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Its black 19 june

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  1. asif86
    Member

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=245836

    Altaf terms June 19 darkest day in Pak history

    Saturday, June 19, 2010
    By By our correspondent

    Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) chief Altaf Hussain has said that June 19, 1992, was the darkest day in the history of Pakistan when thousands of MQM workers were killed in an extra-judicial operation conducted by the State.

    He said this on the occasion of the 18th anniversary of the day when MQM lost its men.

    In a press release issued here on Friday, Hussain said: “Every effort was made to erase MQM because of its rapid popularity throughout Pakistan. Despite state terrorism, MQM flourished because of the sacrifices and martyrdom of its workers who faced brutal torture. A number of them are still missing,” he added.

    He paid glowing tributes to MQM workers who lost their lives in the horrific action and advised the member of the Coordination Committee and MQM office-bearers to look after the families of the deceased workers.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 13:36 #

  2. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    I think that it was a black day as 25 march 1971 when ARMY once again started its bloodiest operation against the elected representatives of masses with the support of some political forces of other provinces.

    Fact remains that ARMy failed miserably in both cases and will of masses prevailed.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 13:42 #

  3. asif86
    Member

    Another important thing which took place on the same day was that afaq ahmed alongside his team announced the formation of haqiqi group.And they believe that had they not taken that bold and brave step that day then the urdu speaking nation would have been annihilated.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 13:51 #

  4. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    Afaaq , Amer and Badar Iqbal had fled karachi months ago and were conducting press conferences in lahore .

    On this day , they conducted press conference in an APC (armed personnel carrier) of ARMy in Liaqtabad.

    Despite Afaq/amer claims , the mohajir nation never trusted them and have continued to vote for Altraf. I remember in Oct 93 elections when almost all MQM was underground and Afaq was sole ruler of Landhi , Afaq got 319 votes .

    This is important lesson for our ARMy that its next to defeat own masses. They should have learned in 1971 in bengal and 1974/75 in balochiestan but unfortunatenly they needed another doseage in 1992/93.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 13:58 #

  5. asif86
    Member

    50% blame for operation goes to army.In pakistan at that time there was an elected government,which considered that it was neccessary for army to launch operation in karachi.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 14:06 #

  6. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    Asif86,

    If u read my first message
    "
    gainst the elected representatives of masses with the support of some political forces of other provinces.
    "

    What NS had in stake in sindh or karachi ? Same what bhutto had in east pakistan ? isnt' ?

    For your kind memory , it was mainly Gen.Asif Nawaz behind the operation who during PPP government was corps commander karachi and reported once had heated exchanges of words with Azeem Ahmed Tariq (late) .

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 14:08 #

  7. asif86
    Member

    He did have some stake in sindh and karachi.MQM and NS had formed an coalition in sindh.Was NS not PM of sindh and karachi.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 14:12 #

  8. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    If i remember correctly , NS had not seats from sindh at that time.

    It was called JAM_MQM parliamentary party who was ruling the sindh. A few muslim leauge members like Muzafar Shah who had become CM after Jam's death , belogned to Pagara Leauge not Nawaz Leauge.

    Being PM didn't mean that he had stakes in sindh , he was PM on the strenght of Punjab where PPP was almost wiped out and IJI led by NS had sweeping win.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 14:26 #

  9. sweettruth
    Member

    Today British Prime Minister David Cameron apologized for the Northern Ireland’s Bloody Sunday shooting of 13 protestors by the British troops in Londonderry on 30 January 1972.

    Will any Pakistan Government ever apologize for the killing of thousands of MQM workers during the massacre of 1992 by the Army?

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 21:49 #

  10. Sharif Aadmi
    Member


    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Jun 2010 4:17 #

  11. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    Bahi,

    We don't have the morals & moral strength to do that. Had we a fraction of that , we would have offered an apology for the massacre we did in Bengal.

    And secondly it was done by ARMY. Who they could be wrong:) ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Jun 2010 4:18 #

  12. shriq
    Member

    "I think that it was a black day as 25 march 1971 when ARMY once again started its bloodiest operation against the elected representatives of masses with the support of some political forces of other provinces."

    Who invited army for OPERATION!

