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Israel planning to attack Iran

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  1. sweettruth
    Member

    @Abdul Rahman

    Why are you so against shia community? Why can't we work on promoting inter-sectarian harmony on this forum?

    Posted 3 months ago on 20 Feb 2012 21:16 #

  2. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    ST,

    Your question ought to have been " Why is Iran generating hatred in the entire region by its dubious policies. It is nothing to do with Shia beliefs as such but the Iranian leaders and Ayatollahs are responsible for taking the Iranian people on a ride. It so happens that the leaders proclaim allegiance to Shia faith.

    One one hand they support the opposition ( Mostly Shias) against the monarchy in Bahrain and on the other hand support the Baathist Alawite dictator ( Assad) who is a Alawite thug and historically declared as heretic even by Shite clergy. Although both have popyular revolt bu the brutality against civilkians in Syria is noi match for Bahrain's case. I am against Bahrain, Syria and all Arabs and feel that the only viavle option is to go back to pre-Colinial boundaries after World War I. We should not sccept the colonial carved boundaries. That was the root cause of all eveil you see in MidEast from the illegitimate state ofIsreal to the banana Arab countries under brutal grip of tyrants.

    Posted 3 months ago on 21 Feb 2012 3:29 #

  3. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Pakistani society was a harmonious and tolerant society. After the revolution of Khomeni, he announced the export of his revolution. That was the beginning of trouble. The local Shia leaders were then made tools of trouble. The first Shia-Sunni riot erupted in the presence of the Iranian Consul General at Lalu Khet. The Iranian employed Shia Ulemas even changed their dress code from sherwanis to Iranian style robes. The problem between the Pakistani Shias and Sunnis was ignited by Iran.

    Khomeni's regime supported the Hafiz Ul Asad. Khomeni's policy of supporting the Alvi regime continued even after his death. Presently, around 15000 Iranian soldiers are helping the Syrian regime for crushing the public uprising.

    Posted 3 months ago on 21 Feb 2012 5:45 #

  4. junaid
    Member

    Presently, around 15000 Iranian soldiers are helping the Syrian regime for crushing the public uprising

    they are forgetting the end of gaddafi.

    Posted 3 months ago on 21 Feb 2012 5:56 #

  5. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Abdul Rehman

    You are absolutely right in your expression that the boundaries of the present Muslim states were outlined by the British and the other usurpers. These small Muslim states must transform into a caliphate. As long as these Muslim states continue to be in the same boundaries, their status of vulnerability will not change.

    Posted 3 months ago on 21 Feb 2012 6:39 #

  6. sweettruth
    Member

    @Abdul Rehman and Hussain Farooqui

    Do you guys want Israel/America to attck Iran. Stop shia-sunni hatred on this forum. What is your opinion about another extremists Talibans? They too are extremists like Iranins. Religious extremism, lack of education and bacward-mindedness are the rootcause of muslim's downfall/poverty all over the world.

    Posted 3 months ago on 21 Feb 2012 14:21 #

  7. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    ST,

    "Do you guys want Israel/America to attck Iran"

    My friend, it will never happen. Iran is doing exactly what America and Israel wants. Please save my post and look at it after several years.

    Godless secular extremism, lack of moral/religious education and bacward-mindedness are the rootcause of muslim's downfall/poverty all over the world. The Talibs are single handedly resisting/bleding the combined high tech super powers of the world. Their "backwrdness/poverty is lot better than decadent bankcrupt souless life of concrete jungles of Industrialized West.

    Posted 3 months ago on 21 Feb 2012 15:45 #

  8. Dusky
    Member

    @HF: "Presently, around 15000 Iranian soldiers are helping the Syrian regime for crushing the public uprising"

    So exactly, what was Pakistan hired police/army personal were doing in Bahrain few months ago?

