The two suicide bombers who carried out the Moscow attack were thought to be part of a suicide squad trained in Pakistan's al-Qaeda strongholds sent to the capital to target the city's transport system.
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Moscow airport bomb: suicide bombers were part of squad trained in Pakistan
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yahya
MemberPosted 1 year ago on 26 Jan 2011 20:53 # -
saqib55
MemberWould not be surprising if true. After all Pakistan produces terrorists that attack India, Afghanistan, Iran, UK/Europe, US even China, so adding Russia to the list would not be any different.
It's part and parcel of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan's export business sponsored by the Pakistani military and ISI.
Posted 1 year ago on 26 Jan 2011 22:35 # -
If this news is true then it does not surprise me and neither should it surprise anyone. We have sown seeds of terrorism in the past and now the whole world is suffering because of our past mistakes. Our defective madarssa system is largely responsible for this. Killer of Governor Taseer is glorified in public and this murderer Mumtaz Qadri has now status of a Saint. Any foreign terrorist can come to our country and can get training of his choice. Our Law Enforcement agencies, intelligence and political system have failed to stop growing tide of extremism and in some cases they have aided and abetted such fanatical elements who are now exporting terrorism to entire world as a result earning Pakistan a bad name.
Pakistan’s name is echoed after almost every bomb blast in the world. All terrorist either caught or still at large have training connections in Pakistan. We are paying heavy price for Gen Zia's mistake and his jihadi culture has destroyed our country.
Posted 1 year ago on 26 Jan 2011 23:32 # -
zenith
Member@ Yahya
Saqib
SweettruthValid points, the political parties who never even try to stop the funding to sectarian parties as well as exteremist parties are also responsible.
And above all there seems to be no serious effort from the army to really dismantle this by themselves.
Problem with the people which still remains is the absolute state of denial.
Suffice to say that we tarnished Islam and our country.
Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 0:21 # -
@zenith
Well said bro; today's Pakistan is a dangerous place where murderers are given status of a national religious hero. Where talibans are regarded as soldiers of God; where you cannot criticize any mullah or risk labelled as kafir or Qadiani. Our country is the only country where every madarssa has its own syllabus. Suicide bombers are regarded as Shaheed by our fasadi mullah community headed by Jamat Islami and other such extremist groups.
In my view, ab Pakistan ka Allah hi hafiz hey!!
We are going down the drain faster than expected.Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 0:40 # -
shirazi
MemberSo we maintained our record that every terrorist activity around the globe can be traced back to us. I am not mad at mullahs they are doing what they are born for - jihad, fisad or whatever. My issue is with security establishment that harbors them as strategic assets. They didn't give second thought to their vision, if they have one, despite the massacre we witnessed within our borders in past three decades. I don't know what 'd convince them they are WRONG.
These radical elements 'd be controlled in few months if our security establishment stop patronizing them. But the bigger question is how can we get rid of radicals among security establishment. When Gen. Kiyani says India is his biggest problem and not these Jihadis I wonder what world does he live in? If nuclear bomb can't protect us from India this 800,000 Army certainly can't.
Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 1:02 # -
If this news item is correct then our country has become world centre of terrorist training and we are exporting this to the rest of the world. Our insecure borders attract terrorists from the world and they can cross our unchecked Afghan-Pak border and get whatever training to carry out their acts of terrorism. Now our country is identified as a nation of exporting terrorism. I wonder what will happen if Russians have Drones planes too.
Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 1:31 # -
Not Possible
BlockedI wish the entire world combines in sweeping the mullahs from our country and dumping them in the sea
Deenay Mullah Fee Sebeel Allah Fasad
Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 2:11 # -
Ah, M*RONS UNITED!
