Nawaz is too ordinary to lead a complex country like pakistan.
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Is Nawaz Sharif a leader?
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drgulkhan
Posted 8 months ago on 18 Sep 2012 13:50 # -
LHR
We need an extra-ordinary person like Zaradri to lead a complex country .......hence IK is covertly supporting Zartadri to win elections to bring CHANGE
Posted 8 months ago on 18 Sep 2012 13:53 # -
Respect
yes he is
but a corrupt one
Posted 8 months ago on 20 Sep 2012 4:02 # -
drgulkhan
@ lhr
Nawaz Shrarif said Zardari sahib agar aap ki party aap ka saath chor day, par hum nahin chorain ghay....
they are doing nora kushti now
Posted 8 months ago on 20 Sep 2012 14:00 # -
LHR
drgulkhan
It seems like NS has lived upto his promise ....Zardari has really left PPP and NS has effectively taken over PPP votes
and IK has become a covert supporter of Zaradri minus PPP!
Also please care to enlighten us with updates on this promise of IK as well? The thread is awaiting your valuable input
http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/unfortunatelly-khawaja-asif-and-nisar-still-waiting-for-imran-khans-petitionPosted 8 months ago on 20 Sep 2012 15:02 # -
hsiddiqui
Nawaz Sharif is a great leader.....
Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2012 23:18 # -
Pakistani Expat
@ drgulkhan
I don't know what makes you arrogant for naming yourself a Dr. While education brings humbleness in a person, but in your case it is absent.
Nawaz Sharif is a graduate of GC University, the oldest educational institution in Pakistan and alma matter of Dr Allama Iqbal. He did LLB from Punjab University Law College. I hope you will now think before you utter such remarks.
Nawaz Sharif is the only leader in Pakistan who has provided clear leadership on all critical occassions since his return from forced exile by military dictator.
1. He bravely led the Long March on 15th March 2009 which led to the restoration of judiciary at past midnight of 16th March 2009. While PPP and MQM were resisting the restoration, Imran Khan Niazi went into hiding to avoid his arrest at the most critical time of Pakistan.
2. He blocked passage of NRO (attempt to legalize corruption) from the Parliament in December 2009. PML-N is the only party in the parliament that strongly stood against it since its inception. MQM changed its mind later.
3. He opposed the creation of provinces on ethnic grounds when PPP's corrupt PM (and his sons) wanted to create Seraiki province. MQM also supported it, while once again Taliban Khan of PTI was in hiding when the country needed leadership on the issue of creation of provinces. PML-N's principled stance was that creation of any province should only be on administrative grounds and ethnicity should never be fanned.
4. It is Nawaz Sharif and PML-N that opposed allowing Dual Nationals as parliamentarians in Pakistan. No other sovereign country allows Dual Nationals as its parliamentarians but PPP and its ally MQM (the Chairmen of both these parties are in London) tried their best but failed. Once again Niazi was missing in the debates.
5. Only Nawaz Sharif has consistently shown courage in challenging the might of rogue Army Chiefs due to which he had to sacrifice his elected governments in 1993 and in 1999.
6. It is PML-N that demands debate on defence budgets and rationalizing it.
7. Opposition Leader Ch Nisar, being Chariman PAC, insisted on probing NLC mega corruption scam which has led to court martial of 3 Generals (first time in Pakistan).
Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2012 23:39 # -
J.A.Khan
NS as a leader of Pakistan???
Every different country has different culture and different style to be run politically. Even Islamic values in Islamic countries are valued according to the country's culture.
As far NS's capabilities within Indian Subcontinent, Islamic world, third world countries are concerned, he's then a just ok leader. But, when it comes to foreign policies and how to represent his country out of this mentioned circle he is then a hopeless leader. Though Z.A.Bhtto was never my cup of tea, yet I've to admit that he did posses these qualities. Was he not a wadera mentality he could then become the best leader of Pakistan history.
