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Lashkar-e-Jhangvi terrorists blow themselves up in Karachi

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  1. Wahid Doyum
    Member

    Good riddance. Inshallah all taliban allied terrorists will blow themselves up without harming innocent people.

    Six terrorists killed in Karachi blast

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=26567

    KARACHI: Six terrorists were killed in a huge explosion here on Friday in a two-storeyed house in Baldia Town. Several neighbours were also injured in the blast. Police said the terrorists present in the house had planned to kidnap Federal Interior Minister Rehman Malik but luckily the minister remained safe. Other officers claimed that the terrorists had a plan to attack the Police Training Centre at Saeedebad and make the recruits and the staff hostage.

    The massive blast, which shook the huge area, occurred around at 8 am in Sector-8B, Saeedabad, Baldia Town. A police mobile van and senior officers immediately reached the spot and found that the house (No-805) had completely collapsed.

    Soon after, Rangers, fire brigade, rescuers from Edhi and Cheepa started the rescue work. In the meantime, the LEA personnel caught six suspects, including two women, from the spot and shifted them to an undisclosed location.

    The police recovered six bodies of men and the torso of a man. They later found his legs and hands from other places, which indicated that the torso belonged to a bomber. The police recovered 22 hand grenades, seven Kalashnikovs, two complete suicide jackets and explosive material besides 5,000 bullets.

    Capital City Police Officer Karachi Waseem Ahmed told media persons that during the initial investigation, they had found some clues that the dead terrorists had plans to kidnap Interior Minister Rehman Malik from the Sindh High Court premises. Malik was in the town for hearing of his case in the SHC. He added that the police had found some arms and tin food from the rubble of the house.

    The six suspects arrested from the spot were identified as Atif, Asif, Aqib, Kashif, Yousuf and Abdullah. One of them is the head of the group. The suspects belong to Swat and had links with banned outfit Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.

    An investigator said on condition of anonymity that the torso found from the collapsed building could be of a bomber, who was killed when the jacket he was wearing exploded prematurely. The house belonged to Nawab, a resident of Swat, who had rented it to Riaz. Nawabís wife Nasreen was also injured in the blast. The investigator added that the police had arrested Riaz, Nawab and his wife.

    He added that the double-storeyed building was constructed over 80 yards plot, and preliminary investigation showed the dead terrorists came a few days ago to the house of Riaz and were residing there. Riaz told the investigators that some more suspects had visited the house Early Friday morning at around 3 am.

    An officer said on condition of anonymity that during the search of the rubble, the police had recovered Islamic literature, luggage of the suspects and some other items, including a computer.

    Three of the dead were identified as Riaz, son of Nawab, Mohammad Hussain and Ayaz Khan. He said they were suicide bombers. He added that investigations revealed that the militants killed in the blast belonged to Qari Hafiz Mehmood group of the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. Further probe is underway.

    Javed Ahmed, a resident of the area, said he was sitting in his house when a huge explosion occurred and his house was badly jolted. He and his family members rushed out and found that the two-storeyed building had collapsed and smoke was billowing out of it.

    Injured Imran said he was passing from the house, situated near his house, when the blast occurred and something hit his head and he fell down. Imran is a motor mechanic and had gone to buy breakfast for his family.

    An officer said on condition of anonymity that when they searched the restrooms of the Babri Masjid situated in the area, they found two dresses having bloodstains which they took into their custody. A cell phone was also found from the blast scene which was powered off.

    The officer said during investigation it was found that Maulana Saeed, the prayer leader of the Babri Masjid, was a guarantor of suspect Riaz. Maulana Saeed has been detained for questioning.

    A year ago, an encounter was reported from Saeedabad when teams of CID and Karachi Police were tipped of about the terroristsí presence inside a house. A raid was carried out in which the terrorists had blown up themselves, killing one abducted transporter as well. In this operation, the police had recovered a huge cache of arms, explosives and suicide jackets.

