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Jamat Islami Badmashi

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  1. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    JI baghal bacha IJT is having its annual function on punjab university permisis and PU has declared holiday for this .

    http://pakedu.net/pakistani-education-news/punjab-university-announced-holiday-during-islamia-jamiat-talaba-ijt-convention/

    Had it been some other political party , i m pretty sure that there would have been much uproar.

    Posted 7 months ago on 17 Oct 2011 22:08 #

  2. bsobaid
    Member

    This is preposterous.

    Why should there be a holiday for the whole university because of their convention?

    Shameful badmashi and dada geeri.

    Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 4:23 #

  3. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @bsobaid: When you look at the west, its history spanning over the coarse of multiple centuries, it isn't their educated class that brought them the "life of luxury" they are living.

    Its their "badmashi" (in urdu) over the rest of the world, that's enabling them to "have" that life of luxury.

    Their educated class is their middle class, which they have always treated as "labour". They always try so hard to kill their middle class.

    So, let's stop whining about "our bad'muash" (in urdu) shall we ?

    For those who support western "badmuash/badmashi", they have no credibility to speak about "our bad'muash" in the first place.

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    P.S. I thought, by now it was well established from his contributions on multiple threads on this forum, that Mr. "Sharif Aadmi" here has "Indian interests" at heart in contrast to interests of people of Pakistan, in contrast to interests of Muslims.

    Why would anyone have any reason to think Mr. "Sharif Aadmi" has any credibility in this community ?

    Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 7:39 #

  4. stingingnettle
    Member

    Hariskhan; W - A

    "Its their "badmashi" (in urdu) over the rest of the world, that's enabling them to "have" that life of luxury."

    So that should define your behaviour? So IJT badmashi is therefore justified. Very limiting, I think.

    If the 'Forces of Satan' commit rape and murder, so should you ? Brilliant; got it.

    Why did the University have to close? IJT could have had their function without causing any disruption to others, is this not part of your faith? ie not cause distress and disruption to other peoples lives.

    Your write;

    "I thought, by now it was well established from his contributions on multiple threads on this forum, that Mr. "Sharif Aadmi" here has "Indian interests" at heart in contrast to interests of people of Pakistan, in contrast to interests of Muslims."

    Ah finally we have someone who knows about everything someone has in their heart. So is it a hotline with God you have or is it your your Einstein sized brains (oops sorry, he was a Jew)?

    Since you know; What does Manmohan Singh have in his heart?

    IJT behaviour in Punjab University is a total and complete disgrace. It single-handedly disgraces Islam without the need for any help from anyone.

    Out of interest; Do you condemn the forced closure of Punjab University by IJT?

    Last but not the least; start a thread, 'The Life of Luxury and the Western badmashi'

    Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 11:57 #

  5. sultanalikhan
    Member

    The question is when Jamat was doing all this, where was the govt? and why did it allow Jamat to make this happen? Aren't govt supposed to maintain law & order and exercise its writ on those violating the rules???

    Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 12:06 #

  6. stingingnettle
    Member

    SultanAliKhan;

    You do have a point.

    My worry is as follows; are we totally incapable of behaving in a reasonable and lawful manner unless 'police ka danda' is over our heads?

    I notice a lot of people stopping at red lights only if there is danger of being caught.

    Is this how bad things have got? We seem to be incapable of doing anything right unless there is an element of fear.

    Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 12:13 #

  7. bsobaid
    Member

    Harris Bhai Jan Walaikum Salam,

    Long time no see. aap shadi kay baad se ghaib hee hogaey:)

    Sir, west is no angel and they have exploited other nations for petty and selfish benefits for centuries but their wrong doing does not justify our wrong doing.

    Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 16:09 #

  8. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    Mr.Harris

    "
    that Mr. "Sharif Aadmi" here has "Indian interests" at heart in contrast to interests of people of Pakistan, in contrast to interests of Muslims
    "

    Since when pointing to JI badmashashi has become "Indian Interests" or in contrast to interests of peopoel of pakistna or muslims.

    If u have any claim of credibility , establish a pool and u will see what crediblity u have .

    Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 22:41 #

  9. khanseena1
    Member

    Why blame IJT alone, Its also the local govt fault for not standing up to local parties when they disrupt education at a teaching institution.

    Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 22:49 #

  10. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    khanseena1

    Have u heard it any other uni or for any other political party.

