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Libya, another Muslim country under attack by Zionists!

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Truthlover
Member

Don’t worry, remain slumbering.
So what if one more Muslim country comes under attack by Americans and their Allies!
Just remember that West is helping them to rid from a dictator, exactly as they did in Iraq.
Don’t forget that the same was the case in Afghanistan, where Taliban threatened the stability of the world from their mudded castles.
Be thankful to the west for bringing the undeclared war in to Pakistan and thereby making us forget all worries other than worry of bare survival.
Brothers and sisters, rejoice that your masters are worried for you and that they wish you complete freedom.
This freedom is being enjoyed by Egyptians, Saudis, Jordanians and other friends of the Zion at this very moment.
Enjoy the moment as it approaches you, for your time too is running out and the friends with fetters get closer to give you the gift of freedoms and liberties.
Keep slumbering that’s the best medicine!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12798568

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 15:20 #
aftab arif
Member

The Tyrant only has himself to blame for the attack on his country.

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 15:27 #
Truthlover
Member

Aftab,
Yes, the same was said about Saddam as well, do you remember the WMD?
What about the tyrants in Ryad, shall we expect them to be the next?

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 15:29 #
aftab arif
Member

@ Truthlover

Yes they did but he only has himself to blame when gassing is own people and the same of Gaddafi he killed his own people too, and for what so they could hold on to power a little longer or handover rains to they sons. When you kill innocent people in your country then you give ammunution for outside forces to intervene.

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 16:21 #
Truthlover
Member

@ aftab,

Don't be fooled by the west and their seductive methods. Do you really believe in the humane rights, democracy and freedom of speech and other B.S, advocated by these hypocrites of the western world?
Are you really a simpolton that believes that the west is fighting for the freedoms of Libyans?
It's all about control of the natural resources and enslaving the world, where Muslims pose the biggest threat. Not that they are a threat in a real sense but just a potential threat that needs to be eliminated.
Next in line stands Iran, another Muslim country with huge oil reserves. Does it make any sense?
Now turn the tables and tell why these soldiers of freedoms never attacked Russia when Stalin killed millions of his own or Pol pot killed millions in Kampochia? Why these custodians of conscience don't attack North Korea for the attrocities?
Wake up man before it gets too late and they come even for you!

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 16:34 #
nota
Member

@aftab
Saddam gassed his own people? He might have done many things but that is BVLLSH!T!

And the story gets murkier: immediately after the battle the United States Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report, which it circulated within the intelligence community on a need-to-know basis. That study asserted that it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds, not Iraqi gas.

The agency did find that each side used gas against the other in the battle around Halabja. The condition of the dead Kurds' bodies, however, indicated they had been killed with a blood agent - that is, a cyanide-based gas - which Iran was known to use. The Iraqis, who are thought to have used mustard gas in the battle, are not known to have possessed blood agents at the time.

These facts have long been in the public domain but, extraordinarily, as often as the Halabja affair is cited, they are rarely mentioned.

Care to tell why gaddafi "desrves" it and the b@stards in Egypt, Bahrain, Yemen don't?

@Truthlover
"Don’t worry, remain slumbering"
Maybe it ought to be "Don't worry, keep licking the vomit served"...for their isn't a lie we won't lap up! ;-)

More on the subject here:
http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/the-arab-turmoil/page/17#post-221289
http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/the-arab-turmoil/page/17#post-221291

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 16:37 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@Truthlover: The truth is, Muslims have themselves;

(1) made the decisions
(2) taken the actions

to separate the good among us from the power to make decisions, take actions.

What do you expect to happen, as a result ?

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 17:19 #
aftab arif
Member

Truthlover

Let me first clear that i am in no way an advocate for the West to intervene in Muslim countries under "any" pretext but i would have liked the Muslim countries to intervene and stop Gaddafi from slaughtering his own people and as it is they are mere spectators.

I don't believe in the Western Hypocrisy of Human Rights, Freedom of Speech etc etc and neither do i believe they are their for that reason, as you said the oil is in they sights and unfortunately they will now take the resources and give them peanuts in return.

@ Nota

I will accept your point on the Gassing as i have not done any reading up on this subject and was forming an opinion of what i have seen and heard on TV, which can be dubious at best i guess.

