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Islamic scholar attacks Pakistan's blasphemy laws

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  1. khanseena1
    Member

    In the wake of Salmaan Taseer's murder, Javed Ahmad Ghamidi declares Islamic councils are "telling lies to the people"

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/20/islam-ghamidi-pakistan-blasphemy-laws

    A prominent Islamic scholar has launched a blistering attack on Pakistan's blasphemy laws, warning that failure to repeal them will only strengthen religious extremists and their violent followers.

    "The blasphemy laws have no justification in Islam. These ulema [council of clerics] are just telling lies to the people," said Javed Ahmad Ghamidi, a reformist scholar and popular television preacher.

    "But they have become stronger, because they have street power behind them, and the liberal forces are weak and divided. If it continues like this it could result in the destruction of Pakistan."

    Ghamidi, 59, is the only religious scholar to publicly oppose the blasphemy laws since the assassination of the Punjab governor, Salmaan Taseer, on 4 January. He speaks out at considerable personal risk.

    Ghamidi spoke to the Guardian from Malaysia, where he fled with his wife and daughters last year after police foiled a plot to bomb their Lahore home. "It became impossible to live there," he said.

    Their fears were well founded: within months Taliban gunmen assassinated Dr Farooq Khan, a Ghamidi ally also famous for speaking out, at his clinic in the north-western city of Mardan.

    The scholar's troubles highlight the shrinking space for debate in Pakistan, where Taseer's death has emboldened the religious right, prompting mass street rallies in favour of his killer, Mumtaz Qadri.

    Liberal voices have been marginalised; many fear to speak out. Mainstream political parties have crumbled, led by the ruling Pakistan People's party, which declared it will never amend the blasphemy law.

    Sherry Rehman, a PPP parliamentarian who proposed changes to the legislation, was herself charged with blasphemy this week. Since Taseer's death she has been confined to her Karachi home after numerous death threats, some issued publicly by clerics.

    Although other Islamic scholars share Ghamidi's views on blasphemy, none dared air them so forcefully. "Ghamidi is a voice of reason in a babble of noises seemingly dedicated to irrationality," said Ayaz Amir, an opposition politician and opinion columnist.

    Ghamidi's voice stands out because he attacks the blasphemy law on religious grounds. While secular critics say it is abused to persecute minorities and settle scores, Ghamidi says it has no foundation in either the Qur'an or the Hadith – the sayings of the prophet Muhammad. "Nothing in Islam supports this law," he said.

    Ghamidi deserted the country's largest religious political party, Jamaat-e-Islami, to set up his own school of religious teaching. He came to public attention through a series of television shows on major channels. They were cancelled due to opposition from the mullahs, he said. "They told the channels there would be demonstrations if I wasn't taken off air."

    Three years ago gunmen fired a pistol into the mouth of the editor of Ghamidi's magazine; last year the police foiled a plot to bomb his home and school. Now the school is closed.

    The core problem, Ghamidi said, was the alliance between Pakistan's "establishment" – code for the military – and Islamist extremists it uses to fight in Kashmir and Afghanistan. "They are closely allied," he said.

    The blasphemy debate has exposed painful rifts in Pakistani society. One Ghamidi follower said his father, a British-educated engineer, called him an infidel for attacking the controversial law. "Our society is tearing itself apart," he said.

    Tariq Dhamial, a lawyer representing Mumtaz Qadri, said more than 800 lawyers had offered to represent the self-confessed killer. "Everyone is behind Qadri. Doctors, teachers, labourers, even police – they believe he did the right thing," Dhamial said.Dhamial said the police intended to hold Qadri's trial in jail but the lawyers wanted it heard in open court. The latest hearing is due next Tuesday.

    Even when out of Pakistan, Ghamidi features on television shows by phone, often outwitting extremist clerics with his deep knowledge of the Qur'an. But he eschews terms such as "liberal".

    "I am neither Islamist nor secular. I am a Muslim and a democrat," he said. But even allies question whether religious argument alone can win the sulphurous blasphemy debate.

    "When you talk about religion, you only provoke the forces of reaction who become more intolerant. Then governments become frightened and retreat,"

    said Amir. "Ghamidi's is a voice for the converted. But that won't solve our problem."

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Jan 2011 21:06 #
  2. Dusky
    Member

    Ghamidi is a learned scholar, student of Ameen Islahi.
    But with the writings like this, I will not be surprise if another Qadri seeks one way ticket to paradise.

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Jan 2011 21:27 #
  3. bsobaid
    Member

    I heard him saying on TV capital punishment for blasphemy is not found in Imam Hanifa religion. He said that with complete authority. I was a little surprised. I myself dont know what is written in fiqh books about this issue but he cant be lieing.

    Regardless of what is written in the books, all that Shamma-e-risalat kay parwanay and Sunni Ittehad council (taza tareen fakhria paishkash of agencies) are doing these days is non sense and shameful.

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Jan 2011 22:05 #
  4. jaypk
    Member

    ghamidi....whd ghamidi.....he is a kafir..end of story..! we dnt have any place fr scholars like him in our country...cz he talk sense...and we are not yet ready to calm down and listen to sense..cz "woh bhee humaray jazbaat majrooh karta hay"..! we love jalsay jaloos..jalao ghairao...KFC jalao type islam...whr the hell this ghamidi came frm and tellin us tht islam is a religion of peace..! shutup..!