    I m an old Ravian and still remember that i attended the classes on the very day , a union member was murdered in college canteen. (if i remember correctly , his name was ghiyas and it was jun 91)

    Posted 7 months ago on 18 Oct 2011 23:18 #

  11. yusafkhan
    Member

    Haris is an old IJT terrorist! I have said it once and will say it again. The IJT is a terrorist and a fascist organisation. In fact even, JI is a fascist organisation. They should be banned!

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 4:02 #

  12. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    JI and JUI have been supportive to the terrorists and suicide bombers. They never raised any voice of protest over the killings of innocent people in mosques, shrines, colleges, schools and different public places. They rather express supportive statements in the favour of terrorists and suicide bombers.

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 12:06 #

  13. ChangeIK
    Blocked

    IJT should be banned from all campuses for being a terrorist group.

    Student unions should be allowed, but any organization which indulges in violence should be banned.

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 12:31 #

  14. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    The use of fire-weapons was made by Jamiat for the first time in Karachi University. The other student union then followed the same precedent.

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 12:34 #

  15. toamin
    member

    بدمعاشی ہے جی بدمعاشی
    اپنی ہو تو اچھی لگتی ہے، دوسرے کی ہو تو تکلیف ہوتی ہے

    :)

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 12:55 #

  16. ChangeIK
    Blocked

    @HF,

    But this is no excuse. Insaf Student Federation has not followed suit all the parties of Pakistan doing thuggry.

    MQM is a violent thugg party and there is no excuse about it.

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 12:58 #

  17. stingingnettle
    Member

    I know a think or two about IJT because an EX-friend joined using his connections and rishtaydari, to get a place in Punjab University (for which did not have the marks or ability). You'd be surprised to know that there used to be (perhaps even still are) reserved places for political parties! I know you are laughing.

    So I speak from real knowledge; IJT is fundamentally a criminal organisation at best and at worst it is a terrorist organisation. I am sure most people know this and don't know me to tell them this.

    The EX before the friend was my way of saying to this individual that I could not be part of his sick and violent life any more.

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 15:01 #

  18. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    Why make only Haris a target, there are others from his cadre, have we forget the Doctor Death who only wakes up when people dies on the street of Karachi and later recedes to his hybernation mode:)

    Although I really enjoyed the following excerpt from his post:

    Its their "badmashi" (in urdu) over the rest of the world, that's enabling them to "have" that life of luxury.

    So Mr. Jamaati and his cadre is in search of 'life of luxury' by hooks and crooks. Well, JI is 70 years old party, I am hoping its taking last few breaths. Mr. Haris, looking at your aspirations, I would suggest you to join PPP. It is better and effective suitable alternative for your dreams coming true.

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 16:31 #

  19. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    You people are sure fast at taking the "wrong meaning" of the words someone puts up.

    (sarcasm) Do you guys want me to clap for this display of "brilliance" ? (/sarcasm)

    Why do I always have to explain everything in detail, for you people to understand it ?

    Can't you guys do your own research into what someone is talking about ?

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    *hint* I'm not using "badmuashi" (in urdu) in its literal sense in my words, in the above post(s).

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    P.S. To-date, I have never been a part of IJT in all my life.

    You guys engage in too much "idle speculation".

    $me shakes head

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 18:13 #

  20. kami1232
    Member

    اس میں بدمعاشی والی تو کوئی بات نہیں ہےکیوں خواہ مخواہ چولیں مار رہے ہو
    نہ جمیت نے کہا تھا کہ یونیورسٹی بند کرو نہ جمیت نے یونیورسٹی بند کروائی بلکہ انتظامیہ نے خود اپنی مرضی سے چھٹی کی۔
    جمیت نے تو باقایئدہ اجازت لے کر کنونشن اور ریلی کاانعقاد کیا تھا۔

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 19:36 #

  21. stingingnettle
    Member

    Haris Khan

    "(sarcasm) Do you guys want me to clap for this display of "brilliance" ? (/sarcasm)"

    (sarcasm) How about a dance? We can do the clapping (sarcasm)?

    "Why do I always have to explain everything in detail, for you people to understand it ?"

    You are a patronising Trick? Get it? Do I have to explain it to you?

    Here is an easier question;

    "Do you agree with forced closure of Punjab University by IJT for their function?

    Just a simple yes or no.

