Please add any information you have on this thread as I am sick of the MQM biased lovers who wants to defend every crime of MQM. Let see how this list comes out... We should have one list for each party so we can compare and find the "Andhoun may kanna raja" too!
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MQM Crime Sheet ...
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Posted 2 years ago on 22 Mar 2010 23:09 #
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memberOk Chief u know i wuv ya but can u also post the crime list of BB and Zardari and ****.
I wanted to have a Criminal Politician Idol.
Oh and dont forget Ch Shujat Gujjar.
Respects.
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THE MOHAJIR QAUMI MOVEMENT (MQM) IN KARACHI JANUARY 1995-APRIL 1996
November 1996Disclaimer
4. HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES BY THE MQM
Sources indicate that many political parties and groups in Karachi maintain armed militias (AI Feb. 1996, 22; The Herald Dec. 1994a, 34), and that "none of the militias reportedly hesitate to commit human rights abuses" to further political or criminal objectives (AI Feb. 1996, 22). While both MQM factions have repeatedly denied that their members are involved in human rights abuses in Karachi[6] (IPS 8 Dec. 1995; AI Feb. 1996, 22; Country Reports 1995 1996, 1335; Jang 31 Jan. 1996, qtd. in India Abroad 9 Feb. 1996, 10), human rights monitors and knowledgeable observers in Karachi indicate that MQM members have used violence to further their political ends (AI Feb. 1996, 22; Country Reports 1995 1996, 1335; HRW 1995, 166; The Herald Oct. 1995a, 46; ibid. May 1994a, 30). According to The Herald, the MQM leadership is "well-informed about which of its members are involved in [criminal and] terrorist activities" (Oct. 1995a, 46; ibid. May 1994a, 30), but chooses not to expel them because such people are useful to achieving the party's short-term goals (ibid.; ibid. May 1994a, 30).4.1 Violence Against Security Forces
Government, media and human rights sources indicate that about 225 to 250 Karachi police personnel were killed by militants in 1995 (The Frontier Post 16 Mar. 1996; AFP 28 Feb. 1996; The Herald Jan. 1996a, 51; AI Feb. 1996, 23), as were at least 13 Rangers and 11 military personnel (ibid.). The Herald reports that most of these law enforcement personnel died in targeted killings rather than in shoot-outs with militants (Jan. 1996a, 55; ibid. Nov. 1995b, 49). According to Amnesty International, many were off-duty, unarmed and not in uniform, and many were abducted and tortured before being killed (AI Feb. 1996, 23). Sources indicate that many of these were retaliatory or revenge killings (ibid., 24; The Herald Jan. 1996a, 55). States The Herald: "Each time an MQM activist was killed [in 1995], the death of a law enforcement official invariably followed, after which more MQM men were gunned down. That these were vendetta killings is certain" (Jan. 1996a, 55).On 18 July 1995, retired police official Raja Mohammad Ishaq "was abducted from a bus and tortured to death" (AI Feb. 1996, 23; Reuters 18 July 1995). His body was later found in a car in the Gulbahar area of Karachi (AI Feb. 1996, 23; Reuters 18 July 1995). In a separate incident on 18 July 1995, assistant subinspector Abdul Razzak was shot and killed in Gulbahar (AI Feb. 1996, 23; Reuters 18 July 1995). According to police he had been abducted, blindfolded and his hands and feet bound before being shot, after which his body was placed in a sack and dumped (AI Feb. 1996, 23; Reuters 18 July 1995). A note found on the body reportedly stated "anyone who confronts us will meet the same fate" (AI Feb. 1996, 23; Reuters 18 July 1995).
Other state personnel have also been targeted. On 30 September 1995, the bodies of two airmen from the Korangi airforce base were found on a deserted road in Korangi (FEER 19 Oct. 1995a, 24). The men had been abducted at gunpoint and then bound, gagged and shot in the head at point-blank range (ibid.). Colleagues of the slain men reportedly stated their regulation short haircuts had identified them as military personnel, and they were killed for this reason alone (ibid.). Military personnel have reportedly been instructed not to wear uniforms when off duty, and some officials have removed government-issue licence plates from their cars (ibid.).
