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Militant Islam cannot be beaten !
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shimatoree
MemberPosted 1 year ago on 13 Nov 2010 22:27 # -
Damn right!
It's on!
You started it now enjoy for centuries.Posted 1 year ago on 13 Nov 2010 22:57 # -
shimatoree
MemberBO
quote fro me-
" Let us suppose that SHIMATOREE was making policy for the Muslim countries.
I would go and find all such " aggressive pictures " and I would force everyone to look at them and then ask them what are they going to do about that.
I can start a revolution in two days because if the Muslim people saw what the West has done in Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan- if they really saw the truth of these "aggressive pictures"
in Pakistan they would shred the Musharrafs and Zardaris and other in a minute and the Nato and Americans and others will turn tail and run.
But hiding these aggressive pictures is their policy so that may continue to do what they are doing.
Posted 1 year ago on 14 Nov 2010 0:00 # -
shimatoree
MemberBO
quote fro me-
" Let us suppose that SHIMATOREE was making policy for the Muslim countries.
I would go and find all such " aggressive pictures " and I would force everyone to look at them and then ask them what are they going to do about that.
I can start a revolution in two days because if the Muslim people saw what the West has done in Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan- if they really saw the truth of these "aggressive pictures"
in Pakistan they would shred the Musharrafs and Zardaris and other in a minute and the Nato and Americans and others will turn tail and run.
But hiding these aggressive pictures is their policy so that may continue to do what they are doing.
Posted 1 year ago on 14 Nov 2010 0:01 # -
Shimatoree, BO, How come you get taken in by such a piece of arrant nonsense, i.e. propaganda? Sad to say it's 9/11 all over again. Are we Muslims and our children going to be at war for the rest of our days simply because the West keeps inventing false flag operations to turn us into their scapegoat?
Do you not see as well that the only thing still working in their greenest of green pastures and dales is their military-industrial complex? They need the wars. We don't. We need nothing to strengthen our faith. It is strong enough as it is. For the west, wars are practically the only source of income remaining them, apart from their financial shenanigans. And it is self-defeating, for what they earn through weapons production, they spend straight off on maintaining their overseas wars.
We, the Muslims, have a wholly different task ahead of us. Strengthening ourselves on the one hand and liberating Palestine and Kashmir on the other. Well, a voice in the desert speaking. Pay no heed.
Posted 1 year ago on 14 Nov 2010 9:36 # -
NNL
memberIts very easy to wipe off Militant Islam. Just do as Ali Radhi Allah Unhu did with the Khawarij. AQ, Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, JI, JUI, Muslim Brotherhood. Just wipe them out and there shall be no Militant Islam.
There never was a Militant Islam.
Therefore the Reason WHY ALI Radhi Allah Was THE FOURTH KHALIFA.
Posted 1 year ago on 14 Nov 2010 10:06 # -
@NNL
"AQ, Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, JI, JUI, Muslim Brotherhood. Just wipe them out and there shall be no Militant Islam. "Oh that was easy! DONE!! :-P
P.S. ALL "AQ, Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, JI, JUI, Muslim Brotherhood" in the same basket? Hmmmm...(Sorry but JI and JUI among others in the list is a joke)
Posted 1 year ago on 14 Nov 2010 11:51 # -
shimatoree
MemberMG-
Quote-
"Well, a voice in the desert speaking. Pay no heed. "
Sorry heed is being paid and paid in cold intellectual cash ! "
I am not taken in by this but it is a piece of news when the c-in-c of the UK admits that their staunch enemy is unbeatable- which to me means they are preparing their public for what is coming soon-
declare victory and leave Afghanistan.
Also to send a message to " bad guys" If you leave us alone - you may do whatever to whom ever-( meaning the Muslim countries).
Posted 1 year ago on 14 Nov 2010 14:52 # -
Shimatoree, on one level you are right, that's the message. On the other, it's spreading the absolutely false impression that Britian and the West stand in imminent danger of attacks from militant Islam. That opens all the doors to arbitrary detentions, torture and whatever else their sick imaginations suggest to them. I don't trust them one little bit, Shimatoree, not one little bit.
As for their fear of the Afghan Resistance, no secret there. They've even paid the militants not to attack their soldiers. Whatever, they are such criminals, they have never learnt to fight fair. They've loaded up the place with Depleted Uranium, the effects of which will be felt for years to come. You know more about that than me. Say what you like about the Soviet Union, such tricks were nothing they ever stooped to.
Posted 1 year ago on 14 Nov 2010 15:36 # -
There is no such thing as militant Islam; Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. Only few extremist criminal elements are using this term to justify their crimes. Talibans, Jamat Islami and other terrorist groups use this term to recruit jihadis and these Fasadi jihadis can be beaten if we stand united against them. It is time to take strong action against all militants who are defaming Islam for the sake of their ego.
