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Karachi ranked sixth most liveable city (from Bottom)!

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  1. msohail83


    1. Vancouver, Canada
    2. Melbourne, Australia
    3. Vienna, Austria
    4. Toronto, Canada
    5. Calgary, Canada
    6. Helsinki, Finland
    7. Sydney, Australia
    8. Perth, Australia
    8. Adelaide, Australia


    1. Harare, Zimbabwe
    2. Dhaka , Bangladesh
    3. Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea
    4. Lagos, Nigeria
    5. Algiers , Algeria
    6. Karachi, Pakistan
    7. Douala, Cameroon
    8. Tehran, Iran
    9. Dakar, Senegal
    10. Colombo, Sri Lanka

    Is MQM gonna fully own this one?

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 6:04 #

    Could you please also mention the source for this ranking?

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 6:06 #
  3. msohail83

  4. Thanks for the link msohail83. I have posted it in your above post.

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 6:19 #
  5. Zoab Khan

    Wait till MQM puts this on every board in Karachi.

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 6:29 #
  6. Zoab Khan

    Why isn't San Francisco, Killlaaa, Kalifornia in the list?

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 6:30 #
  7. shirazi

    Almost all of the bottom 10 are from Africa or South Asia. Tehran is 8th from bottom between Karachi and Colombo. I am surprised to see Dhaka as 2nd worst and none of the Indian metropolitans in bottom 10.

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 6:31 #
  8. msohail83

    I think the most striking part was no US city making the top 10 list, and Pittsburgh getting ranked the top most liveable city, really!!!

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 6:35 #
  9. @msohail83
    "Pittsburgh getting ranked the top most liveable city, really!!! "

    That alone should tell you not to take this list seriously. Another hint is Tehran at no. 8 from the bottom...between Douala and Dakar

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 7:01 #
  10. oneUp

    looks indian city in bottom list how's that possible

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 16:23 #
  11. truths

    why not this credit to mqm/mustafa kamal

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 18:37 #
  12. Truthlover

    Don't you trust these instruments i the hands of zionists!
    All these numberings are politically motivated.
    India is spared as usual.
    Six of ten are Muslim countries.

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 18:47 #
  13. Truthlover

    It seems only Australia and Canada are liveable, what a joke!

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 18:49 #
  14. expakistani

    Karachi is the only place i want to live in Pakistan, even if i have to live in Lyari or Orangi town....

    Karachi has what Dubai or Vancouver cant provide ... so basically if you put my list and criteria

    karachi is # 1 LIVEABLE city.

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 19:00 #
  15. I think you folks are misunderstanding the term liveable. It basically means cities where all necesseties of life are provided. Concepts like equality, transparacy, justice and peace are accessible to all citizens, unfortunatly for us none these exist in any city of Pakistan. I have been to 3 of the cities on that list and I can say they are the nicest cities I have ever been to interms of equality, justice, peace, infrastructure etc.

    Are we really suprised that Karachi made it to bottom of that list?? rampant lawlessness, burning people alive, target killings, bombings, ethnic violance, need I say more!

    Obviously, everyone loves their hometowns and cities etc but that is not what this list is all about!!

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 19:11 #
  16. bsobaid

    Only thing I am surprised at is no Indian city making to the list which is a complete BS. India spends huge money on PR.

    I am not surprised at all seeing Karachi in bottom 10.

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 19:17 #
  17. Truthlover

    @ dell,
    We aren't talking about anything here but listing the cities in this unscientific manner. There are hundreds of beautiful cities around the world that can qualify as most liveable but no one mentions them, the same can be said about most unliveable. There is no yardstick that cam measure the liveability!

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 19:22 #
  18. @Truthlover

    Beauty is not a prerequisite for choosing the liveable cities if you got an impression from my post that I was commenting based on their "beauty" than you are wrong. Perhaps, you didn't read the article, see below

    The Economist Intelligence Unit survey ranks cities based on 30 factors such as healthcare, culture and environment, and education and personal safety.

    Canada and Australia have one of the top most healthcare system in the world, Australia has a voting rate of 99%, Can/Aus have one the most transparant governments in the world according to Transperacny international etc.

