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Jamaat-e-Islami delegation meets Holbrooke: WHY???

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  1. usman1423
    member

    The Jang

    By Muhammad Anis

    ISLAMABAD: A Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) delegation in a meeting with US Special Envoy for Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke on Tuesday conveyed the party's concerns over the expansion in the US embassy in Islamabad and the drone attacks, besides raising the issue of Dr Aafia Siddiqui's detention. The delegation comprising JI Secretary General Liaquat Baloch and Naib Ameer Dr Muhammad Kamal met the US special envoy at the US Embassy. The JI delegation was invited by the US Embassy for the meeting, which continued for over 90 minutes. The US envoy and over a dozen other officials were also present on the occasion. The JI team also handed over a document to the US official containing their stance on US policies in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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    can anybody tell me why JI meet with them, What was he reason ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 19:09 #
  2. They are meeting their 'old masters' in person. This link (JI-USA) was established and much talked about during the times when Moulana Moududi was alive

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 19:12 #
  3. amin1924
    member

    hmm.. something is fishy, but I'll give benefit of doubt to jamaat brothers.

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 19:15 #
  4. chechen
    Member

    JI is sold out organization. Rather than tackling the invaders on battlefield and boycotting the war criminals they are giving them recognition by visiting them and begging them to stop the drone attacks. Does Mullah Omar talk to the occupiers and their agent Holbrooke? He will never do that.

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 19:16 #
  5. Anonymous

    Halbrooke described his meeting with Jamat today in a press conference without naming them. He said that they are still complaining about old issues repeatedly. He also said that he himself has been explaining very day that they are not building a chowny in Islamabad but they (jamat) raised the same issue. He said that times and policies have now changed and US is cooperating with Pakistan but they (jamat) keep on raising old issues.

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 19:21 #
  6. Anonymous

    May be that they need their share like old 88's days

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 20:03 #
  7. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    I will see, if I can check and find more on this.

    The text of this post speaks for itself. They represented interests of people of Pakistan in this meeting.

    For all those running to accuse Jamaat-e-Islami and its people, they should note that nearly ALL of Jamat-e-Islami's workers, members, and party leaders belong to middle class. None of them have shown signs of corruption or living their lives doing something out of the bounds of Islam in decades.

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 21:14 #
  8. bsobaid, if you are correct, that SHOWS JI DID represent the interests and wishes of people of Pakistan

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 21:15 #
  9. Aqlib
    Blocked

    why do you people not have any problem when nawaz meets holbrook?

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 21:16 #
  10. It is noted in many ahadees, that Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) met with "yahoodi" people. In those instances Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) didn't sell himself. But he did meet, share ideas.

    Simply meeting the other side does not show people as bad, unless people change loyalties as a result.

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 21:17 #
  11. Anonymous

    @hariskhan

    Then why to shout when others meet to share the ideas?

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 21:25 #
  12. chechen
    Member

    Haris,

    You quoted the meeting between Prophet SAS and the Jewish tribes. Whatever meeting happened during the time of Prophet SAS and Sahaba Karaam was with the Muslims having upper hand both militarily and economically or atleast equal status as Kuffar. What you have here is complete surrender and from a very weak position. US war criminals did not consult Pakistani leaders or JI before launching drones. When you talk to criminals you are legitimizing their presence and approving their aggression.

    I feel that Qazi is a nationalist leader and does not care about the Ummah. He said in a statement that JI will blockade US/NATO military convoys passing through sarzameen Pakistan "if" US does not stop launching drones. Anyone can ask question to Qazi: What if US war criminals stop drone attacks. Then is it OK to allow convoys to plunder and kill your Muslim neighbor? What can of mentality is this?
    Qazi also turned bling eye to Chinese genocide of Uighur Muslims. He thinks China and Pakistan are "friends" and any statement in support of Uighur minority will be damaging?

    When Hamas got power it abandoned Jihad to be free and started talking to Zionist occupiers. Same thing here although JI does not have any power.

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 22:03 #
  13. @bebus: Because they DO change their loyalties.

    Past experience and this very present is also serving as evidence of this fact

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 22:07 #
  14. NNL
    member

    Hamas got politicially elected. So if you are gonna ask the Hamas Top guys to continue a fight which will only result in starvation and loss of life while they might have a very bleak chance of some success no matter how insane that sounds atleast infront of their people they can say that we tried everything but these Occupiers are not listening.