    On September 5, 2009, terrorists belonging to the TTP made plans to blow up the Karachi Oil Terminal but fled after their unsuccessful attempt, throwing their arms and explosives in Saeedabad area. Sources said reviewing these incidents, it seems militants might be present in Baldia Town area, including Saeedabad.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 3:25 #
  2. Wahid Doyum
    Member

    Baldia town and saeedabad should be watched closely.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 3:27 #
  3. riazhussainshah
    Member

    I think that Gov should ban all Mudrssa of Dvebandi becuse thay all are terrorest

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 5:00 #
  4. BaliMA
    Member

    BANDER KAIE HAT MAIE MACHIS AIE AUR US NAIE SARAY JUNGLE/SHER KO AAG LAGA DIEE.
    Blast flattens ‘safe house’ of militants in Karachi
    We heard a loud bang at about 7:45am and saw two bodies lying in the debris. A Kalashnikov rifle was beside the bodies,” a witness told Dawn.
    Police found a cache of arms and ammunition and suicide vests strapped to the two bodies in the house in Baldia Town. The suicide vests were fitted with grenades, they added.
    Apparently the suicide vest of the third militant accidentally triggered the explosion, causing a grenade to explode, investigators said, adding that the blast also caused a small crater.
    “The vests were not meant for causing maximum damage because these didn’t have high degree of explosives. The vests were supposed to be used as a last resort in case they were apprehended,” an investigator said.
    The Saeedabad Police Training College is located at a walking distance from the scene of the blast.
    Although police claimed that Interior Minister Rehman Malik was their target, some investigators believed that the militants were planning an attack similar to the one on Manawa police training school, in Lahore, on March 30 last year.
    The nature of weapons found in the house showed that the terrorists had prepared themselves for a long haul, the investigators added.
    Police found in the house several cartons of tinned food, jihadi literature, books and CDs, stickers of Lashkar-i-Jhangvi and Sipah-i-Sahaba pasted inside a trunk containing certifications of graduation from a seminary, cell phones and several SIMs.
    Three AK-47 rifles with several dozen rounds, over 25 hand grenades, anti-personnel mines and a pistol were seized, Baldia town SP Zahid Husain said.
    According to an initial investigation, the six militants had come to the house at about 3am on three motorcycles. They were guests of Ayaz, younger brother of Riaz who was living in the house with his mother, wife and three children.
    All the militants were in their late teens or early twenties.
    Interior Minister Rehman Malik told journalists that the militants were from Swat.
    Five of the dead militants were identified as Riazul Hasan, Mohammad Husain, Shahbaz Lahori, Asif and Zahid. Ayaz was also killed in the blast, while his brother Ibrar was injured.
    Riaz’s mother, wife and two children were in another room at the time of the blast.
    The investigators said Khalid, the sixth guest, had walked away from the scene with shrapnel injuries in his legs.
    He went to his house, changed and then went to the Civil Hospital. The nature of his injuries prompted doctors to inform police, who arrested him.
    The three-room house, located in Sector 8-B, was rented by Riaz two years ago. Maulana Saeed, a peshimam of a nearby mosque, had brokered the deal with the owner of the house, Abdul Rehman, a police officer said.
    Riaz, who supplies garments to the Zainab Market, told police that he had gone to a nearby shop, along with his daughter, to buy biscuits. He said he rushed to the house after hearing the blast.
    Riaz and members of his family were detained by police for questioning.
    Police said that two women who had taken refuge in the nearby Babari Masjid-o-Madressah soon after the blast were also detained.
    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/12-manawanlike-attack-was-in-the-making-police-blast-flattens-safe-house-of-militants--bi-14
    EATING BISCUITS CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 5:23 #
  5. netengr
    blocked

    This incident happened and seven people killed ,All talibani supporters are silent because they know that they cannot defend this as soon as they got some clue that they can blame other then they would come in the ground to fight and defend them .

    How they were killed
    By drone or by MQM ?

    That was "Azzab-e-Ilahi " ,Seven people killed by their own bomb .
    ---
    @Wahid Doyum
    Terrorist supporters approach are different in Karachi ,They try their best to make the issue as ethnic clash ,that is why Karachi is become safe of these terrorists .

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 5:26 #
  6. toamin
    member

    Typical rehman malik strategy, solve and close the case within few hours of the incident, use already established rhetorics like taliban or jhangvi etc.