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 17:20 #
normalkhan
Blocked

Jab Gazzafi apnay logo ko Marti thi tou tum log Kahan thi ?
Ager Zionist logon ko bachnay aagi tou kia burai hay ?

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 17:29 #
nota
Member

@aftab
"i have not done any reading up on this subject and was forming an opinion of what i have seen and heard on TV"

So you were condemning hundreds (thousands?) to death on based on biased TV reports. Honestly I expected more from you. Still it does not justify this statement:
"The Tyrant only has himself to blame for the attack on his country"
Here I will again agree with the tyrant (no matter how bad a tyrant he is):

Letter to French President Nicolas Sarkozy, British Prime Minister David Cameron and U.N. Secretary-General Ban ki-Moon:

Libya is not yours. Libya is for the Libyans. The Security Council resolution is invalid because it does not follow the charter regarding the internal affairs of any country. This is terrible oppression, crude aggression.

You never have the right to intervene in our internal affairs. Who gave you this right? You will regret it if you dare to intervene in our country. Our country is not your country.

Tell me who's the bigger tyrant? Obama, Sarkozy, or Qaddafi? Who has fired 110 Toanhawks on Libyans in one day and killed hundreds? Who has 20+ planes reigning death on the Libyans? Qaddafi the tyrant or Obama the savior? Even more interesting is that you say:

I don't believe in the Western Hypocrisy of Human Rights, Freedom of Speech etc etc and neither do i believe they are their for that reason, as you said the oil is in they sights and unfortunately they will now take the resources and give them peanuts in return.

And yet you support that very thing just because "Qaddafi is a tyrant". That really is amazing and pretty convoluted, won't you say?

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 18:02 #
nota
Member

A TYRANT prosecutes himself:

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." -- Sen. Barack Obama, 12/20/2007.

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 18:13 #
scandinavian
Member

I am not in favor of the clown Qadhafi, but to support or endorse Western aggression is out of question. They have a history of intervening in other countries with ONLY their own interests. If not, then why they waited to intervene for several years in the Balkan?

Never trust the West!

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 18:19 #
nota
Member

@aftab
And tell me why these Mubarak was not a tyrant. Why UN is not coming to the help of these people in Yemen and Bahrain?
(In fact they are supporting them)

Yemen man shot dead by government filming videos for YouTube:

Bahraini medics recount hospital horror:

Moment Yemen snipers started killing innocent protesters on the ground:

40 killed in Yemen violence, hundreds injured - RT

Yemen video where a shot protester is carried along the street every 10 seconds:

Related:
Libya: Another War, Another Pack of Lies

Why is US backing force in Libya but not Bahrain, Yemen?

"Nobody in Libya wants foreign military intervention":

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 18:25 #
aftab arif
Member

@ Nota

No question the West with the millions they have killed are more Evil then Gaddafi but he is no saint. Had he walked away after ruling for more then 4 decades then we would not be seeing the West attacking Libya at this juncture.

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 18:28 #
gujjartalwar
Member

@Nota

I share your concern about Libyan blood and treasure but, trust me, I have seen some of Qaddafi's atrocities first hand when I worked there.

Qaddafi has had forty two long years of unquestioned rule. He has tons of wealth that could last a few generations. He should not have been looking to spill more blood.

He should have seen the writing on the wall when this unrest began. Even the Saudi Kings are trying to appease their people but Qaddafi still wants to tame his masses by gun. He failed to find a way out. This was bound to happen.

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 18:30 #
aftab arif
Member

@ Nota

I don't think there is any diagreements on my Part of Mobarak being more of a Tyrant then Gaddafi and again i am fully aware that the UN are full of double standards and kowtowing to the interests of the Yanks is more important to them then defending the lives of human beings.

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 18:33 #
nota
Member

@aftab
Hey, Zardari is no saint. So is it OK if NATO (leaving drones aside) can attack us in Lahore, Karachi, Multan, Pindi (but not the Presidency). I say pretty silly logic.

P.S. And what if Qaddafi did step down and another puppet was put in place who -- just like Qaddafi (though will probably be worst) is a tyrant who lets them have free reign to "the oil [that] is in they sights and unfortunately they ... take the resources and give them peanuts in return." You think then the people will be "free" and no deaths will occur due to increased poverty?

