Oh, how I wish....only thing is we have no 'opposition'...
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Kyrgyzstan govt ousted in violent revolt
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Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 5:19 #
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
I wish our people were bent on being honest, just, brave, self reliant, rather than dishonest, unjust, scard to death, dependent on others.
I want ALLAH ALMIGHTY to give the people the luxury of making the choice, if they want to become honest, just, brave, self reliant or not, sooner than later ?
I want this country/nation to die the miserable death they'v chosen for themselves, if they choose to continue on path of injustice.
I'm sick of this nonsense of criminals calling good people 'criminals'.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 5:49 # -
ali-pk
Memberthe killing of interior minister pleased me~ LoL
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 6:22 # -
In Kyrgyzstan the Tulips Turn Blood Red
By Scott Horton
The presence of fully-outfitted riot police discharging live ammunition into a crowd usually brings demonstrations quickly to a halt. The Kyrgyz demonstrators, however, regroup and strike back violently at the military and police forces deployed against them.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25156.htm
See how all the CIA-engineered "revolutions" and semi-revolutions are going down the drain: Ukraine, I think that was the orange Rev, then Lebanon, the cedar Rev. The Iranian greenie Rev was nipped in the bud. Now the tulip Rev is on its way out. The violet Rev tried out in Italy recently also backfired. Only the rose Rev in Georgia still remains intact, though probably not for very much longer.
If and when our turn comes, pray God it won't carry the name of a colour or flower.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 7:01 # -
And while we are following events in Kyrgyzstan, please to spare a thought for Thailand as well where the Red Shirts are also prepared to lay down their lives to correct a gross political injustice in their country.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 7:09 # -
President flees as gangs go on the rampage in Kyrgyzstan Police overrun as protest at regime leaves 'over a hundred' dead. Violence threatens vital US supply line to troops in Afghanistan.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 7:24 # -
@nota
you are right .... what if we really had an opposition?? then there will be U.N backed economic, international, diplomatic and trade sanctions on Pakistan.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 7:26 # -
So what? Pakistan must learn to stand on its own two feet someday. Iran has survived - and survived very well, indeed. Timorous Pakistan has nothing to fear. If only it knew the extent of its invulnerability. But perhaps we too will learn from our Muslim brethren in Kyrgyzstan. It's never too late to learn.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 7:43 # -
Russia taking revenge for defeat in Afghanistan,
Payback is a ....Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 8:21 # -
You may be right and some Russian role in the Kyrgyz uprising is possible. But not to avenge the defeat in Afghanistan necessarily. Something even more shattering happened to the Russians after that. The collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. And the unipolar world which it brought in its wake.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 8:30 # -
If you check how much aid russia and america pumped in this country for this year. You will get your answer to who worked more hard to make this a satellite country.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 8:46 # -
Well, îf aid is anything to go by, Pakistan definitely counts as a satellite country of the mighty USA. I'm interested in Kyrgyzstan myself for the ways in which it might affect the dirty war in Afghanistan.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 9:21 # -
Pakistan is a satellite that made USA a super power under the guise of 'afghan jihad'. The garbage that we are cleaning today is the outcome of that USA financed fasad of the 1980's.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 9:25 # -
Interesting comment, lota6177 - and not without substance. But I won't get into an argument with you about the Afghan-Soviet war. God knows what exactly went on there. I only know the great Ayatollah Khomeini predicted the downfall of the two Great Satans. One gone, one still to go.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 9:41 # -
delusions are comforting when it is hard to face reality.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 10:21 # -
rashidsaleem
MemberViolence has no boundaries and this was indeed a sad incident. I strongly believe that the efforts for tolerance and mutual understanding should be carried out on global level.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 10:58 # -
amnazaman
MemberExtremism in all parts of the world should be condemned and the people in Pakistan feel sorry for this incident. We must promote a tolerant society around us as the situation in our country is also worsening day by day where the patience of a common man is being tested.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 11:24 # -
LalBichoo
BlockedRussia wins, US loses in Kyrgyzstan uprising: experts
BISHKEK: The fall of Kyrgyzstan's government this week contains glints of a latent Cold War rivalry between Moscow and Washington and the Kremlin has won the latest big-power tussle, experts said Thursday.