    Look at how fast they close the case, why don't they investigate and get the whole network?

    One thing consistently seen is that everything is linked with US war in the region, now they will use this incident to launch military operation in Punjab.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 5:42 #
  7. BaliMA
    Member

    Operation should be launched "everywhere" terrorist and there support network exist. That would surely save innocent lives.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 5:49 #
  8. Where ever there is America involved there would be problems and chaos. Life was better before USSR intervention into Afghanistan. Since than our army is being used not for defense of Pakistan but as a tool by others like America. Now these lashkars are playing into the hands of the enemy. Power of dollars can buy anyone overcoming all morals values.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 5:50 #
  9. BaliMA
    Member

    Power of dollars financed the afghan jihad.
    Meeta meeta yum yum.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 5:51 #
  10. netengr
    blocked

    "Now these lashkars are playing into the hands of the enemy."

    This is another tactic to save them ,this means these groups are innocent but just because of the foreign elements they are involve in terrorism ,this is another way to protect them .

    If they are working for Zionist,RAW,US or planet X why our religious political leaders are supporting them ? why they are agianst the operations ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 5:54 #
  11. BaliMA
    Member

    How does an innocent person learn to build a suicide belt and an explosive charge? Can you learn this in school?
    Madrassa do not provide quality education as demonstrated by this explosion.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 5:55 #
  12. netengr
    blocked

    @BaliMA

    LOL ,

    I think Madaris should start special diploma or certificate courses like

    CSBE =Certified Suicide bomber Expert

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 6:03 #
  13. BaliMA
    Member

    Announcement Sorry students this semester has been cancelled because your teacher qari khalu blew up his whole house last night while getting material's ready for first day of school. Substitute teacher razi mamu was also blown up in a separate blast in Peshawar. This class has been changed to bus conductor 101.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 6:11 #
  14. @netengr
    All religious leaders moulanas and muftis expressed solidarity by condemning terrorism and suicide attacks as one voice. This was after an attack on shia jaloos in Karachi.
    Either you live abroad or you dont have any idea the types of explosive material or arms that are being recovered from these people.
    I have seen bara market. I have also seen some types of materials that were recovered from them. They are not local made and sold on black market but smuggled in from Afghanistan. This includes some from Chinese, Indian, and American weapons.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 6:15 #
  15. BaliMA
    Member

    Officials said the terrorists could be associated with the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LJ) and Harkatul Mujahideen (HM), and they might also have had links with the Taliban.

    Saeedabad Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP) Ghulam Hussain Korai said the explosion took place at around 7:20am.

    Baldia Town SP Zahid Hussain said police had found three suicide jackets – including pieces of the one believed to have been worn by one of the men – three AK-47 assault rifles with 29 magazines, 26 Russian-made hand grenades, a pistol, three motorcycles, a computer and stored food.

    Korai said police had found six bodies, and “we have also found various religious books and other literature from the debris … some letterheads found from the destroyed house read: ‘Haq Nawaz Jhangvi [LJ founder], we will remember your mission forever, and continue it until judgement day’”.
    harkat ul mujahidin = jimat e islamie
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201019\story_9-1-2010_pg1_5
    I wonder if these home grown terrorist were going to wear the suicide belts on themselves or put them on a kangroo imported from Australia through the bara market for this purpose? Any news on that shaheen?

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 6:21 #
  16. netengr
    blocked

    @shaeen-e-Iqbal

    Most of the deoband Ulema performing excellent role of hypocrisy .

    They support Talban but they do now own them
    When they were asked for Fatwa they say we should look for "asabab" of terrorism
    They say this is the reaction
    They supported Sawat Terrorists .
    The are still reluctant to condemn openly and give fatwa .
    they say that " Jb tak US aur operation hota rahay ga yeh hota rahay ga " this means taliban will continue killing people

    I do not care either they work for foreign ,local or Planet X . They are Janwer and using the religion and I am Against them