The problem with the leaders such as NS remains the same i.e. they are not well-read people, hence they have to live therefore under the constant inferiority complex and sense of insecurity when it comes to deal with foreign matters, foreign delegations and foreign leaders. Another thing is the mentality matter in case of Pakistan political leadership. In many people's point of view the 99% of our leadership is from corrupt elite mafia class which is known as parasite class as well. Such class is stubborn i.e. not flexible and very dictating and despotic which is no quality for a good political leadership. That's why NS and the other well known/notoriously known political leaders are not fit to run Pakistan. Specially not today's Pakistan. It's a very painful reality of and for Pakistan. As far IK is concerned I personally do not see any quality in him that could help today's and tomorrow's Pakistan at all. Yesterday somebody raised a very valid and serious concern about IK's leadership and said that how can IK make today's Pakistan a better place to live if he could not succeed to manage his own family.
However, I personally don't care somebody's private life, but this is quite serious concern when it comes to how and by who our Pakistan should be run. Just think twice about it before casting your vote for any of them to run your very complicated Pakistan full of problems. It's indeed a very serious matter to be sorted out very seriously. God bless PakistanPosted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2012 13:35 # -
EasyGo
Dear J.A.Khan Sahib,
Your analysis leads to a conclusion that Zardari (the shrewdest politician in your words :)) should be given another term. Please don't mean it so sir, for the sake of democracy, ill performer should be given some due.
Posted 7 months ago on 22 Oct 2012 9:26 # -
ڈر
ایزی گو بھائی
یہ سارے پی پی پی کے مالشی ہیں. حضرت نا خدا ،ای ڈی اور بھیس بدل کر اتے ہیں . لوگوں کو دوکھا دیتے ہیں کبی پاکستان کے خلاف بولنے لگ پڑتے ہیں . کبی پاکستان پورن میں نمبر ایک ہے اور کبی کیا . اور ساتھ میں کہتے ہیں پاکستان سے بہت محبت کرتے ہیں
ہا ہا ہا ہا ہاPosted 7 months ago on 22 Oct 2012 10:18 # -
wsheikh
>> Is Nawaz Sharif a leader?
Is this a joke?
Posted 7 months ago on 22 Oct 2012 11:13 # -
allahbanda
بے شك نواز شریف لیڈر ہی نہیں بہت بڑا لیڈر ہے ۔مخالف اسے تاجر اور صنعتكاروں كا نمائندہ كہتے ہیں اور یہ اس كی خامی بتاتے ہیں مگر میری نظر میں یہ ہی اس كی سب سے بڑی خوبی ہے ۔ اس كی سوچ تھی ملكی مسائل كا حل صنعتی ترقی میں ہے ۔وہ پاكستان كو ایشیا كا ٹائیگر بنانا چاہتا تھا ۔وہ ہر پاكستانی كو صنعتكار بنا دینا چاہتا تھا۔ چائنا، جاپان، كوریا كی مانند جو ساری دنیا میں ایكسپورٹ كرتے ہیں ۔ اور ہم سمجہتے ہیں وہ ایسا كر سكتا ہے ۔
جو لوگ بار بار تباہ ہونے كے باوجود اپنا گھونسلا پہلے سی زیادہ خوبصورت بنا لیتے ہیں وہ عوام كے لئے بھی ایسا كر سكتے ہیںPosted 7 months ago on 22 Oct 2012 13:48 # -
J.A.Khan
EasyGo Bhai
I never meant that.
No sensible person would like to see any of them as PM of Pakistan any more. They all are thieves.Dear Brother, if you really love Pakistan, get yourself ready for a bloody revolution. Dying in defense of your country as a revolutionary is sacred. Believe me, the day I become sure that one hundred thousand Pakistani revolutionaries have sworn on Qur'an that they will be marching next day towards Power Center in Islamabad and will have no reverse gear in use, by God, by God and by God I'll take then the first plane to Islamabad in order to be the first person to become Shaheed if God will so just for the sake of our Pakistan. My Friends, that's the only way to free our Pakistan. No other way. God Bless Pakistan
Posted 7 months ago on 22 Oct 2012 21:42 # -
J.A.Khan
Dear Imtiazahmad Saheb
I read your very carefully selected views regarding NS as a leader.
You're right. Among all others NS is a better one. But not competent enough for the salvation of today's Pakistan.
However,It's good to read what you right, and the way you write. Quite impressive.