"were thought to be" DOES NOT EQUAL "were" but then, when do facts matter to @yahya and his yacking yoyos? :)
Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 2:59 # -
Not Possible
BlockedAhh the head of leaders of creators of a new Islam
Imam Malik and Imam Abu Hanfia Faqihs of their time advised the calpihas of their time not to enforce a common shariah but the Khwarij like Nota are no followers of any Faqihs
or the Deen of Allah(SWT) and his Rasool Allah (SAW)Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 3:04 # -
Not Possible
BlockedBy the start of the 19th century, peace prevailed in Europe. Napoleon had been defeated at Waterloo. In 1815, Prussia, Russia and Austria signed the Holy Alliance in Vienna. By 1848, Central Europe erupted with revolutions. The Alliance broke up. In this milieu, Prussia expanded its Army to such an extent that the state found itself collapsing under its weight. Prussia had become an Army with a country instead of a country with an Army.
There were two choices, either to reduce the large standing army and become a viable state once again or expand by annexing the neighbouring countries to make the burden of its army bearable. Prussia opted for the latter. (The third option was the collapse of the state under the burden of its Army but it was not considered.) By 1871, Prussia under Bismarck occupied Denmark, Austria and France. Prussian Army, ably led by Gen Moltke, could now appropriate the resources of the three subjugated states as well. In this background, we can consider the remarks made repeatedly to the various German dignitaries by President Ayub Khan. ZA Bhutto in 'If I am Assassinated,' says that Ayub said to the Foreign Minister of Federal Republic of Germany in 1961 in Rawalpindi that, 'Pakistan had indeed the same traditions as Prussia.' Von Brentano replied, somewhat puzzled, 'this information is interesting.' In Bonn, the General said the same thing to Chancellor Konrad Adenauer and Foreign Minister Schroeder. In Lahore, Ayub again compared Prussia with Pakistan before a visiting German Walter Scheel, later President of Germany. Bhutto as a minister was a witness to these verbal exchanges and it made him wonder what made Ayub repeatedly draw such an outlandish analogy before the German leaders.
And yet Ayub had been the Army Chief for seven years and President of the country for three to four. Ayub knew what he was talking about! The pieces fit in the jigsaw puzzle. Ayub had raised Pakistan Army from the scratch. He developed a good rapport with Pentagon, State Department and CIA. He assured Americans that Pakistan Army would stand by the USA in case of any emergency in the region. He also made the country a member of Defense Pacts like SEATO and CENTO. Military supplies poured in as did the economic aid. The Army expanded. Noam Chomsky said on more than one occasion, that Pakistan and Iran (under Shah) acted as American policemen in the area.
Pakistan Army had become too big for its country. This fact was openly discussed in the 1959 Congressional hearings. Dillon (Under-Secretary of State), McElroy, the Secretary of Defence, and Air Chief of Staff, Gen Thomas White, were implying that Pakistan had too big an Army establishment. It angered Ayub. Dillon writing to the American Ambassador Langely noted, 'the military role and value of Pakistan Army was dubious at best. In retrospect it now appears clear that the military program was launched as a political measure designed to induce Pakistan to join regional security pacts. From a purely military standpoint, maintaining large armed forces in Pakistan cannot be justified.' (Dennis Kux 'The United States and Pakistan 1947 - 2000, Disenchanted Allies.' 2001 p.105)
The day US withdrew its military and financial aid, Pakistan slid down into an economic chaos. It happened after the 1965 Indo-Pak War. But first, what led to it? Ayub imagined that Pakistan had become the Prussia of the mid-nineteenth century. It had a huge army not maintainable by the meagre resources of the state. Reducing the size of army is not as easy as it sounds. The very thought could prompt other, in line, general to stand up, champion the worthy cause and replace the 'penny-pincher.' For justifying the huge expenditure on army, Kashmir cause became handy. It was under this illusion of glorious traditions of Prussian Army that Ayub undertook the 'Operation Gibraltar.' But Ayub was no Bismarck and Musa no General von Moltke.
The 1962 Indo-China War had shattered Nehru; 1967 six days Arab-Israel War diminished Nasser and 1965 Indo-Pak War drained and sapped Ayub, physically and mentally. Ayub visited US Dec-1965, and he left some impressions on President Johnson: "For his part, Johnson found the Pakistani president 'much subdued, pathetic and sad'. He had gone on an adventure and been licked." (Dennis Kux p.168).
