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  1. Islamic finance spreads in Nigeria

    September 7, 2011

    Lagos, Nigeria - Home to some 70 million Muslims, Nigeria is stepping up efforts to capitalize on the growing popularity of the one of the world's fastest-growing financial sectors: Islamic banking.

    Earlier this year the Central Bank of Nigeria announced a final set of regulations which introduced Islamic banking to the country.

    CNN's Christian Purefoy discussed the sector's potential with Hajara Adeola, managing director of Lotus Capital, one of the groups helping to pave the way for Islamic finance in Nigeria.

    Adeola says there is a growing appetite for this form of banking.

    "It is working in Nigeria and there is a lot of interest in doing Islamic banking, in West Africa in particular," she says.

    Spread across the Middle East and other parts of the world, a slew of Islamic financial institutions have been offering interest-free services that advocates say can provide a more sustainable alternative to conventional banking practices.

    The industry, which exists in more than 50 countries, is estimated to be worth around $1 trillion and has the potential to eventually be worth $5 trillion, according to ratings agency Moody's.

    Charging and paying interest is not allowed in Islamic finance because it is prohibited under Sharia law. Instead, if a bank is providing finance for an infrastructure project, for example, the bank and customer agree to share the risk of investment and divide any earnings.

    You would have to somehow employ that money into productive use and then you can earn a return on that money.

    Hajara Adeola, Lotus Capital "One of the most well known (principles) is the lack of interest or usury, so you can't own a return simply for having money -- which is what interest is," Adeola says. "You would have to somehow employ that money into productive use and then you can earn a return on that money."

    Islamic banks are not allowed to trade in financial risk areas or deal in mortgage-backed securities or credit-default swaps. Investing in Islamically unacceptable businesses such as alcohol and cigarette makers, casinos and adult-entertainment companies is also forbidden.

    In June, Jaiz Bank International became the first group to be allowed to open a Shariah-compliant bank in Nigeria after gaining an approval in principal from the country's Central Bank.

    Adeola believes Nigeria has the potential to become one of the largest Islamic banking sectors in the world.

    "It is a huge market," she says. "There's about 70 million Muslims in Nigeria. Research shows approximately 30% of the Muslim population typically would be interested in Islamic finance and if you look at the projection they made for the size of the market, it is really quite tremendous -- and that's just the domestic."

    But the Central Bank's decision has met opposition from some Christian leaders in Nigeria, who argue that the move could increase religious violence in a country whose population is almost evenly divided between Muslims and Christians.

    According to a VOA news report in mid-July, the Christian Association of Nigeria said the introduction of Islamic banking could stir up religious tensions at a time when security forces are fighting Islamic fundamentalists who want an independent state in northern Nigeria ruled by Islamic law.

    But Adeola says that Islamic finance is not a threat and can appeal to the country's Christian community as well its Muslims.

    "Islamic finance is universal," she says. "There is nothing about it that offends anyone or offends their faith or their principles. If anything, there are many Christians who like to invest with us because it's also in line with their own ethical values."

    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/07/business/islamic-banking-nigeria/?hpt=hp_c2

    Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 19:42 #
  2. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    MG, Thanks for the article.

    It should be eye opener for the rest of the Muslims who are still under the yoke of Ribah based systems.

    But one question comes to mind. How sucessful will it be in the long run when all other systems other than finance are still unislamic/secular? Islam has to be applied in totality and not piece meal basis. We cannot pick and choose.

    Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 19:49 #
  3. AR, You make a wholly valid point about picking and choosing as to which part of Islam we are going to apply and which part not. Still, I think it's a bold move on the part of Nigeria and should be duly respected. Specially since NATO has already given hints that Nigeria might be also a candidate for some Libya-style treatment.

    As to your question, what step comes after the financial system has been given some coherence with Islamic principles?, I really don't know. But whichever way it turns out, AR, I get the feeling more and more that we are coming closer to Islamic governance rather than drifting further away from it. Everything will now depend on how fast the west collapses.

    Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 20:24 #
  4. @MG
    I read somewhere that Islamic Banks in pakistan say that they do not work on profit (sood), but infact they do the same by some other means. In short they are no different from other banks.

    Are the banks of Nigeria doing the same?

    Also an MBA friend told me that to keep the value of money at same level with time, profit is must. Otherwise you can store money as Gold. Don't know much about it.

    Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 20:27 #
  5. kulla
    Member

    just off topic but maybe relevant...

    Prince Edward Island (PEI a v v small provice of Canada).. the Liberal candidate running for provincial elections are saying they will make Students Loans for education interest free in PEI.....

    Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 20:28 #
  6. Life, thanks for your interest. Actually, AR might be better placed to answer your questions than I am myself. But here's what little I do know. The banks of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan are hardly the best examples of the Islamic Banking System. They work according to a system of fixed gains (munafa), which is simply another way of practising usury. Money cannot be made out of money, we say.

    Now the banks of Nigeria, only recently founded, seem to have the right rhetoric. How they actually behave will become clearer only as we go along. What interested me about them was simply the timing of their move. I find it extremely brave of them, at this point in time, to be so open about their Islamic credentials.

    kulla, absolutely correct. Student loans should be absolutely interest-free in every part of the world. Only money sharks would be after the youth of their country as a source of future gain. BTW: We are often told this will be the next great area of default in the US and, also, we know this is one type of loan which cannot be defaulted on under law, whereas a bank can get away with blue murder without any any legal consequences whatsoever.

    Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 22:34 #
  7. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    LifeH20,

    I know many banks claim to follow Shariah principles and refrain from Riba and call it profit. There is a transformatin in place and it is only beginning. I know in America we have some financials institutions that claim to follow the riba free transactions. And most have shown on their official web sites a page with signatures and declarations from leading Islamic scholars from Muslim world including Taqi Usmani from Pakistan. I don't know if banks in Pakistan are following the same process.

    Posted 8 months ago on 08 Sep 2011 23:01 #
  8. @MG thanks for the answer, and indeed the most prominent thing is their brave timing. We might get a 'pure' Islamic version of banking in Nigeria.

    @AR
    You might be able to help here, Are they correct when they say that profit (the money we get on our saved amount in bank) is not 'sood' as it just equates the current value of money?

    Posted 8 months ago on 09 Sep 2011 16:13 #
  9. saladin89
    Member

    alhamdullilah may Allah help the nigerians to achieve there islamic system of banking.......

    Inshallah Pakistan will be following them as well very soon....

    Posted 8 months ago on 09 Sep 2011 16:17 #
  10. kulla
    Member

    The concept of islamic finance can only be understood and applied if we understand the depth of our deen and follow it correctly.

    Disclaimer: Currently imho there are many flaws in the way banks in Pakistan or abroad are diong islamic banking while many are trying hard and are in the correct path so we cant label everyone good or bad.

    ---

    Im not a scholar and i surely cant comment and give details but from my understanding the "transaction/contract" has to be halal.

    eg. Difference between the action of zina and that of a relationship between a husband and a wife, is the actual halal contract of Nikah.

    Ribba and Profits are different, and in Quran we know that it is called out that way. If the contract is halal based on the principles of Islam then, profit is profit and it is halal.

    As muslims we do have to understand the deen in depth, do our research on this finance topic before we make decisions on our invetsments and finances. There is a lot of gray and confusion, and however we must try to do what we can to remain ribba free.

    Posted 8 months ago on 09 Sep 2011 16:24 #
  11. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    LifeH20,

    Leading financials banks make it known to their customers that they have Shariah compliant investments. They do it through brochures, company web sites, and generally have a Shariah Board.

