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Is this a DISCUSSION forum?

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  1. raheb
    Member

    Salaam! after been member of this forum I wonder if one call it a Discussion forum? Forum it is but Where is Discussion? Mostly people doing their "Catharsis" ( a word used by Greek philosopher Aristotle to denote the purging of emotions that results from watching a staged performance of a tragedy). People just VOMIT their emotions against mostly on political situation, leaders or their political parties, that's all. Some like 'pakistanpal' throw bundle of cut and paste articles from other and having NO single own opinion about what he/she send. Forum is also to accuse, curse here and there without coming towards anything concreat. I believe that most of participent hardly read these topics, but it is somesort of FUN to throw anything just to see own name. Seldom there are any comments, views, fruitful discussion or a result.
    A lot of responsibility is on Moderator. Is it better to have big bundles of discussion topics (without discussion) or few serious topics with discussion on topic not on any person or party? Do we NOT know what discussion is and How to do it? Do we lack ability to critically examine a problem/theory/topic? Probably YES! I think we DO NOT have that culture and it is NOT any learning in educational institutions, how to do a critical examine- which do not mean to curse, abuse, and show bad emotions.

    So either we should have a discussion forum or if not, its better to change the name of this forum, for example " Emotional forum" or " Stomach relieve forum" or "Vomiting forum"

    Allah Hafiz

    sincerely
    raheb

    Posted 3 years ago on 10 Jul 2008 0:56 #
  2. shikra
    Blocked

    @ raheb,
    I don't want to annoy you by expressing that you have committed the same mistake by discarding and putting blame on other members at the forum. At your posting, I can smell the emotional, angry and vomiting attitude.
    I wish next time you come up with a noble precedent to teach, what a DISSCUSION is?
    Please give us a topic, rules and the path to discus that topic.
    I hope the members of the forum will not disappoint you.
    Pkpolitics is an opinion forming forum and the formation of public opinion needs the freedom of expression by an individual, whatever he feels.
    I remember once someone (madam beena or JS) posted a very good suggestion, that let the baby crawl to make him walk.
    More than 80% members at the Forum are very learned and know how to behave.

    Posted 3 years ago on 10 Jul 2008 1:32 #
  3. rafi
    Member

    This is expression forum; expression has many faces. Release of emotion is one of them. Agreeing or diagreeing on politicals views are other. Making a choice bewtween one man rule and rule of infant democracy is one another. Rehab Saheb do you know why western world always take a lead in innovation and development, be it science, entertianment, literature, art or sports. Because they allow expression, they allow their kids to fail untill they learn to succeed. When a young man or woman try to bring a new idea s/he deosn't listen this punchline:
    HAMARY KHANDAN MEIN KHABHI KISI NEY YEH KAM NAHIM KIYA HEY, TUM KIYA UNKHAR LO GAY.
    This is my humble request to you, please let participant in this forum express their views in their own style. Our nation has been muted for sixty years. Censorship was the order of the day, shodowy forces are still fighting to curb the media. Thanks to virtual revolution, information is accessbile. Expression from the desk of the home or office is no more a dig deal. We are living in a consumer based global village. Consumer can switch the website or chennel in a matter of second. So if you do not like this forum; please move on and find another forum where you can find like minded folks.
    If you don't like Pepsi then drink coke, if you don't like GEO or AAJ then watch PTV. Very simple.

    Posted 3 years ago on 10 Jul 2008 4:47 #
  4. raheb!

    whats wrong with you ?

    this is to "diss" and "cuss" people out section...use ur brains for gods sake...

    Mulla!

    Posted 3 years ago on 10 Jul 2008 5:49 #
  5. My dear raheb,
    I respect your frustrated and anger though I disagree with your findings.
    I have very little to add after reading the postings from mulla, rafi and shikra.
    No doubt, at every opinion forum and discussion platform, you will meet and face different shades and colors. Let them speak out to watch and see the survival of the fittest.
    The beautiful living room, a neat kitchen, a very comfortable and scented bed room at your house will start stinking, where you close and shut down your bath room.
    We cannot cut off or shut down our genital parts which help to release the urine.
    They are protected and covered being the most important organs to release the unhygienic stuff out of human body to keep it normal and healthy.
    I will appreciate if you let me know, if I violated the rule of discussion.

