Islam forbids thinking and questioning?

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hkbajwa
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that's hardly a "maricel". One can actually see the cable on which its being pulled up. It's just the low resolution of the camera beings used that is blurring out the image of the cable.

Posted 1 year ago on 17 Aug 2010 10:22 #
LifeH2O
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@hkbajwa
Super soldier is very strong in beliefs. I wish if you have not commented.
If super solider become skeptic about this video, i can show some other more faith full miracles videos.
Those who believe without questioning and evidences must not find any ropes or other tricks in the video.

@Super Soldier

Do you underestimate the Power of Allah?

I can not even think of it.

To prove/accept Him or His power, i don't need any so called miracles. Our existence is enough to prove/accept Him.

About above verse: you are the one who accept one part of Quran and divert from another. I have shown you the meaning of word mutawafeek (in Jesus death discussion) in other verses and take the same meaning in because they fit the sentence. Allah says He never goes against His rules. He has cleared the death and birth of humans in Quran. Saying that all Prophets are alive is denial of their humanity and/or the rules of Birth and Death told by Quran

What about the video above?

Posted 1 year ago on 17 Aug 2010 19:09 #
fayyaz214
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life H2O, a question .. in Quran Allah (SWT) says that he does not change his Sunnah. But sometimes we may not have clear understanding of his Sunnah. As an example, was virgin birth of Hazrat Eisa, a veriation from His Sunnah or a very infrequent occurance of his Sunnah. Thoughts?

Reason, I believe that Hazrat Eisa has passed away like any other prophet is because in my opinion (may Allah help me correct it if it is wrong), Quran is pretty clear that he died a natural death and I have shared my arguements with respect to this here

Posted 1 year ago on 17 Aug 2010 20:09 #
fayyaz214
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sorry for the wrong link above .. here is the correct link

http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/jesusas-died-natural-death/page/2#post-169784

Posted 1 year ago on 17 Aug 2010 20:11 #
raheb
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There is NO Miracles in Islam. Islam came to make people REALISTIC, as it was very common in Pre-Islamic time that people believe on such unrealistic stupid theories. Just that's why when a Prophet been send to people, the people asked HIM that if you are a Prophet then show us a magic or miracle. Every prophet replied that I am a human being like you and have no knowledge of such things even such things do not exist.
Probably only "miracle" unfortunately is there that there are still exist people who believe on such unrealistic fairytales although Islam came more than 1400 years ago to teach and make realistic.... and some of them exist on this forum..... read and just enjoy and laugh as they are themselves "miracles" in negative sense.

raheb

Posted 1 year ago on 17 Aug 2010 22:38 #
alirazaster
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miracles ARE realistic

http://www.aulia-e-hind.com/dargah/Amroha.htm

islam discourages 'maayusi' and encourages dua and hope!
dont u pray in situations where you feel that the matter is completely out of hand? is dua 'unrealistic' under such situations?

this realistic and unrealistic theory is crap
Allah can grant miracles to anybody He wants... there is nothing impossible for Him

Posted 1 year ago on 17 Aug 2010 23:31 #
shafiq12
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My Friend LIFE

What about the video above?

I Can't say nothing, It may be true or it may not be

Because I have not seen with my own eyes.

Its the media

I give u simple example, suppose if a man from 200 year ago live today than can u tell me what he says about this Video,

Posted 1 year ago on 18 Aug 2010 6:35 #
LifeH2O
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@fyaaz
I always wonder if He (Hazrat Eesa) was to born as a miracle
Why he came through a mother?
Why he grew up and become aged?
If that birth was a "virgin birth" what about other Prohpets including Muhammad (PBUH). They all married and born normally.

They all should have a "virgin birth" to make a difference with us, the bad human beings.

@Sar
What is strange about this video?

@SS
I just wanted your comments.
The video i shared was illusion and a try to fool people like you. See it again, there were three ropes visible on the path of that travling minar.

Are trying to say that you are a man from 200 years ago??

Matrix is my most favorite movie.
A person 200 years ago was so narrow minded that many simple things would be a miracle for them. Time by time we got knowledge and become more educated to differentiate b/w the reality.

