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Is saving democracy more important than saving Pakistan?

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  1. Anonymous

    @JJ, then lets wait for non-human made constitution.
    Imam Mehdi kaa zahoor honay wala hai.

    Qarardad-e-maqasid was formulated and presented by religious scholars who were not part of the assembly.

    Qarardad-e-maqasid is pre-amble and fundamental of constitution.

    It is fundamental of the constituion and any ammendment in it can be challenged in SC.

    Posted 5 years ago on 02 Oct 2009 16:32 #
  2. JJ Khan

    bsobaid,

    Let us stay focused and analyzed it technically

    we follow article 1 because majority in parliament decided so, majority is supreme and can change article 1.

    in Islam there is no majority/minority polling- it is haq or batil based on evidence from Qur'an and Sunnah.

    Posted 5 years ago on 02 Oct 2009 16:42 #
  3. Anonymous

    No. This is the fundaemntal of constitution and any changes in it can be appealed in court.

    Changing basic structure of constitution can be appealed in court and this is where judiciary steps in.

    Lets say for arguments sake that this can be changed if parliament passes it with 2/3rd majority and SC also approves it. (which is not possible)

    What is the alternative?
    Where will you get a divine consitution.

    Posted 5 years ago on 02 Oct 2009 17:00 #
  4. zjshami

    Bottom Line.
    A country created through a Democratic Process, by a Democratic Leader, for a Democratic Nation can flourish through Democracy like so many other Democratic Countries in the World.
    Democracy could be translated into a blessing not a threat.
    Sick of Democracy is sick of freedom.

    Posted 5 years ago on 02 Oct 2009 17:10 #
  5. Anonymous

    Please suggest alternative JJ.

    Posted 5 years ago on 02 Oct 2009 17:14 #
  6. shahzad1924

    @bsobaid - "jaoo bachaa.

    iss dafa tou bach gaey, laikin aglee dafa nahi choroo gaa.. "

    what?? start a new thread. im all in for the discussion. and by the way, qarardad-e-maqasid is not from Islam.

    as for the alternative; http://www.hizb-australia.org/hizbut-tahrir/draft-constitution

    @Aziz kakar - alaaa!

    Posted 5 years ago on 02 Oct 2009 17:26 #
  7. shahzad1924

    @zjshami - "A country created through a Democratic Process, by a Democratic Leader, for a Democratic Nation can flourish through Democracy like so many other Democratic Countries in the World."

    yeah but hard luck bro. that isn't Pakistan.

    Posted 5 years ago on 02 Oct 2009 17:28 #
  8. Anonymous

    Shahzad uncle.

    Article 22 seems like a copy paste of Pakistani constitution. Just kidding!

    I have read a bit of the basics and the basis do not seem any different that the current Pakistani constitution except Khalifa's sole discretion to adopt a divine law.

    The elections, the iqtidaar-e-aala, the concept of khalifa being a deputy of god on earth is similar.

    I said in my earlier posts, if it is about labels, then re-label it. Call wazeer-e-azam ameerulmomineen.

    Posted 5 years ago on 02 Oct 2009 17:36 #
  9. netengr

    KhilafaH real meaning is Hizbul Tehreer in power

    Posted 5 years ago on 02 Oct 2009 17:43 #
  10. usman1423

    Article 22

    The ruling system is founded upon four principles. They are:

    1. Sovereignty belongs to the divine law (shar’a) and not to the people;

    2. Authority belongs to the people, i.e., the Ummah;

    3. The appointment of one Khaleefah into office is an obligation upon all Muslims;

    4. Only the Khaleefah has the right to adopt the AHkam Shari’ah and thus he passes the constitution and the various canons.

    i cant understand how it is like the constituation of pakistan. have u realy read it?

    Posted 5 years ago on 02 Oct 2009 17:58 #
  11. zjshami

    For how long Khalifa will stay at his position?
    Two years, Four years, Ten years or life long?
    How Khalifa would be removed from the office?