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 6:24 #
  17. BaliMA
    Member

    who are these animals killing people?
    MINGORA: The security forces produced before the media on Friday six boys who had fled the Taliban captivity in Gat Peochar area in Swat district.
    The boys, all of them from Matta tehsil, a former militants’ stronghold, were identified as Amanullah, Shah Hussain, Zakirullah, Hazrat Bilal, Ziaur Rahman and Rahmatullah. They were aged from 12 to 16 years.
    Talking to reporters, the boys said they were kidnapped by Taliban from their schools and homes.They said the militants were telling them that the security forces were not good people and jehad against them was a must.
    The boys added that when they got a chance they ran away from militants’ hideout in the area and contacted the security forces.Meanwhile, one Ismail, the eight-year-old son of militants’ commander Nisar alias Ghazi Lala, told reporters that his father was killed in an encounter with the security forces.
    He added that members of his family that including his mother and uncles time and again asked his father to renounce militancy. However, he added, his father didn’t listen to them.The security forces also produced the fathers of two dreaded militants’ commanders before the media.
    One was Abdur Rahim, father of Omar Rahman alias Fateh and the other was identified as Mian Said Wahid, father of Sultan Hussain alias Shah Sahib.While disowning their sons, the two men said they tried their best to stop them from fighting against the country and the people of the area but to no avail.
    They added that the enemies of the state were their enemies and they had no contacts or relation with their sons.Sources said these two militant commanders were carrying a head-money of Rs10 million each
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=217650
    Insan bunjao before it is 2 late. I like the name Shah Sahib.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 6:29 #
  18. You may call them janwer. I have a different view of all this. My point here is that materials required for terrorism like explosives and arms are easily available due to the Afghan war. There have been reports that huge amounts of such materials are being smuggled into Pakistan from Afghanistan purchased through the black market.

    Now the question is what are those involved?

    We have seen only police and army centres, hotels that they suspected are used by the blackwater personal being targeted by some.

    Others have been blowing themselves up or planting timed bombs in busy public areas such as markets. The most recent one was when a shia jaloos was targeted.

    I see a difference here as two different factions of these terrorists active for targets that are not connected. One faction targets only those places that are owned by government personal or Americans (a hotel in Peshawar)

    Others have no regard for human lives at all and that is why they select targets where maximum possible human loss will be the result.

    I am totally against ullemas inciting sectarian hate. They should be identified and brought to justice through proper channels that is arrest and trial.

    I also recommend governmental influence regarding the madrassas that should be scruitinized. Kept under constant observation specially the teachers and students. All foreign students should not be allowed or if allowed be thoroughly vetted.

    A certain responsibility lies with the public. To keep watch and stay on guard who lives in the community and report in case they suspect anything abnormal like unusual behaviour by those who are new to a community. After all these terrorists are not wearing a 'Sulaimani Topi' that they are invisible.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 6:46 #
  19. netengr
    blocked

    Madaris kay baher " Shahadat Conference " kay posters lagay gotay hain jin per "HaQ nawaz jhangwi" aur Azaam Tariq " ki bari bari Pictures hoti hain ..Madersay ka Talib sochta hay kay woh bhi Bara hoker aisa hi banay ga .

    If some one like to know the ideology of Madersa they should visit their toilets ,Where Talib writes his "blogs " you will know what they think about Shia ,Brelvi ,US, PPP ,MQM etc :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 6:48 #
  20. Madaris are going to be part of our communities as a reality as long as there are:

    1.Poor class that is unable to afford conventional education.
    2.Religious class that prefers religious education in comparison to cenventional education.
    3.A section of our society is not happy with government schools and prefers a madrisa as a source of education.

    A point to note is that number of madaris runs into hundereds of thousands all over Pakistan.

    This sheer number and a fact that they are still in operation is confirmation to what is the actual trend of a very large section from our public.

    We should embrace realities over speculations thus avoiding generalization of an issue.
    Instead we should try for conclusions and solutions.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 7:05 #
  21. netengr
    blocked

    Madaris are not established to give basic education for kids ,They offer specialized education which is called "dars-e-Nizami " and this is complete 9 year course after that a graduate is called "aaalim " after Aalim course there is 3 year mufti course
    There is no primary or secondary level in madersa ,and people confuse with the name of madersa and consider as just an elementary level school .