Posted 1 year ago on 14 Nov 2010 15:46 # -
@bitterlies
It is time to take strong action against all militants who are defaming Islam for the sake of their ego.Oh so this is all about 'ego'? Is that what you have figured out after all those sleepless nights?? You, sir, are brilliant!! :-P
Posted 1 year ago on 14 Nov 2010 16:09 # -
Anwer Kamal
MemberMilitant Islam
Islam is away from terrorism
No link with Islam
Political war using name of IslamPosted 1 year ago on 14 Nov 2010 16:18 # -
@Bey pende ka lota
Thanks God I have very good night sleep not like you who promotes extremism on Internet. Taliban apologists like you and many others in Jamat Islami defend and justify taliban's acts of terrorism. What a shame!!!
Posted 1 year ago on 14 Nov 2010 16:21 # -
shimatoree
MemberKARZAI wants military operations curtailed.
Posted 1 year ago on 14 Nov 2010 17:23 # -
@mullah
read the topic heading ad try to comprehend...Posted 1 year ago on 15 Nov 2010 4:57 # -
Mullahater and truth were off topic. Their posts have been removed.
Posted 1 year ago on 16 Nov 2010 19:13 # -
saqib55
MemberMilitant Islam itself was propped up by the CIA and today the ISI.
It is accomplishing its task of distracting and confusing Muslims and making them slaves of the Mullah in the new world order setup known as Khilafah. All while Muslims think they are doing jihad under guidance of Ameer-ul-Momineen and ISI agent Mullah Omar.
Too stupid to even realize that the NATO occupation of Afghanistan is a distraction.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Nov 2010 3:37 # -
quaidkamazaar
MemberISI agent "Mullah Omar"?
M Omar is not an ISI agent is he?Indians say this to blame Pakistan all the time.
But if Pakistanis themselves accept this so openly, I am thinking they might be right.Posted 1 year ago on 17 Nov 2010 6:50 # -
@saqib55
I beg to differ. Mullah Omar is no one's agent. He's his own man. And it is not the Khilafah at stake in Afghanistan, it is the future of the entire world. A New World Order, sure. But not, I think, quite as you've inter-preted it. It is more in the nature of the downfall of the West and the rise of the rest of the world, Africa included. Muslims will be an integral part of that new system in whatever form or shape they see fit. And it will all come about because the heart of Islam, Afghanistan, was the heart of a lion, steady, robust and fearless. Nothing whatsoever to do with CIAs, ISIs, RAWs and company.
Posted 1 year ago on 17 Nov 2010 8:03 # -
spruce
MemberWe know many government services are watching islam and muslim jihaadees Such as the FBI…CIA…Mossad,
We know we are getting on their nerves
And so are you….
So we say the hell with you!
May the FBI burn in Hell
CIA burn in Hell
Mossad burn in Hell
Homeland Security burn in hell!!Islam will dominate the world
Islam is the only solution
Islam will dominate the world
Islam is the only solutionWe will not accept the United Nations, they are the criminals themselves,They get paid by the Israeli and the US government to do their job.We don't recognize United Nations as a body We only recognize Allah.
Israel won't last long… Indeed, Allah will repeat the Holocaust right on the soil of Israel
Takbeer! Allahu Akbar!Posted 1 year ago on 17 Nov 2010 8:22 # -
Thanks Irshad, Excellent text. I soecially liked the bit about not recognising the UN, only Allah! Spot on, man, spot on.
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 8:36 # -
spruce
MemberUnbelievers with whom Muslims are At war
The first category off unbelievers, we said, are those non-Muslims with whom Muslims are in has formal war setting. For example, let custom imagines two countries At war: one Muslim and the other non-Muslim. Thesis non-Muslim combatants are referred to in the books off fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) ace Al-harbiyun (combatants). With glances to thesis specific individuals, clearly Muslims would not show them gentleness, ace they are enemy combatants during has war.
Muhammad is the messenger off God. And those with him are hardware against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. (The Qur' year, 48:29)
Not-combatants during war
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C not kill has decript old man, but has infant Young, but has woman. [3]
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Thus innocent, like women, children, elderly men who unable are off participating in warfare, and likewise by the prophet Muhammad' S instructions, those religious monks who are typically pacifists and hence C not engages in warfare; regarding all thesis people, the prophet Muhammad has forbidden custom under any circumstance to deliberately take any off to their lives. There one occasion during the lifetime off the prophet Muhammad, the Muslims attacked year inhabitation and during the heat off battle entered into is household and killed nap women and children. When the Prophet cam to know off this, He became angered and remarked that God has not feels custom to kill the likes off thesis persons.
