what is raw? A dead indian with a rat in his mouth.We need to increase the budget of ISI by 2 billion.We have these ugly indians red.coms trying to become a fraud super power by eating DAAL. Pakistanis need to apply same policies of the GREAT MEHMOOD OF GHAZNI..WE CANT HAVE **** WORSHIPPERS URINE DRINKERS SUBHUMAN MONEY WORSHIPING RETARDS AS A THREAT AGAINST PAKISTAN. SORRY MONKEYS AND COWS..
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ISI vs MI.... A war within........
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Migel9
MemberPosted 2 years ago on 15 Jul 2009 14:28 # -
Pak non-truth:
Please verify your age. Because if it happens to be under 18yrs, I shall stop being surprised.
The forum begins to look positive and progressive when we have critical thinkers constructively criticizing the agencies operating within and outside of Pakistan.
Well done Khan Sahib, Mulla, Semirza, NNL, Migel, Beenai, Letsdoit, Croc(R.R), Chechen, bsobaid, ucsher and others that are still fresh enough to criticize and offer solutions to the rancid system and policies of our vegetating elite.
I only pray that what is being said on the forum is also being translated in real life so that change can be brought about.
Pak non-truth, you will be bombarded with reality if you continue to stick your neck in the sand and blindly chant Pakistan Zindabad when you and everyone else knows that Pakistan is Murdabad right now and needs adrenaline, suturing and a new lease of life.
Change your nick or else shut the heck up.
Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jul 2009 14:41 # -
Migel9
MemberO for president I say..The force is strong with you Oriel.
Paksitan is being led by a living murdah called zardari.
His qualifications are..I WAS MARRIED TO BHUTTO..An amercain client leading a nation of pakistan is a sad pathetic disturbing situation.A nation of beautiful people and a beautiful country is being held hostage by a lunatic fringe of PIMPS INBREDS WHO `S SOUL IS CONTAIMINATED BY THE
JEWISH DOLLARS.Till these criminal elite of traitors is hanged in a public square nothing will change in pakistan.By the way to the immigrants of india (NOT MQM)during partition of sub-continent Liaquat Ali Khan was assinated by the CIA for having an independent foreign policy,FACT.How dare a brown manstood up the white christian of the criminal west.
Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jul 2009 14:53 # -
msohail83
MemberO migel ye shaheedon ki palty hai! BB rani
Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jul 2009 14:59 # -
While laying the foundation stone of RAW, India's PM at that time Indira Gandhi approvingly quoted Louis F Hallis, when she said that its objectives should be the 'Ability to get what one wants by whatever means: eloquence, reasoned arguments, bluff, tirade, threat or coercion, as well as, by arousing pity, annoying others, or making them uneasy'.
The techniques of manipulating public opinion and creating disinformation, propounded by Chankiya anticipated modern intelligence systems by several centuries. No wonder then that the old lessons in deceit, guile, hypocrisy, machination, and gore taught by that Master strategist, Chankiya alias Kautilya (literally meaning 'crooked') was adopted in by India and its chief intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW).
RAW is basically a Secret Service established to perform clandestine operations based on the Chanakyan principles of deceit and guile. It has successfully destabilized neighboring countries, disintegrated independent states and backed the most notorious guerrilla organizations to achieve its ends. If it is compared to other intelligence agencies of the region, it emerges as an aggressive, cold-blooded and ruthless institution, engaged in the most macabre deeds.Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jul 2009 15:11 # -
@Migel:
Force is strong with many on forum (you're the Obi-Wan btw).
Problem is the unified, organized voice is missing.
How do we start a movement of change?
Select an expressive, vocal, trusted person to lead (I am talking about forum person, translated into real-life meetings at some point).
Mulla and Khan's ideas of a think-tank are spot on, bu this tank needs to be consistent and the meetings need to be regular to brain-storm and give birth to a movement.
Suggestions Migel, Mulla, LetsDoit, Semirza.......... ALL plz
Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jul 2009 15:15 # -
@Oriel
Highly appreciated. Your thoughts, suggestions and action accordingly will certainly result in a much desired change. I am all for Pakistan, for Pakistanis, for Muslims and for pkpolitics.Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jul 2009 15:27 # -
For Muslims, Pakistanis:
pkpolitics, our work, our home-lives can all be utilised for this cause.
Cause: To bring about a shift in thinking within Pakistanis where the result would be the calling of ousting of the old guard and bringing in the new.
During and after WW2, a group of philosophers from all parts of Europe would work individually in their universities, lives, writing papers. When they would meet, they would brain-storm through the night.
Together they formed the intellectual mind-set that is still governing the western hemisphere today.
Amongst them were Keynes (the economist), Nietsche, Russell, Allama Iqbal, Wittgenstein............ look them up for their contribution to the 20th and 21st century
Is it not possible to create sucha think tank of like-mindeds?!?!?!?!?!?!
Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jul 2009 16:08 # -
Migel9
MemberI sense a disturbence in the Empires policies concerning muslims. We should be the wall of Islamic knowledge against the Empire. Think Tank are 100% associated with zionist war lords
In USA AND UK. I find them unattractive. WE should call our, The Order of Islamic knowledge, or just the ORDER as in sufi order based on Islamic thought from all four schools of thought.No one has a monopoly on knowledge period.O what you are reffering to is I beleive, is called Illumanati Order or Free masonary.Devilish conotations.
In this future Order the right people with ideas suggestions
and knowledge with intellectual integrity can help in shaping the future of Pakistan.Implementing the ideas in a practicality will be the job of people of authority in Pakistan`s Future govt.We should be able to recomend suggestions to the right people in Pakistan.We should or the future govt of Pakistan should have direct access to our
Forum..The Order.Few thoughts for O..may the force be with you always.