    Everything is not a conspiracy my friend, if anything this should be taken as an eye opener and an alarming situation!!!

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 19:45 #
  19. singh isking

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 19:47 #
  20. Qalma'go

    Why are you forgetting this side of India.

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 20:08 #
  21. singh isking

    @ qalma go
    did u watch the video. or just got provoked by the title.

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 20:11 #
  22. singh isking

    @ Qalma go
    i can post thousands of videos portraying negative sides of India or Pakistan. The one i posted is showing development in both countries. There are millions of you tube users from India and Pakistan throwing muddy water on each other. The video i posted is showing respect to each other and development in both countries . I think u missed the point.

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 20:16 #
  23. oneUp

    canada is liveable for polar bears

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 20:49 #
  24. Yasser6

    @sing isking

    I apologise on behalf of Qalma'go.

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 20:52 #
  25. singh isking

    @ oneup
    i have visited the Canadian cities in the list. it is quite safe to say they are livable by polar bears.

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 20:58 #
  26. singh isking

    There is Punjabi sher for the situation of flashing cities.
    Khob ne eh jhanjran chankan laye,
    per koi cha (happiness) vi taan de nachaan(dance) laye

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 21:04 #
  27. Yasser6

    @sing isking
    I think your Pujabi has gone a bit rusty. I thought Cha meant "Shauq" "Desire"?????

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 21:12 #
  28. Both are correct like cha chariya and dil which cha hai..

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 21:17 #
  29. Yasser6

    My understanding is based on this:

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 21:28 #
  30. singh isking

    bottom line is these shining cities lack the cha (happiness, desire, shauq) at least for immigrants.

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 21:35 #
  31. barackosama

    Mercer's City Ranking
    City Country Rating
    1 Vienna Austria 108.6
    2 Zurich Switzerland 108
    3 Geneva Switzerland 107.9
    4 AucklandNew Zealand 107.4
    Vancouver Canada 107.4
    6 Düsseldorf Germany 107.2
    7 Frankfurt Germany 107
    Munich Germany 107
    9 Bern Switzerland 106.5
    10 Sydney Australia 106.3

    The Economist's World's Most Livable Cities 2011 (Top 10)
    City Country Rating
    1 Vancouver Canada 98.0
    2 Melbourne Australia 97.5
    3 Vienna Austria 97.4
    4 Toronto Canada 97.2
    5 Calgary Canada 96.6
    6 Helsinki Finland 96.2
    7 Sydney Australia 96.1
    8 Perth Australia 95.9
    Adelaide Australia 95.9
    10 Auckland New Zealand 95.7

    Monocle's Most Livable Cities Index 2010
    City Country 2009
    1 Munich Germany (04)
    2 Copenhagen Denmark (02)
    3 Zurich Switzerland (01)
    4 Tokyo Japan (03)
    5 Helsinki Finland (05)
    6 Stockholm Sweden (06)
    7 Paris France (08)
    8 Vienna Austria (07)
    9 Melbourne Australia (09)
    10 Madrid Spain (12)

    I was glad to see these lists.

    Posted 4 years ago on 22 Feb 2011 23:31 #
  32. zenith

    The political unrest would account for the low ranking of Pakistani cities.I guess same with Tehran. Beijing is 72nd and Hongkong is 31st. India's Mumbai was 150th a couple of years ago and not much improvement I guess in crime and traffic reduction.

    Posted 4 years ago on 23 Feb 2011 0:08 #
  33. quaidkamazaar

    well... if you accept these results. this 6th most livable from bottom city in the world is still heart and blood in economy of Pakistan and its most cosmopolitan city.
    it would be unfair to just put negative light only and not appreciate anything in the biggest city of your country.

    Posted 4 years ago on 23 Feb 2011 4:40 #
  34. shirazi


    Mustafa Kamal among top three mayors of the world and the city that he lead is 6th from the bottom. How 'd you explain this contradiction? Some body screwed up either who ranked Karachi this low or Mustafa Kamal that high?