    Below is excerpt from a lenghty article on this link.

    http://islamiccenter.kau.edu.sa/7iecon/Ahdath/Con06/_pdf/Vol2/53%20Elmi%20M%20Nur%20RIBA%20Vs%20PROFIT.pdf

    According to fiqh scholars profit is a justified increase which is usually generated through exchange of two goods while, riba occurs either in the same thing or commodity to be returned with an increase. It is important to note that the most profound explanations were presented by the great jurist, al-Imam Al- Sarakhsi in clear and comprehensive manner. According to his interpretation, riba
    is an incremental magnitude or additional value over its original principal stipulated in bay[, (Sarakhsi, in al-Mabsut, 1324 H.). As far as, the literal interpretations of both terms are concerned, we find closely related connotations; excess, growth, increase or surplus etc. Riba is regarded as an increase or excess over principal or, more precisely, a stipulated surplus on debt. In modern economic theory, profit is also seen as a surplus or residual value over contractual payments or simply the difference between revenue and costs. Even in the domain of risk and uncertainty profit is regarded as a residual value that arises from the difference between actual and expected incomes.

    There is a general agreement among fiqh scholars that riba is based onexchange or sale regardless of its nature in deferred or spot transaction. This reduces riba squarely in the domain of exchange. Similarly, the available juristic
    teachings explain profit in its literal context as a growth or increase to a thing by trading. More technically profit is defined as the increase in the value of assets
    actually realized in exchange. Therefore, both riba and profit are excess claims through exchange. Nevertheless, despite these closely similar features of these
    most confused elements we have a given revealed fact that “And Allah has permitted sale (profit) and prohibited riba"(Qur’an, 2:276). On the basis of these
    teachings, profit and riba must be two inherently separate concepts in economic point of view with necessarily distinctive sources of origin.

    Posted 8 months ago on 09 Sep 2011 21:05 #
  12. baghi sipahi
    Member

    WHat about violation of human rights in Nigeria?There are million types of other economic. exploitations other than interest.What alternative is available to a student to continue his education,a poor man man to marry his daughters by obtainig loan without interest?Iam a PhD in Islamic economics and please note there is nothing Islamic in it.

    Posted 8 months ago on 11 Sep 2011 0:27 #
  13. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    Could someone give me an example of a bank following what is being described here that whoever invests or uses their services will make profit if the bank has positive gain and will take plunge for vice versa. Just name any bank in the world, I will be grateful.

    Also this is excerpt from the initial post:
    Islamic banks are not allowed to trade in financial risk areas or deal in mortgage-backed securities or credit-default swaps. Investing in Islamically unacceptable businesses such as alcohol and cigarette makers, casinos and adult-entertainment companies is also forbidden.

    If mortgage-backed securities are not allowed in Islam, would someone care to tell me why Taqi Usmani of Dar-ul-Uloom is backing the deal. Obviously he has gained 'profit' in the deal, so not only hs backing is haram but what he has gained as 'Return on Fatwa' is also haram. As I am sure it wouldn't be a one-time deal, every house that is mortgaged in North America under the fatwa would have brought him solid profit for lets say 'till maturity of term'. The last time I checked, it was a 5-years term like regular financing. And whoever mortgages their property has to pay money on the original amount just like they are supposed to pay the interest to the bank.

    Posted 8 months ago on 11 Sep 2011 0:37 #
  14. Jutt kharak
    Member

    Nigeria is also one of the most corrupt and inept countries in the World. Do not believe anything coming out of this sinkhole.

    The best Banking is that is fair , honest, well-audited and under control of a democratic structure where officials are answerable to the public.

    Rest is just fake Religiosity that is going to ruin your superstitious mind and your so-called Islamic finances.

