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Mini-Third World War Being Fought on Pukhtooni Soil

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haider3
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Mini-3rd world war’ being fought on Pakhtun soil

Saturday, May 15, 2010

By Khalid Kheshgi

PESHAWAR: Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa Chief Minister Ameer Haider Hoti said that an undeclared mini-Third World War was being fought on the soil of Pakhtuns for the last many years.

“The US, China, Russia, Iran, India and other big powers are involved in this war being fought in the Pakhtun belt of Pakistan and Afghanistan,” he told The News in an interview. He said the world powers needed to sit together to find a negotiated political solution to the conflict in this region. He said these countries had chosen to fight each other on Pakhtun soil.

“Whether we like it or not, America can play a big role in this region, where Pakistan and Afghanistan are the main stakeholders. Pakistan and Afghanistan should have developed trust in each other and if these two neighbouring countries come close to each other for the sake of their own people, the US should support this process,” he suggested.

He said thousands of Pakhtuns had been killed in this war of aliens which would continue for many years if the foreign forces continued interfering in the region. The chief minister said the province and the entire Pakhtun belt, being frontline region, had suffered a lot in the war against terror but unfortunately they had received meagre financial support from the international community and the federal government. “Our sacrifices and sufferings are numerous but rewards are meagre. There are so many unfulfilled pledges from the international community for the reconstruction and rehabilitation of the war-affected province, particularly Malakand division,” he stressed. However, he appreciated the assistance from the USAID for the development of health and education sectors in Malakand division.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=28862

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 7:32 #
hariskhan
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

There's more than just Pakistan or Muslim UMMAH who are being targeted in this WW III.

Allies of Muslims, such as;

(1) China

( Though not directly, but through foreign financed uprisings, economic warfare, etc etc )

(2) Africa

( Africans be them Muslims or Christians, they have been friends, they have been allies to Muslims from the era of Muhammad (SAW) )

are also being attacked.

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 7:52 #
haider3
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HK, there you got to the essence of the matter. This is a proxy Third World War. And don't forget Russia (tomorrow's Muslim country) is also part of it. I more and more get the feeling that unless and until a real nuclear bomb goes off somewhere, the world won't return to its senses

As for Black Africa, just one more word, some of the staunchest of Muslims live on that continent. Some of our greatest Muslims live in Senegal or Nigeria, for instance. And Africa is certainly more Muslim than Christian, if figures are added up.

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 9:03 #
hariskhan
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

What needs to be done is for Muslims to re-group, to come together, to form a strategic block, and take on this menace, this challenge of foreign oppression, be it imposed directly or indirectly.

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 9:18 #
haider3
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I quite agree. That is why a three-way agreement between Turkey-Iran-Pakistan would make such a splendid start. Whatever happened to the power Iran was willing to sell us not so long ago? We hear no more about that. Have they even started?

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 9:34 #
semirza
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There has been an agreement since the times of Ayub Khan called RCD Regional Cooperation for Development.

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 10:15 #
haider3
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I know and it was quite active at that time and then allowed to lapse. It must be revived. From what I can tell, Iran and Turkey would be willing. It's Pakistan holding back. This time there is no judgement on Pak Govt here. US absolutely forbids it and it is hard in the midst of war to go against the strong enemy's dictates.

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 10:24 #
hariskhan
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

A military general from UK has given clear statement on objectives of NATO forces in Afghanistan.

This BBC radio talk from UK's general can be listened to here.

He says Muslims will bring about Caliphate in their own land (i.e., from Indonesia to Middle East to Morocco) if NATO forces didn't stop them in Afghanistan.

He adds southern Europe will also want to be Muslim, as a result.

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 11:54 #
toamin
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i don't know if i can answer or add to mg's comment, he might think that i am ganging up against someone or think that i am trying to make friendship or Allah knows what-

anyway, i agree that right now pukhoon soil is the ground for The Great Game of 21st Century-

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 13:25 #
javedsheikh
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@ Mirza Ghalib Sahib,
There is a general political Myth that British Colonial Policy before the WWII, was, mostly based upon the strategy of Divide and Rule.
After WWII, the baton of colonialism was transferred to America, who believes in the wisdom of Unite and Rule.
SEATO, CENTO, Baghdad Pact, United Arab Emirates, RCD, are the products of that policy.
Most of the International Unified Organizations survive under the canopy of American Capitalism.

I am sure the Institution of Khilafat, if ever emerges, would be for the protection of Capitalism.

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 14:14 #
achtung
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number one

i say, khilafat can emerge only if big majority of muslims vote for this. not with the power of gun.

number two

i say, khilafat can, i say again CAN emerge, if there number one agenda is 'peaceful coexistance' with other non muslims nations.

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 14:37 #
javedsheikh
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@ achtung,
I doubt if majority of Muslims will ever vote for revival of the Institution of Khilafat.
You are right!
Peaceful coexistence is the prerequisite for any State and Government to survive without getting isolated.

