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Kashmir issue is dead since failure of the Murree Summit...

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  1. Indian army back in Srinagar. Curfew declared. Kashmir issue was on track till 1963 when some events happened changing all and resulted into what we and our Kashmiri brothers are facing today.

    An interesting account of events regardless of the source that many may not like but please read through the whole article.

    ‘Ayub Khan did not abandon his new line on Kashmir after the failure of the Murree summit. He said on March 22, 1961: “If there is any other reasonable solution as would satisfy the people of Kashmir we should be prepared to listen.” Manzur Qadir said in Calcutta on March 26, 1961, that Pakistan was willing to consider proposals acceptable to all the three sides. In New Delhi, on July 8, 1961, Lt.-Gen. K.M. Sheikh said that Pakistan was prepared for a solution other than a plebiscite, but such a solution should come from India.
    Rightly so. Plebiscite, based on the agreed U.N. resolutions, was an agreed course. If India rejected it, the onus of suggesting an alternative lay on it. While publicly professing commitment to a plebiscite, Nehru had since 1948 in private repeatedly suggested partition based on the status quo. He never offered a via media.
    In April 1960, he rejected Zhou's offer of a settlement based on the status quo on the grounds it was arrived at by recourse to force. In September 1960, he offered Ayub Khan a settlement based on precisely such a status quo.
    But there was a vital difference. Zhou's offer conceded India's non-negotiable vital interest, the McMahon Line. Nehru's offer to Ayub did not offer any compromise formula on the Kashmir Valley. The two failed summits of 1960 exacted a big toll.
    Rebuffed by Nehru repeatedly, resoundingly from 1960 to 1963, Ayub Khan became receptive to Zulfikar Ali Bhutto's advice to settle the matter by recourse to force. On May 12, 1965, Bhutto wrote a letter to the President advocating this course. It began with a foolish assumption: “India is at present in no position to risk a general war of unlimited duration. India's capacity increases with the passage of every single day…” (White Paper on the Jammu & Kashmir Dispute, Government of Pakistan 1977; page 82). Ergo strike now.
    India proved the assumption wrong. Pakistan's adventure was doomed from the start. The Economist said in an editorial “Pakistan cannot Win”.
    This ruinous folly destroyed Ayub Khan, alienated East Pakistan further, wrecked the progress Pakistan had achieved and silenced advocates of plebiscite in India, led by Jayaprakash Narayan. Bhutto bounced back to inflict yet greater havoc on his country in 1971 and later.’
    Complete article: http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2713/stories/20100702271308100.htm

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jul 2010 6:59 #
  2. Patriot, following your request, I read through your article, in spite of its obvious bias. Well, it still does not advance us much further as regards the situation today. The Kashmiris stand there alone today, fighting the, correct me if I'm wrong, 700.000 Indian soldiers which have been poured into the valley in recent times. And now they've even decided to take over Srinagar.

    We should not be too harsh on official Pakistan which happens itself to be at war and so finds itself in a weakened situation. Now we count on the highly developed sense of justice of the Kashmiris alone. To say the Kashmir issue has been dead since the failure of the Murree Summit is both misleading and a publicity ploy. It is very much alive and reaching new heights.

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jul 2010 8:37 #
  3. 'This ruinous folly destroyed Ayub Khan, alienated East Pakistan further, wrecked the progress Pakistan had achieved and silenced advocates of plebiscite in India, led by Jayaprakash Narayan. Bhutto bounced back to inflict yet greater havoc on his country in 1971 and later.’

    The last para is interesting!

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jul 2010 19:44 #
  4. If we're going to run down every single thing Pakistan has ever done since inception, we'll only harm ourselves, not make ourselves more resilient. There are still advocates for a Kashmir plebiscite in India today like, for instance, the famous writer Arundathi Roy from whom we picked up the famous Kashmiri march slogan:

    Nanga Bhooka Hindustan
    Jaan Se Pyara Pakistan

    Again, I doubt the Kashmir issue is dead. One way or the other, it will be settled. Muslims are a very stubborn people. And blessed with exemplary patience.

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jul 2010 23:16 #
  5. shimatoree
    Member

    I fail to understand the purpose behind putting this article here.

    As someone who know a bit about what happened in the Military aspect of things- most of the stuff written here about the 1965 situation is speculation at best and nonsense at worst.

    Let me just say this- Kashmir or any other similar political problem will evolve and the end result will not be good for India. If they remove their 700,000 soldiers to-day what will happen ? There is your answer if you are serious about an answer.
    Do not forget the Maoist movement in India today. I have visited some of the provinces affected and let me assure you the problem is far bigger than what you read in the papers or what the Govt of India wants you to believe.