    Posted 8 months ago on 11 Sep 2011 2:10 #
  15. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    These shameless mullas have found a loophole that is as follow:
    Some Islamic banks charge for the time value of money, the common economic definition of Interest (Riba). These institutions are criticized in some quarters of the Muslim community for their lack of strict adherence to Sharia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking

    Posted 8 months ago on 11 Sep 2011 3:54 #
  16. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    According to this other website, there is another spin they are putting on residential mortgage: Rent. These opportunists are telling consumers that it is the rent on property
    THE BASIS OF USING A PERCENTAGE
    While it may appear contrary to the Sharia, it is in fact acceptable to describe the profit on an Islamic transaction as a percentage. The following example should clear up any confusion regarding the acceptability of quoting the profit as a percentage in an Ijara transaction:
    Suppose you have a $100,000 in cash.
    You purchase a home and pay cash for the home.
    You rent the home to a tenant for $500 per month
    At the end of the year you have collected $500 x 12 or $6,000 in rent
    That $6,000 in rent is a 6% return on your $100,000 investment
    Is that 6% Rent or Riba? well it is clearly it is Rent, as it is based upon a business transaction. Now let's look at a traditional mortgage interest transaction:
    Starting with the same $100,000 cash.
    You give someone the money.
    They proceed to purchase the same home with those funds.
    They pay you the same $500 per month, or 6% a year for use of the money.
    This is basically rent on money
    In this case is the 6% Riba? yes, it is rent on money. The first example was rent on property. So it should be clear that from a Sharia perspective it is acceptable to describe the profit on an Islamic Ijara transaction as a percentage. Furthermore, it is also a requirement under the Truth in Lending Act/Consumer Protection Act, that any profit earned on a residential real estate finance transaction should be described as a percentage so that a customer can clearly understand what the overall cost of the finance transaction is.

    http://www.ijaracanada.com/?p=20

    Posted 8 months ago on 11 Sep 2011 3:56 #
  17. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    Now they offer Halal Credit cards, can someone enlightens me how it is different than regular when you are paying $20 for signup and $30 for activation:
    http://www.ifreedomplus.com/

    This scam is a spin on prepaid credit cards.

    Also isn't that some credit cards charges people a yearly fees so in this case, they have charged $25/year already as the card has an expiry of two years.

    Posted 8 months ago on 11 Sep 2011 4:03 #
  18. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    Now here is the cake, posted by UM Financial in Canada:
    http://www.umfinancial.com/index.php?page=content&pid=53

    Islamic Finance
    Excerpt from An Introduction to Islamic Finance by Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani:

    The Basic Difference between Capitalist and Islamic Economy

    Islam does not deny the market forces and market economy. Even the profit motive is acceptable to a reasonable extent. Private ownership is not totally negated. Yet, the basic difference between capitalist and Islamic economy is that in secular capitalism, the profit motive or private ownership are given unbridled power to make economic decisions. Their liberty is not controlled by any divine injunctions. If there are some restrictions, they are imposed by human beings and are always subject to change through democratic legislation, which accepts no authority of any super-human power. This attitude has allowed a number of practices which cause imbalances in the society. Interest, gambling, speculative transactions tend to concentrate wealth in the hands of the few. Unhealthy human instincts are exploited to make money through immoral and injurious products. Unbridled profit making creates monopolies which paralyse the market forces or, at least, hinder their natural operation. Thus the capitalist economy which claims to be based on market forces, practically stops the natural process of supply and demand, because these forces can properly work only in an atmosphere of free competition, and not in monopolies. It is sometimes appreciated in a secular capitalist economy that a certain economic activity is not in the interest of the society, yet, it is allowed to be continued because it goes against the interest of some influential circles who dominate the legislature on the strength of their majority. Since every authority beyond the democratic rule is totally denied and 'trust in God' (which is affirmed at the face of every U.S. dollar) has been practically expelled from the socio-economic domain, no divine guidance is recognized to control the economic activities.