It is amazing to hear talk like this when Iraq's example and the West getting rid of the "tyrant" is right infront of us. Oh, and btw: This attack happened on the 8th nniversary of the one on Iraq. Just see how well it turned out ;-)
The 8th Anniversary of a Genocide (a rant)

20th March 2003, under the guise of the 'War Against Terror' and democracy; the decimation of the cradle of civilisation, Iraq/ Mesopotamia began. It is more than the over 1 million dead or the over 2 million displaced. This was and still is, a deliberate destruction of a nation. It is after all STILL occupied. And what has happened in those 8 years?

Women in Fallujah are advised by doctors "not to conceive" because of the Depleted Uranium (that is used in weaponary and tanks) is in the atmosphere, in its sinister particle dust. The Depleted Uranium has been cited in a massive increase in birth deformities and cancers. Some reports have suggested that it is changing the gender balance of Fallujah; with reports of a dramatic fall in live births of males and severe deformities in girls. It is hard today for researchers to even look into this as Iraq is still under occupation and the US Government will not co-operate. It is worth noting that there are similar reports from US Veterans of the effect of Depleted Uranium.

The occupation has destroyed Iraqi culture and society. The literacy rate has plummeted to 25%! This was a country with an almost full literacy rate before 2003. Why? Because the sectarian violence has forced many families to keep children, especially girls, at home. Because the Maliki puppet 'government' keeps siphoning off funds meant for widows so children have to work. Because the militias are harassing girls and blowing up girl's schools.And Iraq is STILL under occupation.

The Assyrian Orthodox Church is virtually extinct in Iraq. These are the real Christians... in Iraq since the 1st century. Now the Christian overseers of the US/ UK have destroyed them. They were supposed to protect them, they are the occupiers.There was NO Christmas in Iraq in 2010... they fled. And no one even noticed.

And every single day in Iraq... people, mostly young Sunni men, are rounded up, raped, tortured, disappeared and murdered. Every day, there is a suicide bomb, an assassination, helicopter gunship attack. Every day, Iraq bleeds. Even in the recent protests, police trained by the democratic occupiers used live rounds on protesters. The protesters were demanding food, water, services. Even journalists were injured and killed. And no one noticed.

Electricity and water supply is doled out sparingly and according to the sectarian community you happen to live in. If you are a Sunni, you'll be lucky to receive 5 hours a day. It is worth noting from the Iraqi's I speak to; before 2003, no one knew if you were Sunni or Shia. You were just an Iraqi.

I could go on with this but the question we in West need to ask is this. How could we ignore this? How can we just sit by and let this happen in our name? Why are we letting our governments, siphon off our nations resources to kill and destroy a people that did absolutely NOTHING to us? Iraq might have had a dictator but why kill over 1 million innocent civillians?

I believe Iraq is our skeleton in the closet... it betrays every single delusion we have about ourselves. About being fair minded, for human justice, for allowing a nation to flourish and make the best of their people. I remember studying the Nazi Holocaust... I saw the film of Buchenwald where unimaginable horrors were done to innocent people. I read the accounts of survivors and of how Hitler mainpulated the media to bring down the Nazi terror on their own people and other nations. I heard everyone gasp and say "How could they let this happen?", "Or I would've done something" Or "Never Again".

But we have done exactly the same thing the German citizen did then. And we did it to Iraq.

Never forget...

Never forget? Ha!

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 18:41 #
aftab arif
Member

@ Nota

BTW i am now and was always dead set against Western forces intervening in Libyan affairs and if you read my comments in the thread "Arab Turmoil" that will give you proof of where i stand when it comes to Western Intervention, my point is simple if you kill your own citizens then you are destroying the fabric of your society which will cause you many problems and one of them being Western intervention under the banner of freedom and democracy etc.. they will intervene and suppress you even more and plunder your nations wealth more then Gaddafi ever did.

P.S. Peaceful transition was best for Gaddafi involving an internal process involving only Libyans. But to save his rule he did not want that.

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 18:43 #
nota
Member

@Gujjar Talwar
No question Qaddafi is a tyrant. My point is ^^^ above and I FIRMLY believe it is the job of the Libyans alone to get rid of him!!!

Do you think if West succeeds, Libya will be better off? Again I point you to Iraq's example and how it turned out as presented above....

P.S. Interestingly both of you did not touch Yemen, and Bahrain and why it is OK for the West to act to KEEP the tyrants in place there...And what about the Saudi royal family?

