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Mother of scandals

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  1. Anonymous

    http://jang.com.pk/jang/nov2009-daily/11-11-2009/u11041.htm

    Inquiry should take place.

    Army and Zardari implicated in Submarine deal.

    Please be reminded, army chief's commission in every arms deal is 2% by default. Navy Chief was apprehended because he tried to cross the line and demanded and earned way more than his commission share.
    Army's total commission is 6% and politicians and beaurancracy earn 4%. Out of 6% army's share, 2% goes straight to army chief and the remaining 4% goes to rest of army officials. All arms deals are done beyond any public or parliamentary scrutiny and army's own establishment manages such deals.
    Zardari's reported assets, 18 billion!!!!

    All arms deals should be investigated and all army chiefs and top generals should be investigated.

    Pak Army poori dunya mein zaleel hogaee hai.

    As usual, establishment spokespersons would conviniently ignore army's implication in this matter and would only blame Zardari.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 14:55 #
  2. zingaro
    Member

    Respected bsobaid bhai .. you are right that everyone who is involved should be investigated and punished to the severest level for corruption as this is the biggest problem in our economy and society. Now for this particular case, i fully agree that the then Army Chief should be asked and investigated if he was involved in commission or not. Similarly Mr. Zardari should also be investigated and if found culprit must be given severe punishment. I hope you will also agree with it.

    My second point is that for example if the army denies such allegations ( i am not talking about Navy as their chief was already arrested in this deal), should Mr. Zardari also be not questioned? I hope you will answer this question considering yourself a Pakistani and not being a PPP worker. Our loyalty is with our country and not with the personalities.

    Third, for the moment we accept Mr. Farhat's statement that this blame is wrong. Why not our President sues that bloody newspaper in the court and ask for damages? Even Mr. Zaradri has not yet denied the report of land purchase in Islamabad. If all the report are baseless then the hell Mr. President not suing all these people?

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:12 #
  3. Anonymous

    Yes, Zardari should also be investigated, no problems with that.

    And no, navy cheif was investigated because he earned more than his share. In every single arms deal, army chief makes 2% !!! rest goes to other army officials. Nay chief made less than half of the total commission earned by army and only one individual was investigated. What about other army officials????

    Again, as I said, army officials earn 6% in every arms deal and 2% goes straight to army chief. This has been happening for a long long time in every single arms deal. Army generals as an institution are involved in worse form of corruption and they are beyond any public scrutiny.

    I dont want to defend Zardari or anyone in this matter but I want people to see, know and realise the mothers of corruption sit in Rawalpindi, not in RAiwand or NawabShah.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:17 #
  4. amin1924
    member

    Mr. 10% got exposed.

    So this 10% figure is really true!

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:18 #
  5. msohail83
    Member

    Mussolini Style!

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:20 #
  6. Anonymous

    @JJ

    dekha, this is exactly what I was expecting. You will ignore the real culprit in this case and only blame one figure.

    And no!! he did not make 10%, he made less than that. Army chief makes 2%, rest of the army makes 4%, all politicians and beauracracy combined make 4%.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:21 #
  7. runaway
    Member

    Third, for the moment we accept Mr. Farhat's statement that this blame is wrong. Why not our President sues that bloody newspaper in the court and ask for damages? Even Mr. Zaradri has not yet denied the report of land purchase in Islamabad. If all the report are baseless then the hell Mr. President not suing all these people?

    I would say the other way. Why no one goes to court and file corruption cases against Zardari and his friends in the new Azad Adaliay.

    Why the CJ does not take suo moto on this.

    We only read corruption stories and hear about these in talk shows and then the storm passes and media moves on to something new. Media should stick to one big scandal and keep drumming until something real happens in govt or court.

    Why not Ansar Abassi or PML-N take plot scandal to court?

    P.S. I truly believe that these reports are correct and Zardari belongs in C-Class jail instead of President house but there has to be something more concrete than news reports from anonymous sources

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:21 #
  8. Anonymous

    Also, Zardari has illegal indeminity from couters through NRO but NS did not hide behind NRO. He has no indemnity. Why is azad adliya not opening his files????