    Posted 3 months ago on 21 Feb 2012 21:39 #

  9. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Abdul Rehman

    I agree with your assessment that Iran is not likely to be attacked by America. An attack over Iran may weaken America's position in Iraq. The present government of Iraq is a joint puppet government of America and Iran. Similarly, the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan is a joint puppet of Iran and America. An attack over Iran will disturb the joint ventures of America and Iran in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Dusky

    Pakistan's role for providing services to America and the Middle East are evident. We are paying heavy costs for our services. Is Iran also prepared to pay similar costs in future?

    Posted 3 months ago on 22 Feb 2012 5:30 #

  10. sweettruth
    Member

    @Abdul Rahman

    Wonderful comments by you! Talibans are great and better than anybody else. We should all follow what taliban animals do. What an idea! You should be awarded next year's Noble award for your rocket scientist brain. Keep day dreaming about your beloved extremists Talibans but stop spreading hatred for Iran and shia on this forum.

    Biggest cause of muslim's religious division/disharmony is inter-sectariansim. Religion becomes corrupt when people start believing their sect is right and other are wrong.

    Imagine my one of my die hard Jamati uncles thinks only JI and their brand of Islam is right and everyone else is wrong.

    By the way, back to bacwardness/downfall of muslims worldwide; I still say it is because of lack of education and religions extremism. Can you give me an example of a country with impressive record of economic/educational//social/political progress?

    Posted 3 months ago on 22 Feb 2012 5:48 #

  11. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Our doors have been widely open for Iranian, American, Saudi Russian, Indian, Israeli and Afghani political games. All the cited countries are culprits of spoiling the society of Pakistan. Mainly, our own hypocrites are responsible. They have lust for money. They are destroying our Pakistan for sake of bribes.

    Posted 3 months ago on 22 Feb 2012 11:41 #

  12. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    ST,

    Can you give me an example of a country with impressive record of economic/educational//social/political progress?

    There is not a single country that fits that category anywhere in the world. In so called third world we have banckrupt countries in Asia and Africa and in West we have Swedeen , the most "enlightened" but having highest rate of suicides. We dont have any datum to compare but there are pockets in several countries that may very well lead to that status soon. Your uncle may be right in thinking like that. Although I dont agree with JI credentials but they have the wherewithal to address the issue and need to do more than just talking and bragging.

    Posted 3 months ago on 22 Feb 2012 12:41 #

  13. junaid
    Member

    way to go AR.

    cannot agree more.

    Posted 3 months ago on 23 Feb 2012 0:09 #

  14. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    To the supporters and lover of Iran, there are rare possibilities of American and Israeli attacks on Iran. We all have been hearing about these possibilities since a long time.

    Posted 3 months ago on 23 Feb 2012 8:33 #

  15. shafiq12
    member

    hussain farooqi
    If a war between Pakistan and Iran is waged, to which country you would support..

    Posted 3 months ago on 23 Feb 2012 8:39 #

  16. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    oblivion

    In case of a war between Pakistan and Iran, we will not even have time to think about supporting our beloved country. Our colonial style army may not give us even time to think about supporting, it will simply surrender without wasting a fraction of second, LOL. Our generals have a golden precedent of Tiger Niazi.

    Posted 3 months ago on 23 Feb 2012 9:54 #

  17. NNL
    member

    HF

    What do you mean by incase of a war?

    There is a war already going on in Baluchistan which is primary result of Iran supporting the separatist elements.

    There is a slow ongoing internal push towards Iranianization of Pakistan and everyone is pretty much blind to see it.

    Posted 3 months ago on 23 Feb 2012 17:04 #

  18. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    NNL, Iraniazation of Syria, Iraq and Lebanon has already happened.

    Let me share with all of you some hard facts about Syria. It has to do with inability of our Syrian Brethren in particular and Muslim community in general to fully comprehend the chain of events starting with the dismemberment of Ottoman Caliphate in 1920 that has led to this tragic situation. French colonialists grabbed Syria as their share of spoils of war after World War I . They made sure that the balance of power was shifted and patronized and elevated the Alawite, who make up less than 10% of population, into power especially in defence.