    Bro lets not assume things about our brothers who are experiencing the wrath of living in an occupied land.

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 22:14 #
  15. Well, Munawwar Hassan clearly stated what happened between JI and China recently.

    Watch the yesterday interview from Nadeem Malik on his show Islamabad Tonight dated 19-Aug-2009.

    In that Munawwar Hassan clearly stated that the communist party in China invited JI as well as other religious parties for discussions. JI took a full delegation to China to discuss matters of Muslims and Uighur there. Munawwar Hassan talks about this to some length in Nadeem Malik's show that I mentioned above.

    I am not sure about Qazi's stance on that point. I will need to read more or query from JI on that.

    About JI legalizing the stuff done by US criminals, I'll leave that on ALLAH ALMIGHTY and time to show us what goes on

    However, to date, I have NEVER seen JI or its members or its people waver from the loyalty they have for Muslims, Pakistan and Pakistanis'.

    Untill I see their loyalties wavering, I will go with them

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 22:14 #
  16. I believe, when Hamas talked with opressors after getting into power, that was a "wise" move on Hamas's part.

    However, you couldn't see the output of Hamas's efforts since they didn't remain in power for long.

    I believe, Hamas wouldn't have given up Jihad untill the last Palestinian was freed from jews

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 22:17 #
  17. chechen
    Member

    Brother, Hamas is a nationalist organization. They are more concerned about satisfying West rather than Allah SBT. We all understand the conditions of occupation. No doubt about that. Check the leadership of Hamas. They went to Moscow and embraced war criminal Putin who is conducting genocide in Caucasus. How would you feel if a Chechen Mujahid goes to Israel and embraces war criminal netanyahu at a time genocide is under way in Gaza.

    Then Hamas went to Iran. Iran will never help them and did not provide any assitance during current crisis. Also Hamas tries to distance itself from other Mujahideen fighting taghoot. They just released a statement after executing Mujahideen who asked Hamas to implement Sharia. They said we are not like "taliban". In fact they ridiculed them several times. I am wondering who are they like?

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 22:23 #
  18. chechen
    Member

    When I meet Palestinian Brothers frrom Hamas who are nationalists and do not want "others" to involve in their struggle, I say this to them.

    It was Salauddin Ayoubi who liberated Palestine and Jerusalem from the Crusaders. He was neither an Arab nor a Palestinian. He was a Kurdish Mujahid. Insha'Allah, Al Aqsa and Bait Al Maqdis may well be liberated by a Pakistani. Allah knows Best.

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 22:30 #
  19. NNL
    member

    Akhi

    Would you blame them for being nationalist?

    They are the very centre of the entire ME conflict and possibly the anti Christ wars.

    Did ever Hamas claim to be global?

    They are thinking about their own people and wallahi i wouldnt blame them would u ?

    I mean look at us.

    Are we stopped at every chk point on every road on every part of our lands

    Are we denied entry to our own towns and cities.

    No

    If they met with the Russians or anyone else who could possibly might help them in a very minute form shouldnt they give it a try ?

    Its really hard to assess whats happening in Gaza or West Bank cos Israelis have done a superb job in subduing the local Arab population whether Christian or Muslim both physically and emotionally and psychologically.

    I just dont expect Hamas to be a global org i expect it to be an org which is working for its own people who are dying at this very moment as we speak.

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 22:33 #
  20. chechen
    Member

    Brother, When Shaheed Abdullah Azzam, Palestinian brother was asked what was he doing in Afghanistan when Palestine is ripe for Jihad. He said the Arab leaders including Palestinians have tied their hands. He said he was fed up with the nationalistic aspirations of Palestinians in general and so called Islamists in particular and he made a hijra to lands of Jihad and was martyred there. May Allah accept his martydom.

    When you got a piece of land thru whatever method like secular democracy you don't try to please West and wait to apply sharia. You do it immediately without reservations and don't issue statements like "We are not like Taliban". It clearly shows who are they trying to please.

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 22:43 #
  21. shahzad1924
    member

    i wouldnt comment on holbrooke meeting JI. but i will say that this shows how the American officials manipulate the Pakistani political scene. i mean, whats the point of holbrooke meeting Maulana Fazlur Rehman. so, people who think that we are fighting our own war in waziristan should wake up. because this is not our war. someone else is pulling the strings here.