    Posted 4 years ago on 23 Feb 2011 5:19 #
  35. Beenai

    so much for the ownership of Karachi.
    every single party wanna win Karachi.
    but none of them are working for Karachi.

    Posted 4 years ago on 23 Feb 2011 6:30 #
  36. Hussain Farooqui

    My father went to Mumbai. He woke up in the next morning at the time of Fajar to offer prayers in a mosques which was near to the hotel. When my father stepped out of his expensive hotel, he found all the footpaths occupied by sleeping people. He went to the mosque walking on roads. When he was coming back from the mosque, he found policemen lashing over the sleeping people to be awakened.

    Similarly, a tourist stayed in an expensive hotel of Agra. He concluded that Taj Mahal was in a walking distance, so he decided to walk up to Taj Mahal. When he moved out to walk up to Taj Mahal, he found so much filth, human stool and urine on the way that he felt nausea and then decided to catch a commercial vehicle to reach Taj Mahal.

    Posted 4 years ago on 23 Feb 2011 15:41 #
  37. Truthlover

    @ dell,

    Regardless of what you take in consideration, it's impossible to rank the quality of life in the cities that have gone monsterous by the passage of time. I believe that despite their high standards of health, law and order and other socio-economic developmnents, Canadians and Australian cities aren't the roll models. If you really want to know then read little about welfare states of scandinavia, Germany, Austria and other European states, who are offering far more than what Canada and Austraia can.
    The same goes for the cities that lay on the bottom of the list. What about Kabul, Baghdad, Calcutta.....?
    The cities like Riyad, Amman, Cairo.... aren't mention anywhere either, why, are they class of their own?
    My friend,I don't buy this argument of yours that west is fair. That's not true, regardless of how you define their intentions.

    Posted 4 years ago on 23 Feb 2011 16:03 #
  38. Rizwan Qaimkhani

    MQM is not the sole responsible for the state of affairs; there are other stakeholders for the demise or not letting us reach to that level. The cities listed as top of the list are mostly from top-tier developed nations; in retrospect, it were the countries playing vital role building those cosmopolitans. Where Pakistan belongs to third world hence there should be competitive info based on third world cosmopolitans. I am sure in such ranking, Karachi would fare far better. As anyone can see from one of my previous posts, Pakistan does not care for Health, Education and Social Welfare; it only feeds money to our forces, corrupt politicians and beauruecracy (90% of the budget goes for such). In simpler terms: crap goes in, crap comes out. And yes flux of economic immigrants taking its toll on the city, swaying it down on the basis of unemployment, poverty, enroachments and lawlessness. To deal with lawlessness is not under MQM's control since Police does not come under city jurisdiction. Give us a free hand and we will make Karachi the best city in the world!

    Posted 4 years ago on 23 Feb 2011 16:05 #
  39. quaidkamazaar

    yeah, I think the govt's and establishments inability to give Karachi due importance has a lot to do with it. they were just busy building Islamabad thats why its growth was planned. the longterm development plan of Karachi is only now made my Mustafa Kamal which should have been made 3 decades ago.

    Posted 4 years ago on 25 Feb 2011 3:04 #
  40. quaidkamazaar


    bro, Its not that hard to explain this.

    A mayor can build infrastructure, but to give city residents security and to make sure all laws are abided by is not his responsibility. that becomes a federal and state matter. Mustafa Kamal kept saying all these years that "own Karachi" to people of Karachi like its your house, there were massive improvements. but crime law and order drug mafia gang warfare all this is something he could do nothing about and i think it is these same things that has caused Karachi to become bottom 6th.

    Posted 4 years ago on 25 Feb 2011 3:08 #
  41. shirazi


    You have a valid argument. Police in case of Karachi is not under the mayor unlike many other metropolitans. But how much MQM is responsible for Karachi's present law and order, very relevant debate.

    Posted 4 years ago on 25 Feb 2011 3:17 #
  42. Beenai

    when the so called leaders and owners of Karachi gives a **** about Karachi,why compliant for federal Govt of not giving due importance to Karachi?