    Posted 5 years ago on 02 Oct 2009 18:26 #
  12. Anonymous

    It is "crying for moon". May be "crying for moon for ever".

    Posted 5 years ago on 02 Oct 2009 18:39 #
  13. Aimal Khan

    Hizb-ut-Tahrir is worse than Altaf bhai. At least people vote for Altaf bhai's MQM while he is in UK. The Champions of Khilafa, i.e., HT, wants to bring about revolution in the muslim world but they cannot afford to give up their lavish life in the west and move back to their respective homeland like Pakistan, India, Bangladesh etc.

    Posted 5 years ago on 02 Oct 2009 18:41 #
  14. Anonymous

    Yeh dunya aik Drama Stage hai. Tamam loag iss drama kay kirdar hein. Jab tak zindagi baqi hai, drama artist apna kirdar ada kartay raheen ****. Kutchh batour Hero kay, Kutch patour villain kay, baqi batour Extras kay jo jiss thali mein khatay hein, ussi thali mein surakh kartay hein .

    Posted 5 years ago on 02 Oct 2009 18:50 #
  15. Anonymous

    1. Sovereignty belongs to the divine law (shar’a) and not to the people;

    2. Authority belongs to the people, i.e., the Ummah;

    This is not from Pakistani constitution???
    Please read it again and replace sharia with Allah.

    Posted 5 years ago on 02 Oct 2009 19:17 #
  16. JJ Khan

    Regarding question:

    For how long Khalifa will stay at his position?
    Two years, Four years, Ten years or life long?
    How Khalifa would be removed from the office?

    Appointment and Impeachment processes are specified in the constitution. If a ruler is good then why for 4 years? And if a ruler is bad why continue for 4 years?

    Regarding question:

    1. Sovereignty belongs to the divine law (shar’a) and not to the people;

    This is not from Pakistani constitution???

    First I am glad that fellow members tried to understand this model. No authority belonging to people and sharia are two different realities. When people have authority you have something like you have currently. For example in case of authority to sharia if Qur'an orders to forbid/ban interest it will be done so without polling/voting on a bill, while currently a bill can not be made a law because it is order from sharia. People have the authority to make or not make that a law.

    So there is fundamental difference in authority belonging to people and authority belonging to sharia.

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Oct 2009 2:15 #
  17. shahzad1924

    @Aimal khan -

    @bsobaid - i remember dissecting a the secular constitution of Pakistan in one thread. if you want, we can do the discussion again?

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Oct 2009 3:28 #
  18. Aimal Khan

    And I can post tons of links for much larger public rallies of Political parties (including religious parties like JI/JUI/JUP/ST etc) in Pakistan and elsewhere in the muslim world where people believe in democratic process and vote for their leaders (religious or secular).

    Besides, more people were killed, wounded and arrested in the Lawyers movement in Pakistan, which was a secular movement.

    My advise to you sir is that Khilafa is a lost cause whether it was in 1922 or 2009. But good luck trying to implement it.

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Oct 2009 11:25 #
  19. JJ Khan

    But also know that people believe that democracy is part of Islam. They only rally for Islam without knowing that this is a deception.

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Oct 2009 11:36 #
  20. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Aimal Khan: Khilafah is a lost cause? Does that mean, you don't believe in the hadees from Muhammad (SAW), which states that Khilafah will be re-established near the end of the world and it will remain forever, after that ?

    When Mahdi (RahemULLAH-alaih) surfaces, Khilafah system will ALREADY have been established by Muslims, on Muslim land.

    He will be appointed as the next Khalifah in that system.

    Have you forgotten or not read the Hadees in this matter ?

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Oct 2009 17:32 #
  21. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @zjshami: I tell you again and again, to READ about your own people. But far be it from you to READ. You want easy pickings :@

    If you would have READ about;

    - Hazrat Abu Bakar (RA, RAA)

    - Hazrat Umar (RA, RAA)

    - Hazrat Usman (RA, RAA)

    - Hazrat Ali (RA, RAA)

    you would have known the words uttered by Hazrat Abu Bakar (RA, RAA) when he was being appointed Khalifah of Muslims after Muhammad (SAW)'s death.