Posted 7 months ago on 23 Oct 2012 6:16 # -
EasyGo
@J.A.Khan Sahib
بھائی ویسے تو ہم بھی انقلاب کے ہی خواہشمند ہیں مگر ہماری قوم لسانی، مذہبی، علاقائی اور سب سے بڑھ کر معاشی بنیادوں پر بری طرح تقسیم ہے اور اسکے باوجود پتہ نہیں صابر ہے یا مجبور کہ سب برداشت کرتی چلی جاتی ہے، ان حالات میں یہاں تو لوگوں کا خود بخود اکٹھا ہونا ناممکن لگتا ہے چہ جائکہ کسی خونی انقلاب کے لئے نکلنا
فورم پر سال/دو سال پہلے تک بہت سے اچھے اور جمہوریت پسند دوست تلقین کرتے تھے کہ ڈکٹیٹروں کو تو قوم اتنے سال دے دیتی ہے تو جمہوریت کیوں نہیں برداشت ہوتی، اور یہ کہ جمہوری نظام چلتا رہے تو بہتری آ جاتی ہے، تو ابھی ایسی مایوسی والی بات تو نظر نہیں آتی، ایک حکومت اپنی ٹرم پوری کر رہی ہے جو خوش آئند بات ہے تو اب تو فوکس اگلے الیکشن پر ہونا چاہیے، دس پندرہ سال مسلسل جمہوریت کو بھی ملنے چاہئیں تاکہ اونٹ کی کروٹ کا صحیح اندازہ تو ہو
آپ اور کچھ اور دوست خونی انقلاب کو حل قرار دے رہے ہیں، مگرمیرے خیال میں عوام کے ہمدرد، اہل علم و قلم لوگوں کو اس راہ کی بات کرنی چاہیے جو ممکن اور مثبت ہو
باقی بات اگر اکثر کی طرح فورم پر دل ہلکا کرنے والی ہے تو پھر خیر ہے
Posted 7 months ago on 24 Oct 2012 21:19 # -
J.A.Khan
EasyGo Bhai
I agree with you totally. I know and understand quite well that any revolution in Pakistan seems impossible for the same reasons you have just high lighted. Therefore I suspect another Yugoslavia in Pakistan instead, and in a very near future.
Bhutto was the first one to use this weakness of the peoples of Pakistan before 1971 just to grab the power. And now the time is ripe again for the same attempt in today's Pakistan. And, ironically, again the lovers of Bhutto will be the instigaters for "Udhar Tum, Idhar Ham."Posted 7 months ago on 24 Oct 2012 22:58 # -
Irshad
STILL PAKISTAN NATION NEED MORE DOZE?
Posted 7 months ago on 25 Oct 2012 0:13 # -
Gujjar Talwar
Nawaz Sharif must be a formidable leader because he is trusted by the masses and detested by all sorts of political dwarfs.
Posted 7 months ago on 25 Oct 2012 3:57 # -
Hussain Farooqui
There is no positive criteria for for leadership in Pakistan. Any Tom, **** and Harry can become a leader provided that he possesses the negative capabilities required in the Pakistani politics.
Posted 7 months ago on 25 Oct 2012 12:11 # -
sam45
Nawaz should at least be given 1 proper chance (full term), to be fair! He was on the right track in 1997, but establishment didn’t like it! things get started in 2 years! you need 4-5 years to implement it! and please please no more interference by people like pasha!!
Posted 7 months ago on 25 Oct 2012 13:00 # -
J.A.Khan
People of a poor and bagging nation who live themselves in Palaces and who are notoriously corrupt should never be given any chance to run Pakistan.
Posted 7 months ago on 27 Oct 2012 0:02 # -
Sweettruth
@J.A.Khan
Well, you understand him well, I understand him how corrupt he is and the world knows how incompetent NS is.
When will Pakistani public know these universal truths about NS chor??
Why public do not elect middle class man and woman to represent them instead of these mega rich business man born with silver spoon in his mouth?
Posted 7 months ago on 27 Oct 2012 0:12 # -
coolbema
He might not be great speaker but he is great leader. I believe he is the only politician who can lead Pakistan forward. He should be given full tenure and surely he can deliver positive results for Pakistan. In his two tenures of 10 years he only completed 4.5 years and in those years i can see the developments in Pakistan. Surely he will make Pakistan "ASIAN TIGER"..