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 19:37 #

  22. kami1232
    Member

    ^^^
    بھائی میرے جمیعت نے یونیورسٹی بند نہیں کر وایئ تھی۔

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 19:40 #

  23. stingingnettle
    Member

    Kami1232

    I quote from the article;

    "Though PU press statement did not mention reason for the holiday yet it is clear the varsity administration wanted peaceful conclusion of Jamiat s event as some unpleasant and violent incidents occurred during its arrangements in the recent days"

    Why did IJT continue with an event which was marred by violence from the onset? Why can't you hold your 'function' somewhere else off campus? This applies to all the other young stallion organisations under the command of various political parties?

    "A committee comprising senior faculty members and officials had also demanded of the chief minister not to allow Jamiat to hold the event as it would prove a threat to peaceful academic environment at the Punjab University."

    Was this not good enough reason?

    I know butter wouldn't melt in the mouths of the member of IJT, and yes I was born yesterday.

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 20:01 #

  24. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    Here is the article from The News:
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=72761&Cat=2

    And following excerpt clearly indicate the monster is not the University Management but the Punjab Government that has made the event possible:
    It is also important to mention here that Punjab University administration, led by Vice-Chancellor Mujahid Kamran, had opposed allowing the IJT to hold the three-day event.

    PU Core Committee, comprising senior faculty members and officials, had demanded Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif not to allow Jamiat hold the event, terming the same a threat to the peaceful academic environment of the university. However, despite the opposition, the Punjab govt allowed Jamiat to hold the event.

    It is learnt that SP Allama Iqbal Town Muntazir Mehdi had also signed an agreement with Jamiat on behalf of the Punjab government.

    Another article also has evidence:
    http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2011/10/security-concerns-pop-up-for-ijt’s-event-at-pu/
    PU VC Advisor Colonel (r) Ikram Ullah also confirmed that PU administration had not received the permission letter by the committee set up by the CM and said that they would follow the instructions of the committee.

    There is another article in Pakistan Today:
    http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2011/10/punjab-government-bows-before-ijt-yet-again/
    On behalf of the PU VC, sources said the VC was helpless in that the matter concerned the government and JI and said only the government was responsible in case of any security lapses. He said the university had alerted teachers and students to be careful and to protect their families in the presence of thousands IJT activists from across the country. The VC said nothing could be done when the CM was swayed by IJT’s antics easily and had put the entire university at IJT’s mercy even though he had informed the government about the potential threats. The IJT plans to build around 400 washrooms and a 50-bed hospital on campus. The congregation will include an educational session, a software festival and national as well as international political sessions. According to IJT, activists had prepared for the congregation which included constructing 400 toilets to provide ablution facility to 40,000 people at the same time. A huge gallery had been set up for the media personnel. A renovation committee was working within and outside PU to facilitate IJT’s preparations and fine arts students have made a special model for decorating the campus.

    Hope the above mentioning reports quash Mr. Kami1232 claim.

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 20:13 #

  25. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    kami1232

    Why a political party is doing its convention in a university at all ?

    Both the party and admin is wrong in permitting it.

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 20:53 #

  26. stingingnettle
    Member

    Sharif Aadmi;

    That is the exact question I asked?

    I, like you, will wait for the answer to this very anxiously.

    Posted 7 months ago on 19 Oct 2011 21:06 #

  27. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    hK
    "
    Why do I always have to explain everything in detail, for you people to understand it ?
    "

    Hazrat , aap bohut mahaan haain thats why ordinary people like us can't comprehend your point.

    Another example of typical jamaati arrogance.

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 0:13 #

  28. azeem20
    Member

    jamat e islami is a fascist party and its student wing is much more fascist. once my teacher told me an incident, while he used to give lectures in punjab university in law deptt as visiting faculty. once he took his daughter with him in his car to university to make her certificates attested from someone who is authorized to attest. the "Islami inqalaabiis" stoped his car and asked why is he taking a girl in his car.he said she is my daughter, they declared him a liar and rapist and started abusing him. the girl said he is my father real father and it is not illegal and unislamic to go with her father. They broke his car's wind screen and then due to interference of permanent faculty, the "rapist" and the "girl" got free.
    after that the "rapist" left the university and we can just imagine what kind of fascist party jamat e islami is?