What do you say about these videos?

Computer graphics are much advanced these days.

Here are two very special things

http://paranormal.about.com/library/bl_floating_rock_lg.htm
http://unmyst3.blogspot.com/2008/09/giant-skeleton.html

What do you say?

Posted 1 year ago on 18 Aug 2010 18:04 #
alirazaster
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@lifeh20
http://www.aulia-e-hind.com/dargah/Amroha.htm

it was made at the darha of hazrat shahwilayat
s sufi saint in amroha, india... he was a descendent of Rasool and spead islam in india
scorprios dont sting on the premises of his darga! but if u take them out of the premises they will!

Posted 1 year ago on 18 Aug 2010 19:15 #
LifeH2O
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@sar rizvi
Whos spirtual power is working in these videos?

more here
http://youtu.be/geYG0QjoHG8
http://youtu.be/x0u15l66u8E
http://youtu.be/cX0wUaNIblk

there may be some snakes in another darbaar that dont bite people.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 19:20 #
Not Possible
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How can you possibly say there are no miracles in Islam? Have you even read the Quran? Have you not seen how Allah in Quran has described the miracles he granted to his Ambia? If the word of Allah and Quran is not enough for you what is?

The miracles of Hazrat Ibrahim, Hazrat Nooh, Hazrat Moosa, Hazrat Essa, Rasool Allah(SAW) are all described there. Those who believe Hazrat Essa (Muslims call him that) died a natural death are not muslim, they are not even Christians but they are Jews. So this topic can only be instilled as another Zionist propaganda amongst Our midst.

The miracle of ashab-e-kaif, Hazrat Essa being lifted to heavens its all in the Quran. Badar was a miracle, splitting of the moon was a miracle but above all Miraj and Islam,Itself are the biggest miracles of Allah and his Rasool Allah(SAW).

Though rare the miracles of the mystical nature still occur but the miracles are due to the power of faith, belief and human mental strength. I need no mystical miracles to prove Islam to myself, for me life itself is the miracle of Allah, I see miracles is our daily affairs of life, in how human beings, the good ones, treat each other, the evolution of men, our progress sciences and technology... of how much we have achieved with our minds, of feats that we accomplish now that would have only been seen miracles in the past …that,,, that very human achievement is a miracle for me. .

Mystical miracles were for humans of a less evolved age from the time where the rising of the sun used to mystify him. It doesn’t mystify anymore but its still a miracle in all the science we know. I see miracles all around me. Problem is your are not looking hard enough or your looking too hard, or you’re looking for the wrong kind of miracles. Evolve to the level humanity has and you will understand the miracles of this age.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 Aug 2010 23:30 #
LifeH2O
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To EVERYONE who feel pleasant to stamp and label (qadiyani, shia, zionist etc..) before giving answer,
Please stop answering and decide a permanent label for yourself.

Discussion is going to off topic here, please move to http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/jesusas-died-natural-death/page/2?replies=90#post-170880

or it should be in a new thread.

My question was, what kind of questions i can ask and what kind of questions i can't? Why and how one question is conjecture and one is not?

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Aug 2010 0:14 #
fayyaz214
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LifeH2O, Quran is pretty clear that Hazrat Eisa was born from a Virgin Marry, as far as I understand. Am I mis-understanding Quran? Or are you asking whether Quran's story is Valid. Both of them are appropriate questions to ask. I just want to know which question you are asking so that I can try to asnwer the appropriate question.

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Aug 2010 2:59 #
shafiq12
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Life

I always wonder if He (Hazrat Eesa) was to born as a miracle
Why he came through a mother?
Why he grew up and become aged?
If that birth was a "virgin birth" what about other Prohpets including Muhammad (PBUH). They all married and born normally.

We the Muslims just like the Christians believe that Mary gave birth to Jesus as a virgin, and not the result of sexual intercourse. Both us and the Christians agree that this was a mighty miracle and sign from God, however so the differences between us and the Christian arise when we discuss why the virgin birth was done, both of us have different reasons, and in this article I shall talk about why Allah choose to carry out such a great miracle.