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 9:16 # -
shirazi
MemberThe next cold war is between China and US. Jihadis are doing a huge favor to China by diverting US focus from China to them. This enables China to develop their economy. It's in interest of both Chinese and American business community. Once this Muslim hysteria is gone they won't be able to do business as freely as they are doing now. Both American and Chinese are reaping profits at the cost of Muslim blood. Even now Muslim world's combine GDP is less than any of the leading economies. The sad part is this gap is widening. While few of us are celebrating this re-invention of Muslim brotherhood through this jihadi culture I am afraid it's rapidly pushing us decades backward economically while world is swiftly moving forward.
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 14:01 # -
shirazi, not quite. What you say about the Muslims and China may or may not be true. Your sense that *the world is swiftly moving forward" is not at all what the daily influx of news tells us. The west is moving backwards at a vertiginous speed. Someday we'll all find ourselves back to the same point. In other words, no gap is widening. It's closing if anything.
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 14:56 # -
shimatoree
MemberI think it would be difficult for me- to do brain surgery.
I also think that it would be equally difficult for me to try fortune telling and tell about the future.
Having said that- let me re state the purpose of this thread-
1. The statement that the Islamists cannot be beaten was made by a military officer of the West- not by some wild eyed fanatical Talib.
2. It is true that China has become a economic power house but they are still far behind the two super powers- namely Russia and the USA. So to state that the cold war is going to be between China and the USA is a bit pre-mature.
3. The great hoopla about the Muslims becoming a great power in times to come - is just that a great HOOPLA in the minds of a lot of people who suffer from the disease called Wana Bees.
That does not of course equate with dismissing them as a non-factor- far from it but they have a long way to grow and mature AND EVOLVE.4. I will again try to point out that the views about the economic demise of the West though might be true in the long run- are at this time an exaggeration. It has taken 400 years for the West to collect and accumulate and develope to the present stage- well it will take at least 1/4th the time for them to go down- that means 100 years.
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 15:15 # -
Hello shimatoree. We use a million words or so and finally find ourselves all returned to our original positions, whatever they might have been. It's a fool's game finally, all this blogging. Has no one any place left in their brain for the entry of someone else's arguments? I sadly fear that we are all fortresses unto ourselves and no way will we let any strangers in. And also, I fear, no one reads anyone carefully enough. At this rate, we'd probably be best off keeping any views we may hold, shaped and reshaped by the comments we read, if we're capable of that, strictly to ourselves.
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 15:43 # -
shimatoree
MemberMG-
Is it cloudy and overcast where you are ?
I am bit surprised .
The purpose of these blogs is en exchange of ideas so we learn( for free) from each other.If we keep our views to ourselves , then no one knows.That might be good but the chisel of discussion which helps in defining our ideas won't be of help.
More than that- it is the creation of a pre-meditated and planned famine of the intellect.
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 16:37 # -
shimatoree, got it in one. That famous intuition at work again, seems to me. It is "cloudy" and overcast where I am.
Sorry about not having commented yet on what I promised. The blog hasn't been restored fully.
More on all that a bit later.
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 16:44 # -
shimatoree
MemberMG-
Once again I would request the great brains here to comment upon this statement from the British Military Officer about the future of Militant Islam.
On the face of it- the Islamists are essentially a destitute army of believers without resources and with a set command and control structure.
But I would respect the comments of the British General- in strictly military terms.
In War- esp wars that last for a long time- and this one is going to - the adversaries learn and evolve till such a stage is reached when in terms of intellect a deadlock is reached.
The force that is weaker to start with has become stronger and the force which was strong to start with has become weaker.
So the paradigm shifts.
Of course evolution is not a planned thing - it has it's own dynamics and no one can predict( except for thinkers) where it will lead.A whole essay can be written( and will be) on this but the important thing here is the reaction( political) to what the Gen. has said.
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 17:09 # -
Shimatoree
"Well, if they're big and you're small, then you're mobile and they're slow. You're hidden and they're exposed. You only fight battles you know you can win. That's the way the Vietcong did it. You capture their weapons and you use them against them the next time.
"
taken from Enemy of the State (1998)Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 17:20 # -
How would the Afghans feel about 'militancy' let loose on them when report says that 92 % of Afghan men never heard of 9/11 attacks.
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 17:23 # -
shimatoree, I can't quite figure out what you wish us to bend our great minds on.
- Al Qaeda? I still have problems getting my head round that notion.
- 30 years of danger ahead for the west? They are killing us and they are in danger, are they? From where did they hit upon this figure of 30 years?
- Pernicious doctrine? Well, to each his own. How did they suddenly decide to equate "Militant Islam" (a term I also happen to find inappropriate) with Nazism?
- All this is absolutely beyond me.Now to your own extrapolation, shimatoree, you make it all sound very philosophical. I don't know whether that's the right approach or not. When you write at greater length on the subject, maybe I'll understand better. For the moment, all I know for sure is there's a resistance movement at work in Iraq and Afghanistan. In a few other countries, a nascent resistance movement is slowly gaining ground. Is this what all of you mean when you talk of Al Qaeda? These movements are pre-revolutionary in nature and directed against their own sources of exploitation. What has the west got to do with all of it?