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 8:53 #

  29. azeem20
    Member

    jamat e islami is a fascist party and its student wing is much more fascist. once my teacher told me an incident, while he used to give lectures in punjab university in law deptt as visiting faculty. once he took his daughter with him in his car to university to make her certificates attested from someone who is authorized to attest. the "Islami inqalaabiis" stoped his car and asked why is he taking a girl in his car.he said she is my daughter, they declared him a liar and rapist and started abusing him. the girl said he is my father real father and it is not illegal and unislamic to go with her father. They broke his car's wind screen and then due to interference of permanent faculty, the "rapist" and the "girl" got free.
    after that the "rapist" left the university and we can just imagine what kind of fascist party jamat e islami is?

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 8:54 #

  30. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @bsobaid: The point I was trying to make to you, the ones among us who claim to be secularists, was;

    (1) you supported wrongdoing of foreigners for decades

    (2) you are still committed to support wrongdoing of foreigners, till your dying breath

    (3) you won't support your own people, in "any" "cause" what-so-ever

    Yet you "choose" (make the decision) to "complain" about our own people ?

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 9:23 #

  31. stingingnettle
    Member

    Hariskhan:

    Did you get my little crytic number;

    "You are a patronising Trick?" Well?

    Shall I to explain it to you?

    Here is an easier question;

    "Do you agree with forced closure of Punjab University by IJT for their function?

    Your write further;

    "@bsobaid: The point I was trying to make to you, the ones among us who claim to be secularists, was;

    (1) you supported wrongdoing of foreigners for decades

    (2) you are still committed to support wrongdoing of foreigners, till your dying breath

    (3) you won't support your own people, in "any" "cause" what-so-ever"

    Did you read what this thread was about?

    Open a different thread for secularists low life and 'dying breath' and other 'cause' you want to talk about?

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 9:34 #

  32. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @stingingnettle: Are you the only one who is part of this community, who one has to discuss matters with ?

    Can't you wait ? You'v put up a question. Now wait for me to address it.

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 10:25 #

  33. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @bsobaid: Thank you for remembering me.

    I got busy after marriage, in that chores of real life caught up with me. I completed one certification. Then shifted focus onto the next in order to get a good job / business.

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 10:36 #

  34. stingingnettle
    Member

    Hariskhan;

    We are all waiting for your cryptic gems. You must think we care about you life story, mustn't you? I won't bring you back to earth.

    And the connection between you happy married life and Punjab University closure?

    You can tell bsobaid about your plans for a happy life and your job in a pm or an email. I trust you know that is?

    You were about to answer the question......

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 10:55 #

  35. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @stingingnettle: (sarcasm) I forgot we were a community of computers, rather than human beings on PKPolitics.

    My! bad. (/sarcasm)

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    In addressing your question, I need to know what you know about;

    (1) IJT
    (2) PU
    (3) Student life at PU
    (4) Student politics at PU
    (5) Student Politics in general

    (6) history of Pakistan
    (7) history of people of Pakistan
    (8) how people of Pakistan conduct themselves
    (9) the prevailing system in this country
    (10) how the prevailing system is being run in this country

    after that I need to know;

    (11) what code of conduct do you subscribe to
    (12) what code of conduct do you actually live by

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 12:37 #

  36. stingingnettle
    Member

    Hariskhan;

    (sarcasm) Brilliant. (Sarcasm)

    I wonder what information you must need to have before putting on your clothes in the morning. Get the sarcasm.

    You were answering the question;

    Is it right to close the university for the IJT luvies convention with its 400 toilets? I wonder why they needed 400 toilets? (That was sarcasm too)

    So you were about to answer the question?

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 13:23 #

  37. stingingnettle
    Member

    Hariskhan;

    And yes; how many questions do you ask before you brush your teeth? Should I help?

    Couldn't resist more sarcasm.

    You were saying something about PU.....I am all ears.

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 13:25 #

  38. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    I agree with most of you guys above, when you say;

    (1) Govt. or the University authorities should have provided proper space where this function should normally take place

    (2) the fact that all of the University does not need to be closed for having a function for student union(s)

    (3) the fact that Govt. should have done something about this situation a long time ago

    Having said that, we all know the;

    (1) system
    (2) environment

    we are living in. We all know the type of people we are living among.

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 14:33 #

  39. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @stingingnettle: You want a straight answer ?

    Yes, there was a better way of doing it. There's always the right way of doing things.

    Having said that, I can raise many other linked issues that "need" to be improved upon, which are the root cause of what you are talking about on this thread. Yet, when I probe you, I see no interest on your part in resolving the issue from its root.

