Taliban attack pukhtun jirga in Mohmand: 65 killed

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aslam786
Member

Another devastating blow to pukhtuns. This time the tactic was car bomb/suicide bomb instead of F-16.

Imran Khan has claimed that he can rid country of terrorism in 90 days. I will say that I can rid country and whole region of terrorism in 30 days.

Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jul 2010 1:19 #
shirazi
Member

@aslam786

I share your concern. The attack in Lahore few days ago got much more attention not just by this site but by bloggers and our print and electronic media. I deplore this double standard.

The casualties head count in today's attack in Mohmand is more than DD. We need unity and comprehensive strategy to fight militants and most importantly ISI not divided against itself.

Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jul 2010 2:47 #
sweettruth
Member

This is yet another naked ghundagardi and badmashi of taliban mafia killing machine. These animals believe in killings only. Some people in Pakistan prefer and support talibans as their rulers. Unless we take decisive action against them, we cannot win war against these animals.

Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jul 2010 6:18 #
nota
Member

@bitterlies
"These animals believe in killings only."

If true, then they are just like YOU :-P

"eliminate all terrorists from Afghanistan and Pakistan"

"it is our national duty to work out a plan to eliminate Talibans"

"Talibans are worst than any savage animal and should be wiped off the face of the earth."

"our Police and Army will continue hunting them down no matter where they are. "

"I wanna see the day when ordinary people will stone to death all these fasadi extremist moulvis in every city's square."

"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -- Friedrich Nietzsche

;-)

Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jul 2010 9:53 #
sweettruth
Member

It is shameful PkPoitics blog members have become so indifferent on the deaths of over 100 innocent Pakistanis in Mohmand by taliban mafia that no one even discussing this loss of innocent lives.
Here is the link
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jul2010-daily/10-07-2010/u37882.htm

Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jul 2010 21:46 #
dildar
Member

Nota

When your dog gets mad and bites anything comes in the way then you must shot the dog, no other cure. Period

Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jul 2010 22:22 #
shimatoree
Member

Quote " no one is even discussing this loss of innocent lives " end of quote.

We are too busy discussing the loss of GUILTY lives being carried out by the honest, sincere and well meaning forces that use airplanes, bombs, tanks, and drones.

Innocent lives have to wait !

Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jul 2010 0:28 #
Anwer Kamal
Member

دیں ملا فی سبیل الله فساد

Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jul 2010 0:36 #
taban.khamosh
Member

Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.

-- Thomas Mann

Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jul 2010 2:53 #
junaid
Member

seems like taban khamosh is back.
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fasadi napak army created aman lashkar like iraqi awakening sold out regime.

Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jul 2010 3:25 #
nota
Member

@dildar
Then why complain when the 'dog' bites back? It is only natural ;-)

BTW: Funny @bitterlies, to whom my comment was addressed, did not respond...

Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jul 2010 9:52 #
achtung
Member

junaid bhai

"fasadi napak army created aman lashkar like iraqi awakening sold out regime"

you want army not creat aman. are you enemy of aman?

Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jul 2010 12:01 #
achtung
Member

nota bhai

"Then why complain when the 'dog' bites back? It is only natural ;-)"

these dogs are taken care. these dogs need 'kutchla'. pak army ney inn kay liye 'a' grade 'kutchlay' ka bandobast kar diya hy. they given 'kutchla'. soon, na hee ye dogs baqi bachain gey, na hee yeh kissi ko kat sakain gey.

Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jul 2010 12:10 #
nota
Member

@achtung
"soon, na hee ye dogs baqi bachain gey, na hee yeh kissi ko kat sakain gey. "

Oh, suna to tha Mohmand meiN sub ko "kuchal" diya hay..(Yawn!. Lagay raho.... :)

Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jul 2010 13:02 #
junaid
Member

you want army not creat aman. are you enemy of aman?

achtung bhai

army aur aman?
remember how they created aman in bangladesh, balochistan, 92 operation in karachi, civilian massacre in swat, indiscriminate killings in tribal areas even on eid.
.
certainly, i am not enemy of aman and i dont oppose 100% of army but their 90%. you better gather some info. about aman lashkars about how they do amrmy's dirty jobs. they are given aman lashkar name just like operation rah e raast..ehh
..jawan crusader ki job kartay hoye shaheed hogaya..

Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jul 2010 14:33 #
SufiSoul
Member

To save your life so-called AMAN LAshkar se door raho......

Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jul 2010 15:14 #
sweettruth
Member

Instead of condemning this terrible terrorists, some cyber jihadi rather fasadi like junaid and nota are blaming Pakistan Army which has lost so many of its jawans and officers in the line of duty. Our Army is doing its best to get rid of all taliban terrorists and still getting criticized by these fasadi elements in our society.
Over 100 innocent people lost their lives but no one is even writing a post to condemn Taliban mafia.

For nota and junaid
Sharam tum ko magar aaati nahian.

Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jul 2010 17:31 #
Sahnaz
Member

In case of a suicide attack in a mosque or a shrine (in Punjab), just utter the following two words: “Blackwater and America.” In case of a similar suicide attack in Karachi, just say: “MQM"

When fanatics of a majority Muslim sect attack a minority Muslim sect, exhibit concern and anger. Then go out and burn an Israeli flag
When fanatics attack people of other minorities (Christians, Hindus, Ahmadis, etc.), don’t say anything. Start discussing the weather instead. “I say, fellow Muslim brother, very hot these days. Yes, fellow Muslim sister, very hot indeed. Care for some halal nimbu-paani?”

* Bellow ‘Alhamdulillah’ if a fellow Muslim echoes your own point of view on faith. But yell ‘blasphemy’ if a fellow Muslim dares to exhibit a different point of view. Shout him down and out, calling him ‘misguided,’ or worse, an ‘infidel.’ Then call this discourse ‘a healthy debate on religion.’

* When a suicide attack takes place in Punjab, explain it as a conspiracy by forces who want a military operation against militants in southern Punjab. Offer ‘dialogue’ and ‘talks’ as a solution. And the removal of Zaradri.
Explain all economic, social and political problems being faced by Pakistan as ‘God’s wrath’. Say all this is taking place because we have stopped following our true faith. Add to this the presence of an obvious plot against Pakistan and Islam by America, Israel, India, Britain, Netherlands and Chili. Offer the banning of Facebook and Google as a solution. And the removal of Zaradri.

* Whenever there are rumours of a military coup, pray they are true. Explain that democracy and secularism are deeply flawed and have destroyed the world. Totalitarian monarchies with entrenched security and bureaucracies are much better and in line with our Arab origins. Please do not compare us to Indians. We have nothing in common with them (except our DNA, culture, cuisine, language, music and geography).
frm dawn.com

Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jul 2010 18:09 #
shirazi
Member

@Sahnaz

I totally agree and thoroughly enjoyed your sarcastic comment. Keep them rolling .... we need them here to out number and shine cyber jihadis here.

Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jul 2010 18:38 #
nota
Member

@shirazi
Oh wise one -- what you don't realize is that @Shahnaz's "comment" is NOT a comment but a cut-and-paste of Nadeem Paracha's latest rant. Duh! :-P

P.S. That the very premise of Paracha's piece is wrong ("Explain all problems being faced by Pakistan as ‘God’s wrath’") can be seen right here. NOT ONE comment explains it away as "God's" wrath)

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 6:18 #
Sahnaz
Member

nota

FYI i already mentioned tht i picked tht piece of info is frm dawn.com. well pracha is doinn a good job by calling spade a spade. he is nt like zaid hamid who is specialised in consipiracy theories....

well i wish if pakistan cud hv more writer like nadeem in urdu media also.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 6:48 #
Shaheen-e-Iqbal
Member

Someone when high and hallucinating as pracha is sure capable to pen his thoughts if he has some. Nothing short of a prisoner of his own mind.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 6:56 #
Sahnaz
Member

patriot we all fell into same category..prisoner of our own mind...think it

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 6:59 #
nota
Member

@Sahnaz
First of all, you need to do a better job of providing a link as "frm dawn.com" is clearly not enough for our baboos like @Shirazi. Secondly, you can wish all you want but I doubt an Urdu version of Paracha would sell much as all baboos (his only audience) already has him in the language they prefer and who won't be caught dead reading an Urdu newspaper (so unfashionable) :-P

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 7:00 #
haider3
member

My own two bits thrown in. I don't like the Paracha piece at all. Making fun of people who are down is not my idea of constructive behaviour. But I do want to add one word to his description of what we share with India: part of our history as well. Which still doesn't make us friends with them.