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/when-is-cj-opening-corruption-cases-again-ns

    Anyways, its not about Zardari or NS. The big culprit are sitting in Rawalpindi and there is no oversight in any arms deals they make. Arms deals must be handeled by beauracracy and must be monitored by parliamentraty public accounts committee and auditor general.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:25 #
  9. investigate all rulers before Ayub Khan, they all may be incompetent and politicaly weak but non of them was corrupt in finacial matter.

    Give me name of anyone who made billions from Liaqat Ali khan to khawja nazmuddin, Ghulam mohammad, khaliquzzaman , feroz noon, Suherwardi, Ch. mohammad Ali, Bogra, II Chindrigar, even Sikandar Mirza.

    All corrupt politicians were given promoted by Ayb Khan marshal law.

    Corrupt and incapable politicians who can easily polish their shoes are all intentionally promoted/introduced by military dictators so that
    when army dictator has to leave , the civilian will be corrpt and impotent and
    people will become angry and fed up within 6 months after exit of military dictator,
    people start saying that military ruler was better than these bloody corrupt civilian ruler.

    same happening now.

    all the corrupt and incable politicians are harvested by military dictators.

    Zardari recent corruption news is nothing new,

    we have fell down to that lowest standards of character that we demand proof.

    we say , no court has convicted Zardari so he is innocent.

    shame, shame, shame

    Allah he hafiz.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:27 #
  10. Anonymous

    This is the worse scandal of all times.

    Not only they earned commission but also did a suicide attack to kill foriegn officials.

    This leaves 0 credibility!!!!

    I say again, dont ignore the big chors. Focus on big thugs!!
    Atleast we blame Nawaz Shareef and Zardari of corruption but army generals are still respected and one blames them for corruption where they themselves are the biggest thieves.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:30 #
  11. Anonymous

    Ch should take suo-moto over all arms deals and start from the recent ones.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:31 #
  12. amin1924
    member

    obaid sb,

    Why did zardari broker the deal and why he received money in his account, in what capacity?

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:32 #
  13. zingaro
    Member

    you are right 'runaway' that why not someone goes in the court against Zardari. As per my knowledge, if someone is blamed openly while he is holding public office, he needs to clarify his situation and that is a very common and normal practice all over the world. I give you an example. It is just a week ago when a known newspaper offered damages charges to Kate Winslet for publishing a wrong news. Kate Winslet sued the newspaper that how they dared to publish something wrong about her. I hope you know about such examples.

    On the political scenarios such matters have strong moral and ethical impacts rather then judicial, though i don't deny the judicial proceedings. But as your question still remains there that why not someone sues him in the court? Who will do that? You, I or a common man of our country? This is a bitter truth that every body can't have the security to prevent the attempts which such corrupt people can try to eliminate the applicants. I hope you got my point. And don't expect that NS or Mr. Fazal will do that. They belong to same tribe. On the other hand Ansar Abbasi and his newspaper openly blamed the President and everyone read this news. Don't you think it was a moral and ethical responsibility of Presidency to make clarification instead someone really go to court.

    @bsobaid.. please don't mix up the things that real culprit is in RWP and not in Raiwind or Nawabshah. Culprit is Culprit either he takes 1% or 10% or more. Everyone involved in corruption should be given capital punishment.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:36 #
  14. zingaro
    Member

    @bsobaid .. We should accept that our judiciary despite of the slogans of independence, has not gained the enough strength, to take actions on such matters. Because I bet if today CJ takes a suo moto, you will find many here weeping, mourning, and crying that look CJ is doing this under vendetta. Already the notorious Naeem Bukhari and Ahmed Raza Qasoori(Bhutto case plaintiff), and Lateef Khosa, have been launched to disgrace the sanctity of judiciary.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:40 #
  15. msohail83
    Member

    Obaid,

    This money is just pocket change for the establishment. The real money was made for which Dr Qadeer was made a scapegoat!!!