    It should be noted that French did the same in Lebanon. It is akin to role played by British in sub-continent when the Qadianis were patronized and elevated. Any way the Alawites could not function openly as Alawites due to their status among Muslims who rightly considered them heretic. That is the reason they took cover under Baath party ( same like Saddam) but remained core to their pagan beliefs as evident to this day. The world turned a deaf ear when senior Assad slaughtered and levelled and obliteretaed the nearby city of Hama in 1982 killing over 100,000 Muslims. It is now being repeated by Bashar in complicity with Russia, China, Iran, Lebanon and criminal inaction of West who recently "liberated" Libya from clutches of a tyrant.

    Another very important point to note is that the butcher of Syria is supported by the so called Chied Mufti of Syria-Hassoun who a sunni Muslim and is a known sufi. You always see him next to the tyrant in Eid Prayer, Milad Nabi hoopla etc etc . This shows the sufi mentality that has been supporting the treacherous regimes all over. I know for sure lot of Syrians have problem with Aqeedah just like rest fo Muslims and unless they come to senses and repent there will be more Syrias in future-May Allah SBT protect us.

    Some facts about Syrian Alawites: They are full of deceit and say they are sunni Muslims to hide their pagan belief. Even Shia clergy declared them apostates historicaly but recently the so called Ayatollah Sadr took them back into the shia faith saying they are twelvers and this gave these pagans the legitimacy" as Shias and hence full backing from the clown Ahmedenijad. The Syrians constitution calls for a sunni Muslim as President and the senior Assad publicly declared in Omaad Masjid that he is a Sunni.

    Alawites were installed in power by the machinizations of French Colinislists that ruled Syria after the dismemberment of Ottoman Caliphate. They hid under the umbrella of Baath party to fool the Syrian Muslims.

    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2012/Feb-19/163813-syrias-alawites-to-fight-to-death-for-power-analysts.ashx#axzz1mrdstzN9

    While Shiites venerate Ali -- son-in-law of the Prophet Mohammed -- Alawites worship him.

    Alawites believe that the the prophet is merely the veil masking the "essence" incarnated by Ali and consider Salman Pak, the third figure in their holy trinity and companion of the prophet, as the "gateway" to knowledge.

    The Alawite doctrine was elaborated in Iraq in the 9th century by Mohammad bin Nusseir, a disciple of the 10th imam, dissident Ali al-Hadi. Their doctrine is secretive and handed down by their religious leaders, and
    those who reveal it to non-Alawites can face death.

    Unlike orthodox Muslims, Alawites believe in reincarnation, have no mosques, do not fast during Ramadan and believe that the annual Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia is not mandatory.For Alawites alcohol is not banned, women can go about unveiled and members of the community celebrate Muslim and Christian festivals including Christmas.

    The Sunni scholar Ahmad bin Taymiyya (1263-1328) said of the Alawites: "They are the worst enemies of Muslims. Jihad (holy war) against them is an act of piety."

    Posted 3 months ago on 23 Feb 2012 18:15 #

  19. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Raza Shah Pehalwi believed in non-intervention in the neighbouring countries, but Khomeni vowed to export his revolution theory. Thereafter, the Iranian policy of intervention came into action.

    Iran and Saudi Arabia are exporters of their respective theories. The theories of both are based on the Western agendas rather than any real teachings of Islam. Shame to our Pakistani Mullahs whose subversive services are employed by Saudi Arabia and Iran.

    Posted 3 months ago on 24 Feb 2012 5:33 #

  20. NNL
    member

    HF
    IF Saudia were exporting its respective theory then most of Pakistan would be wahabi right now and you definitely know that is not happening.

    The most prevalent group of theology in Pakistan is the Deobandi thought which the core factor of thought of the Talibans and rest of the terroists cells all over the country. Now tell me if the Saudi govt is cohesive with the Deobandis. I can show fatwas where the Ulema of Saudi have issued against Tablighis as being bidah.