Also, haven't we drifted far away from our original thread topic? Who did it, why, what did we gain from it? The abyss is certainly staring back at us straight in the eyes. Only consolation: we're not the only ones who might be crashing into extinction as we fall.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 7:13 #
junaid
Member

@ sweettruth
love to ignore kindergarten kid_tards.
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some valuable info on these links. it must be a group like asian tiger shumili itehad fanatic.
http://www.ummatpublication.com/2010/07/11/story1.html
http://www.ummatpublication.com/2010/07/11/story2.html

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 7:49 #
rashidsaleem
Member

The barbaric attack which resulted in the loss of 70 precious lives is condemnable in all spheres and degrees. KP (Former NWFP) has been the primary target of the militants due to its geographical location. But we have come a long way and let’s hope this even these events are stopped for good.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 9:03 #
haider3
member

Each fresh death here is a bit of ourselves dying. Each further punkhtoon death is a bit of Pakistan dying. Please to bear this in mind before rejoicing the next time.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 9:10 #
LiberalKarachi
Member

This was directed towards the civilians specifically!! They deliberetly blew up in the most populous place..hence the death of 65 people this time!

These guys probably thought that jirga is anti-islam because legislation and sovereignty lies with God and not some self-professed "leaders", deciding the fate of the tribe through their wishes.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 15:41 #
semirza
Moderator

You may be wrong. Jirga is the most revered among them after a belief in One God and his last Prophet(PBUH).

Being in opression for 70 long years but still communists from their hearts and souls are the most probable culprits who dont believe in jirgas as directed by their russian masters for such a long time.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 15:46 #
LiberalKarachi
Member

communists? :o are you sure it wasn't the indias/americans/israel instead?

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 15:49 #
semirza
Moderator

Cannot be ruled out because communists are more close to Indian RAW and Afghan RAMA right now working along side CIA and MOSSAD.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 15:57 #
shimatoree
Member

I am astonished at the pedantic and uninspired comments made abou the BLAST in Mohmand agency.

Simply put- there is WAR.
The weak party is getting decimated by the sophisticated weapons of the ARMY and Airforce of Pakistan and USA etc.
They will resort to ANY POSSIBLE way to inflict pain and suffering on those that oppose it or might oppose it.

So they use the only weapon system they have.
The suicide bomber. It is their F-16 or their COBRA helicopter. It is their Drone firing Hellfire missiles.

And what are we reading here- let me give a smaple.

1. One life lost is the murder of humanity.

2. This was directed towards the civilians specifically.

3. Our Army is doing its best to get rid of all taliban terrorists .
4. Over 100 innocent people lost their lives but no one is even writing a post to condemn Taliban.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 16:04 #
semirza
Moderator

What ever may be as a reason but not reason enough for a Pakhtun to attack a Pakhtun jirga.
The rest I leave it on your own immagination.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 16:09 #
shimatoree
Member

Continuation of above-

When you attack a group of people of your "own" country apparently at the behest of outsiders-

Do not expect them to bring flowers and Gulab Jamans to you.

If we accept the statement that Taliban are a Mafia-
pray tell me what label would fit the Pakistan Army and Airforce and the politicians responsible for this policy of killing their own people-
HIRED KILLERS !
Lackeys ?
Hit Men

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 16:10 #
shimatoree
Member

semirza

The ethos of the Pushtoon tribes has changed. The tradition of not attacking one's tribal elders is gone.
Reason-

Tribal elders sold out to the corrupt politicians and others and in the process accumulated a lot of property and money. Plus the coming of Takfiri Islam has created a dynamic which is still evolving. Try to imagine that the situation is the same as in the political cirlces in Pakistan where the Politicians are 10 years behind the people-( proof- their reaction to the media).

