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Mohsin-e-Pakistan Rightly Grilled Parvaiz Houdbhouy......

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SufiSoul
Member

Here are the details below.

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/may2010-daily/24-05-2010/col1.htm

Posted 2 years ago on 24 May 2010 19:41 #
Anti Pakistan
Member

Sufisoul

people don't need to go the link and waiting, just read it here

Posted 2 years ago on 24 May 2010 19:59 #
piranditta
Member

mere nazdeek doctor abdul kadeer or parvaiz hood bohi dono hi kabil e tehseen hain, dono ko aik doosray se ikhtilaaf or tanqeed ka haq hai, humain koi side naheen leni chaiye....dono boltay rahain, koi bara masla naheen hai...

human zardari or madari par nazar rakhni chaiye...

thora dehan se chalna chaiye.......scientist tabkay ko siyasat or mazhabi rang se door rakhan chaiye warna yeh loog apna kaam naheen kar sakain gey or anay wali nasil discourage ho gi.....

jab musharaf ne kuch atomic scientist band kiye the to pindi ki borhi khatoon ne jis ka baita musharaf ne kidnapp kiya tha or jo keh aik scientist tha, mein ne khud tv par suna tha keh , kaha keh maanaiyen (mothers) apnay bachon ko sciensdan na banayeen, hukumat pakar leti hai!

lehaza in buzrgoon ki apas ki nukaati nook jhoonk ko hum awam ko ignore karna paray ga!

Posted 2 years ago on 24 May 2010 20:16 #
SufiSoul
Member

Psycho aap jaisy bhai hon tho kia bath hy,

Waisy i could not find time still to learn how to add this here.Although i know that from above sticky tab i can find help....
Discussion me engagement ki jaldi hothi hy jo bhi time available hotha hy....lol

Posted 2 years ago on 24 May 2010 20:20 #
yahya
Member

Dr Qadeer keeps blowing his own trumpet. What do Ishaq Khan, Rafiq Tarar, Nawaz Sharif and others he mentioned know of nuclear technology to figure who did what and how much, and the Ghauri missile mentioned by Rafiq Tarar is proven to be provided by North Korea when Benazir went there with nuclear blue prints in return for the Ghauri missile technology and manufacturing plant.

Almost childish this whole discussion. Having Ishaq Khan, Raifq Tarar, Nawaz Sharif and other non-techies as witnesses reminds me of the saying khawajay kay gawah tatu. Of course if Dr Qadeer brings some credible nuclear scientists in his support then that's a different matter.

Posted 2 years ago on 24 May 2010 21:21 #
yahya
Member

Dr Qadeer can disagree with Hoodbouy's views but using uncivil language for Hoodbouy as he has done in this article does not reflect well on Dr Qadeer.

Posted 2 years ago on 24 May 2010 21:30 #
achtung
Member

mohsin-e-pakistan bhai.

aap ney aur aapkey sathioon ney, jo hamesha jhoot boltay rahey keh pakistan kay atmi hasool ka maqsad pur-aman hy, kion apni atmi salahiatoon ko bijli babaney kay liye istemaal nahee kia, kion atmi salahiat ka istemaal agriculture ko taraqqi deynay kay liye nahee kia?

aaj log aap ki kotahion kee wajah sey shaded garmi mein bijli sey mehroom hein.

aaj log aap ki kotahion kee wajah sey shaded ghizai qillat ka shikar hein.

kia atom bomb logo ko do waqt kee roti dey saktey hein?

kia atom bomb shaded garmi mein jhulastey huway ghareeboon ko sakoon dey saktey hein?

Posted 2 years ago on 24 May 2010 21:33 #
gazi23
Member

Read thirteenth line of this article which seems that AQ Khan was trying to point out Nawaz Sharif as he was the one who sealed accounts and then took whole money in the name of Karz Utaro Mulk sanwaro remember....Anyways I think he have pointed out Pervaiz Hoodbhoy in very few lines while all he wrote in his article was about his career and appreciation and ovation which he received from all the leaders in Pakistan since Bhutto...

Posted 2 years ago on 24 May 2010 22:16 #
SufiSoul
Member

Dr Qadeer should provide electricity,rooti,kapra,and missile were not made here but in n korea..