To begin with, here are the relevant passages from the Quran:

003.045

YUSUFALI: Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;

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YUSUFALI: "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."

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YUSUFALI: She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!

Ibn Kathir's tafsir writes:

Delivering the Good News to Maryam of
, and he was. This is the meaning of Allah's statement (about Yahya)

[?????????? ?????????? ????? ???????](Believing in the Word from Allah.) [3:39], according to the majority of the scholars.

[??????? ?????????? ?????? ????? ????????](His name will be Al-Masih,
Isa was called "Al-Masih'' (the Messiah) because when he touched (Mash) those afflicted with an illness, they would be healed by Allah's leave. Allah's statement,

[?????? ????? ????????]
Isa to his mother, because he did not have a father.

[???????? ??? ?????????? ????????????? ?????? ???????????????](Held in honor in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah.) meaning, he will be a leader and honored by Allah in this life, because of the Law that Allah will reveal to him, sending down the Scripture to him, along with the other bounties that Allah will grant him with.

Isa was Created Without a Father

When Maryam heard the good news that the angels conveyed from Allah, she said;

[????? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????? ?????? ??????????? ??????]("O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me.'')

Mary said, "How can I have a son while I did not marry, nor intend to marry, nor am I an indecent woman, may Allah forbid'' The angel conveyed to Maryam, Allah's answer,

[???????? ??????? ???????? ??? ???????](So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills.)

He is Mighty in power and nothing escapes His ability. Allah used the word

does' as in the tale about Zakariyya [3:40], to eradicate any evil thought concerning
Isa)

After Allah, the Exalted, mentioned the story of Zakariyya, and that He blessed him with a righteous, purified and blessed child even in his old age while his wife was barren, He then mentions the story of Maryam. Allah informs of His granting her a child named
Imran and Al-Anbiya'. Allah has mentioned these stories to show His servants His ability, the might of His authority and that He has power over all things. Allah says,

[????????? ??? ?????????? ????????](And mention in the Book, Maryam,) She was Maryam bint
Imran, and that she (Maryam's mother) dedicated her freely for the service of Allah. This meant that she dedicated the child (Maryam) to the service of the Masjid of the Sacred House (in Jerusalem). Thus, they (Zakariyya, Maryam's mother and Maryam) were similar in that aspect.

[?????????????? ???????? ????????? ?????? ???????????? ???????? ???????](So her Lord (Allah) accepted her with goodly acceptance. He made her grow in a good manner.)[3:37] Thus, Maryam was raised among the Children of Israel in an honorable way. She was one of the female worshippers, well-known for her remarkable acts of worship, devotion and perseverance. She lived under the care of her brother-in-law, Zakariyya, who was a Prophet of the Children of Israel at that time. He was a great man among them, whom they would refer to in their religious matters. Zakariyya saw astonishing miracles occur from her that amazed him.

[???????? ?????? ????????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ???????? ??????? ????? ????????? ?????? ???? ?????? ??????? ???? ???? ????? ??????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ??????? ???????? ???????](Every time Zakaiyya entered the Mihrab to (visit) her, he found her supplied with sustenance. He said: "O Maryam! From where have you got this'' She said, "This is from Allah.'' Verily, Allah provides to whom He wills, without limit.) [3:37] It has been mentioned that he would find her with winter fruit during the summer and summer fruit during the winter. This has already been explained in Surah Al

Isa, one of the five Great Messengers.

[?????????? ???? ????????? ???????? ?????????](she withdrew in seclusion from her family to place facing east.) [19:16] This means that she withdrew from them and secluded herself from them. She went to the eastern side of the Sacred Masjid (in Jerusalem). It is reported from Ibn
Isa as their direction of worship.'' Concerning Allah's statement,

[???????????? ??? ???????? ????????](She placed a screen before them;) This means that she hid herself from them and concealed herself. Then, Allah sent Jibril to her.