    Posted 3 months ago on 24 Feb 2012 5:52 #

  21. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Deobandis were different compared to Wahabis. However, by the courtesy of Zia's govt. policies a religious class was developed which is an amalgamation of Deobandis and Wahabis. This amalgamation blended Deobandis with the Wahabi doctrine. All over the history, Deobandis have never been subversive to the Muslim society, their blending with the Wahabis during the Afghan war then produced a class of Deobandis that is subversive to the Muslim society of Pakistan.

    Posted 3 months ago on 24 Feb 2012 6:08 #

  22. NNL
    member

    Deobandis and Wahabis can never be merged or joined together as both have a completely different core of beliefs.

    Deobandis have tried their very best to blend in and fool the Wahabis and people that they are one with the Wahabis and are the same but that never happened.
    Those of the common folk who are aware of these differences know this very well that there is no common ground between the 2 and anything else is pure hogwash.

    I think you are mistaken about the Deobandis not being subversive. Its the only class of people who are pretty much subversive to the society they come from in general. Anything that is not contradiction to their agenda they have supported and promoted it regardless of its benefit to the society.

    Afghan war created a home turf situation and promoted the Deobandi brand of Islam pretty strongly. Wahabism on the contrary wasnt that much promoted. As you well know that Zia had the machinery and he wouldnt let anyone else use it.

    The Deobandis were promoted and supported and yes till the Russian invasion Riyals were being poured in but after that everything stopped from Riyadh. It was mostly the Dollars that were pouring and that were safed up to fund the taliban yrs.

    During the 90s in the MQM crackdown where do you think the boys of karachi ended up ? Afghanistan via tablighi jamat the biggest muslim organization whose leaders have been allowed to preach in Israel infact they are all the only people allowed by the Jews to preach. Which is ironic.

    So to state that Deobandis and the Wahabis are the same blend or the Deobandis have adopted Wahabism to blend is a completely fantasy.

    Yes people use the name of the Saudia Arabia to justify their legality and falsify their honesty but that doesnt mean that they are coming from the same.

    Posted 3 months ago on 24 Feb 2012 8:00 #

  23. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Dear NNL

    Thanks for the expression of elaborate views. What I understand is that Mullah Umer is a Deobandi and Osama was a Wahabi. They have been carrying out their expeditions together. Can you please put some light on this subject?

    Posted 3 months ago on 25 Feb 2012 6:04 #

  24. NNL
    member

    To understand the relationship of Mullah Umar and the Osama. You have to know about the Osama.

    Osama was not a Wahabi. Osama was more influenced by Syed Qutb, Hassan al Banna and Maudoodi. People of Saudi Arabia are more or less as one Deobandi puts it follow either fiqh of Imam Hanbal Raheemaullah and/or they dont follow fiqh. And that is a true statement as Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal Raheemaullah never ever gave his opinion rather just Ahadith therefore he is called the Imam of Ahlus-Sunnah. And yes the Saudis aka the Wahabis will prefer to follow a more authentic hadith versus sticking to one particular Madhab as the Ahle-Hind do by following the Ahnaf and the North africans do by following the students of Shafaee Raheemaullah.

    So to say that Osama is a Wahabi is a gross mis-statement as the Shaykhuna Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab Raheemullaah didnt endorse the Khawariji policies that were adopted by Maudoodi and then Maudoodi's ideology was improvised by Hassan al Banna and Syed Qutb.

    Osama and Mullah Omar share one simple relationship. Mullah Omar provides refuge to the Terrorists who in return help him to establish a state for Deobandi Islam.

    Thats what happened and that is still happening.

    Posted 2 months ago on 27 Feb 2012 17:26 #

  25. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    "Osama and Mullah Omar share one simple relationship. Mullah Omar provides refuge to the Terrorists who in return help him to establish a state for Deobandi Islam."

    Are you serious? I have yet to see the labeling of real terrorists aka invaders?

    Those Mujahids have no time for fruitless debates about being deobandi or wahabi or salafi. They have raised the banner of Islam/Tawheed and no power on earth can dislodge them. Once Afghanistan is liberated, Saudi dacoits will be next but not before crushing the Rafidis who happen to be on the way to Hijaz.

