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Is the EU and UK under Siege?

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  1. Since the Second World War, when European politics were really polarized, the spectrum of control ran from Moscow. Then the US political spectrum stretched to Europe where their control was established through either left oriented or western supporters who were then favored as liberals by the US. This is rather ironic as there is no socialism or even democracy in the capitalist America. American politics in the twentieth century takes an imperialistic role in the world for the sake of multinational and defense industries, they capture the power of EU politician in the name of Democracy and Human rights while keeping all the moral values and political freedom of the EU under control of US administration. This means the EU, including UK, is under siege where a form of colonization is taking place; as a result they have no voice of their own and are bound to obey the US.

    American politics have degenerated into a polarized stalemate, with the sole idea to work for the Multi National Corporation and Defense industries related elite, they have strong voice in the US administration, controlling policy decision, and finance and intelligence activities in and around the Eu and UK. Obama can not be daring to refuse them for their undemocratic inhuman ideal to keep the atmosphere of war and hate in the world.

    Obama is a tool in their hands so he can not work for real peace in the world, instead create the atmosphere of hate and destruction in the region of their interest, here when I speak about the region of their interest mean countries depending solely on us help and funded and for the security of their country, are either captured or politically disabled in order to exploit the natural resources of that country or gaining political influence in the particular region such as Afghanistan or Iraq and even helping the occupation of Palestine by Israel.

    US is clever enough to use the UN as a tool in his hand with the help of allied nations (Under influence of US).UN system is failed to protect or help the weak and poor nation, instead ignore the attack and occupation of such countries in the world by US in the name of democracy, human rights or terrorism etc.where as UN is helping to legalize the occupations and provide help and finance to the occupiers.

    EU is getting bigger but the collectivity we are observing is more stratified and differentiated. The inherited problems like the credit crisis and debt crisis has painfully been revealing EU / UK in the form of rising un-employment, reducing standard of living, poor health care and verse immigration problems, discrinination etc, due to adopting unified failed fiscal system of US.

    The EU is larger, more differentiated and less an economic unit than anyone can except because US is creating social, economical , financial and ethnic problems to keep the EU involved in the internal struggle instead, looking around, without US influence and developing its own moral and political strength in the world as an independent entities.

    EU / UK is forced to ignore the slaughter of volunteers, of freedom flotilla aid ship going to break the long siege of Gaza, Historically EU strongly believing in democratic and human values in the world but can not punish the wrongdoers Israel, why? Because their moral values and political decision making (freedom) is under siege too by US.

    For the prosperous future and continued to be welfare state EU and Uk must get rid off US hegemony and be prepared to play daring role for the real peace in the world and help to establishing democracy and human rights in the world while paving the way for the protection and incensing long term socio-political and economical interest of the region.

    http://www.idp.org.pk

    Ilyas khan Baloch
    Organizer
    Islamic Democratic Party

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 12:52 #
  2. Very interesting piece. I don't necessarily agree with much of it, but that's not why I'm commenting. The main thing clearly forgotten above is that both US and Europe have a master more powerful than themselves dictating their every move. They, too, in a sense, are victims. This particular master, thankfully, we in Pakistan, for the time being, know only indirectly.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 13:08 #
  3. Let me guess the master is Jews?

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 13:12 #
  4. @Ilyas Khan Baluch
    Welcome back. A nicely written article exposing US hegemony as viewed from a unique angle. Appreciated and thanks for sharing with us.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 15:02 #
  5. True, lota, true. But we just call it the J word and use it sparingly. What is your take on the People Elect, do you see it differently? Or do you see it more like the author of the topic, a simple US domination over Europe (and the rest of the world, we may also add)?

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 15:02 #
  6. zia m
    Member

    I agree.The real culprits are mulinationals, they have no religion, ethnicity or nationality.They have turned democracy into corporatocracy.They have the full support of Republicans(mostly right wingers).
    The libertarians and the seculars need our help to counter this threat to the world community.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 15:22 #
  7. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    What is the purpose to this article ?

    USA's 'sheh-rag' (in urdu) as Allama Iqbal said, is in the hands of Zionists/Unjust Jews.

    Zionists/Unjust Jews control USA through a Zionists/Unjust Jews lobbies in USA, while sitting in Europe. USA owes a lot of debt (over $1.5 quadrillion) to these Europe based Zionists/Unjust Jews bankers.

    Anyone remember the families/names;

    (1) Rothschilds
    (2) Rockefellers

    ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 15:39 #
  8. gv
    Member

    @haris

    fyi - Rockefellers are North American East Coast Protestants

    hk's facts are wrong again (now why is that not a surprise?)

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 15:45 #
  9. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @gv: For the record, tell everyone;

    (1) did banking spread from USA -> Europe or from Europe -> USA ?

    (2) did Zionists always exist in USA or did they come to USA from Europe ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 15:48 #
  10. Origins of Rockefellers? Lets have some more facts:

    The name is an Americanized version of the German Rokkenfelder or Rockenfeller, meaning from Rockenfeld. This indicates the latter origins of the family, which can be traced back to the villages of Ehlscheid, Segendorf and Fahr, (all suburbanised to Neuwied). These are neighbored to the small settlement of Rockenfeld - part of Neuwied's quarter Feldkirchen. In Germany, the version Rockenfeller is known as a family name.