    Posted 3 years ago on 10 Jul 2008 9:02 #
  6. @Raheb,
    i fail to understand what ur actual defination of a discussion forum is ?
    maybe ...u r setting ur standards too high ...or trying to make it.
    what i think about this forum ,as a member ...
    that its a good platform for all Pakistanis inside and outside Pakistan to discuss national issues ,share thier visions and thought patterns ,thier ideas for imprvoments and thier responses to a major happening.
    sometimes we get surprised to learn a new aspect of an issue...
    we never thought of .....
    it increases ur knowldge about current affairs ...
    u got to meet many ppl with different school of thought and learn how to disagree with them gracefully ......

    atleast i have learnt a lot from this forum..
    i have got good and intellectual friends like Shiekh Sahib,Shikra ,Andarkabandar ,letsdoit,Adonis,Nazia through this forum....

    i have got a lot of patenice and tolerance while facing opposition of a particular thought pattern of mine...

    its a good ,healthy and quite mature forum of discussion....
    if u have a different guage to moniter its seriousness than nobody can help u ...

    Posted 3 years ago on 10 Jul 2008 13:55 #
  7. Dear All,

    Atleast we should give a chance to raheb to define the rules of the game. I am sure we could debate on what he is thinking right. Although this forum is functioning super fine but Perhaps there is always margin for improvement. So Mr. raheb turn is yours we are waiting......

    Posted 3 years ago on 10 Jul 2008 14:15 #
  8. @Letsdoit,
    i am all for giving everybody a fair chance .....
    Raheb,
    where r u ????

    Posted 3 years ago on 11 Jul 2008 5:21 #
  9. raheb
    Member

    Salaam! its nice to see some reactions, Thanks for that. Before I go for rest let me clear few things. I have nothing to do with politics, not any party member or have some sympathy for certain leader, or political party. Been away from country more than 25 years, and ALL information is through media, both electronic and published. Lover of Pakistan, Islam and Muslim Ummah. So I have NOTHING against any of you, as we Never met so there is NO question of anything Personal. Views and Opinions ONLY.

    Npw my reply to you is with your name and through your wordings, and there exist even points for a discussion.

    shikra SIR! Your words" you have committed the same mistake by discarding and putting blame on other members at the forum." In a good Discussion, the most less intelligent thing is to throw back the words towards the person who said it, That is what you exactly did. Remember one should NEVER do that, as it shows more emotions than wisdom.
    HOW you Interprete that I am Blaming other members??? You put bad value on my words and it is your Incorrect interpretation. I am NOT at all Angry on anyone, Why should I?
    Probably you are transforming your own emotions, BUT my intention was NEVER to attack anyone.
    Your words, "Pkpolitics is an opinion forming forum " SORRY! I have been following it from some time, name one topic on which this forum make any "OPINION"?
    Your words, "freedom of expression by an individual, whatever he feels." Very RIGHT, Ihaven't said anythinh against it, but to express the feelings is NOT discussion. In fact when one is emotional then one can not discuss anything, becasue he/she is fully under the influence of emotions, that time wisdom DO NOT function. So to get rid of feelings and emotions, one can have another forum.
    Your words, "More than 80% members at the Forum are very learned and know how to behave." Respectable SIR; HAVE I said anything about it? Have I argued about any behaviour? Why you are putting words towards me which I NEVER used?