First of all technology is transfered not the whole missile except in case of emergency...
Now technology is dependednt upon the host country how to develop or not.....

Pls make comments which holds some sense.
HIS role in starting all this is clear and loud...
Retards like hoodbhouy should be condemned who want us accept GHULAMI and import ghulami setting aside our own PREPARATION....

Kabhi tum kehthy ho k hum tayyar nahi,hamary paas tech nahi.NOW when we get some technological advancement you are crying for peace....
Tumhara bhi koi deen emaan nahi....

For electricity you need more and more urinium which is only possible by agreements for civil neuclear technology with other countries.......

Posted 2 years ago on 24 May 2010 22:48 #
achtung
Member

"Tumhara bhi koi deen emaan nahi...."

sufi bhai

hamara aik barra masala yeh bhi hy keh ham apni sari zindagi doosroon kay 'deen eimaan' ko kuraidney mein guzar daitey hein, jaisey keh hamein iss ja theka mila hua ho.

Posted 2 years ago on 24 May 2010 23:18 #
SufiSoul
Member

Rather than comming logical you are again with ur usual mentality.....

Posted 2 years ago on 24 May 2010 23:22 #
yahya
Member

"HIS role in starting all this is clear and loud..."

How? Apart from non-techies, Dr Qadeer himself and his media friends who is saying it? How many credible scientists are supporting his claim?

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 0:03 #
Shock
Members

He did not grill Pervez Hoodhbouy. He just wrote an aritcle, now give Hoodhbouy to respond too.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 0:06 #
yahya
Member

He used very cheap language for Hoodbouy, hardly worth the dignity of a reply.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 0:23 #
Shock
Members

@yahya

This actually shows the true face this Mohsin-e-Pakistan, and his educational background.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 0:49 #
semirza
Moderator

Dr. A.Q Khan has accomplished a feat that was thought of as impossible according to the circumstances during those days. On the other hand hoodbouy is a mere dwarf and cannot/should not be compared with Dr. Khan. There is no comparison.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 4:14 #
nota
Member

"Dr Qadeer can disagree with Hoodbouy's views but using uncivil language for Hoodbouy as he has done in this article does not reflect well on Dr Qadeer."

So you agree with Dr. Qadeer -- just not the language :-)

BTW: Yahoodboy is the personification of NamakHaram so no harm in calling him that. There is also no denying the fact that Yahoodboy
1: Belongs to an "Aqliati Tabka"
2: His main source of income IS "Ghair-Mulki Wazeefay"
3: Is a "Jahil"...
4: ...who continuously speaks against our nuclear programme and wants us to get rid of it
5: Yes it is our "BudBukhti and BudNiati" that we allow such "NamakHarams" to do "Ayashi" here.

I think Dr Qadeer was being too civil.

P.S. Let's not forget also that it is Nawaz Sharif who is the main target of this article: The credit for
"SUB SAY BARA AUR KABIL-E-LANAAT FAISALA"
is rightly given to Nawaz...

Related (recent) Yahoodboy posts:
http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/adkgs-parvez-hoodbhouy
http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/who-agrees

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 4:48 #
Beenai
Moderator

i fully agree with Dr.AQ Khan .
we wont be able to capitalized on the status of being a nuclear power .
not only the dictators but the civilian Govt has failed to act like a nuclear power ....
even daughter of Bhutto came into power twice and wont be able to do anything to strengthen the status of the country .

on contrary ,towards her last days in this world ,she was entered into a agreement with USA ,and she was ready to handover AQ Khan to IAEA for investigations ....

refer to :

http://www.dawn.com/2007/09/26/top2.htm

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 5:46 #
wantinsaf
Member

Hoodhoy is a paid agent who is working for CIA.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 6:38 #
choosy
Member

Hoodbhoy khud ko scholor bana kay paish kar raha hay .
magar ussko pata nahi ,jasoos aur scholor mien faraq hota hay ...he is a spy .