For O..
To this world you have brought the fragrance
Yet perfume you have hidden from appearance
A million excitements this aroma belies
That you have thrown upon the earth and the skies.
From thy own radiant light and heat
You have set fire to the mind and soul’s seat
From taking thy life-giving jewel
The mine and the ocean have lost their cool.
Millions of souls with radiant faces
Have been confined to dark spaces.
You take the certainty of fools
And give them doubt with mental tools.
They ply themselves with their own hand
And with sweetness take a bloody stand.
The heartful find their hearts broken
The heartless with cries of alas are woken.
Obi VanPosted 2 years ago on 15 Jul 2009 17:10 # -
Thanks Obi:
But don't misunderstand from the e.g of think tank I gave. It was an illustration of what can be done if minds come together (as on this forum) for a cause (bringing Pak out of the darkness........... hence, the people). It was an e.g. resulting from my limited education from UK.
Intentions I hope are better understood, as my focus is not the West, though I am a product of the West, my focus is aimed at the East and it's inherent/inherited problems.
Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jul 2009 17:24 # -
Remember something (here I am in no shape or form harping about myself):
The practicing Muslims (Pakistanis) + not-so praticing ones will be at the fore-front of change for Pakistan. Meaning the change cannot come from within Pakistan as the rot has infiltrated the core of the establishments' youth. Those within rural areas that are perfect candidates to bring about this change lack the will power due to generations of slave-mentality brainwashing.
Therefore, fresh souls from abroad need to be turned towards the agenda of change for Pakistan............... then watch as the bandwagon rolls down the hill!
Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jul 2009 17:32 # -
BTW, have completely hijacked the original thread.
Apologies!
Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jul 2009 17:34 # -
@khan sahib,
my hats off to your mission .
i really appreciate it .as long as ISI role in PKpolitics is concerned .
its there from the day ,ISI has came into being .it has been increasing with the passage of time .
due to incapability of our so called civilian leaders .Posted 2 years ago on 16 Jul 2009 12:32 # -
Pak Truth
MemberDear Beenai,
With due respect to urs thoughts, it seems that this forum is being used most of the Indian agents arround. They participate in the discussion just for defaming the important instituations of the country. I do agree that Pakistan should be ruled by the Honest Civilian leaders.But u will bear me out most of the times crupt political leaders drag the military just for the sack of their survivial. Present Chief and former chief Aslam Beg were having chances of taking over the country but never did so. U know y? Because they never liked to getinto the politics. Both did right. Now comming back to the Khan Sahib Topic. I totally disagree with his basic topic of differences between ISI and MI. It seem to be a fruitless try of creating differenced between two important organization of Defence. These efforts are being carried out deliberatly by the Paid RAW agents. Ok, lets consider khan Sahib is not an India agent.He might not be knowing that who are our real enemies? He must read the underline of the American, Indian and Isreal Plan of destablizing Pakistan. They are working on five points Agenda,
1. Capture/ destory Pak Nuclear Programme.
2. Fragmentation / breaking of Pakistan.
3. Defaming ISI and Paksitan Army.
4. Creating political destablity in Pakistan
5. Destruction of Pakistan Economy
The implementaion on above ponints ant Paksitan countries are using various fora. The nedia is one of them. They are using MQM in Karachi, Mullahs in NWFP and Punjab, Balochies Reballians like BLA in Balochistan. I extend my hand to Khan Sahib(if he is a true Paksitan. Im impressed about his revealing regarding visit of IDPs camps) and ask him to join hands against enemies of Pakistan. Beenai , it is suggested u look at the black sheeps present around and they should not be allowed to use this plate form against our motherland Pakistan.Posted 2 years ago on 16 Jul 2009 14:13 # -
@Paktruth,
your suggestions are most welcome.
i do have an eye on anti Pakistan posts and contents .
and keep deleting them from the site .
but since i am a human being and can over look things .
so i always want u ppl ,my friends to help me out in this ,by pointing out something ,which is anti Pakistan ,and i missed that one out.
thanksPosted 2 years ago on 17 Jul 2009 5:24 # -
thriller
Blockedcan any one count me good jobs and things performed by ISI in favor of pakistan only ??
just want to know
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jul 2009 7:04 # -
What do you expect out of an off-shoot of MI? When the sole purpose of creating this 'political wing' of the Pakistan Intelligence was to keep an eye on 'seemingly patriotic but not patriotic at all' types of Pakistani politicians!
The ISI being the most exposed (overt) wing was assigned this job of keeping the Russians at bay (by helping Mujahideen-with the aid of USA and Saudi Arabia), as Russia had designs (confirmed Internationally) seeking access to the Gulf through control of Baluchistan, as it had occupied Afghanistan in a sense that a pro-Russion regime was in control of Afghanistan, including Russian army.
Not forgetting 'Free Education' from the BSO was a goodwill gesture, but having henious designs that are not so secret now. BSO has grown into BLA and Russia is behind this joined with others specially USA. We cant deny this fact.
Just remember ISI is not everything. There is something above ISI that controls it, within Pakistan! The invisible government!
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jul 2009 7:16 # -
f06md
MemberKhan Sb,
Great job by you people. We people were just thinking but u practically done this. That is simply great. May Allah Give yous a reward for this.
We would be waiting for you detailed post on IDP's and meeting with ISI official. Thanks
Posted 2 years ago on 17 Jul 2009 8:59 #
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