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 18:28 # -
truths
MemberPity poor Taliqan (a region in Afghanistan) that at that place are treasures of Allah, but these are not of gold and silver but consist of people who have recognised Allah as they should have.235
There is an indication in the hadith that Afghanistan will be occupied during the end times. The Russian invasion of Afghanistan took place in 1979, or 1400 according to the Hijri calendar. In other words, it coincided with the start of the fourteenth century under the Hijri calendar.
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 18:34 # -
@MG
Al Qaeda DOES exist 'cause Santa told me so!"30 years of danger ahead for the west? They are killing us and they are in danger, are they?"
You know where they picked that up from, don't you? "Israel faces a lot of danger...." Only means they plan to beat the sh!t out of everyone for at least 30 years hence the danger of blow-back ;-)"How did they suddenly decide to equate "Militant Islam" (a term I also happen to find inappropriate) with Nazism?"
Same as above -- with equating between Zionism and Nazism becoming common, they are trying to shift the target :)Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 18:43 # -
truths
MemberThe UK’s Telegraph reported, on Saturday 11/13/2010, the new head of Britain’s armed forces, Gen Sir David Richards, 58, has warned that the West cannot defeat Al Qaeda and militant Islam (see -U.K'S THREAT). Gen Richards said the threat posed by “Al Qaeda and its affiliates” meant Britain’s national security would be at risk for at least 30 years. The West can only contain, not defeat, militant groups such as Al Qaeda he concluded (see also - CAN’T WIN THE WAR). He said extremist Islamism could not be eradicated as an idea .
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 19:25 # -
shimatoree
MemberMg-
Your quote-
"you make it all sound very philosophical. "
I do not make it "SOUND"- It always is philosophical.
I do not use the word Al Qaida.
If it is stipulated that the purpose behind this UK Gene. saying this is -
"to justify continued occupation and war for a long time"
then I must admit that I do not see it that way.
What I see is that with the economic troubles now and coming- the West is trying to placate it's population for the retreat from the Muslim countries.
We have to think in terms of grand strategy not just tactics.
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 19:49 # -
shimatoree
MemberDildar-
The Vietcong were brave but could not have won without the logistical and economic support from Russia and China.
\Yes you can snatch the weapons from the occupiers but to win you need much more material.The Russians and Chinese are NOT helping the insurgency in Afghanistan. Only the Muslim diaspora is.
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 19:51 # -
truths
MemberFight them (the disbelievers), Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and give you victory over them and He will heal the hearts of those who believe." (Qur'an 9:14).
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 20:14 # -
Has anyone asked themselves why the Russians and Chinese are NOT helping the insurgency in Afghanistan? I'm not replying to my own question. The answer should be clear to all, specially to shimatoree. He gave the answer to it himself in his last post addressed to me,
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 20:36 # -
truths
Memberrussia having experince in afghanistan russia well know result of interfare in afghan.
also russian seen interfar result as broken states,china know if china involed in afghanista , auto facing u.s. china war, also china know this is not terror war its a war against islam in this region.also chinease interest in this region without war. china need economic market around the world.also usa is a big economic market for china, china never wish to involved in any war to disturb chinease economic
china prepare own army to stand against usa and next to usa as super power, as china never expose own power technology weapons and other defence options
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 21:06 # -
shimatoree
MemberMG-
My statement about Russia and China not helping is mostly correct except for one little detail.
They are providing weapons to the insurgents that are limited in number and in their scope to remain limited to Afghanistan- such as Sniper rifles.
If they were more actively into the situation- the battle would have turned long ago.
Posted 1 year ago on 19 Nov 2010 23:37 # -
shimatoree
MemberMore of the same-
Patrick Cockburn: Be under no illusion, Nato is in no shape to make progress in this graveyard of empires
Militarily, what defeated the Soviet army in Afghanistan was not the warlike prowess of the Afghans but the 2,500km long border with Pakistan. So long as this remains open, and the insurgents have safe havens in Pakistan, Nato and the Afghan government are not going to win.
Full article at
Posted 1 year ago on 20 Nov 2010 3:01 # -
Forget Cockburn P. There's a brother there, too, equally despicable. He's an idiot generally and a west asset always. He's openly advocating war against Pakistan there.
There's a season for everything. Mangoes do not come to fruition in winter, do they? We are just required to have steady nerves and the patience of saints. The AR have it, why can't we?
Truths: Some of what you say is true enough. Specially the last para of your comment. And thanks for pointing out elsewhere Iran's role in the whole thing.
Posted 1 year ago on 20 Nov 2010 6:57 #
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