Jamaat-e-Islami historically the mother of all terrorism in Pakistan

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Jamaat-e-Islami historically the mother of all terrorism in Pakistan

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yahya
Member

PU terrorized by IJT under the patronage of ML-N, JI nexus

Jamaat-e-Islami historically the mother of all terrorism in Pakistan, as its militant student wing, Islami Jamiat-e-Talba (IJT) were the ones, who spearheaded the Kalashnikov culture in Pakistan under the patronage of the then their Amirul Momineen, General Mohammad Zia-ul-Huque, while currently the Punjab ruling party, Muslim League- Nawaz (ML-N) being the heir-apparent of the General naturally finds itself almost on the same ideological wave length, no wonder has given a free hand to the IJT goons in the province thrashing and bullying all those who challenge their terror and in the process the oldest and largest seat of learning in the country, the Punjab University has presently fallen their worst victim.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/blog/blog_details.asp?id=384

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 7:15 #
Beenai
Moderator

MQM has proved itself a good successor of heriatge of terrosim .

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 7:21 #
yahya
Member

Possibly self defence.

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 7:23 #
Beenai
Moderator

who is defending ?
no1.i am NOT a supporter of JI .
no2..i am not denying that JI is a terrorist party .
it is ...

but MQM is also a terrorist party .
which u r not going to admit it .

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 7:25 #
yahya
Member

No, not you.

MQM may have adopted violence in self defence.

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 7:34 #
PAKI.SECULAR
Blocked

What is Terrorism, isn't it a subjective term ??

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 7:45 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Yahya ,
@MQM may have adopted violence in self defence...

now who is defending whom ????:):):)

Is there any where in the world ?
where terrorism on a perminent bases is allowed to have, as a policy of self defence?

u can kill one person for self defense ,in certain law conditions .

but ...
u can NOT kill series of ppl agian and agian by using the philosophy of self defense .

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 7:49 #
PAKI.SECULAR
Blocked

Actually MQM is the only terrorist organisation in Pakistan !
Workers of ANP, PPP, JI, PTI, PML-N-Q-F, JUI and SSP don't even have any idea of fire-arms, hence how can they kill anyone !

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 8:39 #
Beenai
Moderator

@pakisecular,
NO ,I am not saying that .
every political party of Pakistan has its own armed gang mafia .
including PPP,PMLN,PMLQ,ANP,MQM ,JI ,JUI,ST ,JSQM ,BNP and all.

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 9:24 #
PAKI.SECULAR
Blocked

Did you leave PTI intentionally ? :)
Or PTI is infant and hence harmless ? :)

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 9:51 #
Beenai
Moderator

@pakisecular,
PTI is harmless right now .
as it has no power to do any good ,either any bad to the city .

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 9:56 #
PAKI.SECULAR
Blocked

BTW it seems you have not seen pics of PTI rally in Karachi wherein PTI men were holding fire-arms :))
I understand fire-arms are meant for firing or is there any other function they perform ? :)

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 10:20 #
Beenai
Moderator

@paksecular ,
as u goes to read my first post agian.
u came to know ,i have already concluded that all parties has thier own mafia .
nobody is exempted from the list of terrorists .

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 10:47 #
PAKI.SECULAR
Blocked

But I'm still wondering why you exempted PTI from your list :)
I understand this Blog is owned by PTI, please clarify if my understanding is not correct.

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 10:49 #
Beenai
Moderator

@paksecular ,
i DONT know ,who owns the site ?
and i dont wanna know so .
as anyways ,its not effecting me being here .
until or unless i m enjoying being here .

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 11:01 #
PAKI.SECULAR
Blocked

OK, but you didn't tell me the reasons for the exemption of PTI from your list :)

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 11:04 #
Beenai
Moderator

when i say all parties ,it means all .
without any exemption.

dont u think ,we have came too far from the real topic which is under discussion right now ?

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 11:06 #
PAKI.SECULAR
Blocked

There is no doubt it was Jamiat which introduced Kalashinkov in Colleges and Universities of Pakistan !

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 11:25 #
Anonymous

Yahya

From ‘The News Blog’ under reference, the comment of Asmat Jamal from Quetta that “JI and terrorism goes hand in hand”, do carry weight.

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 12:56 #
zingaro
Member

As far I remember Taliban was creation of Benazir Bhutto ... Correct me if i am wrong please.............

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 14:47 #
Shaheen-e-Iqbal
Member

@above
I may concur with you on this point. BB along with Naseer Ullah Babar had been part of the Taliban saga and what happened in Karachi also.

JI as I come to know is not a terrorist party in itself. Students affiliated by JI had been active against other students. Use of arms is no secret. All sides are armed and use them whenever they like.

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 14:52 #
jaypk
Member

i dnt see any JI supporter here?? like heeellaao??

@zingaro...also correct me if i m wrong..i think taliban was created by ISI under zias regime and thn later on supported by NS as well...hopefully sumwhr in the line bb shud b thr as well...!!

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 15:14 #
Wahid Doyum
Member

Jamaat linked organization was found involved in parade line masjid massacre.

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 16:18 #
skunkk
Member

The difference between MQM and Jamaat is that Jamaat became a militant organisation by choice where as MQM was directly and indirectly forced to take up arms. Even today IJT and Shabab-e-mili are the source of violence in educational institutes all over Pakistan, even where there is no MQM. MQM's terrorism is equally condemned but again the statement was that who is mother of all terrorism.

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Feb 2010 21:31 #
zingaro
Member

@jaypak ... I shall appreciate if you could share here any source, ,link of information by which we all could know that any party named Taliban used to exist in Zia regime.