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:44 #
  16. You want to put all the blame on army as an institution or the people who were involved at that time.

    Secondly by putting all the blame on army you are confirming that His Highness is also involved in this shame blame. Those people who were representing army at that time are no more in army but His Highness is still there and now on even higher post which should be a shame for all of us.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:46 #
  17. amin1924
    member

    *edited

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:47 #
  18. Anonymous

    @JJ, read the news item again.
    Politicians and bureaucracy makes 4% and army makes 6%.

    @LetsDoIt
    As I said earlier, I am not defending Zardari or Musharraf or anyone. All must be investigated. We must also look at the process that gives rise to such scandals. In current process, only arms establishment manages arms deal with 0 oversight by parliament, public accounts committee or auditor general. Every army chief, and yes I mean every army cheif's 2% commission is fixed!!! be it musharraf, zia, kiyani or whoever.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:52 #
  19. zingaro
    Member

    So based on the norms we should catch the culprit who is first available and also go for the others. In this process whoever is available should be investigated, trialed and given the punishment. LetsdoIt is right that His Highness not only got commission at that time, but is now in a position for higher %ages. So lets start from him.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 15:55 #
  20. amin1924
    member

    They all should be prosecuted, whoever looted people wealth should be brought to justice.

    Worst of all is Zardari because he is on looting spree, rest are out of the picture.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 16:05 #
  21. Anonymous

    @sohail, yes, you raised a good point. Real money might have been made in that issue

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 16:07 #
  22. In arms deal parliament has 0% insight but what about power rental projects, sugar crisis, Atta crisis, plots, PIA, Steel mill....... in all such cases parliament is directly or indirectly involved. Do you feel there would be any difference for the people of pakistan even if the arm deals went via parliament.

    The only difference is that this black money will be divided in many instead of few. Was zardari in army when he received this commission so even if arms are bought without involving parliament still civilians are involved in this. Its not army, its only few guys who should be brought to the justice but its our dilemma that the head of the Govt. who should take action against those people is himself involved in this so who should take action? army? civil society? or judiciary who is already burdened with parliament inefficiencies.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 16:22 #
  23. Anonymous

    ok, then every individual should make any government deal on its own with no oversight because parliamentary committees dont make any difference.

    What kind of logic is that??

    Parliament oversight institutionalizes such deals. Today there are corrupt people, tomorrow there wont be but by-passing public offices in making deals is wrong and non-sense in principal. Why dont people understand such simple points.

    OK, you hang 4 individuals today, what will happen tomorrow? There is still no oversight, they will continue to make deals on their owns. Your solution is unsustainable.

    What happened in this arms deal?? who uncovered it?? it was a French daily and French government.

    Who uncovered power scandal or land scandals ?? Pakistani individuals. Why??? because power deals and land deals are part of public record and go under public scruitiny. Some corrupt individuals in government departments might ignore rules and regulations but the records are there and any other non-corrupt person can check them and make them public.

    What happens in arms deal?? None of the details and records are public. Corrupt people can keep on looting and no one finds out!!!!!!

    This is evident in this thread, where everyone is criticising politicians but they are not ready to say a single work against army establishment who are the big thieves. Why?? because their kalay kartoot never become part of public record and people have this perception that they are honest and non-corrupt people.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 16:35 #
  24. uovervinnelig
    Member

    This is very shocking, I knew army was corrupt but to this extent!!!! eye opening. Blame goes to army as an institution because present generals are protecting past corrupt army officers and this chain goes on and goes on...... Right now Kiyani is saving Mush back...

    Along with Zardari, Nawaz Sharif should be trialled. How come he showed very little assets before election commission while we know that he is also billionaire.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 16:36 #
  25. It will take another 62 years just to dig out, sort and investigate about the deep rooted seeds of corruption in Pakistan.

    I agree to some extent what Truepakistani mentioned that corruption was not at alarming level starting from

    "Liaqat Ali khan to khawja nazmuddin, Ghulam mohammad, khaliquzzaman , feroz noon, Suherwardi, Ch. mohammad Ali, Bogra, II Chindrigar, even Sikandar Mirza."

