is there anyone to raise the voice ?

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Beenai
Moderator

brutal reactions of multinationals , Banks , media houses and private companies has been witnessed and observed recently .

though, recession receding in other countries .
Pakistan was the last one to get hit by this .
we are still facing the consequences badly .
many Multinationals , Banks , media houses and private institutes has fired hundreds of their employees with humiliation without any notice ....

What Happened in Mobilink head office ?

Mobilink Islamabad head office , the so called biggest telecommunication company in Pakistan .
has fired a whole lot of people ...
but see how ?
they were all MBA s and qualified Financial or technical or marketing people .
they went for the Friday prayers ...
when they came back .
they were made enable to swipe their employee cards to enter back into their office premises.
only some people 's cards were working .
security guard told them .
those who's cards are not getting swiped .
are no more employees .
they are not even allowed to enter into the premises now .
as they will be considered 'out siders' from now on .
they should go home .
their dues cheques and their belongings in office will be sent to their homes by TCS .

What Happened in Standard Chartered Bank head office Karachi?

the so called British bank , SCB , has called senior people , who has been experienced with 10 to 20 years with the same bank ...
HR asked them that they are fired from now on .
as their degrees of MBA has not been verified ...
they all got shocked .
and said they should inform them before , so they can prove that their degrees are valid .
HR told them ;just sign on the already drafted resignation letter , otherwise , they will get a ready termination letter ...
poor souls signed on the resignations as termination letters put a bad mark on their career .

What Happened in GEO ?
Geo channel has hired hundreds of people without any thinking or planning .
now they have been hit by recession .
and has fired 400 people without issuing any show cause notice ....

what happened in Hinopak Motors Karachi?

Hinopak is a branch of multinational company Hino Japan.
they manufacture Buses and Trucks .
Green Buses we see in Karachi , has been made by them .
they have just hired 600 people from their office .
even their CEO has been asked to resign .

i came to know these things .
as SCB and Hinopak are my clients .
i make ads for them .
in Geo and Mobilink i have friends of friends .

as long as media coverage of this cruel acts are concerned .

its not gonna happened.....

as all news channels and news papers are making money out of getting ads from these Banks , Multinationals and telecommunication companies ...
they wont make them unhappy ....

is there any one , who can raise his /her voice against this HR Brutality ?
no HR rules has been followed to fire them .

where is media ?
where is azad adliya ?
as millions of families has lost the job of their breed earner .....

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 6:58 #
nota
Member

@Beenai
"brutal reactions of multinationals , Banks , media houses and private companies has been witnessed and observed recently"

Recently? Stating that shows one is clueless about multinationals. That the way they always work. But don't worry, their marketing/PR folks will put a good spin on it. Remember no one is ever fired; what is happening is "company resource restructuring aimed at improving customer services". You talk of the brutality of HR.

"no HR rules has been followed to fire them"
But isn't that the HR people earning their pay? Look at any corporation in any country and you will see them acting exactly the same way. Dear, they ARE following the rules. It's just that you did not read the fine print.

as long as media coverage of this cruel acts are concerned .
its not gonna happened....
Well, that means their PR Department is doing a 'good' job and working efficiently.

"i make ads for them ."
Now you should know what I was talking about back then when I got you upset ;-)

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 7:27 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

You don't need or want anyone to help you. That is how it is.

When JI / MMA, religious groups or other good people from our society come to streets to protest, come to help common man, they are labeled with the 'tag' that are doing it for 'political' 'gain'.

When good people are maligned in society for helping the common man, why would they 'continue' to help the common man ?

The common man has done it to themselves. They have 'allowed' such people to live among them who 'label' others with bad names for doing good work, who spread whispers among them against others who help others.

As a result, the fate of the common man through his own choices, his own actions, is that he is left alone, without help, to be treated in the worst of ways by the 'vicious animals' like human beings who they put their 'trust' in, and did so repeatedly.

Why complain when you the common man of this nation is doing it to yourself through your own choices, your own actions ?

Why ?

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 7:27 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@nota: Agreed.

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 7:30 #
Beenai
Moderator

@nota ,
yah , i know , it has been happening ....
but now ,it has became too much in recent days .
i came across many , who has been victimized by this or they have stories of their friends , colleagues and relatives who has been victimized by HR .

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 7:33 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Hariskhan ,
ask Jamait e Islami to have a protest against this brutal act .
i assure u , if they will be able to do so , all of the victims of HR and their families and their sympathizers will storm the roads of Islamabad .