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Jun 2010 7:48 #

  13. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    ARMY's lust of power .

    In 1971, ARMY refused to transfer of power to elected representatives and similary in 1992 , they were working on the same agenda to grab the power back.

    Yes, some political forces who didn't have direct political interests in the area /province allied with ARMY

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Jun 2010 8:08 #

  14. asif86
    Member

    The army was willing to transfer power but bhutto and mujeeb could not agree to form coalition at the centre.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Jun 2010 16:25 #

  15. asif86
    Member

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=184015

    MQM-H observes Youm-e-Nijat on foundation day

    Saturday, June 20, 2009
    By our correspondent

    Karachi

    The Mohajir Qaumi Movement-Haqiqi (MQM-H) on Friday observed its foundation day as Youm-e-Nijat (salvation day) and held ceremonies at different places, besides distributing food among its detained leaders, workers and other prisoners at Karachi jails.

    The biggest ceremony was held at the Central Prison Karachi where their Chairman Afaq Ahmed had been detained along with several other workers.

    According MQM-H leaders, food was distributed among prisoners at Central and Landhi jails while cakes were also cut to celebrate the Youm-e-Nijat.

    Vice President of MQM-H, Akhtar Hussain Advocate, told The News that small ceremonies were held at both the jails as well as at their temporary media centre, Bait-ul-Hamza, in F-1 Sherpao Colony, where holy Qur’aan was recited for the souls of slain leaders and workers of party.

    “In the central jail, where Chairman Afaq Ahmed is detained, food was provided to leaders, workers of the MQM-H as well as other prisoners. A 40-pounds cake was also cut on the occasion to mark the day,” he said.

    On the other hand, an open letter was also issued by MQM-H’s detained Chairman Afaq Ahmed from Central Jail, urging his party workers and their families to remain steadfast and patient and added that difficult days will pass and they will rejoin in days to come.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Jun 2010 16:28 #

  16. twin_cities
    Member

    Hahaha...

    The activists of terrorist organization, Mutahidda are famous for twisting the facts.

    Let the facts straight. The operation was launched in Sindh against Dacoits. Altaf Hussain had a big fight with his party activists including Afaq Ahmed and Aamir Khan on the booty which was being collected through Bhatta, when he was threatened that all his wrongdoings will be disclosed, Altaf Hussain requested then Army Chief General Asif Nawaz that many activists of his party are involved in crimes and he want those to be eliminated. When the operation started in Karachi, the real face of Altaf came into light. With his links with RAW, crime world, torture cells and other exposed he left the country, now he is a proud citizen of UK.

    Ghulam Ishaq Khan made a biggest mistake when he ordered a halt into the operation.

    Each and every party of the incidence have to be blamed:

    1. Army: First they helped MQM and their operation was only against Altaf's opponents, when it transpired that Altaf is the main culprit, they created Haqiqi group, which was part and parcel of all the crimes of Altaf Hussain. The actual operation against Altaf only lasted for few weeks and Army halted the operation, which was a big crime also.

    2. Ghulam Ishaq Khan: Who wanted to use MQM in future for his plan to dismiss the govt.

    3. Nawaz Sharif: Who fell into the black-mailing of MQM and did not objected against the halting of the operation.

    4. MQM (both factions): Who were the real culprits. Both Mutahidda and Haqiqi groups has turned the city of lights into a hub of crime by creating a terror force hell bound to break the country. But Insha Allah they will not succeed and the patriotic and peace loving residents of Karachi will soon be free from the terror of Bhatta Mafia.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Jun 2010 18:43 #

  17. LiberalKarachi
    Member

    The operation of 1992 is still a black-box. Everyone knows now the truth about the operation thanks to the establishment members informing the world about jinnah pur. The dubious role of Haqiqi cahooting with the establishment pre-operation is also out.

    Those intent on hating MQM will continue to accuse MQM of having connections with RAW even though the sires of the operation now confess this accusation to be nothing but a "drama" and conspiracy. How pathetic.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Jun 2010 21:06 #

  18. twin_cities
    Member

    Very pathetic indeed. A pro MQM host tried his best to inform the masses that MQM was not involved in the Jinnah Pur conspiracy by calling few elements but fact is fact and cannot be denied. All this was pre-planned. During the telecast of the infamous episode MQMs bhatta khore gathered in a ground because they already knew what is going to be shown in the media. Brigadier Billa's testimony in favour of a terrorist organization is what MQM is proud of, in fact anything can be taken out from his mouth by giving him some perks. Every one knows his character.