[??????????? ????? ??????? ????????](and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects.) [19:17] This means that he came to her in the form of a perfect and complete man. Mujahid, Ad-Dahhak, Qatadah, Ibn Jurayj, Wahb bin Munabbih and As-Suddi all commented on Allah's statement,

[????????????? ????????? ????????](then We sent to her Our Ruh,) "It means Jibril.''

[??????? ?????? ??????? ?????????????? ????? ??? ????? ???????? ](She said: "Verily, I seek refuge with the Most Gracious from you, if you do fear Allah.'') This means that when the angel (Jibril) appeared to her in the form of a man, while she was in a place secluded by herself with a partition between her and her people, she was afraid of him and thought that he wanted to rape her. Therefore, she said,

[?????? ??????? ?????????????? ????? ??? ????? ????????](Verily, I seek refuge with the Most Gracious from you, if you do fear Allah.) She meant, "If you fear Allah,'' as a means of reminding him of Allah. This is what is legislated in defense against (evil), so that it may be repulsed with ease. Therefore, the first thing she did was try to make him fear Allah, the Mighty and Sublime. Ibn Jarir reported from
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I am only a messenger from your Lord, to provide to you the gift of a righteous son.'

[??????? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????](She said: "How can I have a son...'') This means that Maryam was amazed at this. She said, "How can I have a son'' She said this to mean, "In what way would a son be born to me when I do not have a husband and I do not commit any wicked acts (i.e. fornication)'' For this reason she said,

[?????? ??????????? ?????? ?????? ???? ????????](when no man has touched me, nor am I Baghiyya) The Baghiyy is a female fornicator. For this reason, a Hadith has been reported prohibiting the money earned from Baghiyy.

[????? ???????? ????? ??????? ???? ??????? ???????](He said: "Thus said your Lord:
Isa. He caused Isa, the son of Maryam, held in honor in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah. And he will speak to the people, in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous.) [3:45-46] This means that he will call to the worship of his Lord in his cradle and while and adult. Concerning His statement,

[??????? ??????? ???????????](and it is a matter (already) decreed (by Allah).) This is the completion of Jibril's dialogue with Maryam. He informed her that this matter was preordained by Allah's power and will. Muhammad bin Ishaq said,

[??????? ??????? ???????????](and it is a matter (already) decreed (by Allah).) "This means that Allah determined to do this, so there is no avoiding it.''

So as you see, the virgin birth was to signify a mighty sign for the people, and it also showed Allah's strength and power, his perfect strength and power.

So hence if anyone ever asks you why did Allah wish to carry out a virgin birth for Jesus, then respond to him by these answers which I have just given you. This is the Islamic reason to why the virgin birth was carried out, and is a consensus among Islamic scholarship.

And may Allah continue to send us mighty miracles! Ameen

(Brother Sami Zaatari)

I just wanted your comments.
The video i shared was illusion and a try to fool people like you. See it again, there were three ropes visible on the path of that travling minar.

I gave u the comment it may be true or it may not be

and about Matrix, i am telling u the camera work which is looking as real, So we can blindly believe on Media.

Can u please tell me

1. DO u have meet the eyes witness of This vidoe

2. Do u have seen it with ur own eyes

3. How can u explain this that it is not a Camera Work?

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Aug 2010 5:39 #
LifeH2O
Member

Can u please tell me

1. DO u have meet the eyes witness of This vidoe

2. Do u have seen it with ur own eyes

3. How can u explain this that it is not a Camera Work?

Which video you are talking about?

The video of Octupus is real.
The video of Girl was an old hoax that was exposed.
The images of floating rock and giant skeleton are computer generated.
The minaar miracle video is fake too, see it again.
Matrix, well it was a movie. Most of the work is done with computers.

Which video was not a camera work? Scorpions? It was not a camera work because it happens + in video it does not look like it was unreal.

My question was, what kind of questions i can ask and what kind of questions i can't? Why and how one question is conjecture and one is not?