    Posted 4 years ago on 25 Feb 2011 5:01 #
  43. Rizwan Qaimkhani

    For your information, it is the federal responsibility to take care of its citizen especially the economic supply line. Probably it is hidden from you but Mayor Abdul Sattar Afghani was sacked for asking few percentage of the 60% revenue of Pakistan for the betterment of the city. Take any metropolitan in civilized and developed nation, if there is a need for infrastructure development, it becomes the responsibility of state/province and federal government. And federal can never layoff the responsibility of social welfare, health and education along with the province wether it is Canada or France. Probably you need to dig deeper before making irresponsible and biggoted comments.

    Posted 4 years ago on 25 Feb 2011 5:08 #
  44. Beenai

    yes,i do know that Federal Govt is responsible for doing so.
    but u missed my point.
    what i wanna say was totally different.
    i just wanna say,kid has to cry first,in order to get
    food from his Mother.
    our so called leaders of Karachi,only cries for their own food not for the larger benefit of Karachi.

    Posted 4 years ago on 25 Feb 2011 5:13 #
  45. Rizwan Qaimkhani

    Thanks for bringing that analogy; but as you have agreed that Federal Government is responsible than would you say responsible parent would wait for their kids to cry. I don't know if I really like to call them parents. Now Pakistan is not a young parent; it is in his 50s, probably it should grow the hell up. Besides when Afghani cried he was being beaten up by our own Karachi Police. I really pity that poor soul for doing something that JI itself including Ghafoora and Mnawar couldn't do.

    Posted 4 years ago on 25 Feb 2011 5:20 #
  46. Sweettruth

    I will again stress on creating new smaller Provinces to improve living conditions of large cities like Karachi. We need a province for every 10 million population and Karachi has almost 20 million population and which is hard to manage by a city Govt. We need new smaller provinces and smaller manageable cities to improve our rating.

    Posted 4 years ago on 25 Feb 2011 10:36 #
  47. Rizwan Qaimkhani

    Your suggestion will fall on deaf ears; nationalist won't let you do that and especially those corrupt power and money mongers. If you look outside lets say at US, they do have concentration in NYC but they also have created the chains of megapolitans around it in New Jersey and Connecticut. That results into mutual growth for bordering States within. If and only if we adopt similar tactics, we can all be prosper. Not only Karachi, but Sialkot, Lahore should all have supporting chains providing necessary economical opportunities for local and economic migrants. We need choices and opportunities closer to our homes; people don't move to Karachi for sightseeing, they come here mostly for economical reasons. To me we need common sense revolution.

    Posted 4 years ago on 25 Feb 2011 12:40 #
  48. Sweettruth

    @Rizwan Qaimkhani

    You are absolutely right! Our greedy ruling mafia do not want to solve any problems public face day in day out. We need a Province for every 10 million population otherwise current social anarachy will continue to grow in the years to come. Dividing cities and creating new smaller provinces is the only solution left to overcome current problems. Unfortunately common sense is not so common in Pakistan.

    Posted 4 years ago on 25 Feb 2011 13:34 #
  49. Rizwan Qaimkhani

    Though I am straying off the topic but majority of our problems related to economy. The country has money and we do not need aids from anywhere; it is just concentrated in fewer hands. By no mean, I am socialist but we do need better division of wealth to boost economy. Look at Germany, they tax heavily on wealthiest industrialists (since it is industrial nation) to boost economy by investing heavily in the SMEs (Small & Medium size Enterprise) growth. That is bringing Germany to economic forefront. When I see the rhetorics about taxing the corrupt politicians and zamindars; I don't find what could be done with that promised revenue. That shows lack of strategy and stem for further corruption.

    Posted 4 years ago on 25 Feb 2011 13:50 #
  50. quaidkamazaar

    @ Rizwan bhai

    well atleast Pakistan's tax net needs to be increased. I mean it also makes sense that people will pay tax only when they know their money is being spent in the right direction. but the politicians can make a statement if the start by taxing the feudal lords more than aam aadmi. feudal lords seem to be exempt of any tax.

    Posted 4 years ago on 26 Feb 2011 8:16 #

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