    He said, 'my interpretation of Hazrat Abu Bakar's (RA, RAA) words';

    'Follow me, until I take you on the path of Quran-o-Hadees. Correct me when I loose the path of Quran-o-Hadees'

    Perhaps you don't believe in the words of Muhammad (SAW), in which he said;

    The best of the eras' against which you should compare EVERY affair is from four eras';

    1) My [ Muhammad (SAW)'s ] era
    2) Sahaaba-e-Karaam's era
    3) TAA-be-EEN's era
    4) Tabe-TAA-be-EEN's era

    But, as I notice from your repeated statements, FAR be it from you to even notice Muhammad (SAW)'s words, much less research on them, READ them, know them, act on them, live them.

    Posted 5 years ago on 03 Oct 2009 17:36 #
  22. sasherwani

    This 'mostly' Jaahil qaum doesnt deserve democracy.

    Cant wait till the army takes over. Laaton kay bhoot baaton say nahin maantay.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 7:56 #
  23. Anonymous

    Yes, 'Laaton kay bhoot baaton say nahin maantay'. Actions in northern areas are typical proof of that.

    Democracy is the gurantee for the uplift of common man in Pakistan.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 8:05 #
  24. shahzad1924

    @Aimal Khan - "And I can post tons of links for much larger public rallies of Political parties (including religious parties like JI/JUI/JUP/ST etc) in Pakistan and elsewhere in the muslim world where people believe in democratic process and vote for their leaders (religious or secular)."

    i didn't know that this was a "my horse is bigger than yours" game.

    @all others - why didn't you guys tell me that there was a new AsifK on the forum :)

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 8:34 #
  25. shahzad1924

    bebus - "Democracy is the gurantee for the uplift of common man in Pakistan."

    dream on!

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 8:35 #
  26. usman1423

    "This 'mostly' Jaahil qaum doesnt deserve democracy."

    Reality is that the most Jaahil Qaums have demecracy.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 8:51 #
  27. Anonymous

    shehzad1924

    Democracy in Pakiatan is a reality and will Insha-Allah flourish. However, Khilafat is a adream, which you see every night.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 9:08 #
  28. JJ Khan

    If one considers believing in Qur'an and Hadith a dream, then he is a fool. More foolish if he says this after calling himself a Muslim.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 9:30 #
  29. shahzad1924

    you are the first person who says that democracy in Pakistan is a reality. so, you think 58-2B is democratic? and Pakistan has true democracy?

    khilafah is not a dream. khilafah is a promise from Allah (SWT). the creator who created you. the creator who, if he wills, lets you breathe your next breath

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 9:30 #
  30. Anonymous

    JJ Khan

    Therefore, all the Muslims belonging to Religious political parties in Pakistan are fools, according to your definition. If they are not fools then they must be munafiq as such.

    Quran and Hadis do not forbid democracy.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 9:57 #
  31. JJ Khan

    No bebus, there is no religious person or party or group that denies this. Proof just one who denies these glad tidings coming from Qur'an and Hadith? So far I have only seen one member here calling it 'dream'.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 9:59 #
  32. Aimal Khan

    We have already seen wonders of the hypocritical system of governence by Ameer-ul-momineen Khaleefa of Pakistan General Zia ul Haq when he voted himself as president by asking the oxymoronic referendum question.

    If you are a muslim then I am the president for the next 5 years. This is like saying, if you eat food or drink water then I am your president.

    We are suffering from suicide attacks due to Zia's empowerment of Mullahs and them feeding political propaganda rather than Qur'an to illiterate muslims. So no thanks to Khilafa.

    PS: Those quoting ahadiths please give references. Also the hadiths about khilafa, are they mutawatir or wahid? What is the authenticity of those ahadees?