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 7:35 #
nota
Member

@hk
Having worked in a few major corporations in the U.S., I have seen it first hand (and in fact quit a couple of jobs in protest). There it was much more 'brutal'. This is the way it was almost always done:

An employee (no matter how senior) got called by his manager to his office. The manager would hand him his pink-slip, ask him to hand in his access/ID-card, and ask him to collect his personal things and leave immediately. As soon as the shocked employee would step out of the office, he found at least two security guys waiting for him who would take him to his desk, hand him a cardboard box, wait for him to put in his stuff and escort him outside, not allowing him to talk to anyone.

Another way was that people used to get their pink-slips in their paycheck envelopes. So used to see every one real nervous on payday and would open their paycheck envelopes nervously. You would see them taking a big sigh of relief if only thing in the envelope was their paycheck. This drama was repeated every two weeks. good way to keep the employees scared all the time.

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 7:45 #
sultanalikhan
Member

@hariskhan.......your reputation, or should i say notoriety, has reached such a level in my mind that when you support even a right cause I start having doubts about the issue.......lolllzzz

@Beenai...despite your melodramatic style of pointing at a very harsh reality, it is called downsizing in corporate world.....however painful it may appear/sound because of human element in it, the business sense warrants it necessary....

If govt was not busy in saving its ill-gotten money and bunch of goons in its fold there would have been lots of jobs creation for people....but then again this topic will lead to an unending debate which already is hotly debated in other threads....damnned the govt and its indifference!!!

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 7:47 #
Beenai
Moderator

@sultanalikhan,
it was not melodramatic ...it was hard core reality shock.
millions of homes has lost their income resource all of a sudden and this was not on .
its inhuman .
is Human Resource Department meant to be in human in its actions ?
are there no rules to follow while firing an employee ?
what about notice periods , show cause notices and warnings ?
to make him alert about his job and making some back up arrangements in hand ...??????????

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 7:52 #
nota
Member

@beenai
"is Human Resource Department meant to be in human in its actions ?"

Well that begs the question "Are corporations 'human'"? Of course the law says they are "persons". Hence any act their HR department does is indeed 'human', legally speaking :)

Watch the documentary 'The Corporation' if you haven't done so...(link is to the full documentary. Below is a trailer)

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 8:06 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Capitalism is the best financial system people of this world have been able to devise through using the best minds, the best resources on this planet, in centuries of man-made solutions.

Islam improves on 'capitalism' through a few tweaks, which is the solution from ALLAH ALMIGHTY.

As a result, the solution becomes perfect. When capitalism will fail, and all of mankind will be in peril, and they will learn of Islam's tweaks, they will automatically themselves run towards Islam.

Its just a matter of time. ALL people on this planet are moving in the direction of Khilafat.

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 8:08 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@SultanAliKhan: 'Rationalizing' 'inhuman' behaviour/treatment ?

IS this the level human beings have fallen to ? *sigh*

I expected better from you, a 'human being'.

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 8:09 #
sultanalikhan
Member

@Beenai...you are being naive when talking about laws & rules in a country where plunder reigns supreme, where looters are assigned to the high posts based on their criminal gains, where rulers don't flinch while lying through their teeth, where tenders are awarded not on merit but bulk of bribe so on and so forth....

Be grateful if they have not taxed you for breathing the polluted air......

Dont take me wrong, i have all the sympathy in the world for the affected families, i was simply saying the reality is very harsh and its doing utterly painful....

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 8:14 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@SultanAliKhan: Be grateful that 'tyrany' stopped on that level of brutality ? Is that your message ? Are you scared of them ? Do you bow down to 'tyrants', to 'tyranny' or do you stand up to it ?

I wish someone should kill this messenger of tyrants.

I'll retract or maintain this statement based on your answer to my questions.

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 8:16 #
sultanalikhan
Member

@hariskhan......man i have never witnessed funnier guy than you.....you bring smiles to my face....lolllzzzz

sorry if i disppointed you for not being able to raise myself up to your level of EXPECTATION.....lolzzzz.....but hey I do wonder; what made you to EXPECT anything from me?

I am rolling my eyes sarcastically, if you know what I mean........lollzzz....

Finally, a sigh of relief that there is a whole wide world of cyberspace between you and me, thanks heaven for that!!!!!