Posted 7 months ago on 27 Oct 2012 10:19 # -
J.A.Khan
Sweettruth
To understand thid reality seems now rather imposible. You see, in all these 66 years all they have achieve is that they succeeded to convert this great nation into a big thief nation in order to rule Pakistan as the biggest and the richest thieves of Pakistan. What a wonderful service they have dedicated to Jinnah' Pakistan.Ba......
Posted 7 months ago on 27 Oct 2012 10:31 # -
osakaboy
@coolbema
Don't you think this term of "Asian Tiger" is bit out of date now. Ask your so called "great leader" Its is time to come with some new slogans to fool Pakistani awam AGAIN.Posted 6 months ago on 28 Oct 2012 3:09 # -
EasyGo
Why public do not elect middle class man and woman to represent them instead of these mega rich business man born with silver spoon in his mouth?
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Politics, these days, seems to be a game of powerful/resourceful people. Practically ordinary man have limited opportunities not only in contesting, but also in voting for a lesser evil.
This may also be applicable to developed countries to some extent. We don't see anti war, anti hegemony leaders coming ahead.
Posted 6 months ago on 28 Oct 2012 9:07 # -
eagle_pk
No Ns is not leader. He have no any single quality to be a leader.
If he want to become a leader,than he should take some classes with Ik. He will tell him,how to unite all the people of pakistan and how to reach the people and let the world know that there is some one who cares for his country.
Love for PTI...............Posted 6 months ago on 28 Oct 2012 9:53 # -
views
Nawaz sharif is a leader,
Posted 6 months ago on 28 Oct 2012 13:17 # -
Adonis
A leader is not made by how many votes one gets. Someone may be a great leader and still may not get even ten votes in elections.
A true leader is one who gives a new and original slogan to the nation and does not copy anyone else in this regard. Just like Obama gave the slogan of change in USA in 2004 and later on the great Imran Khan gave the same slogan in Pakistan in 2011. This shows that only the great Imran Khan is a true leader.
Posted 6 months ago on 28 Oct 2012 13:23 # -
Irshad
Khadmain Ravend shareef Miyan Mohammad Nawaz Sharif, no doubt, is sincere and dedicated leader. His love for Pakistan is beyond any doubt. But he alone cannot meet this challenge. He needs sincere, dedicated and capable team to be successful; and it is at this stage he needs to be careful from zardari and Altaf gang.
IK is not more threat but zardari and co will be more danger for NS.Posted 6 months ago on 28 Oct 2012 14:03 # -
eagle_pk
views brother!
Nawaz sharif is not a leader. or he maybe a leader of the slaves of americans.Posted 6 months ago on 28 Oct 2012 16:45 # -
pkpolitician
@Easy Go
@J.A.Khan Sahib
بھائی ویسے تو ہم بھی انقلاب کے ہی خواہشمند ہیں مگر ہماری قوم لسانی، مذہبی، علاقائی اور سب سے بڑھ کر معاشی بنیادوں پر بری طرح تقسیم ہے اور اسکے باوجود پتہ نہیں صابر ہے یا مجبور کہ سب برداشت کرتی چلی جاتی ہے، ان حالات میں یہاں تو لوگوں کا خود بخود اکٹھا ہونا ناممکن لگتا ہے چہ جائکہ کسی خونی انقلاب کے لئے نکلنا
فورم پر سال/دو سال پہلے تک بہت سے اچھے اور جمہوریت پسند دوست تلقین کرتے تھے کہ ڈکٹیٹروں کو تو قوم اتنے سال دے دیتی ہے تو جمہوریت کیوں نہیں برداشت ہوتی، اور یہ کہ جمہوری نظام چلتا رہے تو بہتری آ جاتی ہے، تو ابھی ایسی مایوسی والی بات تو نظر نہیں آتی، ایک حکومت اپنی ٹرم پوری کر رہی ہے جو خوش آئند بات ہے تو اب تو فوکس اگلے الیکشن پر ہونا چاہیے، دس پندرہ سال مسلسل جمہوریت کو بھی ملنے چاہئیں تاکہ اونٹ کی کروٹ کا صحیح اندازہ تو ہو
آپ اور کچھ اور دوست خونی انقلاب کو حل قرار دے رہے ہیں، مگرمیرے خیال میں عوام کے ہمدرد، اہل علم و قلم لوگوں کو اس راہ کی بات کرنی چاہیے جو ممکن اور مثبت ہو
باقی بات اگر اکثر کی طرح فورم پر دل ہلکا کرنے والی ہے تو پھر خیر ہے
بھائی جی بہترین کمنٹ، میں آپ سے سو فیصد متفق ہوں۔
Posted 6 months ago on 29 Oct 2012 14:54 # -
Anwer Kamal
Nawaz Sharif is not a wise leader
سانپ کو دودھ پلانے سے پہلے سوچنا چاہئیے
Posted 6 months ago on 29 Oct 2012 15:03 # -
J.A.Khan
Pk-politician
Also I love democracy. But never the kind of Pakistani one. The kind of democracy you find in Pakistan is simply a joke, a total fraud under the supervision of the biggest notorious thieves and thugs Mafia of Pakistan. If you want to give this kind of democracy one more chance, then I do feel sorry for Pakistan.