Next 'part-time President' (Yahya's own words) and part-time Army Chief, General Yahya didn't quite know what to do with the huge standing army at his disposal. East Pakistan resources were utilized in the West Pakistan. The disparity between the two wings stood out like a sore thumb; still the regime wanted to maintain the status quo for obvious reasons. Basically army was sent in the East Pakistan for riot control but it ended up by killing its own nationals. Indian element was not counted for in the long term strategy. In Dacca, Chief of Army Staff briefed Asghar Khan about the law and order maintained by the units. When Asghar Khan asked what if Indian forces crossed the border? The General said: "Oh, if that happens, it will be Islamabad's problem." ('Generals in Politics' 1983 p.40). Back in Rawalpindi Air Marshal asked Lt Gen Gul Hassan, Chief of General Staff in the GHQ as to how to resolve the crisis. General Gul replied: "Let's have a war." Asked why, he said impishly: "So we can have a ceasefire." (Asghar Khan p.41). The general feeling in the headquarters was that since we had an overwhelming army, we might as well have a war!
In 1971 War, the military regime of Gen Yahya presented India with an opportunity of a life time and India availed itself of it with both hands. Before Hamoodur Rehman Commission, Yahya admitted, 'sometimes I think that this (break up of Pakistan) is the price we paid for prolonged military rule.'
In the eighties, Zia again utilized the army in Afghanistan for no clear cut objective in mind. (Because it was there!) The war was initiated by USA to bleed USSR with the help and abetment of Pakistan Army. USA wanted to make Afghanistan a Vietnam for Russians. It didn't expect it to break up. America emerged, thanks to Pakistan Army's help, as the sole super power of the world. Afghanistan was ruined. What did Pakistan gain out of that war? Of course generals got enriched. (Washington Post May 8, 1987) The country got Guns, Drugs and ethnic strife! Pakistan still suffers from the fall-out of Afghanistan war.
The belated strategic objective that emerged during the Afghan War was the strategic depth that Zia and his generals wanted to achieve after the exit of Russian forces. They wanted to hold on to Afghanistan and its resources. Zia had drawn a map which indicated the goal of a confederation embracing first Pakistan and Afghanistan and eventually Central Asia and Kashmir. (Diego Cordovez, Selig S. Harrison 'Out of Afghanistan' 1995 p.162). When the Russians agreed to withdraw, Ambassador (Arnold) Raphel added that "we were focused on the withdrawal, while Zia and the ISI were more concerned about what they called 'strategic realignment' and about establishing a pan-Islamic confederation of Pakistan and Afghanistan. They felt that after eight years Pakistan was entitled to run its own show in Kabul. They didn't want an Afghanistan that had fifteen hundred Indian advisors as it did in the days of the King." ('Out of Afghanistan' p.259)
Had the generals played their hand properly, Afghanistan was theirs for the keeps. But trust the politicized generals to turn every gain into loss. To use the cliché, they managed to snatch the defeat from the jaws of victory! Their religious zealotry threw their struggle of a decade and billions of dollars spent on the Afghanistan war into the toilet.
Today, Army can ill afford to indulge in any sort of adventurism. The latest foray into Kargil turned into an international crisis. We had to beat a hasty retreat. Annexation of foreign lands is no more possible. As it is, all the country's meagre resources go into the upkeep of the defence forces. Billions of dollars are spent on procuring the costly hardware that the army may never use, or use it only for field exercises. To date the defence forces have nothing to show for the billions spent on them. There is no return on investment. The army needs to be smart-sized. With nuclear deterrence in place, the build up of piles of conventional armaments are a waste of money. Pakistan has already become an Army with a country. We must reverse this trend without any delay. Spending on the social development programmes must increase. The budget pie chart needs re-carving with bigger slices going into education, population control and health. The sooner it is done, the better.
This article was originally published in The Nation on 27 February 2003, but subsequently the archive for the entire day was removed from the internet.
Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 3:06 # -
shirazi
Member@nota
Our unity is not making any difference thanks to spin masters like you. You and your ilk come up with something every time to plan down or defend these suicide missions.
Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 7:28 # -
Hate to butt in when all of you, nota apart, seem to have reached some form of consensus over the Moscow Airport bombing thanks to an article in the Daily Telegraph. Obviously, no one knows the honesty credentials of the Telegraph either.
