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JI+ PTI vs PMLN +JUI (diezel) ..in KPK

(23 posts)
  1. drgulkhan

    What will be results in KPK as a molana Fazlu and PMLn alliance vs JI and PTI alliance is most likely to happen.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 10:20 #
  2. adeel

    گل خان بھائی
    اسکا کوئی لنک یا کوئی کلپ یا کوئی اور استعارہ بھی ہے یا یہ بھی آپکے پہلے تھریڈ کی طرح عدم ثبوت کی بنیاد پر بند ہو جاۓ گا
    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/9-mna-and-13-mpa-of-pmln-to-join-ptidunya-news-reporting

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 10:33 #
  3. FineInsaf

    Listen to the following program. Ameer-ul-Azeem (JI) makes it clear that JI's top priority is PTI. Good on him.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 10:54 #
  4. khawajakhalid

    pmmln and juif alliance will have an edge over pti ji alliance in hazara and southern districts.ptin ji alliance will have an upper hand in peshawer valley while malkand we can have an even contest between these 2 alliances.I think we need to wait for JI decision.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 11:50 #
  5. drgulkhan

    alliance is already done..they are just waiting for pti elections to end

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 12:14 #
  6. Adonis

    JI has decided not to get into any alliance. It will however do seat adjustment on particular seats with like-minded parties including both PMLN and PTI.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 12:22 #
  7. Shirazi

    So JI will be PTI ally in KPK and PMLN in rest of Pakistan?

    :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 12:23 #
  8. Adonis

    Actually, it will be something like PMLN + JI in NA13 and PTI + JI in NA14. Go figure that !!!

    But it is only JI's proposal so far.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 12:28 #
  9. drgulkhan

    There will be a anti PPP and Mqm alliance in sindh...
    JI and even PTI may be also part of that togather.

    But in rest of country there will be seat adjustments between JI and PTI

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 12:30 #
  10. faari249

    Hamid Mir in his program said it categorically that NS has met with JI leadership when he went to sindh to meet Pir Pagaro and they have agreed to form an alliance.

    Secondly, JI has announced acouple of days ago to work with JUI-F which is already in alliance with PMLN.

    Thirdly, IK has given up, changed his stance and announced to go into elections without any alliance.

    Everything is pointing in direction of JI's alliance with PMLN.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 13:08 #
  11. Imtnan

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 13:26 #
  12. drgulkhan

    PMLn wil be second choice if things with PTI do not work out for JI..

    JI has not announced any alliance yet...although PMLn has great desire to rope in JI and PMLn leaders are trying to give impression that JI is already on board.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 13:36 #
  13. faari249

    PTI and PMLN both have expressed their desire to form an alliance with JI on several occasions. historically, NS doesn't speak anything in ublic untill he's quite certain. So, my gut feeling is, JI would go with PMLN and other indicators are showing the same. lets wait till JI confirmation.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 14:26 #
  14. faari249

    If PTI were the first choice, it would have happened ages ago...

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 14:27 #
  15. mango mam

    There is no possibility of JI and PTI alliance in KPK; The reason is quite simple; they have constituency clash in kpk; They might do seat adjustments on some lost battles like Hazara;

    JI cannot benefit much from PMLN and vice versa; so there will be seat adjustment all over the country

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 14:42 #
  16. juttjee420

    I heard JI has proposed seat adjustment in lahore with PMLN 10 to 4. Please dont blast me if iam wrong lol.

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 16:31 #
  17. Anwer Kamal

    JI and no one else is thinking for an alliance .
    However Great Zardari will welcome Ik under his policy of reconciliation .

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 16:38 #
  18. adeel

    Gul Khan I dont know about JI **** PTI alliance but whats the truth about Masood Khattak leaving PTI?
    http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2013/03/06/news/national/masood-sharif-khattak-parts-ways-with-imran-khan/

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 16:58 #
  19. drgulkhan

    He got disgruntled when his group lost elections...but he has not yet resigned officially....

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 17:05 #
  20. mango mam

    @dr sahib

    So you will wait until he formally leaves PTI and then you will start abusing him; Why not start now?

    he was symbol of status-quo, mufad parast, etc..............................

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 17:07 #
  21. FineInsaf

    @mango mam bhai,

    If he is leaving the party because he can't stand intra-party elections and wants ticket in a platter, ain't he a symbol of status quo and opportunist?

    It's the conduct of a person that makes him who he is, not a tag on his forehead. Do you think status quo people have a tag on their heads?

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2013 17:12 #
  22. bechari-awam

    ^^ Now I am totally convinced that internal party elections just like we have in US, Canada or as a matter of fact in any western democracy is not suited in developing countries where literacy ratio is low and thana/baradari culture is strong. I totally appreciate PTI for going into this exercise and acted as an eye-opener for established parties and I think they will not repeat this mistake at least for next 20 yrs. Even in countries like India where there is an established democracy, we don't have party elections in this form. The reason being elections can be bought like what we just saw and actual deserving candidates lose out due to lack of money and baradarism.

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Mar 2013 0:16 #
  23. FineInsaf

    ^^^Actually, PTI intra-party elections results are largely very positive. A lot of poor people with no Baradari or money came forward.

    This particular Masood Khattak has a big baradari following and is a former IB chief. He thinks it is unbecoming of him to stand with the Chacha Hamayuns of his province.

    Let me tell you - it's a system. If more people participate in the system, better leadership will come. The system is important.

    The argument you are giving is no different from a more aggressive form of this argument, which considers Pakistanis unworthy of the same rights and responsibilities as given in the developed world. Your argument against intra-party elections is a tone-downed version of the argument that "There should be no democracy at all in Pakistan because the people are so illiterate and therefore unworthy of the right to choose their leaders", a scornful perception of common people.

    If the same "illiterate people" that you look down upon can choose a certain "group" to rule the country, why can't they choose those within that "group"?

    Let me give you an insight. The purpose of democracy is precisely to give the people caught up in many of the problems the right to chose their representatives and the theory behind it is that those people are best suited to do that because they know their problems and will have their problems heard.

    It is sickening to deny people the right to representation because they are affected by a problem, be it illiteracy or lack of clean drinking water.

    There can be NO genuine democracy without intra-party elections, because democracy has to go to the basic level. When there is no democracy in a party, you have people who don't deserve to be on the top get on the top, and then, what would be the result? Not much different to a pure dictatorship.

    Think from a broader perspective, rather than petty mindset of scoring an election.

    India should not be our example. It's lack of genuine democracy within parties is not its asset.

    India is way behind of what it could be compared to many newly developed or developing countries. It has stupendous levels of poverty, yet a militaristic aspiration to have hegemony in the region and therefore it spends billions on defense while its people lack basic facilities like clean drinking water in many parts.

    Maybe this would not be the case if there were genuine democracy within parties, and they were more close to the people's needs as a result?

    This intra-party elections will make PTI an institution against which PPP and PMLN will look like mockeries of democracy (which they actually are). Just wait and see.

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Mar 2013 8:54 #

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