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 14:45 #
achtung
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javed sheikh bhai

if big majority of muslims not vote for khilafat then forget it

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 14:54 #
haider3
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Firstly, if I may, Salam Sahib, I do humbly beg your pardon for all my foolish words and emotions. Please do forgive me. One learns from past mistakes. Never again, I promise, shall I accuse you of anything at all. And, in the past too, I was accusing both ourselves. Please make it up with me. I am grateful beyond words for all your recent and past help.

achtung - Khilafat through coercion would be a terrible idea. But I do know the Turks are very keen on it, Some parts of our areas, too. Let's wait and see.

javedsheikh sahib, that was subtle distinction between divide and rule and unite and rule and wholly relevant. the bit about capitalism, however, is not too clear yet. As a system, it might just about be on its way out. Time will tell.

And now my own feeling about the imminence of the Khilafat. The wars, of course, which we are definitely going to win. And then this: Eurabia - taking over of Europe by the Muslims. The first shot in the Eurabia war was fired with the minaret ban in Switzerland. The second came with the veil ban in various countries. And now, as of the past few weeks we have the total ban on Islam movement, also in Switzerland. Against the last named we will react. And that might well accelerate the return of the Khilafat. All this is just a feeling. I'd be so pleased to hear what any of you would make of a total ban on Islam in European countries.

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 15:04 #
khanseena1
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@MG

Pakistans problems can not be solved by this notion of Khlafat....Solve Pakistans problems by advocating tolerance, education, justice and law and order.
All this talk of Khilafat is regressive...

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 15:25 #
haider3
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Khanseena1 - Don't you think we all believe that tolerance, education, justice and law and order are prime requisites for any country to reach its goals? any Khilafat which would not provide those would be no Khilafat at all.

Now about regressive, look. Did anyone find the European Union regressive? If you like, consider the Khilafat as a sort of Muslim EU, though organised along different lines and with a different basis to it. I hope no one will interpret this in any way as a slur on the Khilafat. I'm just trying to make a point.

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 16:46 #
javedsheikh
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Mirza Ghalib Sahib,
I don't criticize those respectable scholars who live on a wishful thinking that "Khilafat" would bring a break through for a social, economic and political revolution within a few weeks or months.
The ground reality doesn't reflect any light at end of the tunnel for the time being.
The mood, behavior, thinking, potentials and direction of social fabric of Pakistan, unfortunately, is not very promising.

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 17:10 #
haider3
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True enough, JS Sahib, at this present moment, Pakistan is not fertile ground for great transformations. But the day will come, in someway has to come, when we too will be prepared to fulfil our role in the Ummah. So much between now and then: the Muslim wars which might expand to become WWIII on a larger scale, the state of the West with its dying economic and financial system and Islamophobia. So much more. For the absolute present, like you, I presume, I too see nothing but the status quo continuing. The future, though, I feel quite certain, will hold a lot of surprises for us all.

Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 18:43 #
Wahid Doyum
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Well said by Hoti. The ISI/CIA great game on land of Pukhtuns is our curse for not following Bacha Khan to the end.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 7:39 #
nota
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Well Hoti is one of the facilitators of the empire (I still remember him selling his vote on camera to Zardari). He is just putting on a show and probably read Rick Rozoff's piece from a day earlier

Or are we to think he suddenly woke up to the fact? :-P

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 7:53 #
haider3
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nota, Rozoff is fine, but his west casualty fingers are strongly to be contested. Rule of thumb: for each one west casualty figure reported multiply by ten. One will be closer to the truth.

Without the Punkhtoons we'd be down on our knees by now. And by this I don't just mean Pakistan. Without the mighty Iraqi resistance, ditto. And with the two of them, we might even, God willing, avoid the first drop of a nuclear weapon on this world.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 8:26 #
nota
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@Mirza Ghalib
No arguments there. My point was just that this is no sudden revelation and this messenger (Hoti) is one of those who ought to be hanged -- not admired -- by the pakhtoons.

And you are well away of the start date of this WW. ;-)

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 8:34 #
Wahid Doyum
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This so called war has already been exposed as an ISI led game meant to fool the public, especially gullible Pukthuns.

How strange that both of you who claim to be enemies of Jews like to quote them to prove your agenda! This is the true Pakistani dirty game.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 8:37 #
nota
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@Pathan
Funny to hear you talk about "gullible Pukthuns", you Hoti lover, you :-P

BTW: Do you do anything beside slogans?

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 9:32 #
haider3
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Thanks, nota. WD, not just claim, we are enemies of the Chosen collectivity.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 9:35 #
hariskhan
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@khanseena1: How do you substantiate your claim(s) about Pakistan's problems as well as Khilafat ?

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 9:40 #
nota
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@hariskhan
Shouldn't we be also asking suppose Khilafat IS "bad", could it be possibly any worse than what we have today?

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 9:46 #
hariskhan
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@nota: I agree. Good! Q, brother.