    Kashmir is not going away, they might not join Pakistan but I am sure in my lifetime it will become a lot more expensive for India than anyone wants to believe. The world has changed and so have the Kashmiris. The only people who do not understand this are the Indian and the Pakistani official who have their heads burried somewhere smelly.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jul 2010 4:10 #
  6. aslam786
    Member

    One thing is clear that so called jihad-e-kashmir sponsored by Pakistan was complete failure. What is working in bringing Kashmir issue up is protest by people.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jul 2010 5:18 #
  7. I have read this whole article (link). I think India never was or is serious to solve this stalemate. Such as:

    “It was clear that the intimate talks between President Ayub and Prime Minister Nehru in the quiet of the pleasant Murree hills, from which Ayub had expected the commencement of a new chapter in relations had, instead, proved an unmitigated disaster. This was evident from Ayub's bitter remarks to me in London some months earlier. All that Ayub Khan revealed was that when he tried to open a conversation about Kashmir, Nehru simply stared out of the window at the scenery and ‘shut up like a clam'. From that time the relations between the two countries, which had been built up brick by brick, suddenly collapsed in rubble” (pages 301-303). What exactly happened at Murree on that fateful day, September 21, 1960?

    As for Nehru, he was always ready to “talk”. He was never ready to “negotiate”.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jul 2010 6:03 #
  8. I wholly agree with Shimatoree. Kashmir will not go away. It will gain its freedom. And the Maoists will carve its own domain in India.

    Nehru was a very foxy politician. And the country is still in the hands of his family.

    One to think over by the people supporting the latest trend I've noticed in the media, Pakistan included (!) of India hero worship.

    The latest move by the biggest "democracy" in the world:

    Media Lies About Kashmir: The disinformation war is underway. Kashmir’s local media has been BANNED (not censored but BANNED!) in the world’s largest democracy, and the Delhi media is being used to spread LIES.

    http://www.countercurrents.org/lies090710.htm

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jul 2010 7:01 #
  9. singh isking
    Member

    "I wholly agree with Shimatoree. Kashmir will not go away. It will gain its freedom. And the Maoists will carve its own domain in India."
    Dreams,Drerams,Dreams.
    how many more suicide attacks in your country you need to wake up from dreams about destroying india and focus on matters in your country and think they are loud enough or you need hearing test.
    and please stop using copy and past tool of others thoughts from others blog.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jul 2010 7:46 #
  10. Hello singh isking. Sad to hear about your Dad. Hope you're slowly recovering.

    Now about your comment above: we stated facts simply. How are we "destroying" India? Could you explain, please. Kashmir has been kept in bondage in spite of the by now old, old UN resolution on a referendum in the country. As for the Maoists, what has that got to do with Pakistan? Have we been giving them support? We just read the writing on the wall of a wholly homegrowm revolutionary movement against injustice in the country. As for our own problems in Pakistan, we'll solve them, never fear, all by ourselves.

    Or is it, I.S., that you're totally denying any unrest in Kashmir at the moment?

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jul 2010 8:01 #
  11. singh isking
    Member

    Thanks for sharing my grief and sorry to interact with you in odd manner in most disputed matter of kashmir to which both countries stand on their version.
    regarding moist no one has accused pakistan and their is big factor of injustice as you said.my whole point was to realise you that yes india is wounded by insurgencies but pakistan is on third stage of cancer called terrorism and my worry about this cancer is this is communicable so please get rid of this first then worry about kasmir unrest as it is will be gone within coming few day however they way to calm down can be disputed and can be discussed.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jul 2010 8:16 #
  12. Thanks S.I. No one is supporting terrorism here. Our problems are multiple, and we'll solve them yet. But even in the midst of our own "cancer", S.I., why should we not join our voice of protest - I said voice, which is really a sort of token support - to those of our brothers and sisters in Kashmir? That right cannot be taken away from us, just as India cannot take away its Islam from Kashmir. This said, we were not gloating over India's problems. Just stating them factually.

    Posted 1 year ago on 10 Jul 2010 8:55 #
  13. Dear Sahnaz, We are putting our own house in order, too. Only we know it's a long-term effort. It cannot be done overnight. Also, I don't understand why people don't see it straightaway, Kashmir, or Palestine, are also part of the problems needed to be solved for Pakistan to feel whole and well again.

    Posted 1 year ago on 11 Jul 2010 16:50 #

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