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 7:40 #
zingaro
Member

You people noted that in his article Dr. Qadeer did not mention who is that bloody scientist. But there is an urdu quote "Chor ki darhi mein tinka" .. so that minority people themselves started mourning and criticizing Dr. Qadeer. Just read the above comments and you will see the affected of the said column. Everybody knows who is Dr. Khan and Who is parvaizhoodboy...

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 9:30 #
yahya
Member

"So you agree with Dr. Qadeer -- just not the language :-)"

No I don't. Where did I say that? The argument is between Dr Qadeer and Hoodbouy.

My point is that Dr Qadeer could have expressed his disagreement, whatever it is, in humanly terms. Looks like he has something personal against Hoodbouy that is why he is criticising Dr Hoodbouy' s personality and not discussing his work. Same goes for Dr Qadeer's supporters; just personal attacks and no evidence of any real wrong doing which only increases Dr Hoodbouy's credibility.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 11:52 #
yahya
Member

None of Dr Qadeer supporters have provided any concrete evidence of Dr Qadeer's contribution, which speaks for itself.

Let's get a few credible nuclear scientists in his support.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 11:53 #
semirza
Moderator

Agreed Nota to all the 5 points you have laid down. Yahoodbhoy a fifth columnist anti Pakistani should be brought out to the open fully exposed time and again, like you have done so that the unsuspecting may know the ways of our enemies.

Dr. A.Q.Khan is not just our hero, he lives in our hearts and when ever and where ever Pakistan is mentioned our heroes are mentioned too. Dr. A.Q.Khan is among them.

Our nation is grateful to him and his team for a gift they have provided us Pakistanis, a deterrent to our enemies that since we have exploded some devices in response our enemy has never brought up this topic again.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 12:06 #
saeed67
Member

Dear Yahya

Reason not to provide any evidence of Dr. Qadeer's contributions is that whole the "Pakistani nation" is very thankful to him and it is impossible to believe that any Pakistani is unaware of his contributions.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 12:14 #
yahya
Member

Power of propaganda can do magic.

Were some real evidence? When people believe something there should be a reason for it.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 12:16 #
choosy
Member

MQM walay Hoodbhoy ko support kartay hain.

kion ?

is liye kay hoodbhoy aur MQM ko aik hi jagah se tankhah mili hay .

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 12:17 #
yahya
Member

Nothing to do with MQM or anything else, evidence so far just does not support allegations on Dr Hoodbouy neither is any Dr Qadeer supporter providing any concrete scientific evidence in support of Dr Qadeer's contributions. Sounds suspicious and seems more like blind hate for Dr Hoodbouy and blind support for Dr Qadeer.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 12:21 #
achtung
Member

i agree with yahya

it is 'blind hate for Dr Hoodbouy and blind support for Dr Qadeer'.

it is all emotional

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 12:40 #
choosy
Member

he he he
blind hate for Hoodbhoy .
and what about you people's blind love for the same .

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 13:01 #
aftab arif
Member

I have observed certain members that when the Shoe is on the other foot they start crying Wolf but when its they turn to spread the muck without evidence they do it quite freely and don't think what we teach we don't seem to practice.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 13:02 #
choosy
Member

agree with Aftab bhai .

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 13:04 #
yahya
Member

Ruud Lubbers, a former Dutch prime minister, revealed in August 2005 that the Netherlands was prepared to arrest Abdul Qadeer Khan 30 years ago. Dutch authorities came close to arresting Khan twice, first in 1975 and later in 1986, but the CIA requested that they let him act freely.

...

Lubbers said that, while he was Prime Minister in 1983, Dutch authorities could have reopened the case after the verdict was quashed. Once again, the Dutch authorities did not do so because of US pressure. "The man was followed for almost ten years and obviously he was a serious problem. But again I was told that the secret services could handle it more effectively," Lubbers said. "The Hague did not have the final say in the matter. Washington did."

http://www.rakhapura.com/rohingya/why-did-the-cia-resist-the-arrest-of-dr.-abdul-qadeer-khan.asp

Anyone can play this information anyway they like but its quiet obvious that US was giving Dr Qadeer all the space he needed to copy the details. Some would say to this information that Pakistan was a key ally of US, but then many third world countries are allies of US but are not allowed to make nuclear weapons. Then incompetence of CIA or cunning of Dr Qadeer is given as excuse, these are the usual excuses US gives when they want something to happen but don’t want to admit openly.