    This is why there should only one or two madersa in every city the rest szhould be closed or stick only on Basic Quran learning and Hifz .

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 10:28 #
  22. toamin
    member

    Before you close these NGOs that provide education and accommodation free of charge, why not ask the secular lords who are at the steering wheel to open alternative such institutes?

    Give them choice and let the poor people decide? But of course when one is driven by the blind hatred he just wants to crush everything by drawing various lines and incite hatred among various pillars of society.

    There is no confusion, there is only frustration in the circles of seculars who have to live like hypocrite in a conservative society.

    Go ahead do something for the people, they will give you positive response or else shut up and let others do the positive contribution in the society.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 11:09 #
  23. @ Salam,
    One should be careful on making a statement what could not be qualified.
    Such as:
    "there is only frustration in the circles of seculars who have to live like hypocrite in a conservative society."

    I feel lovers and supporters of theocracy are living a Hippocratic life.
    They use most of those facilities of life what they 'declare' to be 'Haram'.

    Please pick up a few seculars and theocratics, in your neighborhood to prepare a test case.

    Secularists are the most contended and truthful people living without any guilt.
    They perform what they believe.
    Where the theocratics perform and conceal what they don't believe.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 11:35 #
  24. toamin
    member

    @Sheikh,

    First of all I like to know the facilities you mentioned that they 'declare' to be 'haram', just 2-3 names would be sufficient to understand your perspective.

    Secondly, I don't think secularists are the most contended and truthful people living without any guilt. Study the politicians in current/previous setup and see for yourself.

    So let us see what you have to support your position.

    Thx

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 11:45 #
  25. netengr
    blocked

    مرکزی شہر سے دور بلدیہ ٹاؤن کے سیکٹر آٹھ کی نئی آبادی والے علاقے میں یہ گھر واقع ہے، جس کے برابر میں جامع مسجد بابری اور ایک مدرسہ بھی موجود ہے، جو جامعہ بنوریہ کے مہتم مولانا یوسف لدہیانوی کی یاد میں بنایا گیا ہے۔

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2010/01/100108_terrorist_target.shtml

    پولیس نے ملبے سے چھ لاشوں سمیت دو خودکش جیکٹیں، چھبیس سے زائد دستی بم، تین کلاشنکوف، اٹھائیس میگزین اور تیرہ کارٹن برآمد کیے ہیں، ان کارٹن میں گوشت کا تیار سالن ڈبوں میں موجود ہے۔

    ہلاک ہونے والے تمام افراد نے جاگرز پہن رکھے تھے جب کہ ایک ملزم کے ہاتھوں پر کالے رنگ کے دستانے موجود تھے جبکہ ملبے سے ایک برقعہ بھی ملا ہے۔

    کراچی پولیس کے سربراہ وسیم احمد کا خیال ہے کہ ملزمان کوئی بڑی کارروائی کرنا چاہتے تھے ان کا کہنا ہے کہ جس طرح ٹن فوڈ ملا ہے اس سے تو یہ اندازہ ہوتا ہے کہ ہدف پر جانے کے بعد ان کا وہاں کافی دیر رہنے کا ارادہ تھا۔ ماضی میں راولپنڈی میں بھی ایک ایسی نوعیت کی واردات ہوئی جس میں تخریب کار دو روز وہاں موجود رہے۔

    بم ڈسپوزل سکواڈ اور دیگر تفتیشی اداروں کا کہنا ہے کہ دھماکہ خودکش جیکٹ پھٹنے کی وجہ سے پیش آیا ہے، کیونکہ دیواروں پر بال بیئرنگ کے نشانات موجود ہیں اور دو ملزمان کے جسم دو حصوں میں بٹ گئے۔

    پولیس نے ملبے سے مذہبی کتابیں، سی ڈیز اور کچھ بیگز بھی برآمد کیے ہیں جبکہ کالعدم لشکر جھنگوی کے کچھ سٹیکر اور جہادی مواد بھی ملا ہے۔