Gen. Zia and ISI were the main players while soviet war in Afghanistan and the mastermind of all this was USA. The problems started when Russia withdrew from Afghanistan and there was no subsequent strategy. So the Afghan groups started fighting with each other. I hope you might have read newspapers those days. Taliban were created specifically in Benazir time and they even coped with all other Afghan group which were supported by Zia.

Don't you think you are trying to mix things?

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Feb 2010 7:19 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

USA didn't mastermind anything significant in this event. ALL that happened would have happened anyway, even if USA hadn't come along. Muslims went to war. Muslims won! the war on their own.

It is well known that Muslims would have won the war on their own, reference to the interview I posted a couple of weeks back;

Thread: Zbigniew Brzezinski on Afghanistan and the American strategy for Eurasia

It was war!. Muslims wanted to liberate land from Russians. Muslims living on land north of Afghanistan, they pushed Russian Army back at that time. It would have happened without the money USA poured in.

Muslims! fought the war. Muslims! won the war. Muslims! broke off Russia. It would have happened regardless of USA's presence in this region.

We just never give ourselves credit for what we do. The 'slave' mindset in our people doesn't allow us that privilege.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Feb 2010 7:30 #
toamin
member

Regarding "Gen. Zia and ISI were the main players while soviet war in Afghanistan and the mastermind of all this was USA."

Zia, ISI and CIA came after they were impressed with Afghan resistance against USSR.

So do investigate the answer on the question that did Zia/CIA initiate/start the afghan resistance or they came after they saw indigenous resistance being effective against USSR and gave support to it?

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Feb 2010 10:46 #
yahya
Member

IJT Terrorism
http://pkpolitics.com/2010/02/04/point-blank-4-february-2010/

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Feb 2010 6:50 #
netengr
blocked

Its not only Jamaat Islami this is the ideology given by syed Qutub and Hasnul banna ,They presented innovative socialist Islam which was rejected by mulims then they started violance ,From Aiman alzawahri to Munawer hasan and from Mulla ummer to Osama all are follower of syed qutub .They are called Takfiri or Khawarij by some Ulema in Muslim world

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Feb 2010 7:46 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@Admin(s) / @Moderator(s): I have been patient with this thread thus far. I was patient, because people were talking, rather than associating lies with JI. That has changed in recent posted comments.

I will accept that which is the truth, even if it goes against JI. Having said that, I will NOT! accept lies associated with JI. That is UNACCEPTABLE!.

Please control these people, before I bash them with reality.

P.S. I don't find any constructive output coming from this thread. This thread has but one purpose, i.e., to malign JI's reputation in the eyes of the people by reminding the people of past attrocities. In other words, this thread was created for hate-mongering against JI. I call it 'hate-mongering' because .. now .. lies are being put up.

I will accept that which is right. Yes, IJT has committed crimes. Yes, JI has not controlled IJT as it should have over the years. But when lies are associated with JI, I will not accept that. No sane, intelligent, common man would accept that.

There is a place for justice. It should be called upon, when injustice is being done.

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Feb 2010 8:24 #
jaypk
Member

@zingaro.... I hope you might have read newspapers those days....lolz...if its early 80s you are talkin abt thn no my friend...i neva wanted to go to skool those days (and tht is primary or very early skool) and you are talki abt readin newspapers...lolz..

anyways..comin to yer point...i think taliban was actually created by Zia Ul Haq regime remember the madrasas which were free hand to recruite young poor less educated people for jihad...i m nt denyin tht the name TAILBAN actually was promoted in benazirs time but whds in the name?..you are rite on tht.... but the insurgency started back in zias regime...you may call them the mujahideen at that time but again whds in the name..it was mujahideen..thn tailban...and now al qaida...but i was talkin abt the initiation ..and tht was in zia s time...i think you dont need a link for charlie wilsons war or hameed gul..do you..:)..?

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Feb 2010 10:51 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Agar JI ke kisi bhi bande ne koee bhi jurm kia hai, samne lao, aur PHANSI!!! do us ko, abhi!!! aur isi!!! waqt.

Hamain apni safo'n main se sare!!! ke sare!!! LANTI INSANO'N ko phansi!!! deni hai.

Ham ye na-insafi wala gand bardasth nahi kar sakte.

It is unacceptable!!!!

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Feb 2010 15:03 #
netengr
blocked

"Agar JI ke kisi bhi bande ne koee bhi jurm kia hai, samne lao, aur PHANSI!!! do us ko, abhi!!! aur isi!!! waqt."

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Ham ager hazaron proof bhi day dain tab bhi app nahi manain gay aur khahain gay kay yeh yahoodi propaganda hay

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Feb 2010 15:17 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@netengr: aap ke khilaf bhi main is forum par kafi evidence de chuka hoon. Aap is mulk ke loago'n se treason ke jurm main phansi ke liye tayyar hain ?

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Feb 2010 16:16 #
netengr
blocked

@hariskhan

App nay pehlay mera gala katnay ki dhamki di thi aur abb phansi ki .iss main kon sa hukum Islami hay ?

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Feb 2010 18:47 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@netengr: Traitor ki saza yahi hai. Agar aap ke aamaal treason ke hain, to is main mera kia qasoor hai ?

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Feb 2010 19:01 #
quaidkamazaar
Member

JI is responsible for all the violence in colleges that has existed.

they tried to beat the hell out of a new student movement many decades ago, only to find out that they had miserably failed because of its mass public support. those were the times APMSO was starting in Karachi University only to find out its stalls were burning by these thugs.
Guns were introduced to the city as a fashion.

Posted 2 years ago on 06 Feb 2010 0:21 #