My feeling is US did WANT Pakistan to have nuclear weapon (yeah I know) and gave it every opportunity to collect know how and parts from all over the world to achieve it, while all the while making ho-ha over how it is concerned over those activities. The reason I think US wanted Pakistan to be armed was to pit it against India. It could either be for one of the nuclear wars at some appropriate moment which would take care of both countries and the remaining India and Pakistan would be so less independent, as well as taking care of a large part of population. Alternatively or additionally it is to keep both countries under pressure; its clear that since both countries have denoted nuclear weapons, western specially US influence in both countries has increased many folds and each country in fear of the other is seeking more US help and closer relations with US.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 13:38 #
choosy
Member

@Yahya bhai ,
tum log kisi ko hero rehnay bhi do gaye iss mulk mien ?
subko chor bana diya hay bhai ...
kuch tou khada ka khuf karo ....

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 13:45 #
yahya
Member

choosy, a chore makes himself chore, no one else.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 13:51 #
choosy
Member

he he he he he he
tou phir sub se baray Chor ko chor kehtay hoye kion tarap jatay ho ????:):):)

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 14:10 #
nota
Member

@choosy
"tou phir sub se baray Chor ko chor kehtay hoye kion tarap jatay ho "

If I may borrow:
"he he he he he he"

Aik nay mulk kay liyay "chori" ki (wo bhi secrets)
Aik mulk say chori ker rahi hay (wo bhi sirf paisa)

Farq saaf zahir hay. So think how this exposes you @yahya...kuoN khud ko sub kay samnay nunga ker diya aysay?

But I do find this very interesting: That you support EVERY scumbag -- be it Zardari, Awan, Yahoodboy, etc. Is there some unwritten rule that if one supports one @sshole one must support all @ssholes? Why such consistency?

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 14:59 #
zingaro
Member

yahya .. what do you know about Dr. Khan ? First I want to hear from you and then I will tell you what he has done ...

Secondly .. do you know from which time this parvez yahoodboy is mourning and opposing the nuclear program of Pakistan ... and who made the effigy of Dr. Khan and marched against him in Islamabad ?

Are you trying to be kid?

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 15:27 #
yahya
Member

"yahya .. what do you know about Dr. Khan ? First I want to hear from you and then I will tell you what he has done ... "

Please you go ahead, I don't know much good about him, so your evidence would be helpful.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 15:33 #
semirza
Moderator

When Dr.A.Q.Khan rebukes this hoodboy the sole reason is that Dr. Khan has worked on a dream of nuclear Pakistan while hoodboy is on US payroll and doing as he is tasked…to malign and defame Pakistan through its nuclear program.

1-Mr. Pervez Hoodboy is a security analyst to the US government. As such his loyalties lie with the paymaster. His columns, his writings, and his public pronouncements always support Washington’s point of view. It is rare that Mr. Hoodboy will present the Pakistani point of view.

2-Mr. Hoodboy has little credibility in Pakistan, and is considered a stooge and a paid agent. On one occasion, he almost came to blows with Imran Khan–when Imran Khan repeatedly asked him to accept or deny the fact that he was on the US payroll as a Security Consultant. Mr. Hoodbhoy did not deny the fact, and became very visibly aggravated. This was seen on live television.
3-He is often quoted in the Western press and is thus invited to Pakistani forums. He has no roots in the Pakistani establishment and is shunned by the people of Pakistan and ignored by defense and security establishment of the country. Most people consider him as part of the Indo-US Fifth column.
4-Mr. Hoodbhoy is constantly harping about Pakistan’s Nuclear program and pouring sulphuric acid on its foundations and its reason for existence. In a recent news show he said “Pakistan was formed on the basis of Islam, but cannot continue on that basis”.
5-Pervez Hoodbhoy is a Physicist by training and has been a faculty member at the Quaid-e-Azam University since 1973. No one is quite sure why he speaks extensively about politics in Pakistan. Something went wrong in 90s when he started speaking against Pakistan. It was about the time when he became rich. He is a darling of the West, and almost no article against Pakistan seems to be complete with a Pakistanphobic comment from Mr. Hoodbhoy.
6-According to him, the reason of Muslims lagging behind in scientific research and technology is the Islamic Duties – One full month of fasting, five prayers a day etc … don’t allow Muslims to concentrate or perform well professionally and socially.
7-Hoodbhoy should be challenged intellectually and his bankrupt thoughts exposed. His sophistry has to be defeated with logic and rational reasoning.
The above points have been taken from: http://thedawn.com.pk/the-fifth-column-pervez-hoodboy/.
Now that we have discussed who hoodboy actually is and what is he doing for the good of Pakistan/Pakistanis, let us compare him with what Dr.Abdul Qadir is and what he has done for us but most importantly who has more weight as a patriotic Pakistani?