    جائے وقوع سے دس منٹ کے پیدل فاصلے پر پولیس ٹریننگ سینٹر سعید آباد واقع ہے۔

    پولیس نے دھماکے میں ہلاک ہونے والے ایاز کے بڑے بھائی ریاض، بہن، بھابی اور دیگر کچھ عزیزوں کو حراست میں لیا ہے، جن کا تعلق سوات سے بتایا گیا ہے۔

    زیر حراست افراد نے پولیس کو بتایا ہے کہ ایاز کے پاس رات کو دوست آئے تھے، صبح کو دھماکہ ہواہے وہ رات کو وہ تلاوت کرتے رہے، پولیس نے ان تین موٹر سائیکلوں کو بھی قبضے میں لیا ہے جن پر سوار ہو کر وہ آئے تھے۔

    ہلاک ہونے والے پانچ شدت پسندوں کی نہ تو پولیس نے اور نہ ہی ایاز کے رشتے داروں نے شناخت کی ہے، ایاز کے بارے میں پولیس کا کہنا ہے کہ وہ آٹھویں جماعت پاس تھا اور گارمنٹس کا کام کیا کرتا تھا۔

    ایاز نےمقامی مسجد کے پیش امام کی مدد سے تین ماہ قبل دو کمروں کا یہ مکان تین ہزار روپے ماہانہ کرائے پر لیا تھا۔ اس گھر کے برابر میں ایک پولیس اہلکار کا گھر بھی واقع ہے۔

    جائے وقوع سے کچھ فاصلے پر واقع کالونی میں ستمبر دو ہزار آٹھ میں بھی ایک گھر اس وقت دھماکے سے منہدم ہوگیا تھا جب پولیس نے اس کا محاصرہ کیا تھا۔ اس دھماکہ میں تین مبینہ شدت پسند اور ایک مغوی شوکت آفریدی ہلاک ہوگئے تھے۔

    تجزیہ نگاروں کا کہنا ہے کہ پولیس اور دیگر اداروں کی توجہ کا مرکز شہر کا وسطی علاقہ ہے جبکہ نئی آبادیوں میں غیر مقامی لوگ آسانی سے شامل ہوجاتے ہیں اور کوئی ان کی سرگرمیوں کا نوٹس بھی نہیں لیتا۔

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 11:49 #
  26. toamin
    member

    puri BBC report chapna zarori thee? your opinion with link is enough, no need to waste space here.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 11:57 #
  27. netengr
    blocked

    100s of post on every topic by a member is actually called flooding in the forum

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 12:00 #
  28. @ Salam
    Just for your perusal:
    Art, Culture, Painting, Photography, Camera, Loud speaker, Music, Alcohol, Democracy, Interest Banking, Poetry, Sports, Statues, are few of the items which have been declared as Haram by Theocratics but widely used by them.

    (Ref: Fatwa Edition of Weekly Lail-o-Nihar, April 19, 1970)

    What about thousands of Muslim celebrities who contributed a lot for Humanity, living a secular way?

    (This topic has already been discussed so many times at the Forum and should be at the Faith and Religion Section. You initiated at the Current Affair Section.)

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 12:01 #
  29. toamin
    member

    @Sheikh
    Just to respond to your post above:

    Alcohol, Interest, Idols are haram, but as far as other things are concerned such as art, culture, painting, technology, tools are not haram.

    There is no hypocracy in theocracy, they believe that alcohol is haram, riba is haram and idol worshiping is haram.

    It is the hypocracy of the seculars who believe that these are good but have to pretend and portray as these are evil in a conservative society of Pakistan.

    Now we can discuss what is Muslim history in culture or art or philosophies or humanity or etc etc these are each of different topics with each civilization having their contribution.

    So where is the hypocrisy of Muslims who believe in application of Islam?

    As per thread history it was you who started this discussion, I don't mind if you like to discontinue. I enjoy these debates and if you like you can take a secular's position if think that is good way of life then own it and let us debate as secularist vs islamist.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 12:07 #
  30. Is the application of Islam through Un-Islamic methods not Hypocrisy?

    Was opposing the Qauid-i-Azam and declaring Allam Iqbal as Kafir not a hypocrisy?