    The evils emanating from this attitude can never be curbed unless humanity submits to the divine authority and obeys its commands by accepting them as absolute truth and super-human injunctions which should be followed in any case and at any price. This is exactly what Islam does. After recognizing private ownership, profit motive and market forces, Islam has put certain divine restrictions on the economic activities. These restrictions being imposed by Allah Almighty, Whose knowledge has no limits, cannot be removed by any human authority. The prohibition of riba (usury or interest), gambling, hoarding, dealing in unlawful goods or services, short sales and speculative transactions are some examples of these divine restrictions. All these prohibitions combined together have a cumulative effect of maintaining balance, distributive justice and equality of opportunities.

    Asset-backed Financing

    One of the most important characteristics of Islamic financing is that it is an asset-backed financing. The conventional / capitalist concept of financing is that the banks and financial institutions deal in money and monetary papers only. That is why they are forbidden, in most countries, from trading in goods and making inventories. Islam, on the other hand, does not recognize money as a subject-matter of trade, except in some special cases. Money has no intrinsic utility; it is only a medium of exchange; Each unit of money is 100% equal to another unit of the same denomination, therefore, there is no room for making profit through the exchange of these units inter se. Profit is generated when something having intrinsic utility is sold for money or when different currencies are exchanged, one for another. The profit earned through dealing in money (of the same currency) or the papers representing them is interest, hence prohibited. Therefore, unlike conventional financial institutions, financing in Islam is always based on illiquid assets which creates real assets and inventories.

    The real and ideal instruments of financing in Shari‘ah are musharakah and mudarabah. When a financier contributes money on the basis of these two instruments it is bound to be converted into the assets having intrinsic utility. Profits are generated through the sale of these real assets.

    Financing on the basis of salam and istisna‘ also creates real assets. The financier in the case of salam receives real goods and can make profit by selling them in the market. In the case of istisna, financing is effected through manufacturing some real assets, as a reward of which the financier earns profit.

    Financial leases and murabahah, as will be seen later in the relevant chapters, are not originally modes of financing. But, in order to meet some needs they have been reshaped in a manner that they can be used as modes of financing, subject to certain conditions, in those sectors where musharakah, mudarabah, salam or istisna‘ are not workable for some reasons. The instruments of leasing and murabahah are sometimes criticized on the ground that their net result is often the same as the net result of an interest-based borrowing. This criticism is justified to some extent, and that is why the Shari‘ah supervisory Boards are unanimous on the point that they are not ideal modes of financing and they should be used only in cases of need with full observation of the conditions prescribed by Shari‘ah. Despite all this, the instruments of leasing and murabahah, too, are fully backed by assets and financing through these instruments is clearly distinguishable from the interest-based financing on the following grounds.

    1. In conventional financing, the financier gives money to his client as an interest-bearing loan, after which he has no concern as to how the money is used by the client. In the case of murabahah, on the contrary, no money is advanced by the financier. Instead, the financier himself purchases the commodity required by the client. Since this transaction cannot be completed unless the client assures the financier that he wishes to purchase a commodity, therefore, murabahah is not possible at all, unless the financier creates inventory. In this manner, financing is always backed by assets.

    2. In the conventional financing system, loans may be advanced for any profitable purpose. A gambling casino can borrow money from a bank to develop its gambling business. A pornographic magazine or a company making nude films are as good customers of a conventional bank as a house-builder. Thus, conventional financing is not bound by any divine or religious restrictions. But the Islamic banks and financial institutions cannot remain indifferent about the nature of the activity for which the facility is required. They cannot effect murabahah for any purpose which is either prohibited in Shari‘ah or is harmful to the moral health of the society.

    3. It is one of the basic requirements for the validity of murabahah that the commodity is purchased by the financier which means that he assumes the risk of the commodity before selling it to the customer. The profit claimed by the financier is the reward of the risk he assumes. No such risk is assumed in an interest-based loan.