    The Grand-mother of Corruption was born in 1956 with the formation of Republican Party.

    Politicians of East and West Pakistan were bribed to join and support the manifesto of the Party.
    That was the starting line for the race to earn wealth through politics.
    Pakistan was turned into "Pakistan & Co Private Limited".

    Most of the existing Political Dynasties emerged during that period.
    Military Officers above the rank of Lt. Col. also joined the race to make huge fortune for a safe and stable future of their children.
    It is very interesting study.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 16:39 #
  26. zia m
    Member

    If the submarine deal was worth 1.23 billion dollars the commission would be around 123 millin.Zradari got around 4.5 million the rest of the money went to army and other politicians.No wonder Pakistan is considered one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 17:07 #
  27. Anonymous

    Good point Zia and the news item is presented as if Zardari was the sole corrupt person involved.

    4.5 million tou Zardari lay uraa, baqi kay 118.5 millions kaa jawab kon day gaa?????????????? yaa tum log $118.5 million ko chor kay sirf $4.5 million kay peechay parr jao kionkay establishment ko Zardari se chirr hai.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 18:15 #
  28. Anonymous

    No Sir, I will start with bringing army and ISI under control.

    Army Chief should be made teethless and ceremonial, just like in India. Arms deals should be handeled by ministry of defence and finance division. Once it goes under ministry it will automatically come under parliamentary scrutiny and auditor general and will become part of public record. Journalists and civil soceity can then also have access to them and look into them.

    Ofcourse, politicians need to be investigated and penalised as well. All this can take place in parallel or one after the other. For all this to happen, democracy must continue to function.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 18:45 #
  29. zeshaan
    Member

    Sanp ki lakeer petatay jao hona hawan kuch naheen,yeh hee pakistani awam ki kismat hay,rootay rahoo aur jeetay rahoo.Jab takk in sanpoon ka sar kuchalna naheen aayga awam aur aam loog younhee rootay rahain gay.

    Posted 2 years ago on 11 Nov 2009 22:09 #
  30. Anonymous

    @Admin/MOD

    Please merge this post with the original post of the thread

    Total Deal amount: 1.23 billion dollars
    Total kickbacks : 10% i-e 123 million dollars
    Army Chief's Share: 2% i-e 20.46 million dollars
    Rest of the army's share: 4% i-e 40.92 millions
    Zardari'share : 0.4% i-e 4.5 million
    Rest of Politicians/beauracracy share: 3.6% i-e 36.828 millions

    tum log sab chor kay 0.4% walay kay peechay parr gaey hoo. 4.5 million kay Zardari ko choro, 20.46 million kay army chief aur baqi kay 118.6 millions kaa socho kay woh kiss ne khaey.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 2:36 #
  31. amin1924
    member

    Everyone's position and capacity is clear except zardari.

    What was his capacity or role in the deal?

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 3:36 #
  32. Anonymous

    Please explain how is everyone else's capacity and role is clear. Before explaining, please be reminded that Zardari's commission was 0.4% and army chief's was 2% and rest of the army's was 4% and rest of the politicians and beauracracy was 3.96%

    Army walay jab choratay hein tou thoraa bohot politicians ko bhi daal daytay hein takay woh shor naa karein.

    opposition leader kaa bhi fix commission hota hai.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 3:42 #
  33. amin1924
    member

    Role/capacity of other people is clear for example Army Chief is army chief and has great responsibility of the institution.

    For example when a salesman makes a deal, his company pays him commission because of his efforts/work etc

    What was zardari's role or capacity in this deal? Why he received money thru a foreigner in his foreigner account?

    Did army chief and other officials also receive funds in their foreign accounts?

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 3:50 #
  34. mother of all scandals ,in which "Father of all scandals "is involved .i can understand ,why their "tardeed" is so weak?
    and how difficult is to defend a corrupt like Zardari?