Family members of police personnel and government officials have also been targeted. On 27 September 1995, two adult sons and the guard of Karachi police superintendent Kazi Abdul Rashid were killed when their car was ambushed outside their home in Central district (AI Feb. 1995, 24; FEER 19 Oct. 1995b, 28; AFP 27 Sept. 1995; AP 27 Sept. 1995). The driver and a second guard were seriously wounded in the attack (AFP 27 Sept. 1995; Reuters 27 Sept. 1995). On 15 October 1995, five family members of Karachi police deputy superintendent Khawaja Nisar were shot and killed by gunmen in their North Nazimabad home (AI Feb. 1995, 24; AFP 15 Oct. 1995; AP 15 Oct. 1995; Reuters 15 Oct. 1995). Nisar, who was not home at the time, had reportedly escaped an earlier rocket attack on his house (AFP 15 Oct. 1995). Police speculated this latest attack was in retaliation for the custodial deaths five days earlier of MQM activist Fahim Farooqi and his three colleagues (see subsection 4.4) (ibid.; AP 15 Oct. 1995). Also killed on 15 October 1995 were a Karachi police officer, the brother of a murdered Central district PPP official, and Ahmed Ali Soomro, a former advisor to the Sindh chief minister (AFP 15 Oct. 1995; AP 15 Oct. 1995; Reuters 15 Oct. 1995).
One person was killed and eight to ten people injured, most family members of police officers, in a 13 November 1995 mid-morning attack on a police station and adjacent housing compound in the Garden East area of South district (AFP 13 Nov. 1995; AP 13 Nov. 1995; DPA 13 Nov. 1995; Reuters 13 Nov. 1995; Country Reports 1995 1996, 1336). Militants hidden on the rooftops of adjacent buildings fired five to ten rocket-propelled grenades at the complex, followed by heavy automatic weapons fire, in a 20-minute gun battle in which one militant was killed (AFP 13 Nov. 1995; AP 13 Nov. 1995; DPA 13 Nov. 1995; Reuters 13 Nov. 1995). Police blamed the MQM for the attack (AFP 13 Nov. 1995; AP 13 Nov. 1995), which one official described as a "serious security breach" (Reuters 13 Nov. 1995). Rangers cordoned off the neighbourhood and conducted a house-to-house search for the remaining attackers (DPA 13 Nov. 1995); one source reports that "at least" 100 people were detained for questioning (Reuters 13 Nov. 1995).
On 23 November 1995, Ehsan Ali Shah, the apolitical younger brother of Sindh Chief Minister Abdullah Shah, and his friend and driver, were killed near his home in Karachi's Federal B Area (AI Feb. 1996, 24; The Herald Jan. 1996a, 55; Country Reports 1995 1996, 1336). Two days earlier the Urdu daily Takbeer had reportedly quoted an MQM source as stating that one of Shah's relatives would soon be killed (AI Feb. 1996, 24).
Many of the unidentified and mutilated bodies found in gunny sacks in Karachi in 1995 had notes attached declaring them to be police informants (ibid.; AP 27 Sept. 1995). On 14 August 1995, 14 people were killed in Karachi (The Herald Aug. 1995a, 27; The New York Times 15 Aug. 1995; The Guardian 15 Aug. 1995). The blindfolded and bullet-riddled bodies of six of the dead were found in the back of a minibus (The New York Times 15 Aug. 1995; JEN 15 Aug. 1995); one body was reportedly stuffed in a sack clutching a note stating "'a gift for Interior Minister Gen. Nasirullah Babar and the fate of an informer'" (AI Feb. 1996, 24; JEN 15 Aug. 1995). The mutilated body of another suspected police informant bearing a note with the message "a gift for Nasrullah Babaar" was found on 27 September 1995 (AP 27 Sept. 1995).