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 18:45 #
Truthlover
Member

Gujar Talwar,
You are right and I have no liking for this tyrant but I bleed for my Muslim brothers when they are attacked!

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 18:47 #
Truthlover
Member

HK,
You are absolutely right but this is no time to sit and cry over our shortcomings but to condemn the aggression from the West and prepare ourselves against new Crusaders!

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 18:49 #
SufiSoul
Member

Lets analyse this moment like a commander of army,

creating a win win situation for muslims of round the world.Than best out come and strategy would be,
Qaddafi should resist and compell the NATO and US to send troops in libya.
further he should arm his pro-people against troops of US and NATO.
Qaddafi should try to creat another Iraq and afghanistan in libya.and try to prolong this war to years..
anti-qaddafi people would also be safe and muslims should insist over west to SAVE LIBIYANS SAVE LIBIYANS..
result would be a prolonged war to destruct financially the west..
QADDAFI and WEST agar jathy jathy ye TAKKAR le lain tho KIYA KEHNY....
As a whole muslims will be relaxed after this war.......

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 18:50 #
Abdul Rahman
Member

The Liyan fiasco reminds me of famous poem Saqliyah by Allama Iqbal when he was returning from Europe and wrote this on the deck of ship sailing in the Mediterranean Sea. Ironically it is the exact same spot where cruise missiles are flying today and making dust out of a Muslim country. Iqbal wept looking at the plight of the Ummah and his soul may be weeping today at the tragic plight of Ummah that continues today almost 80 years since Allama wrote that masterpiece.

Saqliyah (Arabic name for island of Sicily in Mediterranean Sea which was once part of Islamic Caliphate)

Role ab dil khol ke role

wo nazar aata hai tahzeebe hijazi ka mazaar
Thaa yehan hungama un sehra nasheenon ka kabhee
Beher Baazigah tha jin ke safinoun ka kabhee

Role ab dil khol ke role

Zalzale jinse shahinshahoun ke darbaroun me the
bijiliyoun ke aashiyane jin ke talwaroun me the

Cry your heart out

There you can see the mazaar/dome of the hijazi civilization
This was once brimming with the influx of desert dwellers
This sea was once the play ground of the ships of the desert dwellers

Cry your heart out

There use to be earthquakes in the palaces of the King of Kings at the sight of the desert dwellers
The swords of tthe desert dwellers were the nests of the lightning

Cry your heart out

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 18:57 #
nota
Member

@SufiSoul
"further he should arm his pro-people against troops of US and NATO."
Gaddafi's 'Long War': Million weapon handout to fight US & allies - RT

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 18:58 #
gujjartalwar
Member

@Nota

Sure, Libya will be in ruins and west will keep them under their thumb for a long time and happily exploit their vast resources.

Bahrain may escape this round because of West's antoganism towards Iran but Yemen should watch out. I won't even count Saudia out. There is a lot of wealth around to be had for a very little effort.

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 19:08 #
dildar
Member

Only an idiot would believe that USA/NATO attacked Libya for the sake of 'love' they have for Libyan people. I just failed to understand that how some of us are buying all this as a 'liberating movement'. Or these are the same people who believe that Afghanistan and Iraq got enough freedom and so it is Libya’s turn now.

Well, then congratulations!

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 19:27 #
oneUp
Member

So for how long are we going to tolerate this bullsh!t ? Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Libya like **** when is this evil empire going to be dessimated.

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 19:51 #
SufiSoul
Member

Libya will be in ruins and west will keep them under their thumb for a long time and happily exploit their vast resources.

this is not so easy when we can see it in Iraq and afghanistan where west is over burdened under huge war expenses and still heavey losses are facing in both specially afghanistan..
Our strategy should be to creat another afghanistan for west/US..
Musalmanon ka kia hy..hum waisy bhi shahdat k talabgar hothy hain.....if muslims got shahdats in libiya war that doesnot matter,to achieve high targets BLOOD of muslims is definitly needed.....