Moscow has emerged from the riots which ousted President Kurmanbek Bakiyev with a strong partner in interim Kyrgyz leader Roza Otunbayeva, with whom Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin spoke by telephone on Thursday.
The United States and EU on the other hand, eager for access to a US airbase near Bishkek, hurt their standing by keeping silent over Bakiyev's increasingly harsh rule, said Alexander Cooley, a professor at Columbia University in New York.
“The US and EU are big losers today. Both have dampened their criticism of Bakiyev's political and corrupt governance practices in the name of preserving stability in the country,” he said........
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/04-kyrgyz-analysis-qs-13
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 13:55 # -
Migel9
MemberI hope the young Pakistanis can learn from this brave act of a desperate people.Revalution in every muslim country, is a MUST.
With out blood no purification of NAPAK ZARDARI,NAWAZ,ALTAF,FAZLU,ANP,PPPP,MQM,CRIMINALS.
Otherwise we have dallals like HOSNI,ABDULLAH,ZAID,ZARDARI,
QADDAFI,HASSAN,ALL ABU JAHILLS COWARD PIMP AGENT RULERS.Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 14:59 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@lota6177: Wrong. We are not cleaning up anything from 1980s.
What we'r cleaning up is the result of infinite levels of internal injustice done with people of Pakistan, since this country was created.
In-fact this injustice is STILL! continuing endlessly.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 15:31 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@lota6177: (1) Pakistan is NOT! a 'satellite' state of USA.
(a) The remnants British left in Pakistan after the end of their colonial era are the ones who are forcefully! trying to convert Pakistan into a 'satellite' state of USA
(b) They need someone to pay for their luxurious life. The west pays for their luxurious life, in shape of debt
(c) People of Pakistan payback this debt money to at least 150% each time, these feudals take money from USA
(d) Which means, Pakistani people are subsidizing the west with their hard earned money
(e) These remnants that the British left within our country have a level of control over our people, because they were 'gifted' a large chunk of land
(f) They remain in power through subjugation of our people. They embezzle money, land from Pakistan in the duration of their stay in power
(g) We have to get rid! of these remnants of British colonial era
For example, Pakistan didn't need the money given to Pakistan through Kerry Lugar Aid Act. Pakistan didn't need money from IMF. What Pakistan needed was to reduce Govt. expenses by 3% and we would have catered to our fiscal requirements.
ALL of this debt/aid money will NEVER! be spent on people of Pakistan. Yet it will be people of Pakistan who will have to work harder to pay this money back to USA.
That means, loss of money from our pockets, which ends up in USA or its people's pocket.
(i) Pakistan was to be given $1.5 billion debt/aid money by USA under Kerry Lugar Aid Act
(ii) 45% ($675 million) of this money will be spent on auditors that will come from USA to check up on how USA's money is being spent in Pakistan
(iii) So, Pakistan will actually be given $825 million
(iv) Yet, people of Pakistan will pay back the entire $1.5 billion (that is 145% payback)
(v) Pakistani Govt. or Pakistan's people will have no control on how or where that money is spent
(vi) USA will spend this aid/debt money in Pakistan through private NGOs, as per its own whims(vii) which means;
(a) Pakistani people will get around $825 million
(b) that is actually the British colonial era remnants get $825 million. They live a luxurious life for the next few months. Pakistani people get nothing
(c) Americans get lucrative jobs in Pakistan with the rest of the $675 million debt/aid money that Pakistani people will have to work harder to pay back
(d) Pakistani people have to give up $675 million of their hard earned money to USA to re-pay the $1.5 billion debt/aid money for no credible reason
(e) USA's people get chances to flog Pakistani people during their audits, as a bonus for their ego satisfaction
So, I repeat: Muslims worldwide are subsidizing the luxurious life of people of the west, Pakistan included.
(2) Pakistan certainly didn't intend to help USA achieve its goals
Pakistan was helping Afghanis' in their struggle against a foreign oppressor.
Muslims of south USSR, saw a chance for getting FREEDOM from USSR/Russia at the end of the war time, because USSR/Russia had been weakened.
That doesn't mean we helped USA. Pakistan helped Muslims gain freedom.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 15:33 # -
After discussion so far I dont think that many people posting here even know much about this country except its geographic location....People here discussing in this thread are just concern on US vs Russia rivalry and nothing else...Can anyone post something related to this country so that situation could be more clear...