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 8:20 #
Beenai
Moderator

@nota ,
thanks for sharing the link .
i haven't got a chance to watch it before .
a good docu indeed .

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 8:28 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@SultanAliKhan: If you hate me for standing up to 'tyranny' then I am gratified.

I will always! endeavor to stand up to it, with ALL the strength that I have. This may be something you can't do, you don't want to do. You may be one who gives in to fear. I don't.

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 8:36 #
sultanalikhan
Member

HAHAHAHAHAHA @hariskhan......man you are my role model......and i am a bloody bad liar.....lollllzzz

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 8:48 #
Beenai
Moderator

@sulatnaliakhan and hariskhan,
please avoid getting personal to each other .
keep the seriousness of the topic in mind .
lets focus on the serious topic .

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 8:48 #
choosy
Member

logo ko berozgaar karna yahan sub se aasan hay .
aur zaleel karna uss se bhi zaida aasan hay .

in subko jo nikalay gaye hain , as Beenai told ;from Mobilink , SCB ,GeO ECT they should make a joint campaign and go to CJ Iftikhar with their plea .

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 9:14 #
sultanalikhan
Member

@Choosy.....no company wants to curtail its manpower unless it is absolutely necessary, more employees mean more production and more profit.....but it is not business-wise to keep large number of employees where there is less production.....if companies don't reduce manpower and continue sustaining heavy losses then it will cause eventual closure of such companies/organizations....

so what would you support:

1. Reduce partial manpower now and save some jobs, or

2. Continue with current employees come what may and run the business into bankruptcy where all employees will lose their jobs??

If you look at the failures of Steel Mills, PIA, Pak Railways, Shipping corporation etc you will understand better as to what I meant....

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 13:39 #
choosy
Member

@Sultan bhai ,
aapki baat aik lihaaz se sahi hay .
magar iss waqat jo lakhon log aur unkay ghar walay yani dependents , shock mein agaye hain .
financial crisis mein aa agye hain .unka kiya hoga ?

humary haan be roz gaari allownce tou milta nahi.
wohh karein gaye kiya ?

waisay bhi i am not getting angry on down sizing .
i was getting angry on humiliation .
the way Beenai told that they got fired .
its too rude .

waiay bhai ,
aik aap baat bateien ...
kiya aap ...kisi company kay HR Manager hain?
agar nahi tou HR walon ko defend na karein.
un se sub chirrtay hain.
:):):)
aur jo unko defend karay ;uss se bhi chirr jatay hain.

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 13:54 #
toamin
member

Beenai

yes, this is actually 'standard operating procedure' in large companies-

it is to secure the data/info/infrastructure/etc because if you fire a person, of course he/she would not be happy, so HR makes sure to restrict his/her access to company facilities-

surprise is the key, it is to mitigate the potential damage :)

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 14:04 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Sultan ali khan,
down sizing is one thing .
which can have its pros too ...
but my point is .
when you make millions of houses and families income less .
you may be saving your company but not your country .
as your country is going to have more number of docoaits , smugglers, suicide bombers , pick pocketers , beggars and
red light area workers .

in that sense , we are saving a company to get bankrupt , at the cost of the whole society getting bankrupt.

its the point ...
where financial rules clashes badly with sociology rules .

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 14:07 #
toamin
member

look beenai

these are businesses, not charity organizations, if they don't make money then they have to cut expenses-

do you expect the owner to pay out of his pocket?
no one is doing any favor to other, it is all business & value that they bring to each other- CAPITALISM :)

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 14:10 #
choosy
Member

kiya aik society kuch nahi kar sakti is mamalya mein ?
aur kiya hum businessman kay hathon mein ghulam hain?
kiya koi kisi ka rizq (naouzo BIllah ) band kar sakta hay ?

in jobless logo ki zamy dari kon lay ga ?
hukumat ?
society ?
or as Beenai rightly mention ...
the
under world will take the responsibility to give them money and make them useful for under world .

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 14:15 #
choosy
Member

subko businessman pe kion piyar aa raha hay ?
berozgaar se hamdardi kion nahi ho rahi ?
ghussa aa gaya mujhay.......:(

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 14:16 #
toamin
member

hazoor.. aap to isko zati masla bana rahay hain.. agar karobar thup ho gaya to malik kaha say salary dey..

govt is responsible for general welfare of the citizens, they have to device policies to keep the economy going, create new opportunities.