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 15:57 #
yahya
Member

This fake so called dawn is just a propaganda site which spreads heresies. I suspect you have confused it with the real Dawn newspaper; http://www.dawn.com/

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 16:03 #
naseemkhanan
Member

Oh I see. What is against Yahoodboy is fake and what is not is ok.
What kind of logic is this yahya bhai.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 16:10 #
zia m
Member

Both Qadir and Hoodbhoy have contributed in their own way.Both have positives as well as negative role.One sided criticism is usually biased.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 16:15 #
saeed67
Member

Hoodbhoy and Imran Khan

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 17:00 #
yahya
Member

Imran Khan? Taliban supporter? No wonder.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 17:23 #
aftab arif
Member

I said this a few days ago MQM supporters giving us lectures on morality and terrorism, they need to get they heads checked, seriously!

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 17:30 #
nota
Member

"Oh I see. What is against Yahoodboy is fake and what is not is ok.
What kind of logic is this yahya bhai."

That's a (broken) branch of logic called yahyogic. Think of it as a "T" in the road -- logic goes one way, and yahyogic the other...

@yahya
"I suspect you have confused it with the real Dawn "
No such thing. semirza does not follow yahyogic so no chance him of confusing "http://thedawn.com.pk" with "http:/www.dawn.com" ;-)

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 17:30 #
nota
Member

@yahya
"Imran Khan? Taliban supporter? No wonder. "

Thanks for another quick illustration of how yahyogic works. The argument was Imran Khan vs Hoodbhoy (making him admit he was on US payroll). You bring in something totally unrelated. But you know what? This only proves you know you can not now deny Yahoodboy is on US payroll (as it is PROVEN) so you go off fishing somewhere else.

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 17:34 #
nota
Member

@semirza
Also don't forget the other main dance Yahoodboy performs for his masters: "Taliban are coming". To sell it, he tries every trick:
"Taliban's about to take over Pakistani nukes";
"Taliban capable of making nuclear weapons as they hiring engineers/chemists" (YES, HE ACTUALLY SAID IT!!);
"Pakistan say mawad chori hua aur hota rahay ga" (YES, HE ACTUALLY SAID THIS TOO!!)

He is also selling the blatant lie that the "ABCs of Jihad" are a Taliban creation and not that of University of Nebraska
see his lie at http://www.mideasti.org/summary/can-taliban-win-pakistan

Hoodbhoy showed slides of English and Arabic primers that teach the alphabet by associating letters with words. “A is for atom bomb. C is for collision,” Hoodbhoy read from one page, which depicted a flaming tower collapsing in the attacks on the World Trade Center. The influx of fundamentalist propaganda has been accompanied by another trend: the veiling of female university students and their absence altogether from many institutions of higher education.

And the truth that everyone knows:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Thomas_E._Gouttierre
and http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a84textbooks

BTW: There are many other "respected" "analysts/experts" who echo every word of Yahoodboy and I would like to name the top two: Ahmed Rashid and Ayesha Siddiqa

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 17:53 #
nota
Member

P.S. See Yahoodboy spew his usual cr@p in Capital Talk of Sppt 11 2008 and watch Tariq Fatmi kick his @ss:
http://pkpolitics.com/2008/09/11/capital-talk-11-september-2008/

(Not only was he being childish and making foolish statements but with those intentionally exaggerated facial expressions made himself look like a total idiot. )

Posted 2 years ago on 25 May 2010 17:57 #

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