Posted 1 year ago on 20 Mar 2011 19:55 #
nota
Member

Bombs for peace? 'UN completely disgraced in Libya'

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 2:46 #
nota
Member

For the ladies (and "liberals") who love to argue that if women (or "liberals) were in power, the world would be a pieceful place (this is but the latest example. They always forget Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, Meggie Thatcher, Albright, etc.):

Obama's Women Pushed War Against Libya

We’d like to think that women in power would somehow be less prowar, but in the Obama administration at least it appears that the bellicosity is worst among Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice and Samantha Power. All three are liberal interventionists, and all three seem to believe that when the United States exercises military force it has some profound, moral, life-saving character to it. Far from it. Unless President Obama’s better instincts manage to reign in his warrior women—and happily, there’s a chance of that—the United States could find itself engaged in open war in Libya, and soon....

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 2:54 #
shirazi
Member

I agree with nota. There are twenty plus dictatorships in ME. US will only intervene the way they did in Libya in Iran and Libya. In rest of the ME they will try to replace existing rulers with another set of puppets. It's updated imperialism not liberation. If they can do same in Yemen, Bahrain and SA I will buy their point of view.

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 3:10 #
nota
Member

What are the aims?

Operation Adyssey Dawn: Libya to get the "Kosovo Treatment"

President Barack Obama has now made the exact same speech Bill Clinton made on network news back in 1999 – promising "no ground forces" in the next American-led war of aggression. UN and NATO actions against Gaddafi’s Libya are signs of imperialist designs for Libya, including its enormous oil wealth. Moammar Gaddafi has rightfully called these attacks "colonial" and "crusader."...

Regime Change is Unstated Goal of Libya Air Attacks

Imposing a no-fly zone in Libya was first presented as an effort to protect civilians from being targeted by a cruel dictator worried about losing power. But the conflict already has the look of "mission creep" and many are wondering if the Arab tail has wagged the unwitting dog.

Hillary Clinton justified the use of U.S. military forces because she fears "unspeakable atrocities" in Libya if Moammar Gadhafi is left unchecked.

"We have every reason to fear that Gadhafi would commit unspeakable atrocities," Clinton told reporters.

Now the goal, clearly stated or not, is regime change.

U.N Resolution 1973 followed a period of delay during which President Barack Obama told the world the U.S. would remain on the sidelines.
...

"We have every reason to fear that Gadhafi would commit unspeakable atrocities"
Unspeakable attrocities like bombing hospitals, eh Hillary?
Two were hospitals and one a medical clinic targetted by Tomahawks

Why?
US on Libya: 'This council's purpose is... to protect civilians'

Ah, you bomb hospitals to protect civilians...D@mn, they must have some really bad doctors...I am sure the patients feel no more pain. Thanks America! Thanks UN! (And thanks, @aftab! ;-))

Again, I agree with Qaddafi:
Gaddafi "You Are The Aggressors! You Are Animals! You Are Criminals!"

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 3:19 #
jagopakistan
Member

I think attack on Libya may be a western ploy. Since they are not too far from Iran. They may be getting ready to attack Iran. Otherwise why British, France, USA brought their heavy ships and so much armament to defeat Qadafi. I doubt that.

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 4:02 #
Beenai
Moderator

i have already said in one of my posts,after all this revolution thing started off...that these revolutions are engineered.
unfortunately,nobody agreed with me at that point.

now answer me the same questions, which were not being answered in my previous posts:

1. why Revolution is for only Muslim countries?

2. why US is supporting every revolution?

3. why oil rich countries are facing revolution all of a sudden?
though their rulers has been ruling for ages now.

nobody answered my questions at that point.

now US itself has answered by attacking on Libya.
its nothing but Oil, its nothing but Oil.
drama of revolution has been staged by US just to attack on oil rich countries.

now its open .
now every engineered revolution will have its drop scene.

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 4:55 #
nota
Member

@Beenai
"unfortunately,nobody agreed with me at that point."

Oh come on...Nobody? :-P

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 5:13 #
Beenai
Moderator

oh really....:)
u were the wise one to say yes at that point.

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 5:16 #
nota
Member

@Beenai
"1. why Revolution is for only Muslim countries?"

Because like you yourself said these are NOT revolutions -- "these revolutions are engineered"...
BTW: The non-engineered ones are happening everywhere: Greece, Germany, Brussels, Spain, Portugal, UK, Slovenia, Poland, Italy, Serbia and Ireland. And yes, even in US (see Wisconsin) and have been going on for a while....just not getting the press.

"2. why US is supporting every revolution?"
They are not...I have been screaming about Yemen and Bahrain where crushing the revolution is being supported by US.