    4. In an interest bearing loan, the amount to be repaid by the borrower keeps on increasing with the passage of time. In murabahah, on the other hand, a selling price once agreed
    becomes and remains fixed. As a result, even if the purchaser (client of the Bank) does not pay on time, the seller (Bank) cannot ask for a higher price, due to delay in settlement of dues. This is because in Shari‘ah, there is no concept of time due of money.

    5. In leasing too, financing is offered through providing an asset having usufruct. The risk of the leased property is assumed by the lessor / financier throughout the lease period in the sense that if the leased asset is totally destroyed without any misuse or negligence on the part of the lessee, it is the financier/lessor who will suffer the loss.

    It is evident from the above discussion that every financing in an Islamic system creates real assets. This is true even in the case of murabahah and leasing, despite the fact that they are not believed to be ideal modes of financing and are often criticized for their being close to the interest-based financing in their net results. It is known, on the other hand, that interest-based financing does not necessarily create real assets, therefore, the supply of money through the loans advanced by the financial institutions does not normally match with the real goods and services produced in the society, because the loans create artificial money through which the amount of money supply is increased, and sometimes multiplied without creating real assets in the same quantity. This gap between the supply of money and production of real assets creates or fuels inflation. Since financing in an Islamic system is backed by assets, it is always matched with corresponding goods and services.

    Capital and Entrepreneur

    According to the capitalist theory, capital and entrepreneur are two separate factors of production. The former gets interest while the latter is entitled to profit. Interest is a fixed return for providing capital, while profit can be earned only when there is a surplus after distributing the fixed return to land, labour and capital (in the form of rent, wages and interest).

    Islam, on the contrary, does not recognize capital and entrepreneur as two separate factors of production. Every person who contributes capital (in the form of money) to a commercial enterprise assumes the risk of loss and therefore is entitled to a proportionate share in the actual profit. In this manner 'capital' has an intrinsic element of 'entrepreneurship', so far as the risk of the business is concerned. Therefore, instead of a fixed return as interest, it derives profit. The more the profit of the business, the higher the return on capital. In this way the profits generated by the commercial activities in the society are equitably distributed to all those persons who have contributed capital to the enterprise, however little it may be. Since in the context of the modern practice, it is the banks and financial institutions who provide capital to the commercial activities, out of the deposits made with them, the flow of the actual profits earned by the society may be directed towards the depositors in equitable proportions which may distribute wealth in a wider circle and may hamper concentration of wealth in the hands of the few.

    Here is Mufti sahab has made it halal with his own spin. It is same deal regardless you say rent they say interest. And what about the economy we are living in, isn't it all bases in interest even in Pakistan. So the person who is paying the 'rent' is also gaining that 'rent' money from some interest stricken source. He has called the other system is man-made, well guess what this system is also man-made with some fact twisting. Regardless what he decried it is still haram since it is contrary to the teachings and revelations.

    Posted 8 months ago on 11 Sep 2011 4:14 #
  19. From all the interesting things I learnt from the most recent postings, I have gathered one thing at least, i.e. Islamic banking is most definitely in its infancy and still has a long way to go before it claims to be what it should be, free from usury. Still, it's the intentions that count, let's say.

    And now to the political aspects of this particular topic. Nigeria is one of the biggest of the African countries, the richest in natural resources. It's population is no less than that of Pakistan, more or less evenly divided between Christians and Muslims. And as one blogger above, Jutt Kharak, put it, it's probably the most inefficient country in Africa, corruption rampant. Nigeria is the only place I know on God's earth where, once oil was discovered, the standard of living of the general population slipped even below what it used to be before.

    Nigeria is in the midst of an incipient civil war. It is also among the future targets of infamous NATO. In spite of all this, the Nigerians have been trying to strenthen their Muslim identity in many ways, banking being just one of them. Under Christian rule, the common man in Nigeria has suffered the tortures of the damned. It's about time the Nigerian Muslims were given a chance to make things easier for their countrymen.