    However, it is sometimes stated that the Rockefeller surname originated from the Roquefeuille, from the region of Limousin, France. If true, that may explain why they were located in the Midwest, where most of the French immigrants settled. This New France, which consisted of 15 states north of Louisiana, was home to more than 150,000 Frenchmen and women in 1803 when Louisiana was sold to the USA. In France, the version Roquefeuille is also known as a family name. Back in the 16th century, French nobles were Protestant and fled the absolutist Catholic regime to go to Germany. They dispersed throughout the German kingdoms and Switzerland. This is generally the favored version of historians to explain the ultimate roots of the Rockefeller name. The name may also come from the "Roquefeuil", a Catholic family from the region of Languedoc (France).

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 15:52 #
  11. Here enough Literature/history is available about Rockefellers and their origin:
    http://www.acsa2000.net/rockefeller_family.htm

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 16:01 #
  12. zia m
    Member

    I don't know how far back we want to go to condemn the Hebrews.Almost all the prophets were Jews including Jesus.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 16:04 #
  13. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @zia m: Why are you throwing in an irrelevant comment, in this discussion, at this point in time ? Why ?!

    Should I take this to be 'intentional' on your part for defocusing this discussion from its original topic ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 16:06 #
  14. American hegemony in EU and UK seems true. I do agree with Mr.Ilyas. However hard EU tries to get rid of the American strangle hold but cannot. The Americans appear to have an upper hand.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 16:10 #
  15. zia m
    Member

    America has more multi-nationals than any other country.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 16:16 #
  16. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Is it really Americans or the Zionists/Unjust Jews behind them who have hegemony over EU, UK, etc etc ?

    @zia m: What's your point ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 16:21 #
  17. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Common guys. Why is everyone quiet ? Are you out of logical arguments ?

    ..or do you people have logical reservations about my talk having application of misplaced 'fervor' ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 22:39 #
  18. Ok, HK, to answer your question at 16:21, it's the Jews. I really can't bring myself to call them the way you do. They are J's for me. If they are that rare thing Just, I'll recognise it soon enough and honour them accordingly, But otherwise... Also, one correction. It is not only US they rule over, they rule over the entire west, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Europe. One can go even further and say their rule extends to certain Arab countries as well. But we'll stop right there.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 22:50 #
  19. shimatoree
    Member

    To EU- I would recommend the ZAB priciple-

    " We will eat grass but we shall built the bomb "

    Now the question really is are the Europeans willing to eat GRASS ?
    Forget the Europeans, even the Pakistanis are not willing to eat grass to-day.
    If they had to built the bomb to-day- they would not- instead they would beg the IMF and WB and if you have any doubts- just look what Musharraf did in 2001 and what Nawaz Shareef did during the Kargil episode.
    You see for about 200 years the Europeans robbed and stole from their colonies.
    Well they cannot do that anymore and they like the lifestyle of eating beef stake and Escargote etc.
    On top of that they had 2 world wars.
    So do not expect anything from them just like do not expect anything from Zardari or Nawaz Shareef.
    Can anyone stand upto the West( USA) ? Yes but are you willing to eat grass ?

    I would recommend everyone study the life of Comte de Mirabeau from the first half of French Revolution.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jun 2010 23:03 #
  20. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @shimatoree: Who says Pakistanis' are not ready to eat grass ? This current new generation of Pakistanis' is not only able and willing, they are gearing up for it.

    I'm a Pakistani. I am ready to eat grass. JI's people have been proposing this to people of Pakistan for decades. In-fact most (if not ALL) religious groups would happily do it.

    Its the so called 'educated' people within our ranks, especially those who subscribe to secularism, opportunists, criminals, as well as minorities. They are the ones who don't want to eat grass. They'v 'built' a sort of reputation for themselves. The impression I get from them is, they'd rather die than to give up on that 'reputation'. These people don't want to eat grass.

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    I'v seen some videos on French Revolution at youtube channel khanacademy. They don't talk about life of Comte de Mirabeau .. I think.

    Posted 1 year ago on 25 Jun 2010 9:10 #
  21. gv
    Member

    @HK

    @gv: For the record, tell everyone;

    (1) did banking spread from USA -> Europe or from Europe -> USA ?

    (2) did Zionists always exist in USA or did they come to USA from Europe ?

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    Haris, Haris, Haris,

    What are we to do with you? how many times do you have to be told that banking has always existed from the very early dawn of time. Yes you are correct to the extent that when the europeans colonised North America they took their form of banking with them.

    (p.s. North America was colonised by the Europeans from the late 1500's onwards)

    as far as big bad spectre of zionism is concern - i will bow to your clearly superior wisdom on the subject.

    cheerio!

    p.s would love to hear your thoughts on my SAARC post :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 25 Jun 2010 11:01 #

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