4.2 Violence Against Party Dissidents, Political Opponents and the Press
Sources indicate that members of both MQM factions abducted, tortured and killed members of the rival faction in 1995 (AI Feb. 1996, 26-28; Country Reports 1995 1996, 1337; Asian Survey Nov. 1995, 1003; AFP 21 Mar. 1995). After 30 months of official patronage the MQM(H) was "more or less dumped" when the military withdrew from Karachi on 30 November 1994 (The Herald Mar. 1995a, 31; ibid. Feb. 1995, 17), and the MQM(A) moved quickly to settle accounts and re-establish its authority in areas such as Nazimabad, Korangi, Pak Colony, Malir, Faisal Colony, Landhi and New Karachi (ibid. Jan. 1995b, 50; ibid. Feb. 1995, 17; The Far East and Australasia 1996 1996, 860-61). "What is usually described as
dOn 13 February 1995, five teenage MQM(H) activists were killed and three wounded in a drive-by shooting in front of party offices in Nazimabad (The Herald Mar. 1995b, 31; DPA 14 Feb. 1995; AFP 14 Feb. 1995). Within 24 hours three MQM(A) activists were reportedly killed, as were another two MQM Haqiqis (The Herald Mar. 1995b, 31; AFP 14 Feb. 1995). On 12 March 1995, 12 or 13 MQM(H) activists were killed in Pak Colony, in Karachi's West district (The Herald Mar. 1995a, 27; ibid. Mar. 1995b, 31; AI Feb. 1996, 27; AFP 21 Mar. 1995; AFP 18 Jan. 1996). Six or seven of the activists were killed in a "gunbattle" at an MQM(H) "command centre" (AI Feb. 1996, 27; The Herald Mar. 1995b, 31; The New York Times 13 Mar. 1995), which was subsequently searched and set afire (ibid.), and the remainder were reportedly located and killed after the gunmen conducted a house-to-house search in the area (The Herald Mar. 1995b, 31). MQM(H) offices in Landhi, in East district, were attacked with automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades on 17 January 1996, allegedly by MQM(A) militants (AI Feb. 1996, 27; AFP 18 Jan. 1996). The MQM(H) claims that 95 party workers were killed by MQM(A) militants in 1995 (AI Feb. 1996, 27). The MQM(H) was also responsible for attacks on MQM(A) activists; according to the HRCP, at least seven female MQM(A) workers were raped by MQM(H) activists in 1995 (Country Reports 1995 1996, 1337).
Mohajirs who join political parties other than the MQM have been subjected to violence (UNRISD June 1993, 25; AI Feb. 1996, 25-26), and according to Amnesty International, "seem to be particularly at risk" (ibid., 25). Amnesty International spoke to several mohajir PPP members who claim to have been harassed, threatened, beaten and had property destroyed by MQM activists in 1995 (Feb. 1996, 25-26). Government figures provided to Amnesty International indicate that 10 mohajir PPP members were killed in the four-month period 1 June 1995 to 30 September 1995 in West district alone (ibid., 26). Official statements, media reports and individual reports indicate that at least 32 PPP members were killed in Karachi in 1995 (ibid.).
Reports that the MQM uses torture cells against political opponents and party dissidents have been around for years (Human Rights in Developing Countries Yearbook 1994 1994, 305; AI Dec. 1993, 38-40; ibid. 5 Apr. 1994), and continued in 1995 (ibid. Feb. 1996, 26-27; The Herald July 1995b, 31-32, 35; Reuters 8 Jan. 1995; ibid. 8 June 1995). One alleged MQM-run torture cell was uncovered in a 22 July 1995 police and Rangers operation in Gulbahar, Central district (AI Feb. 1996, 26; The Herald July 1995b, 31; DPA 23 July 1995). Journalists taken to the site hours later reported seeing ropes, electric cables and blood-stained floors; area residents claimed the site had been occupied by militant youths ten days earlier and reported seeing blindfolded people being dragged inside (AI Feb. 1996, 25). Area residents reported the nearby Khajji Grounds, a football field, also had been used by MQM militants to ill-treat prisoners (ibid., 26; The Herald July 1995b, 35; DPA 23 July 1995). On 1 September 1995 Karachi police uncovered another alleged MQM(A)-run torture cell, this time in Korangi (Xinhua 3 Sept. 1995). As in the Gulbahar case journalists were given a tour of the cell, where they saw an axe, knives, a handgun, an iron chain and a rope, as well as the dried blood, clothes and jewellery of victims, some of whom police claimed had been tortured for ransom (ibid.). The cell had reportedly been in operation for six months, and was one of several uncovered in Korangi in the previous few weeks (Xinhua 3 Sept. 1995; Moneyclips 8 July 1995; AFP 6 July 1995).
Reporters, editors and publishers critical of the MQM have been threatened and attacked by MQM activists in recent years (Human Rights in Developing Countries Yearbook 1994 1994, 308; AI Feb. 1996, 22, 25; IPS 17 Mar. 1996). On 4 December 1994 Mohammad Salahuddin, editor of the Urdu weekly, Takbeer, was shot and killed outside his office in Karachi (AI 13 Dec. 1994; AI Jan. 1995, 32; AI Feb. 1996, 25; Asian Survey Feb. 1995, 144; The Herald Dec. 1994b, 38-39). Salahuddin had been highly critical of both the MQM (AI 13 Dec. 1994; AI Jan. 1995, 32; AI Feb. 1996, 25; The Herald Dec. 1994b, 39) and the PPP (ibid.), and in late 1991 had reportedly had his office ransacked and house set on fire by MQM activists (AI 13 Dec. 1994; ibid. Jan. 1995, 32; ibid. Feb. 1996, 25).