"3. why oil rich countries are facing revolution all of a sudden? though their rulers has been ruling for ages now."
This one you just answered yourself. :)

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 5:21 #
Beenai
Moderator

thanks and good try to answer my questions.

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 5:27 #
toamin
member

no, i disagree on that "engineering theory" because the start was not engineered, it got started by the people, then later West started to ride the wave-

people started it, just like the judicial crisis weakened musharraf and change was negotiated and a controlled & safe exchange of rule happened-

here people started it and the west "seized the opportunity to ride the wave" and to align themselves with the people while trying to keep the establishment in tact..

so, i would say that it is not as black & white as it appears and we should not make it black & white, credit should be given to people for what they did, may be they couldn't get rid of establishment but they did start something unprecedented and for that giving 100% credit to west is naive-

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 7:13 #
Beenai
Moderator

@salam,
then why all of a sudden?
after ages of these rulers being tolerated by their public?

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 7:22 #
toamin
member

well, beenai, i am not sure how can one say that people tolerated those ruthless tyrants-

people were living in so much fear that they wouldn't even say anything bad about ruler in public fearing 'mukhabraat', so much fear was there, then we saw people overcoming their fear and coming out on streets, this is something Pakistanis who have no experience of those states can't understand because here protest is something trivial, but there it is something unthinkable

french were surprised with the magnitude of the uprising, hence they joined the protesters and removed the figure head while keeping the establishment in tact

same with egypt, americans joined the protesters and people left with cosmetic change only, BUT people overcoming their fear and raising protest against the fearful tyrants is something that should be counted as BLESSING-

That's all in a nutshell-

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 7:29 #
Beenai
Moderator

@salam,
no answer from u on 'all of a sudden' part?

Timing is the key.

why leadership of 5 oil rich countries suddenly has been challenged?

they all wake up at the same time?

all got courage injection at the same time?

its strange and making it dubious to be believed real.

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 7:35 #
toamin
member

of course i answered it in much detail, but perhaps it got missed-

do you think planned, organized, and slow reaction would have shaken these rulers?

sudden surprise was the key here and for that credit goes to the people, we have to keep in mind that "western engineering" starts only AFTER a problem, and here in these scenarios their engineering kicked-in and was also successful, but that came after people suddenly came out on streets-

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 7:40 #
zingaro
Member

There is one urdu verse which is quite sufficient to answer this thread:

Taqdeer kay qazi ka ye fatwa hay azal say
Hay jurm-e-zaeefi ki saza marg-e-mafajaat

I hope you guys got it.

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 7:54 #
Truthlover
Member

@Zingaro,

No, Muslims aren't weak but surely they have forgotten the simple truths that can bring them closer to God. Their hearts are so filled with worldly matters that they lose the touch with reality. Divide and rule is an old maxim that has been appied on Muslims from centuries along with buying the traitors like Zardari, Kayani, Musharaf....
just few examples from Pakistan alone.

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 10:25 #
aftab arif
Member

@ Nota

You are targeting me unfairly, i have already said i am against Western Intervention in any circumstances in Muslim countries.

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 11:00 #
Truthlover
Member

China and Russia have surrendered to the Evil as well, their support on all issues including Iran in security counsel is a clear demonstration.
Why this topi drama? read the link.
http://www.jasarat.com/epaper/mmdetails.php?date=21-03-2011&file=18&category=nation

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 11:18 #
yahya
Member

@zingaro:

I think jurm-e-zaeefi should be changed to jurm-e-bewaqoofi.

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 11:20 #
toamin
member

I think the key question here is why some conflicts got resolved quickly while others are lingering on and on...

I think that Europe (read Brit/Fench) & US are betting on opposing horses so conflict is lingering on & on...

Each side is trying to out manoeuvre the other while keeping the same face at front, americans are trying to find key player from rebels through egyptian/saudi brokering while brit/french are trying to bring someone from qadhafi establishment-

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 11:22 #
yahya
Member

@Truthlover:

"No, Muslims aren't weak but surely they have forgotten the simple truths that can bring them closer to God. Their hearts are so filled with worldly matters that they lose the touch with reality."

Are western hearts not filled with worldly matters? Yet they are still winning. Think before you write something. This talibani mindset is not getting you anywhere.

Posted 1 year ago on 21 Mar 2011 11:23 #

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