From what I myself have read elsewhere, things look quite different. This is not a religious matter as some of you have suddenly turned it into. Pres Medvedev himself assured us no Chechens were involved in the attack. Has anyone taken account the fact that Moscow Airport Security is in Israeli hands (serve the Russians right!) and what did Pres Medvedev do recently to deserve punishment? Let us be very clear on this. Without even stopping over in Israel, he went straight to Palestinian territory and proclaimed Russia, as always, recognised an independent Palestine with Wast Jerusalem as its capital. This was the Israeli reply. But if one adds 2 and 2 and comes up with 5 as the answer, how is one to expect sense and sensitivity in other matters?
Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 8:07 # -
shirazi
Member@MG
Good to see you Mirza Sb. standing by nota in spinning yet another suicide attack by Jihadis to infamous axis of evil US-India-Israel. I hope Dr. Sb. will join you soon :)
Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 8:13 # -
Hello shirazi, Long time no see. Good to hear from you again.
Not me spinning anything, nor nota either. Unlike the Telegraph, we invent nothing at all. We just refuse to take part in "the Pakistan is guilty conspiracy theory" now sweeping the entire world. We have seen too many false flag operations taking place over the past ten years not to have lost our initial trust in what west media says at its face value.
Why Pakistan? Please someone to address the matter of Medvedev's recent recognition of the Palestinian State and the events at Moscow Int Airport?
Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 8:25 # -
shirazi
Member@MG
Forget Telegraph, what about attack yesterday in Lahore that Tehrek e Taliban owned. How 'd you spin that to Tel aviv ?
Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 8:31 # -
ajhons
MemberIn fact west had proogated so much against Pakistan that even a common Pakistani wholeheartedly accpet whatever is written/said by any Source from west.We don't want to go into details and somehow this behaviour might hold some of its own justification.
Our frame of refrence is too limited and we are soo cinvinced within that Pakistan always has something behind every evil being commited anywhere.MG's Isreal securty and recognition of the Palestinian State is pretty valid.How can we rule out this.Does it not the fact that Pakistan is not who harbored terrorism in the past.It's isreal who since WWII had done so much to cultivate the seed of anger which now is giving its fruits.
We, Pakistan, do have its faie share of terrorism but others also have to shoulder this burden.
Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 8:38 # -
@shirazi
"Forget Telegraph, what about attack yesterday in Lahore that Tehrek e Taliban owned. How 'd you spin that to Tel aviv"Swoooooosh....with his @rse exposed, some one just teleported from Moscow toooooooooooooo Lahore! Call about diversionary tactics ;-)
"Good to see you Mirza Sb. standing by nota in spinning yet another suicide attack by Jihadis to infamous axis of evil US-India-Israel. I hope Dr. Sb. will join you soon :) "
As to who's spinning, I think we just saw undeniable proof ;-)
Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 9:46 # -
@MG
Before:
Russian president calls for Israeli freeze
Russia's Medvedev backs independent Palestine
Medvedev recognizes E. Jerusalem as capital of future Palestinian stateAfter:
Putin rules out Chechen rebels from airport attack
Security measures at Domodedovo Airport “clearly violated” - Medvedev
UPDATE: Israeli 'Security' Firm ICTS Helped Provide 'Security' at Russia's Domodedovo AirportHey, and we two are in pretty good company ;-)
Possible False Flag in Moscow? I hope I am wrong
SO WHO DID THE MOSCOW BOMBING AND WHY?
Russian Airport Bombing: Israel Strikes BackBut let's ignore all that and trust @shirazi's logic ("Since they [allegedly] did Lahore, they MUST have done Moscow!") Ah the simplicity of it all!!! :-P
;-)Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 10:02 # -
Ajhons, as ever, feet firmly on the ground and head screwed on exactly as it should be. Not a word out of place in what you say. If the west tells us Pakistan is inhabited mainly by aliens from the planet Mars, many of us would not hesitate a second to believe the spin. Oh, well.
Nota, perfect collection of tales from the west to suit any tastes. Thanks.
