C J IFTIKHAR pronounced their decision that memo case are audible for their short order so Asma foiled to spoof to supreme court and Zardari & his regime ready to drape.
asma purportedly & chid to judiciary she also said that the whole judiciary worked with the comply of ESTIBLISHMENT.
TanoliMns
Member
Good news. we hope and expect may this augur well for pakistan
Sharif Aadmi
Member
sara bibi,
I think proper word used is not 'audiable' rather 'admissible' or 'maintainable'.
As far as Asma Jehangir is concerned, her efforst and contribution for constituion and law are more than anybody in pakistan or any sitting judge.
We should differ with idealogy but with respect to personsalities.
Asma was in court against Gen.Yahya Khan , (Asma Jilani Vs Federation of Pakistan Case) , when most of these judges were not even law graduates.
sharif saab
Thanks to enhance my vocabulary but if you check the word in the dictionary prior you advice, never mind "AUDIBLE" mean "qabil-e-samaa'at"
Sharif Aadmi
Member
sara bibi,
u r rite that dictionary word is 'audiable' but legal dictionary word is 'admissiable' or 'maintainable'
ok thanks for knowledge
bsobaid
Member
As expected.
What else can you expect from illegitimate judges.
Part of me is happy because now Aasma will strip off the establishment and their ghulams in public. Bobby gang ka nanga nach.
I hope people demand an investigation into the accusations made in the memo about the planned coup. Bobby gang ko nanga karoo...khaoo peoo party ko expose karoo
http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/aasma-ne-karr-dee-pitai#post-242312
hypocrite
Member
Dont know the background of this alleged memo, yet I am wondering how our nation and various institutions would have reacted if the memo was written to Saudi Arabia.
qaisernadeem
Member
LOL so much for claiming to be anti-est
bsobaid
Member
khanseena1
Member
Wrong decision by supreme court, a political decision. Memo gate is a non-issue. Makes PPP a victim of establishment once again.
Haqqani already resigned, Asif Z immune from persecution due to presidential status, has 2 many seats to impeach him - so then whats the point of this political charade.
Once again Asma Jehangir has risen to the occasion and established the hold the army and ISI have over our country.
hypocrite
Member
whats the point of this political charade
_________
Ego?
Score a point?
Put pressure?
Establish who controls and can push things around?
Nipping in bud before civilians become more powerful?
My question still remains if the reaction to memo would have been same if it was written to Saudi Arabia?
khanseena1
Member
@hypocrite
If memo had been written to Saudi Arabia, everybody would be raising their hands up to claim it.
bsobaid
Member
and my question is will someone file a petition of treason against bobby jurnails for plotting a coup according to memo contents?
kia insaaf hai. Sara shor memo likhnay pay..zara yeh bhi dekh loo mein likha kia hai.
hypocrite
Member
zara yeh bhi dekh loo mein likha kia hai.
___________
May be the whole issue is to take attention away from what is written.
bsobaid
Member
@Hypo,
Let me tell you what will happen in the end.
The establishment ghulam judiciary and ghulam media will charge democratic government with treason and selling nation's pride.
About the contents of memo and planned coup, both entities will say Mansoor Ijaz is a liar and an American citizen and Qadyani so his allegations are worthless.
If Haqqani or democratic government or PPP will try to lay treason charges in court against Kyani, court and media will say since Zardari and co are a party to treason therefore their petition and accusations are not maintainable and contents of memo do not carry any weight. This may not even end up happening as ghulam adalya will either put the case in pending or establishment will force a new election causing establishment party to come in power and the case will become Asghar Khan petition.
Chit bhi meri putt bhi meri.
Estabilshment kaa yeh ganda khel khatam hota dikhaee nahi deta.
bsobaid
Member
I feel there was a judgement error by PPP government. Instead of hoping and expecting to maintain good relations with establishment to protect their government they should have worked with and used N-League's animosity with establishment to put an end to establishment's ganda khel.
Establishment will never be democratic government's friend. All their time is spent on ukhaar pichaar and planning on how to conquer their own nation again and again as they already know they will only face humiliating defeat against outside forces. Khaoo peoo party and bobby gang.
msohail83
Member
This whole thing is a farce. SC should have tossed this case out from the git-go. Asma made good arguments and its nice to see somebody taking on the almighty military establishment.
pirbodla
Member
@ hypocrite
I think just like you, nobody knows about the background of this memo at this stage. This is the precise reason for need of the enquiry to probe the background facts.