    Kashif Abbasi in his show ,yesterday ,was rightly asking to the Govt rep ,Ms.Mehreen Raja ,that if this is a fake scandal to defame President of Pakistan,then why not ,Govt of Pakistan ,is taking action and start a defamation sue against french paper and french journalist?

    unfortunately ,Ms.Raja was not able to answer the valid question,as usual ,as PPP reps do get speechless at that kinda queries .

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 4:50 #
  35. another thread to discuss the same scandal ...i am merging it here and closing that thread .

    Have you any shame Mr. Zardari
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    1.

    Unique
    Member

    Here is what I have just read. I invite all those who are members, supporters or sympathisers of PPP to offer a comment please.

    GEO Pakistan
    Zardari allegedly made big money in sub-marine sale
    Updated at: 1820 PST, Wednesday, November 11, 2009
    PARIS: Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari is suspected of having received millions of dollars in kickbacks from the 1994 sale of three French submarines to the Pakistani Navy, a French daily reported.

    In addition, investigators believe that the non-payment of the full amount of the agreed kickbacks may have led to the deaths of 11 French nationals in a 2002 terror attack in the city of Karachi.

    The report says the French daily acquired documents that allegedly show that Zardari received 4.3 million dollars in kickbacks from the sale of three Agosta 90 submarines for 825 million euros (currently 1.237 billion dollars).

    The documents were sent to the Pakistani National Accountability Bureau (NAB) by British authorities in April 2001 and indicate that Zardari received several large payments into his Swiss bank accounts from a Lebanese businessman, Abdulrahman el-Assir, in 1994 and 1995.

    According to a former executive of the French naval defence company DCN, French authorities chose el-Assir to act as intermediary in the deal. He allegedly deposited a total of 1.3 million dollars in Zardari’s bank accounts between August 15 and 30, 1994, one month before the submarine contract was signed, and then 1.2 million dollars and 1.8 million dollars one year later.

    According to DCN employees who testified in the terror attack investigation, the kickbacks to Pakistan in the deal totalled 10 per cent of the purchase amount, with 6 per cent, or 49.5 million dollars,

    going to the military and 4 per cent, or 33 million euros, being funneled to political circles.
    Posted 9 hours ago

    expakistani
    Member

    @Unique
    tum bhi thori se sharm karo... already 10 post chal rhi hain es story ki tum ney eik or start ker di....

    for the name saket start something Unique
    Posted 8 hours ago
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    Unique
    Member

    Apologies ExPakistani

    Was not aware of this. May be the Admin will take it off.
    Posted 8 hours ago
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    Unique
    Member

    Admin

    Can you please close this topic. Started in error.
    Khan sahib
    5.

    ex,, u were a bit harsh!
    Posted 5 hours ago
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    expakistani
    Member

    arey bacha hey abhi se theek nhi kara to kal ja ker Mulla ya bsobaid ban jaey ga....

    @Unique

    Sorry yaar i didnt mean to disrespect you.... Apna bas style kuch lalokheet walon jesa hey...
    Posted 3 hours ago
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    bsobaid
    Member.

    Total Deal amount: 1.23 billion dollars
    Total kickbacks : 10% i-e 123 million
    Zardari got: 4.5 million which is 0.4% of the total deal
    Remaining kick backs: 118.5 million or 9.6% of the total deal

    baqi kay 118.5 million kay commission kaa kon jawab day gaa??

    tum sab 0.4% kay peechay parr gaey hoo. baqi kay 9.6% kaa sochoo. 118.5 million kiss ne khaey??????
    Posted 3 hours ago
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    expakistani
    Member

    @bsobaid

    Subha se bethey hisab ketab ker rhey ho kia janab.... LOL
    Posted 3 hours ago

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 5:45 #
  36. another thread on Zardari AAbdoz scandal ...