Shirazi et al - Look. All this business of "false flags" are no invention of ours. Thinking people in the west, for even the west has such people here and there, provided us with all the information we needed to decide what was what. A hundred times all of you must have heard that the entire west mainstream media (MSM) is in Zionist hands. Again, no invention of ours. People in the west told us that themselves. They should know.
To make up for this grievous deficiency, west dissident blogs came into existence ever since the Muslim Wars began. These deserve to be cultivated as assiduously as some of us read the big titles of west journalism like the Telegraph, the Guardian, the New York Times, etc, as a matter of course.
Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 10:24 # -
saqib55
MemberLOL at false flag. The entire state of Pakistan is in reality a false flag for mullahs. What you sow, you shall reap.
Keep dreaming that everything is false flag and no Muslims are involved in jihadi terrorism.
Posted 1 year ago on 27 Jan 2011 21:13 # -
zenith
Member@ NOTA
I did not like your earlier comment which I guess was written with a priggish thought in mind.
I only condemn the two faced Pakistan establishment who literally leave poor pakistanis to the fanatic mullahs and use them as a bargaining tool.
Now this particular story, if it is true, it just reflects our radicalized society for which all of us should hold the army establishment responsible in collusion with the political mullah league.
Lastly, that syndrome of " absolute denial" - to deny everything and believe that we are saints is only doing us harm.
good day.
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 0:39 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Video: Spotlight - Russia believes that corruption lead the terrorist attacks not Islam
27-January-2011
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Source: Youtube Channel: kashipkchannelPosted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 4:48 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@saqib55: Your "repeated"/"consistent" lack of interest in "identifying" with this collective, with people of Pakistan is a source of great pain and anguish for me. I cannot take the pain of "one of our own" talking about "another one of our own" like they were not part of the same collective.
Are you from Pakistan ?
Is that you received most good things from foreigners that is why you go around spewing hate against your own people ?
What is it ? What is it that is bothering you, pinching you ?
If you love to identify with foreigners, then isn't it time for you to leave Pakistani behind, and join them once and for all ?
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 4:49 # -
Not Possible
Blocked@hariskhan
mullah brigade keeps on coming up with colorful language and twists all the time
first it was biddah, shirk, then kufar, then shimatr etc etc
In terms of twists it was Qoumn ki Beti(though I somewhat sympthaise with that cause)
then Qadri Fiasco,
and now whoever dosent side with the mullahs is not a Pakistani
constant fitna and drama of the mullah brigade
"Deen-e-Mullah- Fee-Sabeel-Allah Fasad" (The religion of Mullah is nothing but anarchy)
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 5:42 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Not Possible: For not taking side with MULLAH ?
Go through his posts on multiple threads for yourself. Check what he says about people of Pakistan, especially Muslims. Check it out for yourself.
My message to "saqib55" is: Don't abandon people of your own collective (if you are from this collective) just because you got some favours from foreigners.
How can you have a collective, when people of a collective do not identify with each other ?
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 5:46 # -
Not Possible
Blocked@hariskhan
it is the mullah military alliance that has turned on its own people, they are the ones responsible for breaking internal unity
and now that the foreigners wish to exploit the division to nail the mullah military allaince...your crapping in your pants for support
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 5:50 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Not Possible: There is no justification for anyone part of this collective to allow foreigners to interfere in internal affairs of this collective.
(1) MULLAH doesn't depend on money from non-Muslim foreigners
(2) MULLAH doesn't allow non-Muslim foreigners to interfere in our internal affairsI myself don't "take" aid/debt/loan/bribe/contribution money from non-Muslim foreigners. I don't allow foreigners to interfere in our internal affairs.
It is you, the common man of this nation who does that, especially the educated among you. You want to stay dependent on the "cocaine" called "money from foreigners". You take money from non-Muslim foreigners, you live on it, and you allow them interfere in our local affairs/politics by voting for those who openly allow them to interfere in our local affairs/politics.
I do not vote for foreign agents (aka secularist politicians). Why do you ?
Why don't you people come together and stand up against local tyrants ? Why do you allow them to usurp all of our our money ? Why do you complain when you willingly accept slavery at the hands of the same tyrants ?