    Now to RAFI sb! Respectfully- A good choice " EXPRESSION Forum" well I have nothing against this name and I think this name suits it better than Discussion forum. With this new name then its OK to express whatever one want. The example from west world is good, just that's why I am saying what I am saying, because I myself studied and living in West and I have very close observation on West society. Even discussion and expressions have some sense and proper ways. And the way this forum function is NOT nearby to any of your example.
    Your words, "please let participant in this forum express their views in their own style." WHAT it leads to more than Catharsis? It will probably continue as it is, as it is in the hands of Modrator, only is this will be my last mail to this forum.
    Your words, "please move on and find another forum where you can find like minded folks." THANKS! that comes your surrender, against ALL rules of a discussion. There are few more here you suggested me the same, But NOT needed, as I know that already that I have NOTHING here to give or take, BUT rules of a good discussion again says, NOT to use these comments which you and some other did.
    Yoy words, " If you don't like Pepsi then drink coke," Sorry I don't use any of them, as both belong to USA/jews. I stopped using them when USA attacked Iraq first time about 16-17 years ago. I don't eat McDonalds either, as I can not curse/abuse a country and at the same time support them economically. How many of you on this forum has done it? There are many who express their hate against USA but Coke, Pepsi and McDonalds are status symbols- talk about Double Standard.

    To mulla! Sir, respectfully you are Non-serious and a fun seeker only.

    To javedsheikh! respected Sir, you start with Incorrect interpretations of my words, I am neither frustrated nor Angry on anyone. Process of TRANSFERENCE is very interesting for many of you. Good example of you, what I can add is, that everything should be done to its proper place. Urine and that stuff should be done in toilet not anywhere else. That is what exactly needed to make different places for different needs.AND that is BASIC learning to a kid, what to do where, if this learning do not function so kid can do whatever anywhere. You pointed out good things with good example, I tried to fill it.

    To Moderator! your words, "discuss national issues ,share thier visions and thought patterns ,thier ideas for imprvoments and thier responses to a major happening."
    I think there are more definition problems, as first I cannot call most of things on this forum as a discussion, it is Expressions as Rafi sahib said, and sometime even expressions been done in abusing way, disrespect, curse and bad names. Visions?? ideas for improvements??? I gave a example that someone put a speech of Mr.Kamal, now instead of discussing what he said, people was cursing on him or his party, even you was among them. There was almost NONE who took the matter what he said, but mostly going personal against him or his party? Does it made sense? It was again ONLY Expressions of EMOTIONS (of HATE). What favour this forum is doing and to whom?

    My Brothers/ countrymen- that's it from my side. It was a Honest try to share a little and to be more rich through this forum, but I am disappointed (not anyone personally) BUT as I said before, we need to develope some more new cultures and have to BREAK the old ones. It is Strange for me that as a nation we CAN break laws- both man made and Allah made laws, BUT bad culture and traditions we cannot break.

    Take care of you ALL- and I love you all.

    Allah Hafiz
    raheb

    Posted 3 years ago on 12 Jul 2008 0:02 #
  10. My dear raheb,
    I am glad you came to this Discussion Forum back with your point of view.
    I understand this is enough to learn what is discussion?
    To every thesis there is an antithesis and each antithesis generates a synthesis, what turns into a new theses. This process helps the humanity towards the achievement of perfection.
    You will be amazed to learn that at Pkpolitics almost every topic has been discussed, debated, accepted, rejected or killed, what is directly or indirectly related to political, social, cultural, ethnic, moral, emotional, personal, economic, national or International issue.
    The standard of discussion might not be up to your expectations as the participant at the Forum are not debaters, and experienced like professional TV Talk Show hosts or jounrnalists.
    Most of the Opinion Forums provide a platform to the new comers like an elementary school where educated, learned, knowledgeable and intelligent scholars like you can contribute as teachers.
    So please, let the members at the forum crawl till they learn to walk.