Anyway, you retreated as follows:
“My question still remains if the reaction to memo would have been same if it was written to Saudi Arabia?”
I have to say that whatever the purpose or intention of your hypotheses, on the face of it, this appears an ill-conceived analogy to say the least.
First of all no one can be so foolish to write such a memo to SA or any other Islamic country to denuclearise Pakistan. Simply, because they would not do it nor they have capacity to so. However, if anyone does commit such treachery, then almost certainly they would inform Pakistan about the danger to its nuclear arsenal. Obviously in that case, the culprit would have to face Article 6.
In the end, I must say that your question would have made more sense if you had considered ‘Bharat’ instead of ‘Saudi Arabia’.
hypocrite
Member
Bajwa sahib
You are definitely right that I dont have a clue about the background of the memo and I admit it.
Yet how many times in past we have sought help and support from Saudi Arabia both overtly and covertly in our political affairs. Has anyone been taken to task for that support.
I still dont know why Islamic countries will resist any move to denecularize? What happened to Iraq and Libya. What is happening with Iran. How many Islamic countries came to the aid of Libya and Iraq and how many are supporting Iran.
We are led to believe and live in folly that Islamic countries will support us or we have Islamic bomb.
pirbodla
Member
@ hypocrite
Maybe you have some waight in you point, thus your suspicion cannot be rejected in a flash. After all we all know that most of the Muslims countries are the slaves of America. Nevertheless, it appears highly unlikely that they would like to see us weak against Bharat. This could be my wishful thinking.
hypocrite
Member
Bajwa sahib,
Thanks for your comment.
I dont think any country (Islamic or non Islamic) has any interest in our issues with India. Many Islamic countries have stronger ties with India then we have. In this age what matters is economy and international ties.
How many Indians work in Islamic countries? Do these countries prefer Islamic Pakistanis over Indians. I dont think so.
As far as having a stronger Pakistan to thwart any wrong actions from India is concerned , in my humble opinion, it could be done through stronger economy and untied nation.
Unfortunately on both counts we are not doing so good.
pirbodla
Member
This time you are spot on, for what you said is 100% true.
I once witnessed a Somali fighting with a Pakistani over the shooting down of Indian aircraft during Kargill Episode. When people around asked the guy reason of his furry, he said that he just hate Pakistan. Even Saudis do not have much respect for Pakistanis, while the emirate states are even worst.
mariabashir
Member
Clearly Asima Jahangir was discriminated. very sad!
bsobaid
Member
@Bajwa,
F*ck Somalis and F*ck Saudis.
Jiss ko Pakistan se hate hai awoh jahannum mein jaey **** kee aulaad.
oss somlai kay 2 chamat laganay thayy wahein.
stingingnettle
Member
Pakistan does not have the culture of accepting any court judgement. Pakistanis want to live in a world of exceptions and VIP lounges. It is in Pakistan that you come across the term VVIP.
Aasma's ego is too big to fit within the boundaries of the Islamic Republic. She is so full herself that it is beyond her to accept a judgement my the larger bench which incidentally does not go in her favour. So she does the next best thing;
She proves her PPP "credential" as a lawyer and accuses the Supreme Court of colluding with the 'Establishment'!
She has disgraced herself and Pakistan with her statements and I hope she gets done for contempt of court.
I don't know and I don't care whether the Memo is genuine or not but to insist that it should not be investigated at all comes across as hugely disingenuous. I bet Aasma would have been beaming in front of the SC if the decision had gone her way and would have been punching the air scream that the highest court in the land had vindicated her client.
If Aasma had any integrity should would have accepted the judgement with good grace. If a senior lawyer like Aasma behaves with such breath-taking arrogance, what kind of example does that set?
bsobaid
Member
It is not uncommon for lawyers to criticise court's decision and judgement.
The comments made by illegitimate PCO judges have been highly partial.
If they are not establishment kay ghulam then they should also investigate the contents of memo and demand an explaination from khaoo peoo jurnails about their coup plannings.
stingingnettle
Member
Contempt of court is different from disagreement.
Aasma has not criticised the judgement, she has actively insulted the judges' integrity.
I bet you she would have been singing like a canary if the judgement had gone her way and you know that!
Everyone knows that Pakistan rose to in support of the CJ so that we could have a day like today when a decision would go against the sitting government. Do you not think it is a great day? I think it is.