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 5:55 # -
Not Possible
Blocked@hariskhan
the mullah military alliance took all the money in the world from US and weapons from Isreal who are "non muslim" foreigners throught the Afghan Jihad 70's and 80's
as for interference of foreigners post 80's
military still takes money from the west
and mullahs still take money from the middle east
KSA and all Gulf countries are also external powers who should not be meddling with our internal affairsPosted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 6:00 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Not Possible: (1) Your repeating the same accusations which I'v already addressed a million times. That's your "suspicion" talking there. There's no way to "cure" "suspicions".
No MULLAH didn't take money from non-Muslim foreigners. ALL affairs with Americans were direct through the people in power in Pakistan at that time. That would be people in Pakistan Army or PPP Govt.. MULLAH had nothing to do with it. Pakistan Army or PPP Govt. of the time received money, weapons, not MULLAH.
(a) Afghan Muslims fought Russians for the first 2 years of the Afghan <-> Russian war. When Pakistanis', Americans started Afghans to be beating Russians in the war, then they jumped in to "secure" their own interests in this region
(b) There's interview of Mr. Brzezinski in which he himself says Muslims didn't need anything from Americans, be it money, weapons or anything else for fighting Afghan <-> Russian war
They are proving the same by fighting American/NATO foreign occupation forces in Afghanistan since the last decade.
You are BS!ing again, as you normally do in multiple other cases.
(2) KSA is part of the Muslim collective, Muslim civilization. The money Muslims of Pakistan get from Muslims in KSA, if any, is an affair between Muslims. It is our internal affair.
We don't allow foreigners to interfere in our internal affairs. You do. It is you who wants to depend/live on their money. MULLAH has been shouting out loud for Muslims to adhere to "self reliance" for decades.
It is your ego that can't stand the truth.
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 6:06 # -
Not Possible
Blocked@hk
you know the expressions of splitting hairs and bs*ing but funnily enough it is you who does it the most i.e. both splitting hairs and bs*inguntil afghans were fighting alone they were being slaughtered, when foreign money and weapons came they started winning
now they run on poppy money, they promote nasha and earn of it
KSA is the biggest fitna for muslim ummah, it is no collective, for it dosent want to be
it urged an attack on Iran and has funded the entire US economy
1.3tn dollars for arms over next 10 yrs, it provides US cheap oil, it provides US access to airspace and bases on its land, it funded US entire role in Iraq-Kuwait War
so it is no part of muslim collective it is outside intefernece in our matters
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 6:15 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Not Possible: When you don't have facts to support your argument, it is obvious you'll resort to bashing me.
(1) KSA has been under rule of winner of WW I/II (i.e., USA). USA "wages" wars for Zionists, Unjust Jews. Everyone in the world is waking up to the truth about, "why". Why Zionists, Unjust Jews ? Because they control the Christian collective from their "shahrag" (in urdu). They control their money + money supply. Plus they now own most of the businesses/corporations that matter, too. Zionists, Unjust Jews also had control of the British nation, of Europe since long before they had control over USA. Its a centuries old game.
There is no "independent" or Muslim decision making, action taking in KSA, since March, 1924 when Muslim UMMAH was disintegrated into nation states.
You are not taking into account, this fact. You are also not taking into account the fact that even today, Muslims are living under "slavery". Muslims need to bring revolution in their respective nation states in order to throw away this "indirect" "slavery" that is forced upon us.
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(2) Afghans weren't loosing the war, if that's what you mean by "getting slaughtered"
You have the wrong account of history. It doesn't match with reality. And your repeating your propaganda publicly without confirming what you come across.
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 6:25 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Video: The Afghan war and the 'Grand Chessboard'
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Part #1: The Afghan war and the 'Grand Chessboard' Pt.1
Part #2: The Afghan war and the 'Grand Chessboard' Pt2
Part #3: Zbigniew Brzezinski on Iran Pt3
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Source: Youtube Channel: TheRealNewsPosted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 6:29 # -
Not Possible
Blocked@hk
you are in denial the first few years of the war afgahns were losing badly, dont need articles for the, I was alive an aware then and clearly remember it, you can spin all the lies you want would not change the truth
as for facts when do you ever provide facts to support your spin?