    آبدوز كی خریداری زرداری كمیشن 4.3ملین ڈالر
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    1.

    maxpk
    Member

    آبدوز كی خریداری زرداری كمیشن 4.3ملین ڈالر

    Les pots-de-vin du président pakistanais

    Ali Zardari aurait touché des commissions dans l’affaire des sous-marins de la DCN.
    3 réactions

    Par GUILLAUME DASQUIÉ Envoyé spécial à Karachi

    Le président du Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari, le 12 mai 2009 à New York (AFP Chris Hondros)
    Ce matin, dans une annexe de l’Assemblée nationale, la mission d’information parlementaire sur «les conditions de négociations et d’exécution du contrat de vente de trois sous-marins Agosta 90 au Pakistan» reçoit les familles des victimes de l’attentat de Karachi. Onze salariés de la Direction des constructions navales (DCN) ont péri le 8 mai 2002 à Karachi, alors qu’ils coopéraient au Pakistan dans le cadre de ce contrat. Dans la recherche des causes de cette attaque, le juge ne privilégie plus le scénario d’un attentat d’Al-Qaeda, il explore deux autres voies. D’une part, l’hypothèse d’un attentat en relation avec des commissions occultes non honorées. D’autre part, l’hypothèse d’un attentat venant sanctionner des négociations menées en 2001 par la France pour vendre des sous-marins à l’Inde, l’ennemi héréditaire - une éventualité retenue par un intermédiaire de la DCN, Jean-Marie Boivin, lors d’une récente audition dévoilée par Mediapart. Dans les deux cas, «l’importance du sujet justifie que les parlementaires cherchent à connaître les négociations qui ont entouré ce contrat, et les détails de son exécution», explique le député (PS) Bernard Cazeneuve, rapporteur de cette mission d’information et député maire de Cherbourg - fief de la DCN. Objectif raisonnable… à condition que tous les protagonistes français de ce contrat de 825 millions d’euros lèvent le voile sur le schéma de corruption qu’il sous-tendait. Car les malversations qui ont accompagné cet accord militaro-industriel remontent au sommet du pouvoir exécutif. Sur place, au Pakistan, Libération a ainsi recueilli les documents montrant que l’actuel président, Ali Zardari, a pu être corrompu à hauteur de 4,3 millions de dollars pour ce contrat passé avec la France.

    Comptes. Explication : entre octobre 1993 et novembre 1996, la Première ministre, Benazir Bhutto, offre plusieurs fonctions officielles à son mari, Ali Zardari. Ce dernier en profite pour exiger des commissions tous azimuts, en accord avec son épouse. Une particularité qui lui vaudra le sobriquet de «Mister 10%», et provoquera sa chute. Interpellé le 19 décembre 1996, il est incarcéré pour avoir protégé un trafiquant de drogues contre rémunération, selon une lettre du procureur d’Islamabad dont nous avons obtenu copie. Celle-ci mentionne aussi plusieurs comptes en banque ouverts en Europe. A partir de 1997, le National Accountability Bureau (NAB, sorte de Cour de discipline budgétaire) entreprend de répertorier les avoirs détenus à l’étranger par le couple Bhutto-Zardari. Des coopérations s’enclenchent avec les Suisses et les Britanniques. Selon le bureau du magistrat helvétique Vincent Fournier, que nous avons sollicité, ces requêtes pakistanaises mentionnent les contrats susceptibles d’avoir généré des commissions illicites au profit d’Ali Zardari, dont le contrat des sous-marins de la DCN. Quatre ans plus ****, ces démarches s’avèrent fructueuses.
    Un rapport du NAB indique que le 12 avril 2001 l’administration britannique transmet à Islamabad près de 22 000 documents portant sur les opérations financières d’Ali Zardari. Au cours de cette année 2001, les procédures financières se durcissent contre lui. L’ensemble des pièces adressées par Londres montrent qu’il a reçu d’importantes sommes de la part d’un homme d’affaires d’origine libanaise, Abdulrahman el-Assir. Ce dernier a été imposé comme intermédiaire «par le pouvoir politique» français lors de l’accord du 21 septembre 1994 pour la vente des sous-marins, selon un ancien responsable de la DCN auditionné à Paris. Un ordre du juge britannique Lawrence Collins du 6 octobre 2006 dresse l’inventaire des virements envoyés par El-Assir à Zardari : 1,3 million de dollars en deux fois, entre le 15 et le 30 août 1994, un mois avant la signature du contrat. Puis 1,2 million de dollars et 1,8 million de dollars un an plus ****, entre le 22 août et le 1er septembre 1995. Le juge Collins affirme que ces paiements correspondent à des opérations de corruption. Quelques mois avant le retour de Zardari au pouvoir, l’ensemble des poursuites et des saisies, en Suisse, a été abandonné, le 9 avril 2008.
    Militaires. Mais l’actuel président pakistanais n’est qu’un des bénéficiaires de ces flux validés depuis Paris. Selon les auditions des financiers de la DCN, les commissions prennent un total de 10% de ce marché des sous-marins. Réparties en deux canaux : 4% pour les politiques (dont Ali Zardari) et 6% pour les militaires. Des rapports du NAB recueillis à Karachi indiquent que le chef d’état-major de la marine pakistanaise en 1994, Mansoor Ul-Haq, a profité de la corruption. Arrêté en avril 2001, il a été contraint de restituer près de 7 millions de dollars liés au contrat des sous-marins.
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    Posted 12 hours ago
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    msohail83
    Member