@khanseena1: Add that to the list.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 10:48 #
toamin
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thanks mirza ghalib sahib, i am glad to hear back from you-

good to have positive energy back in my veins

lolzz... i like the imaginative condition of 'big majority' & 'compatibility' ...interesting... indeed :)

so what 'big majority' and 'compatible system' did prophet muhammad pbuh had in makkah?? or madina?? as a muslim sunnah is our yard stick not european philosophy :)

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 14:32 #
Wahid Doyum
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Nota, I do many things, one of which is to expose your lies. Remember when you said Asian Tigers is CIA? :-)

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 14:58 #
haider3
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There, that's our one big problem. West-bedazzled. We use their yardstick to measure what "progress" may be. We'll get over it in time, I imagine.

And thanks, Salam Sahib. You saved my life.

WD: I may have missed something there. But why can't Asian Tigers be CIA? Everything else wrong with this country seems to be.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 15:27 #
Wahid Doyum
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If Asian Tigers is CIA, why did Taliban Media Center of Hakeemullah Mehsud issue press release on their behalf?

Why is Tariq Afridi's name as leader of Asian Tigers mentioned by Hamid Mir's Taliban contact?

Why did Shah Abdul Aziz, Paracha, Haqqani, Afghan Taliban do jarga with Asian Tigers for release of Col Imam if Asian Tigers is CIA? If you are like nota, you might think that Taliban are going to do jarga with CIA!

Please provide logical answers to these questions.

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 16:03 #
Wahid Doyum
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I ask all those who are happy for wars being fought on pukhtun lands and want to promote the continuation of this war, why can't this war for once bee fought somewhere else?

How many superpowers must we pukthuns defeat before it will be ok for rest of muslim "brothers" to take some of the burden?

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 16:05 #
haider3
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WD, good questions you ask above. Perhaps nota will give you the answers you need.

Your second posting came straight from the heart. You are absolutely right. Why are the other Muslim brethren sitting there twiddling their thumbs? I don't know. It is shaming.

In your case as in that of the Palestinians, there's something to do with geography there. But that's hardly an answer. But what about the Iraqi brothers? They have suffered even more than the Punkhtun in this particular horror of a war on Muslims. So you're not quite alone this time in defeating a superpower. Or am I wrong?

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 17:42 #
SufiSoul
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WD Quote:

How many superpowers must we pukthuns defeat before it will be ok for rest of muslim "brothers" to take some of the burden? .................

Can you hear the shouts in the world about,

Arabs are giving Finacial Help to Afghan Mujahideen
Arabs, chechens,Uzbeks,Tajiks are in co-ordination with Mujahideen to fight US.

How can you say that ONLY AFGHANS are fighting????

Yest this land and area have some special situation to fight this war so war is here at this Land which cannot be avoided.....

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 19:46 #
haider3
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Good answer, SufiSoul, good answer.

And, come to think of it, Pakistanis are doing their bit, too. And probably the Kashmiris as well. And the last time, Ahmad Shah Masood's forces were very involved too, so the Pukhtoon were not alone in the fight.

This said, I don't understand why no one ever replies about the Iraqi resistance. Does that make no sense to anyone? Are they not Muslims? They did their bit and have carried on doing so to stop the "superpower".

Posted 2 years ago on 17 May 2010 21:03 #
haider3
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Syed Saleem Shazad's latest stuff:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LE18Df03.html

Posted 2 years ago on 18 May 2010 12:53 #
Wahid Doyum
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@SufiSoul,

"Arabs are giving Finacial Help to Afghan Mujahideen
Arabs, chechens,Uzbeks,Tajiks are in co-ordination with Mujahideen to fight US.

How can you say that ONLY AFGHANS are fighting????"

All this financial help is going to kill pukhtuns/afghans through ISI and the arabs, punjabis, uzbeks, tajiks and chechans. End result is the genocide of pukhtuns and destruction of our lands for power and money by punjabi and arab leaders.

And this what you call "help"????? Your leaders are doing chai paani with US, while my poor people are dying through suicide bombs, pakistani jets and drones. Good help that is!

Posted 2 years ago on 19 May 2010 0:10 #
haider3
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WD, O, man of little faith. Who can ever genocide the Pukhtuns, they who, unlike many others, carry Islam in their very hearts?

Also, to answer my own question about Iraq above, the only people to have recognised the importance of the Iraqi Resistance has been their brother resistance in Afghanistan. Do not weep for your own alone, weep for them, too.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 May 2010 8:03 #
Anti Pakistan
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Mirza Ghalib

are u kidding???????????

""""WD,o man of little faith"""

Posted 2 years ago on 19 May 2010 8:58 #
haider3
member

No, psycho, I'm not. I think WD is a man of tremendous concern and courage. But he tends to mention "genocide" a bit too often. Genocide = the murder of a whole race or people, that can never happen to the Pukhtoons. Never. I was just addressing the choice of a word. Thanks for letting me clear that one up now.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 May 2010 9:18 #