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Aug 2009 22:50 #
  22. because JI has always a double role to play.
    on one hand its getting public support by chanting anti US slogans on the other hand its a darling of US for quite a long period ,which had started in Zia era .

    JI has nothing to do but to call for strikes and sit ins.
    and go to meet US officials
    and
    time to time give a Kandha to the military coup.

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Aug 2009 6:08 #
  23. Beenai

    JI affair didn't start during zia. JI is /has been the political wing of ARMY and AMERICA since late 60's.

    Don't forget its role with yahya khan and in Bangladesh's freedom fight when in the name of AL BADAR and AL SHAMS they did the ethnic cleansing of poor Bengalis and in return got seats from ARMY (Seats vacated by disqualification of Awami League).

    And also don't forget the Military Mulla Ittehad, its support and love for musharaf and the military operation in Balochistan with MMA's provincial government support.

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Aug 2009 6:21 #
  24. DeadlyHonest
    member

    Every political party in Pakistan have limited field to go against the Interests of US/Pakistan..
    They have to maintain rather a secret policy towards their religious issues and to help..
    Pakistani ppl impressed by the west starts calling Taliban/Extrimists/Anti Pakistan and labels like that over religious parties..
    Religious parties only have their interests to safegaurd relious threats first as well as national Inetrests..
    They are never proved guilty of any curruption..Just rumours does not workhere....
    Ji played a grt rule in Afghan Jihad and also have close relation ships with International Islamic movements..
    Any one benefit to the Islamic cause should not be blammed ever and should avoid any mistake made by them...
    Religious ones are very well aware of the challenges and calling them agents deserves to laugh at....

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Aug 2009 6:22 #
  25. @Asif ,
    at the end of the day
    every political party of Pakistan is a love child of USA .

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Aug 2009 6:23 #
  26. DeadlyHonest

    JI played a brutal role in the Freedom Fight of Bengladesh as well. Don't forget that.

    And in Afghainstan they minted a lot of $$$.

    JI starts dancing at the instance of ARMY and its only role in Pakistan is to help ARMY killing the masses whether its Decca , Karachi or Balochistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Aug 2009 7:38 #
  27. netengr
    blocked

    قاضی حسین سے ایک فرضی انٹرویو

    س :قاضی صاحب آپ سوات کی صورتحال پر کیا کہیں گے

    قاضی : یہ سب حکومت اور امریکہ کا پروپگنڈہ ہے

    س: قاضی صاحب یہ جو لوگ لوگوں کی گردانیں کاٹ رہے ہیں ،اغوا کر رہے ہیں ،لاشیں لٹکا رہے ہیں اور اپنے اپ کو طالبان کہتے رہے ہیں کون ہیں ؟

    قاضی :یہ سب امریکا اور انڈیا کر وہ رہا ہے

    س: اگر یہ امریکہ اور انڈیا کر وہ رہے ہیں تو پھر آپ آپریشن کی مخالفت کیوں کر رہے ہیں ؟

    قاضی :ہم نظام-ے-عادل کی حمایت کرتے ہیں اور یہ سوات کے لوگوں کا مطالبہ ہے اسس لِیےہ ان لوگوں سے مزاکرات کیہ جائیں اور آپریشن ختم کیا جا ےَ.

    س: تو قاضی صاحب ابھی تو اپ کہ رہے تھے یہ امریکہ اور انڈیا کر وہ رہا ہے اور پھر یہ کہ رہے ہیں ہیں مزاکرات کیہ جائیں یہ عجیب سی بات نہیں ؟

    س: اچھا یہ بتائیں کے آپ طالبان کے ساتھ ہیں یا نہیں ؟

    قاضی : جب تک امریکا افغان استان میں ہے ایسا ہوتا رہے گا

    س: آپ نے میرے سوال کا جواب نہیں دیا

    قاضی :یہ طالبان اجنسیوں کی بنا ے ہوئے ہیں

    س: ہیں ! قاضی صاحب اپ کو یاد کو منور حسن صاحب نے تو خود کہا تھے کے ہم اور طالبان ایک ہیں اور اپپ کہ رہے ہیں کے یہ اجنٹ ہیں ؟

    قاضی :یہ سب امریکہ کر وہ رہا ہے

    س: جب یہ اجنٹ ہیں اور یہ امریکہ کر وا رہا ہے تو آپ پھر یہ کیوں کہتے ہیں کے ان سے مزاکرات کریں یا یہ امریکہ کے افغانستان میں ہونے کا ردعمل ہے ؟ عجیب باتیں ہیں آپ کی بھی