When the problems were brought about in FATA- the Tribal Elders did not provide leadership- so someone else stood up, challenged the Tribal Elders and there you have it.
In a funny sort of way a form of democracy has come about where the people of FATA will NOT accept someone as a leader just because they are son of such and such family.
They have to show in response to the desires of the people. If they do not- well you see the results.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 16:16 #
nota
Member

@semirza
Oh so it was a "Pakhtun jirga"? Seriously??

@bitterlies
"For nota and junaid
Sharam tum ko magar aaati nahian. "

That hardly is a "reply" to my comment. Weaseling out again??? Well that was expected!

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 16:17 #
nota
Member

@shimatoree
I don't think any one is looking for the truth here ("simple" as it is). Perfect example of ignoring the elephant in the room. But it is intentional and self-deceiving.

Here is a bit I ran across about another place yesterday that gave me the giggles as to what they were trying to sell. You might as well go on for 60-plus years and the same weaseling out will be the response...

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 16:26 #
semirza
Moderator

Just as an example: assembly of elders (let us not call it a jirga even though a jirga is a panel of elders) among the pukhtons attacked by the enemy (another tribe of pukhtons as adversaries)without any warning?..

No Sir, they will never ever attack without a warning. Before they do attack they will provide ample time as a warning so that the other side is able to take up arms and defend themselves.

This was a terrorist attack. Terrorists do not warn the other side of the forth coming attack.

And just where this attack happened!

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 16:41 #
nota
Member

"No Sir, they will never ever attack without a warning. Before they do attack they will provide ample time as a warning so that the other side is able to take up arms and defend themselves.

This was a terrorist attack. Terrorists do not warn the other side of the forth coming attack."

Hmmm -- your logic goes this was a terrorist attack because "Sir, they will never attack without a warning. Before they do attack they will provide ample time as a warning so that the other side is able to take up arms and defend themselves" AND "Terrorists do not warn the other side of the forth coming attack."

Now if we are to go by that same logic -- lets say I am agreeing here -- every attack by army too is a "terrorist" attack, just like the drone strikes.

Am glad we got that cleared out! ;-)

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 17:05 #
shimatoree
Member

I am a Pushtoon from Dara Adam Khel- though some years removed now.

Let me just quote something from Dawn'

Quote

"They are unable to pacify the people because the political and economic alienation of the local population is huge,''

Now try to see the problem in FATA and border areas ! See the issue is not about jirgas or the gathering of the elders of another tribe or some such notions of CHIVELRY.
Chivelry died long time ago when Musharraf sold Pakistan for an apartment in Hyde Park.

Blast in Mohmand is simply put WAR. You may call anyone a terrorist if you wish but THEY are fighting against you with whatever little they have got.

You bomb and kill their relatives by using airplanes etc- now when they bomb your gatherings which are held speifically against them-

- well I ask again-

Do you expect birthday Cakes with icing to have been brought to this meeting in Mohmand ?

I think I am going to write a thread-

" What if the Army killed my family and what will I do. "

That might get people thinking-( which is what seems to be missing ) !

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 17:35 #
semirza
Moderator

Interesting!
What I have mentioned above is a law written on the heart of every pukhton. Not to attack anyone unarmed or unaware. Defend and protect your guest even when he is a murderer of one/many from your tribe. If as per circumstances when he requests to be your guest then according to Tribal law you should avenge by killing him, but tribal law also says he is your guest therefore his protection is your duty. So as long as he may wish he will be your guest until he decides to leave and you personally take him up to your tribal border where again as duty you verbally inform him that beyond that tribal limits your responsibility ends and that now you are on your own there fore get out of this area as soon as possible or else I am bound to avenge murders you have committed. Sounds like a fairy tail but it is very much true.