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 17:01 # -
Good piece, HK. And Migel, you seem to have given up on the soft revolution version in Pakistan and are calling out for us to take to the streets. It's the Kyrgyz-Thai effect maybe. Let's give ourselves a bit more time. What do you say?
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 17:01 # -
tamaazkhan
MemberWhere are you getting your figures from?
What is the source?Posted 2 years ago on 08 Apr 2010 20:41 # -
Qasim ali
MemberTsunami of Kyrgystan may touch the shore of pakistan if peope dont see any thing better in their life.-
Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 8:01 # -
amnazaman
Member@migel. Good one. I would agree with you on here. Without blood no country has ever gotten clean of corruption. Pakistan just faces 2 major problems which branch out others. That is terrorism and corruption.
Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 8:59 # -
hiramir34
Member@mirza ghalib. So sir how much more time do you really want. Another 50 years so that the terrorists can kill thousands of more people and the masses can just sit and watch till we ourselves are a victim???
Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 9:01 # -
hiramir34, No, not another fifty years. We'd all be dead by then and so it would be up to our children and grandchildren to clean up the mess we, the adults of today, have brought about through our own negligence and lack of courage. A most unfair legacy for any coming generation.
What I meant was: let's not rush onto the streets and get more people killed than are being killed already before having given the "soft revolution" (started last year at about this time with the march on Islamabad) a fair chance.
If that popular effort turns out to be a failure, then by all means let us all go out like one man (woman) and confront our tormentors face to face.Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 9:52 # -
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Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 13:36 # -
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Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 14:45 # -
gv
Member@mg
"let's not rush onto the streets and get more people killed than are being killed already before having given the "soft revolution" a fair chance."
my sentiments exactly - its easy for all of us to scream for bloody revolution from our laptops while all the 'collateral damage' is experienced by the masses
Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 16:33 # -
Thanks, gv. Your support here means a lot to me. Hotheadedness kept in check. Cooler heads allowed to prevail. And may the masses gain finally.
Posted 2 years ago on 09 Apr 2010 16:41 # -
hiramir34
Member@mirzaghalib. Sir are you serious? What soft revolution are you talking about? You really think there can be some sort of soft revolution atleast for this country. NO!! I don’t think so. In a land where the Taliban so around throwing grenades we would have to talk with intensity. Some issues are just settled with the nation on the streets showing their united frustration and voice I guess.
Posted 2 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 7:18 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Nobody's wants a bloody revolution. JI is not calling for a bloody revolution. However, I will admit, the chances of a bloody revolution are well around 80% even today.
JI didn't struggle, conduct protests for restoration of judiciary, so they'd be forced to call people on the streets all over again.
They struggled for restoration of judiciary, so people could get justice from the court of law.
The idea is, if people have a civilized way of settling their disputes, that they won't need to settle them in brutal conflicts outside the court of law.
Pakistan faces internal injustice. Injustice is the root cause of terrorism, of corruption.
So, it is injustice that people of Pakistan need to struggle to end! from within their ranks.
Posted 2 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 7:35 # -
hiramir34, by soft revolution, one means just that. A change in hearts and minds and institutions, without blood necessarily flowing in the streets. The blood of the poor and the disenfranchised who have already had a tough deal since the time of their birth. Are you and I and all the others here, we pseudo-intellectuals, going to fight the battle on their behalf? If so, then agreed. Let's go out and occupy the streets straightaway. Otherwise, let's exercise patience.
The Court has been freed only very recently. Let's give this independent judiciary notion a chance. Alternatively, of course, if our patience is really running out, let's go for another round of open slavery. Let's invite the USans to come in and govern us in their own inimitable manner. They're just round the corner. They'd be delighted to do so. Just let's not use our devoted masses as cannon fodder.
Posted 2 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 8:04 # -
Hussain Farooqui
MemberWhen a society reaches the last limits of disorders and corruptio, then it gets either destroyed or gets changed by a revolution. Let us look forward to a revolution and pray to Allah that it be not a very bloody one.
Posted 2 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 11:30 # -
HF - You may be right. If a Rev does come, I join in your prayers: Not too bloody, please Allah. On the other hand, my question remains: Will you yourself be taking physically part in that frightening event? If not, then let's cool our frustrations and give it some more time.
Posted 2 years ago on 12 Apr 2010 11:53 #
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