Posted 6 months ago on 29 Oct 2012 15:12 # -
EasyGo
Thanks @pkpolitician bhaai,
It looks to me, in simple words, that we like democracy as long as our party or the people who are beneficial for us are in Govt.
Posted 6 months ago on 30 Oct 2012 6:49 # -
drgulkhan
leader dont run away from their country when going gets tough
Posted 6 months ago on 17 Nov 2012 22:26 # -
drgulkhan
One cannot keep sitting in palaces and behind high walls and barbed wires and call himself leader
Posted 6 months ago on 18 Nov 2012 11:29 # -
Adonis
Nawaz Sharif is no leader.
The real leader is the great Imran Khan who instead of hiding in his bathroom, came out on the road on March 16, 2009 along with thousand of people and overturning police barricades started the long march culminating in the restoration of Chief Justice.
Posted 6 months ago on 18 Nov 2012 11:40 # -
raju2933
NS is the only leader.
Posted 6 months ago on 18 Nov 2012 11:55 # -
Javed Sheikh
First define,
1. What is a Leader?
2. How many Leaders, so far emerged in Pakistan?
3. How to acknowledge a Political, Religious, Local, Regional, National and International Leader?
4. What a Leader has to do for a Welfare State or Society?
5. How a Leader loses the status of a Leader?
6. Does an Agenda or philosophy helps to make a Leader?Posted 6 months ago on 18 Nov 2012 12:21 # -
asif65
Nawaz Sharif is no leader.
What are you talking about, Adonis Bahi, NS is the only leader.
Read this!!!میاں نواز شریف نے جمہوریت کہ لیے بڑی قربانیاں دیں اور جدّہ جیسے گرم شہر میں 7 سال انتہائی تکلیف میں اپنی ''باری'' کے انتظار میں گزار ديۓ مگر تمہاری طرح مشرف سے کوئی ''معافی'' نہیں مانگی.
Posted 6 months ago on 18 Nov 2012 14:51 # -
Pakistani Expat
Nawaz Sharif is the only leader who could bridle the mighty generals like Aslam Baig, Hameed Gul, Asif Nawaz Janjua and Jehangir Karamat.
1. It was Nawaz Sharif who could dare retire General Jehangir Karamat as Army Chief. Btw, General Karamat is now doing a job at US think tank in Washington.
2. It was NS who wanted the rogue generals to pull out from Kargill where Pakistan had lost over 4,000 lives for no reason. In July 1999, NS announced to establish a military commission to probe the wrong doers. Was it acceptable to traitor Musharraf?
3. NS is the only politician who has been bitterly opposed by bhagorra/runaway dictator Musharraf. Don't forget Mush and his then ISI Chief Ehtesham Zamir had crafted PML-Q and MMA. Mush is the Traitor by signing NRO deal with PPP.
4. The credit goes to PML-N and its then Chairman PAC (Public Accounts Committee) Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan to expose the massive corruption in NLC by not less than 3 Generals (2 Lt Gen & 1 Maj Gen).