    I know of alot of fake ahadith like "acquire knowledge even if you have to go to china" that are quote very commonly but are NOT in any hadith books.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 10:29 #
  33. Anonymous

    The authenticity of Ahadees is the main problem faced by Muslims today. It is rather impossible to say which Ahadees are genuine and which are fabricated, termed now as Zaeef Ahadees. This is due to the fact that Ahadees were brought into written form after a lapse of many long years.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 10:46 #
  34. JJ Khan

    Aimal Khan,

    Right, Zia was a hypocrite who used slogans to win political support and fooled masses. He was just implementing the policy given by and required by his bosses -simple.

    What hadith are you asking for? You are just spraying around ideas without any focus. Tell me what is your understanding of word Khaleefah from the practice of noble ashaab of Rasoolullah saw?

    But then again it would be deflection from original post. Rest assured you will be provided with daleel for any question you ask, but then we must also establish a result or a conclusion on this work. What if a member puts effort to justify an action as hukm of Allah through dalailes, would you just give a look and move on or resort to logical refutations or daleel based refutation or base understand on judgments of classical and uncorrupted scholars?

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 10:50 #
  35. JJ Khan

    Now we have a member who is totally rejecting ahadith by calling them fabricated!

    Another classical discussion already answered by many noble scholars, let us not waste time on these never ending borrowed questions.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 10:54 #
  36. Aimal Khan

    JJ Khan.

    Read the prior discussion replying. I was refering to comments of Shahzad quoting me a Hadees.

    If you are a scholar and an expert of Islam, then please quote the reference(s) to this particular Hadith quoted by shahzad. Without any disrespect for the scholars, I CANNOT take a hadees at its face value just because Mr. XYZ said it on the internet. I am sure you know that there is a science of ahadees and that is how people judge ahadees.

    My question to all the Khilafa supporters is simple. If establishing Khilafa more important than anything then why isn't there a command directly given by Allah SWT in the noble Qur'an.

    Allah commands us to establish Salah, give Zakat, fast in Ramadhan and offer Hajj in several places in the Qur'an. Why not ask muslims to establish Khilafa? If there is a verse I missed then please correct me by quoting the verse.

    Regards...

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 11:21 #
  37. JJ Khan

    Aimal Khan,

    Perhaps i missed your discussion with Shahzad. You may continue with him. No, I am not a scholar and expert on Islam. If these are your conditions for discussion then I stop here.

    But since you are questioning other on being scholar and expert, why not you tell us your explanation on Khaleefah and Khilafah in the light of Rasoolullah and Sahaba RA life? We had Khilafah, what was that model?

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 11:39 #
  38. Aimal Khan

    No conditions from my side. Its a free forum. I believe its very easy to quote a hadith without reference and once the references are asked, one can back down by saying I am not an expert or a scholar. The best defense maybe offense but this is not a game. Its our deen. A matter of life and death.

    Khilafa was established after the demise of prophet SAW to continue the spread of Islam (even by force) to the countries where Rasullah SAW sent letters of dawah. The command of Allah SWT to muslims was to preach Islam and to do dawah to non-muslims. and that is the duty of every muslim, not to establish an empire.

    My question still remains.
    Quote me verses from the Qur'an of authentic hadiths (yes Qur'an and Hadiths not the understanding of scholar XYZ) that it is a duty of the muslims to establish khilafa.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 12:22 #
  39. JJ Khan

    Aimal Khan,

    I like to further understand your position on the Khilafah established after the prophet SAW left sahaba RA. How was judicial, ruling, social, economic, foreign, and educational affairs organized?

    What were the criteria of making legislatures in that model and appointment of Khalifah?

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 13:08 #
  40. Aimal Khan

    In my opinion, comparing the 7th century tribal system of Arabia with 20th century concept of state is unwise and unfair. Yes our Khulafa and Sahaba were very pious people who made judgements based on Qur'an and Sunnah. But you also have to keep in mind that we do not have people like them among ourselves in the 21st century. And those who claim to be like them are hypocrites and dictators like Qazi/Fazal and Zia.