Now coming to conventional warfare that we inherited from our colonial masters:

Attack through infantry plus artillery and backed up by Air cover is never a secret. The other side is well informed since the time 'all leave is cancelled' and all transport is camouflaged, a tell tale sign of soon to happen military maneuver. In friendly areas (cross country) rumbling of heavy armour is enough to relay alarm aided by mobile phones.

Guerilla attacks by conventional military are done through special wings trained for stealth maneuvers (suicide missions). No one knows till they are right on you with almost no time to react. All done very quietly and is soon over without any sight of them.

Now what type of attack you are talking about? You think Military may have done it. Why not mercenaries who are already here since some time with this specific duty to perform.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 17:38 #
LiberalKarachi
Member

it has nothing to do with bravery or revenge. Eye for an eye will make the world go blind. If a family member of someone has been killed then how does it justify them taking a life of a random family member of another person? If someone from my family dies in a car accident, it does not mean i should kill another person with my car. That's absurd logic and there is no justification.

If those terrorists are really that brave then they should have the guts to go to Waziristan and fight the Pakistan <army> or go to Afghanistan and fight the American <army> like real men, instead of massacring the defenceless, unarmed random civilians. This way they will be able to avenge death like a brave man instead of a coward terrorist. In Islam during war, you cannot even cut down opponent's trees, let alone killing the opponent's innocent civilians.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 17:43 #
semirza
Moderator

Real men are fighting Americans. Mercenaries are responsible of all terrorist acts within Pakistan - by locally harvested terrorists and trained by mercenaries or by mercenaries themselves dressed as..you know what I mean.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 17:49 #
barackosama
Member

Whatever Pakhtuns have been doing for centuries, it is about time they reevaluate their long standing, insane and primitive traditions. The threat they face today is more profound since the times of Alexander and the British Raj. Beside the chivalric customs, the social customs (one of which is that a grand-dad feeds drugs to his toddler grand-kids) need to be looked at, as how rest of the people view them. At the end of the day, they are "Pathans" to other people, a word with far deeper connotation than simple racial. I hope at Jirgas they are not too obstinate now as they are expected to be, may be it is worth discussing whether harboring Arabs and other ethnic fighters cause them a bit havoc. Any other talk would be shabby. It is the epic battle between the Neanderthals and the Cro-magnons and there are plenty of caves at FATA.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 18:02 #
semirza
Moderator

This is their way of life. Unchanged and will remain so. I think they should be left at peace in their country (Afghanistan) and areas in FATA.

They have not been part of any attack on any country. But theirs was attacked and occupied. I have all my sympathies with them. As freedom fighters they have a right to free their country from occupation.

As for the terrorists active inside Pakistan. They do not hold a chance in front of our army. Mullah Omar has disowned them and so have others. They are a creation aiming to destabilize Pakistan.

One may call them with any name but for me they are anti Pakistan and therefore terrorists.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 18:16 #
barackosama
Member

That's the problem. Nobody can be left alone in confinements of a country, certainly a population of more than 20 Millions, not! If they were like native American Indians, Aussie Aborigine or Amish, nobody would bother them. But it is obvious their style of living affects not only Pakistan but other continents. Egyptians have their version of Pashtuns, the Saeedis, but no issues there. Come out clean, leave drugs, leave weapons, uphold law of the country you belong to and integrate in Pakistan. Nobody has problem with nobody. When Pashtunism is first, everything else comes later, then you will find few eyes rolling.

Any Western embassy of Pakistan is full of Afghani applicants, seeking Pakistani assistance to travel, yet they start blaming Pakistan upfront for the mayhem in Afghanistan after Zahir Shah. How ungrateful!

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 18:35 #
aftab arif
Member

We condemn innocent's dying which is fine but on the other side we allow innocent people to be killed by drones.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 19:04 #
nota
Member

@aftab
But, but, but those are "precision" drone strikes that are "100% accurate" and kill only "foreign millitants/terrorists/taliban scum", don't you know! :-P

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 19:08 #
aftab arif
Member

@ nota

That is the hypocrisy that i don't like and i am against, women, children or innocent people living in the vicinity of militants should not be taken out like that either by drones or any other military hardware, that's just plain wrong.

Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jul 2010 19:15 #