5. PML-N has time & again publically announced that Defence Budget should also be thoroughly debated in the National Assembly since it is public money.
6. Nawaz Sharif gave brave leadership to the country by leading the Long March of 15th March 2009 for restoration of judiciary. Confused Imran Khan Niazi was in hiding to save his skin. When the rally had hardly crossed 100 miles, judiciary was restored at 3am past midnight by then PM Gillani.
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..Let us not forget that on 9th March 2007, when the CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry was being dismissed by dictator General Musharraf, the then DG ISI General Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani was sitting beside him. The same General Kiyani who was made successor by Mush.* General Kiyani is the Guarantor of notorious NRO Deal of 5th October 2007 and his subordinate General Pasha was protector of NRO.
* Bhagorra Mush was planning to come back to Pakistan in mid-2010 since 2year ban for Govt Employee's in politics was ending and the British Govt had regretted to provide him security any further. But Mush knows he is wanted in Akbar Bugti murder case, Benazir Bhutto murder case, Lal Masjid massacre etc. But he could not dare come back and his loyalists were disillusioned.
* General Pasha, being the loyal former subordinate of Mush, gathered Mush's stalwarts under the
banner of his newly invigorated PTI (Pasha Tehrik Infaaq) so that they remain united as a junta.* Pasha taught his protege' Imran Khan Niazi (nephew of General Ameer Abdullah Khan Niazi of East Pakistan surrender) to go soft on PPP and never criticise MQM, the party that had supported Mush(+Kiyani+Pasha) during the carnage of 12th May 2007. IK Niazi has taken a completely U-turn on MQM.
* The sole objective of Pasha Tehrik Intiqam (PTI) is to break away the right votebank and let PPP come to power once again. This dirty dream will never come true InshaaAllah!
* The recent drama of Riaz Thekedar also revealed that he had bribed many generals, media persons (Mubashir Lucman, Hasan Nisar), lawyers (Hamid Khan Niazi) and even he sponsored PTI's jalsa in Rawalpindi. Riaz Thekedar paid the bills of Javed Hashmi (PTI President) stay in 5star hotel of Lahore. He had sworn that he will use his entire wealth to defeat Chaudhry Nisar since Ch Nisar was supporting the windows & orphans whose land had been grabbed by Riaz Thekedar.
* Riaz Thekedar has videos of CJ's son only till General Pasha was in ISI and there is no video or any proof of their meetings in 2012. In the words of Asma Jehangir, "The same people are being Arsalan Iftikhar case who had earlier crafted Tehrik Insaf".
* After Pasha's retirement, PPP's Zahid Bukhari (father of PPP MPA Uzma Bukhari) and Faisal Raza Abdi tried their dirty tricks but failed.
* After the retirement of General Pasha the Pasha Tehrik-e- Intiqam (PTI) is dying it's natural death!!!
* People are joining PML-N in large numbers since they know that Nawaz Sharif is the ONLY anti-establishment leader in Pakistan and make the country Asian Tiger. Even other leaders of Turkey, China and Bihar (India) have praised the good governance of PML-N and Sharif brothers.
Posted 6 months ago on 18 Nov 2012 16:25 # -
J.A.Khan
Pakistani Expat
If some gangsters are fighting for juicy bone, and only one succeeds to **** the bone from others does not qualify him as a leader to run a country of about more than 18m people at all. Specially when they are only 18m people, and not a nation, my friend, Pakistani-Expat.
You know that the heat in Jeddah does not mean anything to anybody lives over there, since everything over there is fully airconditioned, ny friend. :) :) :)
Posted 6 months ago on 18 Nov 2012 16:53 # -
J.A.Khan
Pakistani Expat
Sure you seem to have some good reasons to defend and promote NS. But I think they got some weak points as well. And you those points, of course. So it will not be that easy for them to win hearts and minds of the **** frustrated and disappointed nation. Don't you think so?
Posted 6 months ago on 18 Nov 2012 18:22 # -
justhuman
Nawaz Sharif is a leader as many people are following him. Where will he lead the nation it is a different story...
Posted 6 months ago on 18 Nov 2012 19:57 #
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