Dusky
Member
Just lisitned to Fara Isphani on Wolf Blitzer/CNN, she claimed that now Haqqani is officially informed that he can not leave the country and according to her they are planning to charge him with treason charges.
khanseena1
Member
What is needed with ISI is a bloody civillian to run it...RAW, Mossad, CIA, all have civillians running it.
tribune.com.pk/story/313748/needed-a-bloody-civilian-at-the-isi/
I agree with the below statements:
"A person of low credibility writes an article in an international newspaper fingering a high official of government and the president himself in an unbelievable ‘plot’ to defang the security establishment of its coup-making prowess, and the DG ISI himself goes marching off to London to ‘investigate’ his own president without as a by-your-leave of the government of Pakistan!
And this when the ISI is not an investigative body; does not have the authority to prosecute anyone, and the DG has no experience whatsoever in police work. Yet he takes it upon himself to become the investigator, prosecutor and judge? "
mosid
Member
Nobody gives a monkeys faaart as to what this maghrib zadah woman has to say. The whole nation is behind CJI
pirbodla
Member
Today Baber Swan appeared on TV walking flamboyantly while wearing loads of red garlands. That made him look like a frigate bird of Galapagos with a resplendent scarlet pouch. His new title should be ‘Man O’War’, for it’s the second name of this unique but stealthy frigate.
In 1979 all opposition leaders and judiciary was licking feet of dictator and establishment, on the name of justice and Islamizatin. Dictator Zia-ul-Haq was claiming that all nation is behind him for justice and Islam.
Now history proved, that justice was murder of a great leader of Pakistan. This has been proven, that all those opposition leaders and judiciary was establishment tout and puppets.
Unfortunately, history is repeating again. Establishment, judiciary and opposition is rounding up PPP government. Because all these three forces has common interests against PPP leadership and government.
mosid
Member
@msyedh
1979 mein media itna aazad na tha aur na loagon mein itna shaoor tha. Memo case mein har baat data say saabit ho gi to kisi ko saza ho gi.
Din ko raat kehnay say raat nahin ho jaati
Memo sahee ha, es mein koi shak nein, laken yeh etana bara mamala nein ha. Es se bary bary blunders huway hain. Opposition, Judiciary and establishment es ko bara mamala apni budniyati kee waja se bana rahay hein. Yeh teenoon fareeq seraf PPP aur zardari ko farag karna chataye hain. Memo ko jan bujh kar bara mamla bunaya ja raha ha.
Yeh koi chupi hoi baat nein ha, keh America hamesha Paksitan ke siyasi aur dusary mamlaat mein amal dakhal rakhta ha.
Agar Hussain Haqani ne yeh Memo apni government ko bachany ke liay likhwa bee dia ha tao es mein koi narali baat nein ha. Pakistani establishment Hamesha Amercian asharoon par Paksitan mein siyasi fasalay karti rahi ha. agar es bar PPP ne apni government ko en foji ahemqoon se bachanay ke liay American se rabta kar lia ha, tao kon see narali baat ho gai ha.
“Agar Hussain Haqani ne yeh Memo apni government ko bachany ke liay likhwa bee dia ha tao es mein koi narali baat nein ha. “
PPP appears to be claiming the right to sell national sovereignty. Lets hope Supreme Court action can bring some crooks in this saga to justice.
Sharif Aadmi
Member
GT
President and prime minister are elected reprs of masses and entrusted with responsiblity to work for the betterement of masses. If they thought that its in best interest of masses to ask for US help to control the BAHDUR FAUJ , they have acted as per their oath.
"If they thought that its in best interest of masses to ask for US help to control the BAHDUR FAUJ , they have acted as per their oath."
Being elected does not give you the right to sell the country. However, if they think that way, they should own the memo and say that in the court. Lets see how the law and constitution works.
khanseena1
Member
@GT
WHat was the price they were selling the nation for? If this memo is credible, all they were asking for was help. We have asked for help from external threats from a variety of countries. This time was asking for help from an internal threat. Why is this treason?
Sharif Aadmi
Member
GT,
Controlling the BAHDUR FAUJ & bringing it under constitution is perfectly the right thing to do.
Sardar Ata ullah mengal once questioned about Indian support for Baloch freedom fighter said , 'We will even take Saitan's support to get rid of BAHDUR FAUJ'.
Same is here. We BLOODY CIVILIANS need to unite against this monster otherwise again someone would be crying on 5th Jul and others on 12th Oct.
bsobaid
Member
Koi poochay jiss binladen kee wajah se pakistan aur afghanistan itnay azaab se guzray aakhir woh establishment kee banhoo mein itnay saal kaisay chupaa raha.