I do agree with you that the Alay Saud and wahabi establishment is a planted instrment of the victorious WW2 west and they are nothing but fitna at the behest of the west and evil Jews i.e. Zionists
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 6:31 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
(3) The whole world noted poppy/drug production went to virtually ZERO, when Taliban were in power in Afghanistan. In time of Taliban, agriculture was promoted.
Since USA/NATO invaded Afghanistan, poppy/drug production has gone up above normal production in the past. This fact is acknowledged by international organizations.
The people in Afghanistan are poor. You aren't helping them, especially you the Americanized/westernized/secularized so-called educated ones in Pakistan. You certainly have no credibility to complain about it.
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 6:33 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Not Possible: How do you explain Afghans beating military of 40+ countries combined + private contractor force since/in this last decade (i.e., USA + NATO combined) ?
If they can do that, they can't beat one Army from Russians on their own ?
Are you nuts ?
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 6:37 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
KSA is part of Muslim civilization. It is part of the Muslim collective. The Muslims in KSA do not align themselves with the non-Muslim west.
There is no way one can deny that. You maybe in denial of it. I'm not. Neither is the common man Muslim.
The nation state boundaries you see, and the administrations you see in Muslim nation states, they do not represent the wishes, the aspirations of the Muslim collective, the Muslim civilization.
The Muslim collective was beaten by "treachery", plus by "forcefully" "convincing" Muslims to part with Islam.
Muslim are "recuperating" from their losses, including the loss of intellectual capital.
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 6:42 # -
Not Possible
Blocked@hk
you touched upon just one aspect so I would take it to mean you agree
the Alay Saud and Wahabis are Zionist planted fitna
dont need your confirmation to know that Afghans were loosing before foreign money and weapons came in
and poppy production has gone up because Taliban are using it to fund their war, but yes it is as a response to Nato coming to the region
err the people in Pakistan are poor too, I will help them before anyone else and being poor dosent justify producing drugs and being brutal
I am not americanised to all...and I am a Pakistani...versus the people of "mulq" i.e. waziristan
aka naswara dum dum aka shalwar mey khujlan, and young boys pasandit is your credibilty that is laughable
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 6:43 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Not Possible: People of Pakistan are "munafiq" (hypocr|tes) in most sense of the word.
Pakistani people aren't poor. They are "acting up" as poor. Pakistani people are d@mned rich.
(1) They'v "willingly" allowed their so-called "representatives" to "loot" and plunder Pakistan's public/state money/taxpayer money for decades, without any kind of accountability to-date
(2) Many of them don't even pay taxes
(3) The rich live off of the money of the poor
(4) criminals take loans, get them written off, and there's no accountability and there's no revolt in Pakistan against it
(5) When news of Mr. Zardari, Mr. Nawaz Sharif, and others usurping Pakistan's public money is publicized, there should have been a revolt in the public. The public should have "skinned" Mr. Zardari, Mr. Nawaz Sharif, and all others, down to his bones. The people should have hanged their bodies on public squares to hold them accountable for what they'v done.
Yet, where is it ? Do we see revolution against the millions of lives destroyed in Pakistan, that span over multiple generations ?
(6) Who from the masses in Pakistan is holding public officials or those responsible for this catastrophe accountable for "extracting" money "out of circulation" of "local economy" in Pakistan ?
Why has there been no accountability of perpetrators, for decades ?
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 7:06 # -
Not Possible
Blocked@hk
and you were talking of Pakistani unity?..ur talking as if ur not even a Pakistani
however that we are munafiqs (which incidenlty applies to a lot of muslims around the world)is true
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 7:10 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Not Possible: This is public discussion forum. I don't have the ability here to "point out" "mistakes" in "private". I have to make publicly visible posts/comments/statements.
The purpose in my statements is "constructive". It is "sarcasm", in that I am "pushing", I'm "encouraging" you people to "change" for the better, to improve your ways, to come out of your decades old "munafqat" (hypocr|sy).