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Aug 2010 22:12 #
alirazaster
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lifeh2o

http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/animals/scorpions_are_major_cause_of_death.htm

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Aug 2010 11:30 #
alirazaster
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how many people have u seen doing such kind of stunts?
these stunts are usually done for commercial purposes and are depicted as REAL... doing it in a mall, where a lot of brands can market themselves, people can be easily targeted at such areas
we have 'saperas' in our culture, who play music for cobras and cobras dance on their tunes... i m sure u know that those cobras are not venomous, something is done to them so that they stop producing venom.. their glands are removed or something like that is done....
u can search for clips of national geographic documentaries on youtube or articles about it

the above link that i posted says that those scorpions werent venomous and can only cause little or no pain... out of 15000 scorpio species, only about 20-25 are fatal.

coming back to sufi shahwilayat's darga, its not like they have pet scorpios there... one can take his own venomous scorpio there and release it to see that it wont sting anyone.. and people also borrow scorpions with a promise to return them after certain time... during that period, the scorpions dont bite
my parents have been to this darga and they have hold venomous scorpions in there hands too

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Aug 2010 11:44 #
shafiq12
member

LIFE H20

First of All let me see what are ur Comments on these,

Are these Miracle according to U??

The net is full of these videos what do u want to prove

Please tell which is more dangerous

Posted 1 year ago on 23 Aug 2010 9:13 #
LifeH2O
Member

@sar Rizvi, SS

Everything that glitters is not gold, there is another reason for it glittering.

Same here. These are surely the tricks. not the miracles. I and many other normal persons can't even think of doing this so it is a miracle for us (literally).

My question was, what kind of questions i can ask and what kind of questions i can't? Why and how one question is conjecture and one is not?

Posted 1 year ago on 23 Aug 2010 10:35 #
shafiq12
member

LIFE

Everything that glitters is not gold, there is another reason for it glittering.

So why u think ur glittering thing is gold, Please tell me how do u have gold. Show the authenticy

You can ask any question

But not this type of Question

1. How he was lifed

2. Where is he now
.........................

Posted 1 year ago on 23 Aug 2010 10:38 #
LifeH2O
Member

So why u think ur glittering thing is gold, Please tell me how do u have gold. Show the authenticy

It is a proven and accepted fact.

But not this type of Question

1. How he was lifed

2. Where is he now

You are specifically talking about Hazrat Eesa (AS), what about other questions?

Posted 1 year ago on 23 Aug 2010 11:09 #
shafiq12
member

i specifically advised u to stop ur conjecture about ISA (A.s). I didn't stop u from question and at Last u started posting Videos from Net. U didn't even prove me how Jesus (a.s) was Dead?

Posted 1 year ago on 23 Aug 2010 11:18 #
LifeH2O
Member

You mean to say that only questions about Jesus are conjecture? right?

U didn't even prove me how Jesus (a.s) was Dead?

I can't. Until you prove that He is alive.

Posted 1 year ago on 23 Aug 2010 21:06 #
raheb
Member

Where Knowledge gives up, the torch is passad on to faith.
The FIRST moral act is to think or focus the mind, and The FIRST act if Evil is to REFUSE to think.

raheb

Posted 1 year ago on 23 Aug 2010 22:07 #
alirazaster
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no, they are not miracles

and if u go back to my previous comments, u'll find that i never said that asking questions is prohibbited... islam is based on logic.. everything it says has a reason behind it... its just that common people can not always realize it but can only try to find it out... and thats what we must do instead of blindly doing what the mullah manipulates

and i dont know this conjecture stuff... ask SS... he is the one who brought it up

and yes, everything that glitters is not gold... and there are things which do not 'glitter' but are gold

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Aug 2010 2:37 #
shafiq12
member

I can't. Until you prove that He is alive.

See the whole thread

especialy this reply

Jesus Alive! Alive! Alive!

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Aug 2010 8:17 #
LifeH2O
Member

@SS please discuss about Jesus in that specific thread. Till now the questions about Jesus miracle are conjecture only. You told me that Conjecture is forbidden. I asked you the definition and people here are confused themselves on the meanings of Conjecture.

Simple and easier way to tell about which type of questioning and thinking is forbidden in Islam and which type is allowed, is to give example questions/thoughts that can be asked and the questions that can not be asked.

Posted 1 year ago on 24 Aug 2010 20:24 #