    With all due respect brother JJ, I think you have done (or only allowed to do) a very selective reading of the Islamic History. I seriously suggest you read how all four of our Khulafa-e-Rashideen died and how the next Khaleefa assumed power.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 13:40 #
  41. JJ Khan

    Aimal Khan,

    When you explained "we" I understood you very well. Trust me because I hail from same city as you do. But out of respect I abstained from lashing your around on the ideology and history of that "we".

    Regarding 7th century and 50th century time difference and character difference, my friend listen to me. Will you stop praying because you can not pray at the same level like Sahaba RA and Rasoolullah saw? Or you will try your best to obey the ahkam sharia per your best effort and pray to Allah for perfection?

    Again let us not talk about hypocrites or other personalities because I know personalities and history of "we" too!

    You assume too quick, hold your assumptions and let the discussion conclude logically.

    Principles that you uphold and preach are even older than the time of Rasoolullah SAW (some of them) but you still uphold them? Right? You don't call them to be old or new, but when it comes to Islam you question Allah swt judgement by terming it as out dated.

    You reject Islam from affairs of life so just say so, don't argue for daleels or ahkaam sharia because you don't stand for it.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 14:11 #
  42. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Aimal Khan: Don't blame the car because of one bad driver.

    That would be unwise.

    Unless, you don't accept Islam's way of life?

    Remember what Iqbal said?

    Juda ho deen siyasat se to reh jati hai changezi

    It should speak volumes.

    Also, I want to ask;

    1) how many of the BASIC necessities of a human being has changed between 7th and 20th centuries?

    2) What is the difference between a human of 7th century from one of the 20th century?

    3) What is the reason we abolish Islam's practice in 20th century?

    4) Why is 7th century Islam not practicable today i.e., in 20th century?

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 14:29 #
  43. Aimal Khan

    JJ Khan

    Your assumption about rejecing Islam from "Affairs of Life" is not correct. From "Affairs of STATE", yes, I am a strong advocate of the idea that religion should be separated from it.

    I think this discussion is getting too personal and its better to end it here. I apologize if any of my comments, questions or suggestions hurt you personally.

    Regards ...

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 14:33 #
  44. JJ Khan

    Aimal Khan,

    No problem concluding it here as I think both parties have expressed their position on all ideas.

    Just a last comment on difference between affairs of life vs state.

    State regulates affairs of life on people in a society. So godless state means godless regulations on affairs of life.

    Regards

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 14:39 #
  45. Aimal Khan

    @hariskhan

    Iqbal was an emotionally unstable guy (read about his marriages and issues with women). He did not know what he was saying. He was the poet of Quran and then all of a sudden he becomes a communist when he says

    Jis Khait Se Dehkaan Ko Muyassir Na Ho Rozi
    Uss Khait Ke Har Khosha-e-Gundum Ko Jala Do

    Yes, Communism, the same ideology that Islam fought and "conquered". I don't take the guy seriously and I suggest others to do the same.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 14:40 #
  46. Aimal Khan

    And if today UK and US opened visa/immigration section in Islamabad embassy, most of the muslim in Pakistan would like to live in a "godless" state like US and UK rather than say Afghanistan under Taliban.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 14:45 #
  47. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Aimal Khan: Why don't you cite the ROOT cause behind that as well?

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 14:47 #
  48. JJ Khan

    Aimal Khan,

    Will people move to another country because they reject Islam and love to live in a godless state or because they are suppressed and oppressed in every department of life due to lack of opportunities and rampant corruption and injustice?

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 14:53 #
  49. Aimal Khan

    So (without getting personal) you do agree that godless states like US and UK had more opportunities, less corruption and more justice than a mini-khilafa established by Taliban in Afghanistan?

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 14:58 #
  50. Aimal Khan

    Also please stop making this assumption that because I am against Khilafa, I am rejecting Islam.