    Bottom line:
    Theocratics are living a duel life.
    There is 180 Degree tilt at what they preach and what they perform.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 12:17 #
  31. toamin
    member

    I am not sure what you are referring to by application of islam through un-islamic methods, it is vague and generalized statement with no evidence, care to explain?

    Regarding opposing Quaid-e-Azam and Allam Iqbal, are you referring to the political personalities of that time who disagreed with their call, who? Or you want to generalize an opinion of a politician as call of islam?

    Bottom line: Secularists are living a duel life because they are not willing to own what they believe but have to portray and pretend as mo'min.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 12:21 #
  32. What a madness?

    http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jan2010-daily/09-01-2010/u17118.htm

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 12:43 #
  33. toamin
    member

    Not madness, this is a positive outcome.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 12:53 #
  34. @ Salam,
    Would you support a Long March for Legalizing the Suicide Bombing as a 'Positive Outcome'?

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 13:14 #
  35. toamin
    member

    @Sheikh,

    It is not madness to give up suicide attack on fellow Muslims, giving up such evil act is positive outcome.

    I wonder if you read the news link properly?

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 13:19 #
  36. netengr
    blocked

    Pujnabi Taliban Song ....

    some one is singing this in Madersa with Narae Jhangwi and Serbuland deoband and shia kafir naray

    this song is representing sipah sahaba .lashker jhangwi ,Taliban Alqaida and Madaris connections

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 15:22 #
  37. zingaro
    Member

    None of the famous Deobandi Ulema has ever favored Suicide bombers, hence, it is quite unfair to blame Deobandi school of thought for these terrorist activities. Because in the history the first ever suicide attacks (In Muslims History) were started by the followers of Hasan bin Sabah who was a Shia. But no body will blame Shia school of thought for the acts of Hssan bin Sabah. Same is the case here. We hate terrorists killing innocent public and attacking on army but we should refrain from putting labels of terrorism on a particular school of thought of Deoband.

    PS: I am not a Deobandi but gave my fair opinion.I have also observed that those who are always eager to mention Deobandis as terrorists, are under sectarian prejudice.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 15:42 #
  38. netengr
    blocked

    Who is famous or non famous deobandi ? why good deobandi do not condemn bad deobandi ? .

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 15:51 #
  39. Anonymous

    All these stupid Taliban, blood thirsty beasts, are directly linked to Madrissas. Their supporters are bigger stupid and liars.

    Time has come that Madrissas education should be routed out as these either produce cruel killers or people who are un-necessary load on the economy of Pakistan. They are involved in the entire suicide/remote control bombing. They know nothing but to kill.

    It is better that children do not get any education rather than the education of Madrissas.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 15:53 #
  40. Migel9
    Member

    LMAO..Tow Black crows discussing subjects with zero value.

    Hindustani terrorist

    American terrorist

    9-0 terrorist

    Zionist terrorist will be leaving Pakistan shortly.

    Pakistan zinndabad.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 15:57 #
  41. zingaro
    Member

    netengr .. if you can't read news papers ..then i can't help you dude.... check the news records and you will find collective orders of good deobandi people criticizing bad terrorists.... now please don't ask me to search for you ...

    :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 16:01 #
  42. Anonymous

    Zionist terrorist in northern areas of Pakistan are already on the run, on the fastest possible run. They are looking for holes to hide. They are defeated already. Remaining will meet the same fate.

    Mullai Terrorism Murdabad. Pakistan Zindabad.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 16:05 #
  43. @Adnak
    'All these stupid Taliban, blood thirsty beasts, are directly linked to Madrissas. Their supporters are bigger stupid and liars.'

    Well done you have linked Taliban with Madiras. In the way their supporter are not only stupid but liars.

    -Taliban (all) are directly linked with madrissas (all)
    -Taliban supporters are stupid and liars.

    What is the source or sources of information that you claim to know Taliban are linked with Madarrasas? Pls inform

    Who are taliban supporters?

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 17:05 #
  44. Wahid Doyum
    Member

    Madrassah culture plays a crucial role in the current acts of terror and mayhem. The evidence is in front of everyone on a daily basis and has already been well documented. This is not to say all madrassahs are breeding grounds of terrorism, but many are.

    Posted 2 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 23:06 #

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