You people are not wanting to come out of your laziness, not wanting to come out of your "want" to "remain" "dependent" on foreign money.
This is what MULLAH has been doing for decades. He has been calling upon people of Pakistan to come towards self reliance. Yet the common man of this nation has not been listening to him.
Pakistan is a state. It can "create" all the money it wants to "finance" all the projects it wants inside our nation's borders. Yet it is the common man who continues his "hypocr|sy" with "ham kya kar sakte hain" (in urdu) ?
O bhaee, jab tum zulm ke khilaf kuchch nahi kar sakte, kharhe ho nahi sakte, to chullu bhar pani main doob ke mar to sakte ho na ? Kyoon nahi mar jate ? Munafqat ki zindagi hi guzarni hai to us se behtar hai ke chullu bhar pani main doob ke mar jao (in urdu)
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 7:17 # -
Not Possible
Blocked@hk
lol u speak of munfiqat look at how big a munafiq you are
you speak of lofty goals but refer to mullahs call as a means to approach it?
Mullahs are the biggest bikawus of maal and duniya
their existance is also due to foreign money by KSA and Gulf and Arab states (all pittu of USA and Zionists)
Mullah is ...the biggest form of hyporcicy and their future is very clear, the deapths of the deep blue sea
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 7:24 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Not Possible: Are you nuts ? ah, now I see it. Your trying to win an argument. You'r trying to kill time. Your desperately trying to "find reason" to continue with "munafqat" (hypocr|sy).
Is it in the "interests" of non-Muslims, especially Zionists, Unjust Jews, that Islam, that knowledge, understanding of Islam be spread to other human beings ?
Why would they allow KSA to fund MULLAHs in Pakistan at a time when they are doing all they can to control flow of finances to Muslims spreading Islam's message ?
I repeat: KSA is part of the Muslim collective, the Muslim civilization. The money Muslims of Pakistan get from Muslims in KSA, if any, is an affair between Muslims. It is our internal affair.
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 7:28 # -
Not Possible
Blocked@hk
and I think you have totally lost it and repeat
KSA is the biggest fitna for muslim ummah, it is no collective, for it dosent want to beit urged an attack on Iran and has funded the entire US economy
1.3tn dollars for arms over next 10 yrs, it provides US cheap oil, it provides US access to airspace and bases on its land, it funded US entire role in Iraq-Kuwait War
so it is no part of muslim collective it is outside intefernece in our matters
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 7:32 # -
blackvoid
Memberits a british propaganda to further fuel their defeated war against islam.
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throw the barwan imam into the sea. save the world from fitna sheaPosted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 9:56 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Not Possible: KSA doesn't provide US cheap oil because it wants to. It is "forced" to do so
Perhaps you have forgotten the fact that KSA and its surroundings are "still" under military occupation of USA/Nato military forces. But I haven't. Neither has the common man Muslim.
..and btw, they are providing Pakistan oil on the same rate, if not on a lesser rate. And Pakistan does get oil from KSA on lenient terms. The difference comes where Pakistan's paper currency has been "devalued" along the years, in the past multiple decades, further than US dollar. But, that's a whole different story.
The common man in Pakistan through his "decisions", through his "actions" at the "collective" level, has "helped" or "enabled" "devaluation" of Pakistani Rupee by himself.
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 10:10 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
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Source: Youtube Channel: RussiaTodayPosted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 11:25 # -
Not Possible
Blocked@hk
yes they have bases there but who let them build bases there...non other than Al Saud and the Wahabis.....Saudi Arabai was a muslim collectve before Al-Saud...at the time of the turks
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 11:38 # -
saqib55
Memberhariskhan, I am truly glad that I am a source of great pain and anguish for you.
Truth and those bring truth to others are always a source of great pain and anguish for mansoora trained robots.
You should use this as a learning opportunity and try to reprogram your brainwashing and start the long and arduous path towards truth rather then brainwashing.
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 22:07 # -
shirazi
Member@saqib55
You are the fortunate one. I wish Haris Khan had expressed same pain and anguish about me :)
@Haris bahi
Can I share the honor as well. please?
:)
Posted 1 year ago on 28 Jan 2011 22:15 #
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