    @bsobaid...lolz at taza tareen paishkash...sunni ittehad councill...now atleast they have sumthin on which they can be gathered upon fr the next year or so..!

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Jan 2011 22:19 #
  5. bsobaid
    Member

    Although I think it is best not to carry out a religious debate with these shamma-e-risalat kay parwanay as their motive is not religious either. Bringing religion in such controversial matters only weakens awam's eeman. It is best to defeat these parwanas in political area.

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%85-%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AC%D8%AF-%DA%A9%D9%88%D8%AA%D9%88%DB%81%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%B1%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA-%D9%85%DB%8C%DA%BA-%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1-%D9%82%DB%8C%D8%AF#post-202578

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/origin-of-british-blasphemy-law-some-interesting-points#post-202533

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Jan 2011 22:30 #
  6. jaypk
    Member

    hamid meer to hamid meer..main to sheikh waqas akram ko bhee sensible aadmi samajhta thaa....!! this is the quality of our nation...kab kahan kaisay kia ho jaye...kuch keh naee saktay..!

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Jan 2011 22:43 #
  7. bsobaid
    Member

    all the things that waqas akram and rehman malik and other politicians said was cheap political point scoring. They were being politicians and not speaking their minds. They were trying to be shamma-e-risalat kay parwanay laikin onn ko pata hona chahiyay kay M.A Jinna Road, Karachi pay jalsaa karnay walay parwanoo kee woh gardd takk bhi nahi pohonch saktay.

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Jan 2011 22:51 #
  8. jaypk
    Member

    rehman malik pehlay surah e ikhlas to rattt lay.....!!

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Jan 2011 23:01 #
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    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 0:13 #
  10. Sherry Rehman and Ghamidi's lives are at risk; there is no shortage of MQ in our fast growing extremist society.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 2:10 #
  11. What type of this Divine religion is where people deny the justice done and shower petals and laden the killers with Garlands?

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 8:29 #
  12. Ab Kaheen Bolta Naheen, Ghaib Jo Kholta Naheen
    Aisa Agar Koi Khuda, Tum Ney Bana Liya Tou Keya

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 8:47 #
  13. Bsobaid,

    Meray Bhai; Yahan sub maslahtoun kay shikar hain.

    Aur sunna hey keh CJP Sahib ney koi Sohomoto bhi leya hey.

    Array Bhai:

    Kis Insaaf key baat kartey ho--Dil jalanay ki baat kartay ho

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 8:53 #
  14. toamin
    member

    look at the way british praise their puppet "Javed Ahmad Ghamidi, a reformist scholar and popular television preacher."

    lolzz.. scholar... popular... preacher... etc. etc.

    fact is that he is a bhagora on the run :)

    secular people love ghamdi because he can twist & bend islam in their favor to make it compatible with western ideology..

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 9:37 #
  15. Salam,

    I was not expecting it from you.

    But then there is no blame on you either.

    Because when civility from our society took a leave---- arrogance has to come fill its space.

    We may not realize it but believably civility also departed this land when Salman Taseer coffin was taken out for burial.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 9:56 #
  16. yahya
    Member

    @Salam:

    fact is that he is a bhagora on the run :)

    Lot of people ran when things were not in their favour including some prophets.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 11:20 #
  17. He told in a program why he ran, he told that he went out because other then his life, life of people near him was becoming troublesome.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 11:28 #
  18. Not only Javed Ghamdi Sahib; even Jesus also sees some big troubles in fortress of Islam--Pakistan and is not coming back to planet Earth.

    He is believed as saying: Forget the second coming man; a man can be killed down there while preaching peace.

    (an anecdote)

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 18:53 #
  19. @Aay
    "Even Jesus also sees some big troubles in fortress of Islam--Pakistan and is not coming back to planet Earth."

    But then you say he has already been here in the form of Mriza Qadyani...and many janams/reincarnations since....

    "He says; forget the second coming man; a man can be killed down there while preaching peace."
    As if that would be different from the first coming??? Duh!

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 18:58 #
  20. Threads concerning faith or religion should be discussed on Faith and Religion forum only.
    Threads opened in Discuss as a non-religious topic that later develops/progresses into a religious debate will be moved to F&R forum.
    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/for-all%e2%80%a6kindly-read-this-before-opening-a-thread%e2%80%a6-1

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 19:06 #
  21. It is just an anecdote that Jesus as per common belief, as it is maintained down here---that supposedly he may be feeling and evaluating --- while waiting in the heavens.

    As what happens if he is also killed here----as previously many a people have been killing their Prophets?

    Earlier he had a very bad experience at the hands of his own peoples among whom he came.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 19:12 #
  22. S E Mirza,
    The constitution of Pakistan says that every political move or law in Pakistan will be made in the light of Quran and Sunnah... means all the discussions regarding matter of politics or the laws of Pakistan will have to swing--- to and fro in the moon light of Quran and Sunnah---or say as per the common belief and religion.

    So how you may differentiate which topic of discussion is pure religious or pure politics.

    Or is it a new policy that anything connected to religion is to be sent to the cold storage-- named as F&R

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 20:05 #

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