    س: اچھا قاضی صاحب سب چھوڑیں یہ باتیں کے آپ کی جماعت سوات سے ووٹ لیتی رہی ہے پر جب تین سال وہاں طالبان کا ہولڈ تھا تو آپ وہاں کیوں نہیں گایے اور جماعت اسلامی نے اپنا کوئی ایک جلسہ بھی نہیں کیا ،اگر یہ سب پروپگنڈہ تھا تو آپ وہاں جاتے اور وہاں کے لوگوں سے ملتے اور ساری دنیا کو بتاتے کے یہ سب جھوٹ ہے ؟

    قاضی :یہ سب یہودیوں کی سازش ہے

    س: سازش کو چھوڑیں آپ میرے سوال کا جواب دیں

    قاضی: کون سا سوال

    س:آپ اور آپ کی جماعت کہاں تھی جب طالبان سوات میں تھے ؟

    س : اپپ اور جماعت اسلامی پورے ملک میں جلسے کرتے تھے پر سوات میں کیوں نہیں کئیے ؟

    س: آپ مینار-ے-پاکستان پر تو جلسہ کرتے ہیں پر طالبان کے خونی چوک پر جلسہ کر کے دکھایا ہوتا .جیسے کے آپ پوری قوم کو کہتے رہے کے یہ پروپگنڈہ ہے آپ کی جماعت امریکہ اور برطانیہ میں تو کام کرتی ہے اور وہاں پروگرام بھی کرتی ہے پر جہاں طالبان ہوتے ہیں آپ وہاں سے دم دبا کر بھاگ کیوں جاتے ہیں ؟یا تو اپپ کھل کر کہیں کے آپ طالبان کے ساتھ ہیں یا یہ بھی کھل کر کہیں کے طالبان کا خوف اپ کو بھی ہے .اگر اپپ جاتے تو اپپ کی بھی سر کٹی لاش سوات کے گرین چوک پر ملتی

    قاضی : یہ جو بھی سوات میں ہیں وہ انڈیا اور امریکہ کے اجنٹ کر وہ رہے ہیں

    س: اور یہ اجنٹ ہیں تو پھر آپ یہ کیوں کہتے ہیں کے ان سے مزاکرات کریں اور ان کی شریعت نافذ کریں ؟

    قاضی : یہ سب یہودیوں اور امریکہ کی سازش ہے

    س: پھر اپپ نے میرا سوال گول کر دیا ...خیر

    س: میں پھر یہی کہوں گا کے افغانستان ہو یا پاکستان جہاں جہاں طالبان کا قبضہ ہوا وہاں وہاں جماعت اسلامی غایب رہی .

    س: قاضی صاحب یہ بتائیں کے یہ جو اتنے خود کش دھماکے ہوئے ہیں اور اتنا لوگوں کو مرا گیا کہ لوگ کون ہیں ؟

    قاضی : یہ سب امریکہ کر وہ رہا ہے اور یہ اسی کے اجنٹ ہیں

    س: ماں لیا کے یہ امریکا کر وہ رہا ہے ،پر جب بھی کو دھمماکا ہوتا ہے یا لوگوں کو مرا جاتا ہے تو آپ یہ کیوں کہتے ہیں کے یہ ایک ردعمل ہے ؟یہ کچھ منافقت نہیں ؟ ردعمل کس کی طرف سے ؟ امریکہ کی طرف سے امریکہ کا ردعمل ؟ اف اپپ عجیب ہی بات کرتے ہیں ،چیت بھی آپ کی اور پٹ بھی آپ کا ؟

    س: اچھا یہ بتائیں کے یہ مسلم خان ،مولوی عمر ،فضلاللہ ،بیت اللّہ محسود جو ٹی وی پر آکر سارے قتل اور دھماکے قبول کرتے ہیں اس پر اپ اپنا ردعمل کیوں ظاہر نہیں کرتے اور ان کی مذمّت کیوں نہیں کرتے ؟