    The maps of Jinnah pur were recovered from many hideouts of MQM leaders. Many many officials who were involved in the raids have seen those by themselves. The arrested activists of MQM confessed it and told the authorities that all of this was done through the instructions of Altaf Hussain, Many of these MQM activists were killed when they were set free for telling the truth. I agree with you that it was a conspiracy, hatched out by Altaf Hussain, he openly demanded the separation of Karachi from Pakistan few months after leaving Pakistan. Many leaders of MQM went against him because of his stance and those people were killed including Azeem Ahmed Tariq. Altaf Hussain visited Indian embassy in London more then hunderd times during that period and visited India many times. Over there he was openly criticizing the very creation of Pakistan. Very pathetic indeed.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Jun 2010 23:10 #

  19. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    asif86,

    Where in LFO , promugulated by ARMY itself , was written that there is a consensus required for transfer of power ?

    It was simple lust of power that they didn't transfer power to elected representatives of masses as they wanted their share which mujeeb being elected representative was not willing to give to them.

    Mujeeb had absolute majority in the house and no consensus was required at all. Don't twist the historic facts.

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Jun 2010 0:39 #

  20. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    Twin_Cities,

    Aafaq and Amer were already in ARMY protection and had been conducting press conferences in lahore for that matter.

    On 19 Jun 1992 , they conducted press conference in APC .

    There is a lot of difference between dacoits and elected reprsentatives which u need to understand.

    About , altaf requesting Asif Nawaz for the operation , there couldn't be a bigger mis perception. Why would altaf call for operation against this own people and why ASIF NAWAZ carried out his 'orders' ?

    come on man. Give the devil his due share.

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Jun 2010 0:43 #

  21. asif86
    Member

    hameed gul believes that jinnahpur was no conspiracy,it was real.
    http://thecurrentaffairs.com/jinnahpur-is-not-conspiracy-its-reality-hamid-gul.html

    also
    Jinnahpur - what MQM workers say about it?
    http://nadiakhaan.blogspot.com/2009/11/jinnahpur-what-mqm-workers-say-about-it.html

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Jun 2010 19:25 #

  22. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    What hameed gul has to do with this ?

    If i remember correctly , he was retired already at that time or was corps command multan ?

    If Jinnah pur was rallity , was it established in any court of law ? Was anyone tried under allegation ?

    Come on yaar.

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Jun 2010 19:39 #

  23. safshan
    Member

    @ asif86

    yes it is true, the ppl involved in creation of iji and mqm knows best what was recovered from mqm places, altaf hussain resigned from mqm leadership and said that he will not come into politics bcz agencies has his record and jinnahpur maps were recoverd from his home.

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Jun 2010 20:27 #

  24. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    safshan

    Bahi , Altaf even didn't contest elections or held any office before operation.

    Could u plesae quote a source where he said

    "
    he will not come into politics bcz agencies has his record and jinnahpur maps were recoverd from his home.
    "

    Bahii baat woh karro jo haazam bhi ho jaaey , phool jhariaan naa chooro.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jun 2010 0:33 #

  25. twin_cities
    Member

    @ Safshan

    You are 1000% right brother. Altaf announced that he will not participate in politics anymore. This drama he staged many times since then. It was a stupid decision by Ghulam Ishaq Khan and also many PMLN leaders (at that time it was IJI's govt), including Ch. Nisar Ali Khan who protested against the operation and it was halted in just a few weeks, otherwise it was a very good operation and the true face of the Altaf's terror group was exposed. I was working at that time for print media and many many members of the media are witnessed to all the torture cells created by MQM and Jinnahpur maps. Interestingly PPP was in favour of that operation and when it was halted prematurely, Benazir Bhutto lamented Nawaz Sharif and portrayed him as an anti-Pakistan ruler. Our political history if full of strange facts.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jun 2010 3:21 #

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