    Posted 2 months ago on 29 Feb 2012 20:28 #

  26. NNL
    member

    Again Statements made out of blind taqlid usually lead one to this state of jahil that only Allaah Azza wa Jal can change.

    AbdulRahman wrote"Are you serious? I have yet to see the labeling of real terrorists aka invaders? "

    They are kafirs calling them terrorists is robbing them of their true identity which is they are KAFIRS nothing good ever came out of a kafir.

    AbdulRahman wrote"Those Mujahids have no time for fruitless debates about being deobandi or wahabi or salafi. "
    Those socalled Mujahids are the ones who are living under the banner of Deobandism when they started the deobandi ideology in Afghanistan and have done everything contrary to Sharia of Allaah Azza wa Jal. Look at the laws implemented by the Talibans and people who know the Sharia of Allaah Azza wa Jal will understand that why are the Taliban living extreme situations. If you say that they are living the life according to Shariah then you will have to prove where these tactics of warfare are necessary to establish the Shariah.

    AbdulRahman wrote "They have raised the banner of Islam/Tawheed and no power on earth can dislodge them."
    Not single of the Talibans or their friends AQ have ever raised the Slogan of Tawheed their rhetoric is based on Government based on their interpretation of Islam. NOT ONE SINGLE OF THEM HAS EVER THEIR ENTIRE LIFE TALKED ABOUT TAWHEED AT ALL. If you have proof then bring it up otherwise ......

    AbdulRahman wrote"Once Afghanistan is liberated, Saudi dacoits will be next but not before crushing the Rafidis who happen to be on the way to Hijaz. "

    Again you cant even regain a piece of land unless you terrorize the **** out of people and cant govern it unless you act like bandits and you talk about reclaiming Afghanistan when you couldnt even take control over the complete of Afghanistan.

    Taliban's government used Islam as a scapegoat and made huge public acts of Islam as destroying the Idols ( which was a good thing) but going into extremism was complete jahiliya.

    Saudi Dacoits huh lol how ungrateful are these socalled islamic mujahids these Dacoits when they were funding your pathetic coward ****e$ they were great and when they realized that you are just merely using the Name of Islam and Tawheed and in reality are far from anything you call them Dacoits.

    You everyday sound more and more like Dhul Khuwaisarah who again was whining and complaining and challenging Rasool Allaah SallAllaahu Alayhi wa Alaa Aalyhi wa Sallam to be just and rule by the book of Allaah Azza wa Jal for mere pennies of war booty.

    Things havent change that much since then same old whining and complaining and jealousy over pennies and abusing the name of Islam for money.

    Posted 2 months ago on 01 Mar 2012 17:19 #

  27. NNL
    member

    Its is proven by the actions of Al Faida li Kuffar that they have killed more Muslims than they have killed anyone else.

    They have brought more insult and ridicule to Islam than anyone group in the entire history of Islam.

    They have acted more on the path of Dajjal and helping him establish his forces amongst them.

    There is significant proof in the History of Islam that those who are helping the Religion of Allaah Azza wa Jal are helped by Allaah Azza wa Jal and so far what has been shown by history of these 2 groups they have done on the contrary.

    Posted 2 months ago on 01 Mar 2012 17:24 #

  28. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    The aid to motley band "Mujahideen" to dismantle Soviet Union ( and to save trillions of dollars in NATO defence spending, STAR wars, SDI etc) was provided to certain groups with a aim to create a puppet state. Once the Soviets were humiliated, most of those "mujahideen" turned into Northern Alliance traitors. It was Allah's plan to expose munafiqeen from mujahideen. And tell me in this final round who is helping whom?

    The so called super power occupiers of Afghnaistan are using Qatar and other Gulf banana states as bases for their genocidal war on terror. Only Allah SBT is helping the Mujahideen. The Saudi dacoits cannot dole out a penny and take any political stand without the approval of their Masters.

    Posted 2 months ago on 01 Mar 2012 17:35 #

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