    When I note that, you give me the right to snub you with my sarcasm. You don't get that same right because of your position/stance on the issue at hand.

    Are you ready to go to the root of this problem ? or are you only interested in denouncing one instance/symptom of the root cause ?

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    If your interest is only to win an argument, to denounce one instance/symptom of the issue, then its of no use to address your question. Many have wanted the same in the past, over the coarse of multiple decades and have gotten no where.

    My questions of you, my interest in this instance is legitimate when I want to note/see how you conduct yourself with respect to this issue. Why ? Because it will establish your credibility, in this regard.

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    I have legitimate concern when I ask you to answer my questions before I address yours. It establishes;

    (1) who am I discussing matters with ?
    (2) how does he conduct himself ?
    (3) what is credibility of the one asking questions ?

    and these things do matter in this kind of discourse.

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    P.S. I'm not impressed at this pathetic display of sarcasm. I could answer it, but then I don't need to, since I don't want to get into worthless, meaningless word-brawl/arguments that have no constructive output.

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 14:34 #

  40. stingingnettle
    Member

    Hariskhan

    I don't want the root cause talk. For that you need to start a new thread;

    In any case you write;

    "(1) Govt. or the University authorities should have provided proper space where this function should normally take place

    (2) the fact that all of the University does not need to be closed for having a function for student union(s)

    (3) the fact that Govt. should have done something about this situation a long time ago"

    It's NOT for the Govt or Uni to provide any organisation with space for their functions. Private function should be arranged and paid for privately. So political student organisations should make their own arrangement privately away from the University so that those who want to learn can carry on learning. The Govt-should-provide is an archaic mentality.

    On your second point; A university MUST not close for any function.

    On point three; Government should not be wasting time on mediating private functions; What kind of university students are these, who can't even organise a convention without the need of nanny Government helping them.

    I look forward to contributing your thread (if you start one) about root causes etc.

    Lastly, it is highly patronising and old-school to ask a dozen questions before answering a simple question.

    I have no more to say.

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 14:46 #

  41. hariskhan
    member

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @stingingnettle: *sigh* your credibility shows.

    You didn't deserve my response. I have nothing further to say to you, in this regard.

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 14:53 #

  42. stingingnettle
    Member

    Hariskhan;

    I can see your credibility too, the feeling is mutual.

    In this day and age you cannot hide behind hyperbole and delay.

    I hope no more superiority and vagueness from you.

    Please don't forget I am looking forward to your thread on root causes of stuff in PU or wherever else. If you care about your issues, don't make us wait too long for this thread.

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 14:58 #

  43. stingingnettle
    Member

    Hariskhan;

    Why do I have a feeling you won't start the 'root causes' thread?

    Lets have depth, start the thread.

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 15:03 #

  44. Sharif Aadmi
    Member

    stingingnettle

    Mubarik hoo bahi. U suffer from the same credibility deficit for which i have already got fatwa.

    Looking at this whole thread , barring one member , everyone has condemened the news .

    Isn't a verdict that who lacks credibility.

    Posted 7 months ago on 20 Oct 2011 23:24 #

  45. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    The behaviour of religious political organizations has been very disappointing. They maintain double standards. On one hand they preach goodness and on the other hand they do otherwise.

    Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 7:18 #

  46. stingingnettle
    Member

    Sharif Aadmi,

    "Mubarik hoo bahi. U suffer from the same credibility deficit for which i have already got fatwa."

    You mean I am not first in the queue! That's a shame.

    Do you think Hariskhan will come up with a thread to discuss root causes of all ills especially Punjab University IJT and other carroty stuff?

    May be no one fit's his high standards of credibility or perhaps no one can pass is Matriculation Paper on High Standards ---- 12-questions with no choice at all.

    Posted 7 months ago on 21 Oct 2011 8:37 #

  47. sweettruth
    Member

    Culture and now system of our entire society is based on badmashi and ghundagardi. What is wrong if IJT is having a day off in Punjab University? IJT is enforcing its writ where it can; others do badmashi/ghundagardi wherever they can. IJT's influence is shrinking in all over Pakistan; in my days in Karachi University during early 80's, IJT was all powerful and equipped with AK 47 intimidating students but now MQM has reduced their influence.

    I think in return for "IJT's great services" for the welfare of Punjab university students there should be no objection on their forceful holiday.

    Posted 7 months ago on 25 Oct 2011 3:45 #

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