    Posted 8 months ago on 11 Sep 2011 7:28 #
  20. baghi sipahi
    Member

    In one of the seminar on Islamic finance Prof Anis of JI confessed that salam,sukook,musharika etc were tribal ways of business in Arabian culture and these modes are called islamic because islam did not oppose these financial modes.Even the difference between usuary,Ribah and interest are not clear as the companions of Holy prophet(SAW)continued to obtain loans from Jews even after the declaration of interest as Haram.

    Posted 8 months ago on 11 Sep 2011 21:13 #
  21. ,Ribah and interest are not clear as the companions of Holy prophet(SAW)continued to obtain loans from Jews even after the declaration of interest as Haram

    Back it up with credible evidence!.....
    Islamic Finance spreads in Nigeria is a pain, and a real pain for ribah based financial institutions.

    Posted 8 months ago on 11 Sep 2011 22:22 #
  22. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    JI ande Anis are not the respresentatives of Islamic financial system.

    Ayat in Quran declares war from Allah and His Prophet SAS on those that indulge in Riba. Period. Islamic system prevailed for 1000 years until the onsluaght of colonial secular riba based economies. These days it is transition period and already Islamic financing is making spectacular headway both in Muslim and non Muslim countries after a lapse of few hundred years. A Canadian professor recently asked his countrymen to try the Shariah based riba free financial systems highlighting the point that old scriptures too frowned upon usury. The modern banking system applied cosmetics to the word usury and named it "interest". This was due to historically bad cannotation associated with the word usury . Remember Shylock the Jew, the Shakespearean character who indulged in usury.

    Don't make concocted lies about the great Sahaba RA indulging in Riba from Jews. Even if they took riba it was BEFORE the Ayat was revealed and not AFTER. It is tantamount to blasphemy to say they did engage in riba after the prohibition came. . There is vast difference between them and us. When the Ayats were revealed about prohibition of alcohol, riba, hijab and gambling etc the great Sahaba RA obeyed the command from the Creator instantly and right there. They never went into argument that let us take a last sip and then stop drinking, or they never said let us finish ongoing financial transation and then after its completion apply riba free transaction. They never debated that hijab was cultural or tribal. They obeyed and they implemented instantly unlike present day Sipahis.

    That kind of obeying of Allah's command led them to rule the world aqnd guide humanilty for 1000 years as beautifully depicted by Carly Fiorina, CEO of HP.

    There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.

    It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.

    One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

    And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.

    Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.

    When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

    While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

    Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Muslim mathematicians. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.

    And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.

    This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 1000 years of invention and prosperity.

    In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.

    Posted 8 months ago on 11 Sep 2011 22:23 #
  23. baghi sipahi
    Member

    Moderator
    When Prophet(SAW)was dying he asked Hazrat Ali to clear his loan to a Jew. Hazrat Ali gave his Zirah on lease (rehan)to pay the loan.(Sahih Bukhari and Muslim)

    Posted 8 months ago on 12 Sep 2011 5:03 #
  24. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Moderator, The clown is spreading fitna by blaphemous statements. The Prophet SAS was crystal clear in his farewell sermon that riba has been prohibited for the Ummah. If someone worked in MidEastern countries he/she know what is riba and what is qarz hasnah. I remember when a colleaque was killed in a accident, his relatives including father came to office immediately asking if he had owed any loans to anyone. Once they were satisfied he had no loans they went ahead and did the funeral. It should be remembered that Prophet SAS refused to pray janaza if someone had loans. So the loan that Prophet SAS owed DID NOT fall into the category of riba. How can we blame Prophet of indulging in riba after clear cut instruction in Quran and Hadith, unless we are kafirs? Useful links to learn about what constitutes riba.

    http://monzer.kahf.com/papers/english/Riba_as_described_in_the_Qur.pdf

    Although it cannot be accurately confirmed which amongst the Prophet’s (saws) armors was kept as a guarantee, it is reported that the Noble Prophet (saws) died in a state when one of his armors was pledged with a Jew as a guarantee for the foodstuff which the Prophet (saws) had taken from him to feed his family. Transaction with Jew does not mean riba.