    Posted 3 years ago on 12 Jul 2008 3:07 #
  11. rafi
    Member

    Dear Rehab
    Expression of opinion differs from person to person, to create a benchmark as to how to express and opinion is fascistic approach. Yes, it is true that some members loose objectivity and get personal against opposing view. This behaviour used to get annoy me when I first started using this forum. But later on I realise that this is happening beacuse we as a nation faced severe censorship and dictatorial regimes for a long time. This style of government penetrated deep down in the society and every family created a dictator who decide the fate of rest of the family member, this happen in the name of culture, religion and tradition. But actually this happenned because of style of Government and Society unintentinally adopt the rulers. As you said that you been living outside Pakistan for 25 years; if it is middle east then I can't help you (that society is less tolerant than Pakistan) but if you lived in the Europe or North America then I would say that you probbaly learned civic tolerance during first few years after migration. By civic tolerance I mean how to cross a road, not to spit or litter etc. Similarly western media might had taught you how debate goes on and sometime people present their opinion in a bizarre manner. Now expecting the same tolerance level from Pakistani society is not fair, I don't blame them because they weren't exposed to that tolerance level. That deosn't mean that they should be given a chance of free speech (Mush and supporters of his theory still beleive that this nation is not ready for free media). These blogs and TV channels are teaching them how to accept opposing opinion.
    As far as the move on or drink pepsi or coke is concern. These were all symbolic gestures, it shouldn't be taken in literary manner. Not drinking Pepsi or Coke or eating McDonalds or using particular product are all personal choices. Not drinking a coke or pepsi may hurt the top owner very little; instead it will actually hurt the small buisness owner around the corner who sell them. In America millions of South Asians (including muslims) owned Convenience store which sells coke and pepsi products if they stop selling them under your theory then they will loose business big time. These corporation may be owned by somebody whom you don't like but they provide jobs to millions of small people who make their living and bring food for their family by selling those products. About move on is concern, it is all about free choice you don't like it then why waste time but if you are a thick skin who can participate and bring your point on the table and make participant respond then stay. Nobody can stop you. The real meaning of move on is the relationship between a product and a consumer. This blog is a product and you are a consumer, if you are not that consumer segment of that market for whom this product is made then it is not for you. I don't have to buy milk with the label (Lactose Free) bacause I can consume regular whole or 2% milk.

    Posted 3 years ago on 12 Jul 2008 16:15 #
  12. My dear rafi,
    This is just to appreciate your posting and the strength of your logic.

    Posted 3 years ago on 12 Jul 2008 17:59 #
  13. rafi
    Member

    JS Saheb

    Thanks

    Posted 3 years ago on 12 Jul 2008 22:38 #
  14. raheb
    Member

    Salaam and thanks rafi and sheikh sahebaan who responded to my views about this so called Discussion forum.
    I have nothinh against "Expression of Opinion" but it must be a opinion first, and that thing is often lacking here. We have many EXPRESSIONS- of sentiments BUT NOT much opinions. Rafi! don't you think that we NEED a dictator now on the otherside? Dictorial made laws probably needed to BREAK with Dictorial methods? I DO NOT agree with you when you say we haven't got freedom. We had it and we have it, BUT difference is we don't know HOW properly we should use it. We ABUSE freedom. Need is to FOSTER the nation, NOT to meet and accept as they are. Not many seems to be reader here but to throw something with a fictious name is FUN and exciting, but where is discussion?
    I think its better that Moderator sort such post from very beginning to proper forum.
    Anyway I am happy that you few people are good to discuss.

    Now to side-talk of Cola and Pepsi. Topic need to be discussed. You just rubbed it of by giving the example of a street seller. You are thinking on a small bussinessman, and I am seeing whole muslim Ummah is suffering through US and west world. If we can shake them it's only through Economical injuries, as they are vulnerable only on that front. Cola, Pepsi and McDonalds can be in that list which whole muslims can boycott and it surely hurt.

    Posted 3 years ago on 16 Jul 2008 21:59 #
  15. Londonistan
    Member

    @raheb

    Find yourself a "think tank" to join if you think this forum is not something of your calibre. The simplicity and straight forwardness of this forum is the strength that kept people like you away from this Forum. Since this forum is an honest attempt to create an environment of safe & sound discussion & debate among its readers, let me see a thought provoking "Words of Wisdom" article from you regarding current political situation and of course some suggestions regarding the solutions of the related problems that Pakistan face today (which I very much doubt that will ever happen!). In case, you don’t have to do anything with Politics then I wonder what you doing here at the first place. Couldn't understand the logic behind it.

    Posted 3 years ago on 16 Jul 2008 22:12 #
  16. raheb
    Member

    Londonistan! thanks for your acceptence NOT to understand What I mean.

    Posted 3 years ago on 16 Jul 2008 22:54 #

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