    قاضی : یہ سب امریکہ کا ڈرامہ ہے اور یہ سب اجنٹ ہیں

    س : اگر یہ اجنٹ ہیں تو پھر اپپ ان کو برا کیوں نہیں کہتے ہیں ؟

    قاضی : یہ ساری فلمیں ا مریکا میں تیار کی جاتی ہیں

    س: آپ کو کیسے پتا ؟

    س: اگر یہ سب جھوٹ ہیں تو پھر اپپ طالبان کے خلاف آپریشن کے خلاف کیوں ہیں جو ہمارے فوج اور لوگوں کو مار رہے ہیں ؟

    قاضی : ہمارے فوج امریکہ کے ہاتھو بک چکی ہے

    س: تو اس مطلب ہے کے اپ طالبان کے ساتھ ہیں ،اور اگر ہیں بھی تو کھل کر کیوں نہیں کہتے ؟ اور طالبان کے علاقوں میں جانے سے ڈرتے کیوں ہیں ؟

    س: اچھا سب چھوڑیں یہ بتائیں کے جماعت اسلامی امریکہ کی سب سے بری مخالف ہے اور پچھلے ١٥ سالوں سے اپ امریکہ کے خلاف جہد کے نرے لگا رہے ہیں پر اپ کی جماعت اب کیوں نہیں جاتی ہے ان سے لڑنے ؟

    قاضی : امریکہ نے نا جائز افغانستان پر قبضہ کیا ہوا ہے

    س: جب افغانستان میں طالبان کیوں حکومت تھی تو وہاں پر القاعدہ نے اپنے کمپس بناے ہوئے تھے اور اسامہ بن لادن نے امریکہ سے جہاد کا اعلان کیا تھا اور تنزانیہ اور نیروبی میں ٩/١١ سے پہلے بھی دھماکے کیہ اور ان کی ذمے داری لی اور یہ کہا کے ابّ امریکہ کے اندر بھی حملے ہونگے ،کیا یہ بلا وجہ امریکہ سے لڑنا نہیں تھا ؟

    قاضی : ٩/١١ یاہو دیوں کی ایک سازش تھی

    س: اپپ کو کیسے پتا ؟ اسامہ بن لادن یہ قبول کر چکا ہے ،ایمان زواہری بھی قبول کر چکا ہے اور یہ بھی کہ چکا ہے کے جو یہ سمجھتا ہے کے یہ یہودی سازش تھی اور دشمن کا اجنٹ ہے ،اس کے علاوہ جو ١٩ ہائی جیکرز تھے ان کے خاندان والوں نہیں بھی قبول کیا ہے جو سعودی عرب میں رہتے ہیں ،اس کے لِیےہ کوئی خاص ٹیکنولوجی کی ضرورت نہیں تھی وہ لوگ چا

    ہئے تھے جو جہاز بھی اڑا سکتے ہوں اور اپنی جان بھی دے سکتے ہیں اور ان ہی جیکرز کے انٹرویز بھی ہیں جو انہوں نے پہلے ریکورڈ کروا ے تھے ،اور یہ سب ثبوت الجزیرہ اور سعودی عرب نے دیه ہیں .

    قاضی : ہم ان سب کو نہیں مانتے سب ہولیووڈ میں بنی ہوئے ہیں

    س: کہیں آپ بھی تو کوئی حالی وڈ کی فلم تو نہیں ؟ کہیں جماعت اسلامی بھی تو یہودیوں کی کوئی تنظیم تو نہیں ؟

    قاضی صاحب منافقت چھوڑو اور الله کے دین کو اپنی سیاست چمکانے میں نا لا گاؤ بات حق بولو صرف امریکہ کی مخالفت ہی اسلام نہیں ہے .اگر سب ڈرامہ ہو رہا ہے تو جہاد کو ن اور کیسے کر رہا ہے ؟ اگر جماعت اسلامی کر رہی ہے تو کہاں اور کسے کر رہی ہے ؟

    قاضی : یہ سب امّت-ے-مسلمہ کے خلاف یہودی سازش ہے

    س: اف

    آپ لوگوں کو خود اپنا پتا نہیں کے کہاں جا رہے ہیں آپ قوم کو کیا دینگے

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Aug 2009 9:06 #
  28. Ansar Abbasi and Liaqat Baloch Grills US Fraudsters

    http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=194138

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Aug 2009 9:14 #
  29. Migel9
    Member

    Why did JI felt the need to meet this zionist mass muderer of muslims??Cowards lined up to collect jewish chritian paper currency from a know jew and anti isamic ****??