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 14:20 #
1lhr
Member

@beenai
this is an eye opener.....but i am sure you understand that when one gets the POWER it gets to one's head be it a multinational corporation or a small web designer or an administration person within a web designing company......

with POWER in their hands they think it is their right to remove anything and anybody from their terroritory whenever and whatever way they like without having to give a notice or explanation. Blocking their security passes is one way as you stated in your post.

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 14:20 #
Beenai
Moderator

@1lahr,
it has got nothing to do with Power .
as the moderators are working here voluntarily and with their own passion ...
so there is no point in using or misusing powers .
no2 .mods are not all alone doing so and taking actions .
admin is there to check them and see what they are doing .
as long as your threads are concerned .
if they have been deleted or get closed .
there must be a reason behind it .
maybe the thing , you were trying to discuss was not apt.
as long as Imran Khan is concerned .
u can see a lot of negative remarks against him on this blog .....
so there are no personal favorites .
as long as i am concenred .
i hate them all equally .
so no point in favoring any one out of some .

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 14:28 #
1lhr
Member

@Beenai
I am sure the execs of all those multinationals that you have highlighted will provide similar appropriate reasoning!!

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 14:32 #
choosy
Member

@Salam bhai ,
mein personal nahi ho raha .
magar aap tou saray saray points aik businessman kay haq mein la rahay hain .
kiya aik businessman jeenay ka haq rakhta hay aur usskay employees kaiary makoray hain ?
kay jab chaha , masal diya ?

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 14:34 #
toamin
member

array choosy bhai

keeray maqoray nahi, 'valuable resources' hain... aur jub valuable nahi rehtay to phir nical dia jatay hain...

yeha yeh nahi dekha jata kay aap kitni mehnat kar rahay ho.. yeh dekha jata hay kay aap say karobar ko kitna faida pohonch raha hay.. ho sakta hay aap bohat mehnat kartay ho laikin karobar ko koyee faida na pohonchta ho..

rahi baat resource ko 'fire' karnay kee to... based on experience i would do the same to protect my data/facilities :)

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 14:45 #
choosy
Member

acha , yani aap bhi zalimana had tak practical hain.
khooooob.:(

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 14:46 #
toamin
member

zalimana nahi hay hazoor... zalimana to tub huwa agar HR policy agreement violate huwa ho... agar salary na mili ho etc etc

agar access restrict kia gaya hay to yeh zulm nahi hay 'risk mitigation' hay :)

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 14:52 #
dell
Blocked

Corporations can hire and fire people as they wish, it's their prerogative. People in Pakistan need to familiarize themselve with the corporate culture. You have to realize corporations are a pure business and if they need you they will keep you if they don't they will fire you, happens all the here in the west.

Posted 1 year ago on 27 Oct 2010 16:31 #
Beenai
Moderator

i am all fine with the corporate culture and corporate needs but i wanna just make a point here that we should be human enough to say Good Bye to an employee if he is no more needed .rather humiliating him .
no2. first u have to warn him or issue a show cause notice before u get him out .

nor of the procedures has been followed in the examples given above in my initial post.

we , never fire even our maid ...who has been doing bad or using a bad lingu , without first warning her.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Oct 2010 5:35 #
toamin
member

beenai

sure, everything should be done properly and without hurting anyone.

but it is not necessary that an employee gets fired because he made a mistake or did something bad, he/she may get fired because business is going down.

show cause notice would be in case employee did something wrong and should get chance to present his explanation, business wouldn't fire someone who is productive like that because it hurts business

okay, i agree, manager should be courteous enough to allow nice exit for employees, sudden denial of access to office is bad practice-

even in the west, first manager breaks the news to the employee and after informing him/her security guy would escort him/her to desk and then to the door, nicely & professionally with a smile on face :)

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Oct 2010 10:05 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Salam ,
thanks for agreement .
HR rules should have some humanity , and that's all i wanna say .

secondly , Govt should have some rules to be followed by HR departments of all corporations.... private , semi private and public sector all should follow them .

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Oct 2010 10:12 #
toamin
member

beenai... sorry... got to add one case!

i think that it is not possible to practice 'courteous exit' at mass scale, i mean if company fires 20 people at once or closes a branch because business is sinking than it would be better to deny access and then explain later to each one, or else the whole group would get together to hurt :)

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Oct 2010 10:15 #
choosy
Member

@Salam Bhai ,
yani kay aap sahi samjhatay hain Zulm ko.
uffffffffffffffffff.
mein aap ko aisa nahi samjhta tha .