    aap ko french aati hai meray bhai?
    Posted 12 hours ago
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    maxpk
    Member

    اسلام علیكم, باوا كہاں ہیں!!! اپنے صدر كا نام روشن ہو رہا ہے یہاں فرانس میں بھی كیا ہم پاكستانیوں نے اچھی قسمت پائی ہے ناز ہے ہم كو اپنے حكمرانوں سے
    Posted 12 hours ago
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    expakistani
    Member

    maza to tab aye ga jab... President of Pakistan ko hand cuff laga ker Fresh Authorities Paris le jain gi...
    for mudering French solders....
    Posted 12 hours ago
    5.

    maxpk
    Member

    @ msohail83, جی جناب فرنچ آتی ہے اچھے سے اس لیے ہی یہاں پوسٹ كی ہے ریفرنس كے لیے یہ فرانس كا بڑا اخبار ہے اور اس كے فرنٹ پیج پے یہ ارٹیكل اج ہی چھپا ہے
    Posted 11 hours ago
    6.

    bsobaid
    Member.

    Exactly as I expected!!!
    This news item is presented as if Zardari was the only culprit in the case.
    Yes, his involvement should be investigated BUT real and big theives (asli te wadday) are army officials who earned 6% commission and then carried out a suicide attack to retaliate!

    The topic is already open

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/mother-of-scandals
    Posted 11 hours ago
    7.

    expakistani
    Member

    bottom to top or top to bottom ager corruption khatam kerni hey to kheen se start kerna hoga....

    I would say start with asifa zardari... aaj sapola maro eik din sanp bhi mar hi do ge
    Posted 11 hours ago
    8.

    bsobaid
    Member.

    No Sir, I will start with bringing army and ISI under control.

    Army Chief should be made teethless and ceremonial, just like in India. Arms deals should be handeled by ministry of defence and finance division. Once it goes under ministry it will automatically come under parliamentary scrutiny and auditor general and will become part of public record. Journalists and civil soceity can then also have access to them and look into them.

    Ofcourse, politicians need to be investigated and penalised as well. All this can take place in parallel or one after the other. For all this to happen, democracy must continue to function.
    Posted 11 hours ago
    9.

    expakistani
    Member

    why all of the sudden from THE NEWS, pakistan to LA AKHBARA from France start posting news and corruption stories about Zardari......

    I am just trying to make link between Army's punga with Asif Zardari and all those stories with prove....

    Zardari Sahib bh boltey hongey...

    apanii rusavaa_ii tere naam ka charchaa dekhuu.N
    ek zaraa sher kahuu.N aur mai.n kyaa kyaa dekhuu.N
    Posted 8 hours ago

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 5:57 #
  37. Revivalist
    member

    Demon-crazy is all about investing in the elections and then earning Black Money by getting a membership in the parliament, therefore should better be called as ELITOCRACY!!!