    Hadith:(According to Ali): In a long story, there is mention of Jew in Medina who had loaned some money to Holy Prophet Mohammad (SAWS). Once the Jew harassed & did not let the Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) go home from the mosque for "Zuhar" or after-noon prayer till next day. The people were angry but the Prophet Mohammad
    (SAWS) forbade any transgression. The next day, the Jew declared his Islam & recited the Holy Kalimah (of shahadat) & admitted that he was only testing him & found him exactly as was foretold in the Torah (Old Testament of Bible). (Behiqi & Mishkat)

    Posted 8 months ago on 12 Sep 2011 7:09 #
  25. baghi sipahi
    Member

    @Abdul Rehman
    With due respect, just for my knowledge sake,how the muslims married ten/fifteen wives after four wives order in
    Quran.At the death of many prominent nobles in Makkah/Medins there were widows were 10/15?

    Posted 8 months ago on 12 Sep 2011 17:44 #
  26. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Brother inqilabi,

    Not at all. They may have more wives before the prohibition came. But after Quranic injuctions came about 4 wives, there was no one dared marry more than the stipulated number. Where are you getting those 10/15 numbers? Please provide source.That is wrong information and may have been concocted by enemies of Islam.

    Posted 8 months ago on 12 Sep 2011 17:52 #
  27. baghi sipahi
    Member

    Read all Islamic history books written by muslims.Your thinking is called wishful thinking--far from realities.You want to believe in theory . Tell me who pulled the beard of Hazrat Usman before his Shahadat?What was the dispute on Baghe fidak ?Who were the personalities conflicting with each other.

    Posted 8 months ago on 13 Sep 2011 0:20 #
  28. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Read all Islamic history books written by Muslims

    which Muslims? So called Muslims like Karzai or scholars for dollars and whirling derwishes like Tahirul Qadri or the clowns that weep and wail and call themselves Muslims?

    Posted 8 months ago on 13 Sep 2011 0:37 #
  29. baghi sipahi
    Member

    Then dig up the graves of those whom u think are the asli billi marka muslims

    Posted 8 months ago on 13 Sep 2011 1:23 #
  30. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    They don't have graves to begin with. So there is no digging. Graves belong to the grave worshipping clowns. Islam is simple my friend. So don't talk about buidling graves and monuments.

    Posted 8 months ago on 13 Sep 2011 1:52 #
  31. baghi sipahi
    Member

    Simple?Cite any matter on which there is no dispute.

    Posted 8 months ago on 13 Sep 2011 3:58 #
  32. @baghi sipahi
    kindly confine or limit your comments according to the thread topic that is Islamic Finance spreads in Nigeria.
    Your off topic comments will be removed from now onwards.

    Posted 8 months ago on 15 Sep 2011 17:40 #
  33. kulla
    Member

    baghi sipahi is just being a troll.. he doesnt have any facts or knowledgable information.. only speaking the propaganda he has been taught by his parents or the ppl he hangs out with.

    Posted 8 months ago on 15 Sep 2011 21:50 #
  34. kulla
    Member

    I think none of us are MBAs in islamic finance and shouldnt act like one either. there are many issues with many so called shariah based institutions, but many are also doing the right thing. Their model does adhere to shariah. I think the rent based model is the only ribba free model in NA for financing as it is truely ribba free... intsrest isnt just a % its more than that....

    AS i said earlier that the contract between two parties has to be truely halal. Rent based model by ISNA and others like it are halal but are expensive. That is the cost though....

    There are other examples as well for funds...again, not all funds and financing are halal but some are.. its a developing market and we need Phds in financing and in ISLAM to truely impliment ribba free economy.

    Posted 8 months ago on 15 Sep 2011 22:00 #

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