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Aug 2009 1:10 #
  30. netengr
    blocked

    -

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Aug 2009 8:56 #
  31. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    I want everyone to remember, JI has NEVER changed its loyalties. JI has NEVER proved itself to be "oppertunist" minded.

    Unless it does that, there's no cause for concern. JI is a group of good people, who work "objectively" for people of Pakistan

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Aug 2009 20:24 #
  32. hariskhan

    Bahi do u anything about pakistan history ?

    JI is just tout of ARMY and AMERICA. isn't history?

    Didn't they support

    YAHYA ?ZIA?Mush?

    They have always consipired against the masses of pakistan and sold themselves for pennies.

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Aug 2009 3:50 #
  33. chechen
    Member

    Why you missed the biggest seller? How about Zardari selling the country for peanuts in order for him to jump from 10% to 90%.

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Aug 2009 4:09 #
  34. shikra
    Blocked

    Then better to put JI and Zardari in the same bracket.
    I guess the thread was about the role of JI?

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Aug 2009 4:14 #
  35. shikra

    Bahi, when mirror is shown to "Mullahs" they react the same way. Don't worry.

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Aug 2009 5:34 #
  36. Revivalist
    member

    ASIFK,

    The problem with you seculars is that you always hide behind the term” Mullah”, what this whole discussion has to do with this?? We are discussing JI’s meeting with Mass murderer….... You dont have the courage to even look in the mirror and thats why always hide your ugly face in a mask!!!

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Aug 2009 7:44 #
  37. Revivalist
    member

    I don’t know the intention of the delegation of JI, however I would strongly suggest them not to meet the murderers of our brother and sisters. We all know it without a slight shed of doubt that what ever we will tell them that wont effect them the slightest and they will keep on invading Muslims lands, looting their resources and will kill our brother and sisters. Besides, JI must come out of the democratic politics and start working and striving for re-establishing Islamic khilafah, that will not only liberate the people of Pakistan but the entire Ummah. Khilafah will gather the Army of the Muslim world that is now divided into 56 statelets and is being used by United snakes for achieving its evil designs with the help of the corrupt rulers like Zardari, Mubarak etc, and will mobilize it to liberate its lands and people….

    Regards

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Aug 2009 7:51 #
  38. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Revivalist: I would agree, if most of the citizens of Pakistan and Afghanistan were educated about Islam and also had something like 10th grade / Metric of ordinary education.

    As I see it, people in Pakistan are not aware of the benefits of Khilafah. They see it as the "rule of MULLAH". They see it as tyranny. Awareness needs to be brought in the masses to push the idea of Khilafah in the mainstream

    By rule of MULLAH, I mean the liberals in our society push the idea that MULLAH will force their ideology on the people. That scares people in general especially those who want liberty of decision making

    We need good people to bring awareness and have enough credibility in the society to make Khilafah happen

    This is my perception of the situation. However, I may be wrong

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Aug 2009 10:54 #
  39. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    We were talking about prospects of uniting Afghanistan + Pakistan on another forum. The comments posted showed the fear of "some" people who just opposed it.

    They didn't concentrate on the "positive" side of what could be achieved as a result for this entire region and the world

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Aug 2009 11:01 #
  40. amin1924
    member

    Isn't it already united?

    AFPAK is the new name ;-)

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Aug 2009 11:02 #
  41. netengr
    blocked

  42. Revivalist
    member

    @Haris
    Bro you are right in saying that more and more people should be aware of khilafah and its fruits for the Muslim Ummah. This is what my whole point is. Like Hizb ut-tahrir, JI as political organization should also take the initiative to spread awareness about khilafah as the only viable alternative to western secularism and the ruling system in Islam. This could only be possible when they will leave democracy and will come out of the parliament, which is the biggest trap for all religious organization. Bro, by taking part in a system we are giving strength to it and cant change it, this is what we can witness in the seerah of our beloved prophet (saw). He (saw) was offered by the Quraish to become the sardar of Darun-Nadwa but he clearly refused to do so. Similarly we should understand democracy in the light of Islam and should let the masses aware of it, only then we can have an aware public. But sitting the parliament and saying nothing against democracy or in favor of khilafah will never bring awareness in the public. Besides, don’t worry about those people, who hide behind the term Mullah, they can’t stand to the challenge of Islam so they will always do their conspiracies against Muslims and Islam.

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Aug 2009 11:12 #

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