Zulmat ko Zia Kiya Kehna
Sar Sar ko Saba Kiya Kehna

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Oct 2010 10:24 #
toamin
member

choosy bhai aap nay to habib jalib kee yaad dela dee..

pesh-e-khidmat hay:

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Oct 2010 10:26 #
ideas2010
Member

@hariskhan

i am agree that MMA really serve by heart and soul and i am witness of that because once time i went to get attested my degree from higher education department sindh secretariate and there was one mullah section officer. i think that was musharaf time arround april.22.2005. MashaAllah when i went there i found most of the people standing therr on queue with discipline and i found one peon serving water and chiars by the order of section officer.and no one found inferior that some one son of landlord or farmer no all in same row with discipline.
when i was leaving from there after finishing my work section officer told please fill the form if any one harm you in my office he will take certian action but i said i am satisfied with the services you have provided and granted us rspect which is honor for us..

i know MQM ....once time some one cheated my friend arrround 2 lecs when he went to file a complain one of MQM MPA in his office,he was told you concern with unit incharge when he went to him he said we can return you this money but 50/50 otherwise we will not handle your case...he agreed when time come for 50/50 they told him.forget this money because cheater found MQM supporter.he paid to them 1 lecs to forget this matter.and my friend not only forgot money but also he was threatened.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Oct 2010 10:29 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

We are left behind the other countries like Bangladesh and Srilanka. If the same degree of fiasco continues, then we may be left behind many under-developed countries of Africa.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Oct 2010 10:31 #
Beenai
Moderator

very true ,
corporations are aiming for an increase in number of docoaits , theifs , suicide bombers , beggars and sex workers ...
at least by doing this horrible down sizing .

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Oct 2010 10:40 #
toamin
member

you mean if i get layed off then i would become one of the above?

you are really scaring me :)

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Oct 2010 15:21 #
barackosama
Member

After I was handed out the pink slip couple of times and escorted out the door at 9:00 AM, I decided to work for the govt.

Now it's like marriage.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Oct 2010 15:38 #
sultanalikhan
Member

@Beenai......how can you blame big corporations and companies of the responsibility that is supposed to be of the sitting govt?

To create jobs and provide business opportunities are the responsibilities of the Govt...Govt sets up business environment where Corporations invest and job creation becomes a side product, and the whole wheel (of working environment, employment opportunities, profitability, tax collection etc) gets into motion......also, when businesses are in operations govt is supposed to be playing a regulatory authority in order to protect public interests......

Like i said before, i have all the sympathy in the world for those who lost their jobs, but at the same time I am suggesting that our lashing out at those companies alone is misplaced.....mind you those are business enterprises and not charity organizations, we should keep that in mind while making our analysis!!!!

@Choosy.....my point and support to the Companies action is based on the assumption that if the Companies keep all workers they will very likely be ruining the whole business where all employees will lose their job and Companies will be closed. Hence it is better to go for lesser evil where they have to let go off some and keep the majority of workers...........

Of course I do not support the humiliating way (if what is reported is corect) the companies had fired their staff by...I am sure there are many other decent ways...or to use a bad proverb to say "there are more ways to skin a cat"

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Oct 2010 15:45 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Sultanalikhan ,
no , i was not holding corporations responsible for getting them all alternates of income .
its not ,for sure ,corporations responsibility .
what i was asking ;is the humanity , which was lacking in the HR Departments of these corporations .

i dont think ,it was such a big or unrealistic demand .

@Salam,
i can see that happening in many cases .
when a bread earner of a family of 7 , suddenly looses his job ...he will go for an alternate job .
which he hardly finds , as there are very less openings .
plus he needs to have some one 's reference to get in some where ....
plus his termination or resignation puts a question mark on his resume , which will hurdle further in the process of getting a new job .

he is not a land lord or a civil servant ..
who has loads of extra money lying in his multiple bank accounts ...

so from where he can get money to feed his family of 7 on a daily basis and managing other expenses?

under world mafia is quite strong and awake then any other entity in Pakistan .
they always keep an eye on the mass level firing and subsequent hundreds of unemployed people .
so they can grab the opportunity .

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Oct 2010 5:48 #
choosy
Member

saray nikalay gaye logon ko mil kay aik party bana leni chahiye aur kisi retired judge ki sar barahi mein ussay agitation karna chahiye sarkon par.

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Oct 2010 7:03 #