    In fact I still hold my position that the establishment of Khilafa (or an Islamic Empire) is NOT a duty of muslim. If it were a duty then Allah SWT would have made it clear in the Qur'an.

    Regards ...

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 15:01 #
  51. JJ Khan

    Aimal Khan,

    Brother, seriously -I don't understand why you lose focus and jump around and spray things around?

    Let me remind you the subject, you talked about Pakistan Muslims wanting to go to UK/US. Now you are comparing US/UK with Afghanistan? WTH..

    Please answer my question first.

    Respectfully-

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 15:03 #
  52. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Aimal Khan: You ignored my question. Brought Afghanistan into it :-)

    Ashamed of facing the truth, huh ?

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 15:06 #
  53. JJ Khan

    Aimal Khan,

    Duty or no duty is an advance topic for now.

    First do you accept the existence of Islamic model for politics practiced by Rasoolullah SAW and Nobel Sahab RA in Madina and that it is the guidance and way of life for Muslims?

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 15:08 #
  54. Aimal Khan

    Read where the discussion about Afghanistan started

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/is-saving-democracy-more-important-than-saving-pakistan/page/4#post-84311

    You had a problem is a with godless state and I compared a godless state with a non-godless state like Taliban controlled Afghanistan and asked the question where would most Pakistanis like to live. US/UK or Afghanistan?

    I have answered all your questions and addressed all your points. My questions is

    Why haven't you answered any of my questions that were about?

    1. Verses from the Quran of Authentic Ahadess about Khilafa.
    2. The death of all 4 Khulafa-e-Rashideen and What was Islamic about how each of the khulafa assumed power?
    3. One of the Khulafa-e-Rashideen Ali RA fought a war against the army of Umul-Momineen Aisha Siddiqa RA. What was Islamic about that war and are muslims obliged to fight such wars as well?

    These questions are not to insult you personally but to question your arguments and logic so please don't get angry or personal again.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 15:21 #
  55. Anonymous

    It looks like two-pronged attack on Aimal Khan.
    I support views of Aimal Khan.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 15:22 #
  56. zjshami

    The Governance of the Holy Prophet PBUH and Khulfa i Rashideen at the State of Madina, should not be debated due to emotional and sentimental affiliation.

    That System, how perfect it might be, cannot be cloned, copied, implemented, enforced and established under the existing circumstances of a complex and completely changed human society.
    End of the debate.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 15:23 #
  57. JJ Khan

    Aimal Khan,

    Don't worry, I wont get angry or personal. I don't understand why are you seeking question on khilafa? What fact do you want to establish here?

    Secondly you owned ANP, you accused Iqbal of being communist. Do you even know ANP's manifesto and history?

    You reject Islam from affairs of life but are asking question on how Rasoolullah SAW and His Noble companions governed Khilafah in Medina.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 15:25 #
  58. JJ Khan

    zjshami,

    Care to share your examples to elaborate what is complex and changed human?

    Also tell us which principle of Islam is out dated per your claim above?

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 15:27 #
  59. Aimal Khan

    1. Unlike Iqbal, ANP did not preach Qur'an and then jump to communism. They were left wing in the 20s and they are left wing now. Thats called consistency.

    2. When will you answer my questions?

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 15:35 #
  60. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Aimal Khan: ALLAH ALMIGHTY didn't publish the news of giving Jannah to Khulafa-e-Rashideen in this world, without reason :-)

    ANY words against Khulafa-e-Rashideen shows me the credibility, the reality of the person talking against them. Why?

    Because ALLAH ALMIGHTY KEEPS them in HIGH REGARD. I don't care what the rest of the world thinks about them. I give HIGH REGARD to those who ALLAH ALMIGHTY respects.

    I'll stop here. Its no use to continue. I see more interest in laying blame, than curiosity of finding out the truth, REALITY.

    Posted 5 years ago on 04 Oct 2009 15:37 #

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