This illegitimate judiciary remembers questionable qurbani of sipah.e.salaar but forgets qurbani of political leadership.
If establishment kee rakhail ch. Iftikhar thinks big bobby,s statement carries weight because of his khaoo peoo qurbani then how come ppp leadership,s statements are unreliable who lost their two leaders?
Sharif Aadmi
Member
bsobaid,
Eik chief say panga laay kar CJ nay bohut bhugat liya. What u want now from him ? He won't take any more panga...
bsobaid
Member
@sharif,
Tou phirr mardana daaway chor kay apni bobby asliatt pay aajaey
expakistani
Member
Bhion help me understand this
"Memo Applications Are maintainable "
Es ka matlab howa ke Chowdary sahib is willing to listen to lawyers of goverment/hussain haqqani and other parties right?
this term didnt mean that Zardari choor ab ghadar bhi hogia... why some people calling " Court ke tareekh ka black day"
Sorry for being ignorant.... just trying to figure out whats wrong here...
blacksheep
Member
@ stingingnettle
Everyone knows that Pakistan rose to in support of the CJ so that we could have a day like today when a decision would go against the sitting government.
بلا شبہ آپ اور آپ جیسی سوچ کے حامل لوگوں کے ہوتے ہوئے پاکستان میں اسٹیبلشمنٹ ہی حکمران رہے گی۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔ آپ صحیح کہتے ہیں کہ عوام نے اس عدلیہ کی حمایت اس لئے کی تھی کہ حکومت کے خلاف بھی فیصلے آسکیں۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔
لیکن مجھے یہ سمجھ نہیں آتا کہ پاکستان کی حکومت ہے کس کے پاس۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔ سویلین کے پاس یا ملٹری اسٹیبلشمنٹ کے پاس۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔
bsobaid
Member
@ex,
The problem is court has made basic human rights subserviant to national security. This is a dangerous precedence.
Secondly, court gave weight to sipah.e.salar,s statement because of his qurbani and completely ignored the point made by federation which was contrary to establishment,s account.
Thirdly, the case being a national security issue is already under investigation by parliament, cj,s parallel investigation is a direct confrontation with elected parliament and excessive to court's mandate. Think of a possibilty where parliament and court arrives contrary conclusions.
Fourthly, the highes court has taken up the case which effetively takes away the right of appeal from haqqani.
Fifthly, the comments made by rakhails sitting in supreme court only confirm their allegiances to their suhaag.
Sixthly, cj has not shown the same enthusiasm in abbotabad case or asghar khan petition or missing cases which are of much higher importance with huge cache of evidence but has taken up this case where the memo writer and receiver are both non.pakistanis and parties nvolved have already said haqqani was not involved and no action was taken on memo.
Sharif Aadmi
Member
expakistani,
There are couple of legal points which have been argued by Ms.Jehangair as well which have been convenivently ignored / overruled by passing this judgement.
a) There is no basic/fundamental right which has been overruled. SC has taken up this case under article 184(3) which pertains to direct invocation of apex court if some fundamental right has been violated and no other remedy is available.
In this case , even if memo has been written , no fundamental right of the peititioner has been violated .
b) Supreme court is not an investigation authority.
c) Its the fundamental right of the accused to get a fair , process based trial. In this case , if commission established by SC, gives some findings against XYZ , where he will go for appeal . The right of appeal is a fundamental right .e.g. first case goes to session court , then high court and then ultimatelly SC. In this instance , SC , which is basically an appealtte court has become the trial court. Where the appeals would go ?
d) A peition of a candadian citizen has also been entertained who has written to CJ that he has some relatives in BAHDUR FAUJ and he fears that they might be killed due to this memogate. With his letter, he has enclosed a blank cheque and sought CJ direction how to stop this. NOw , what fundamental rights a canadian citzen has got in Pakistan and what fundametnal rights were being violated in this case ?
In fact SC has made itself a laughing stock by passing this judgement.
bsobaid
Member
No shareef, not a laughing stock, cj has once again attention of his suhaag using his curvy body in the presence of a whole army of rakhails in establishment,s harem.
Sharif Aadmi
Member
bsobaid,
There were 8 other judges sitting on the bench as well. This is what Ms.Jehangir said in her comments that i was expecting atleast a couple of disscenting notes.
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