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 6:00 #
  38. sasherwani
    Members

    @ BSObaid,

    "4.5 million tou Zardari lay uraa, baqi kay 118.5 millions kaa jawab kon day gaa?????????????? yaa tum log $118.5 million ko chor kay sirf $4.5 million kay peechay parr jao kionkay establishment ko Zardari se chirr hai.
    "

    Woh 4.5 Million khaanay wala president of Pakistan hay! Ofcourse he will remain the main target. Waise 4.5 million kya cheez hay, iss chor nay billions khaye hein.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 6:18 #
  39. amin1924
    member

    zardari party say guzarish hay kay meray sawal par bhi ho sakay to thori see roshni dal dain, mashkoor honga.

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/mother-of-scandals/page/2#post-93606

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 6:28 #
  40. @JJ bhai ,
    unfortunately ,our President is just playing a kick backer role in the whole deal
    and it was him only ,who got benefited out of it .
    so you wont be getting any answer of your solid question.
    i guess.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 6:30 #
  41. amin1924
    member

    Whole country faces such a disgrace because of these cheap actions.

    A couple of million dollars, but the news published in the world was President of Pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 6:40 #
  42. ppl like Zardari never care for the country .
    if they care only 1 % for the country ,situation would be far less embarrassing than this .

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 7:21 #
  43. Revivalist
    member

    Bussharraf's comments about Zardari seems correct, akhir dost hia to dost ke khobiya to maloom hogi na!!!!

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 7:26 #
  44. mush and zardari are the same feather birds.
    i dont see any such difference ...
    only one ,mush wife is alive.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 8:12 #
  45. Zardari should either respond to the foreign news papers or he should give some one else from his party a chance to improve the deteriorating condition of PPP. In the present situation general publics confidence on democracy is decreasing day by day so if this party has so many sacrifices for the democracy they should give one more and zardari should step down from his seat.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 8:38 #
  46. Unique
    member

    @expakistani

    Re "Do you have no shame....".
    No offence was taken. I just felt a little stupid that I was not up to date with the goings on.

    Regards

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 9:20 #
  47. Anonymous

    MODS/ADMIN

    I again request moderators to include this post in the original post
    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/mother-of-scandals#post-93583

    Exactly as I expected, jang news and other establishment newspapers totally ignored (9.6%) 118.5 million earned in kickbacks by army and other politicians and are after (0.4%) 4.6 million of Zardari.

    No problems with that. He is president and should be investigated but logooooooooo baqi kay paisoo kaa jawab doo. military chief ne 26 million dollars akailay khaa liyay. army ne 36 million dollars khaa liyay aur koi onn se nahi pooch raha kay paisay kahan gaey.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 14:33 #
  48. I feel pity for PPP supporters when they say there should be investigation against----------, BTW who should start investigation, jis nain khud apna mounh kala kiya huwa hai??? who will start this investigation?????

    OK we agree that military chief along with whole military should be hanged but who will start this process? are you asking people to take law in their onw hands and then start this investigation.

    Why you are failed to comprehend that its your own beloved Govt. who has to take this action, no one else could take this action and if they are quite at this topic it means they have again sold out their souls for peanuts.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 15:09 #
  49. Anonymous

    LEtsDoIt, you are jumping to the last step. Hanging, lashing, kicking out, cleansing are all dramatic and non-practical steps. First step should be to bring army under civilian control. That should start from giving ministry of defence mandate to manage arms deals. Bringing all details of arms deals to parliamentary committees and getting approval from finance division and allowing auditor general to include arms deals in its audit reports and then making this all available to public records.

    All these steps are taken when a civilian government makes a deal but arms deals are done beyong any sort of public scruitny.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 15:39 #
  50. Anonymous

    Zardari ko kon investigate karay???

    azad adliyaa aur koun???

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Nov 2009 15:40 #

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