4.3 Alleged Violence Against Other Ethnic Groups
Sources indicate that members of certain ethnic groups in Karachi were deliberately targeted and killed in 1995 (ibid., 26; DPA 2 Nov. 1995), but determining responsibility for these killings is often "impossible" (AI Feb. 1996, 26, 28; AFP 21 Mar. 1995). According to Amnesty International, the killings may be intended to "create, maintain or spread a climate of fear" in Karachi (AI Feb. 1996, 23).On 3 August 1995, the day after the killings of Farooq Putney and three other MQM workers in an alleged encounter with police near Karachi's airport (see subsection 4.4), 22 to 27 people were killed in what police described as MQM "revenge killings" (AI Feb. 1996, 24; AFP 4 Aug. 1995; The Herald Aug. 1995a, 27; AP 3 Aug. 1995a; DPA 3 Aug. 1995). Twelve of the dead were found in a minibus in Orangi, where they had been blindfolded, had their wrists tied and been killed with shots to the head and chest (AI Feb. 1996, 24; AFP 4 Aug. 1995; AP 3 Aug. 1995a; DPA 3 Aug. 1995). Police initially said the 12 victims appeared to have been chosen at random (AP 3 Aug. 1995a; ibid. 3 Aug. 1995b; AFP 4 Aug. 1995), but later claimed the dead were Punjabis and Sindhis killed by the MQM on suspicion of being police informants (AI Feb. 1996, 24). The MQM has denied responsibility for the 12 minibus killings, reportedly stating they were "the work of someone bent on fanning ethnic violence in Karachi" (The Herald Aug. 1995a, 28; DPA 3 Aug. 1995).
Another incident reportedly involving the MQM was the 2 November 1995 slaying of 15 Seraiki-speaking labourers from southern Punjab province in a house in Samanabad, Federal B Area (AI Feb. 1996, 26; DPA 2 Nov. 1995). The labourers were blindfolded, lined up against a wall and shot, and a note saying "a gift for Naseerullah Babar" left with the bodies (ibid.). Hundreds of Sindhis reportedly fled Gulbahar in July 1995 after MQM militants took control of the area and began targeting them (AI Feb. 1996, 26). One source indicates that Pathans and Baluchis, fed up with having their property destroyed by MQM gunmen, sometimes abduct, torture and kill mohajirs who stray into their neighbourhoods (The Ottawa Citizen 4 July 1995).
4.4 Abuses Against Ordinary Citizens and Mohajirs
Most political parties and factions in Karachi collect bhatta (protection money) from businessmen, shopkeepers, traders and ordinary citizens (AI Feb. 1996, 22; Freedom Review Mar.-Apr. 1996, 40; The Herald Mar. 1995d, 40a-40c), which they use to arm and maintain their militias (AI Feb. 1996, 22). An "age-old" practice in Karachi and other parts of Pakistan, bhatta collection reportedly became "much more deadly and organized" in the late 1980s and early 1990s when "the MQM and some PPP activists [came to] the forefront of this practice" (The Herald Mar. 1995d, 40b; Human Rights in Developing Countries Yearbook 1994 1994, 303). The practice became especially prevalent in Central and East districts, where it was considered a "routine affair," with party goondas (musclemen) approaching people at their residences (The Herald Mar. 1995d, 40b). Money is extorted at gunpoint or with threats (AI Feb. 1996, 22; The Herald Mar. 1995d, 40b), and those who refuse to pay are beaten and their businesses or property damaged (ibid.). While bhatta is collected by both MQM factions in Karachi (AFP 21 Mar. 1995; The Herald Mar. 1995d, 40a-40c; Country Reports 1995 1996, 1335; HRW 1995, 166), the Haqiqi faction has acquired "notoriety" in the practice (The Herald Mar. 1995d, 40c; HRW 1995, 166; also see subsection 6.1).Sources indicate that MQM activists restricted Karachiites' freedom of movement in 1995 (AFP 4 July 1995; The Herald Nov. 1994a, 62). MQM militants erected barricades, blocked roads with burning vehicles and established checkpoints to prevent security forces personnel and activists of rival factions from entering MQM-controlled areas (AFP 4 July 1995; The Herald Nov. 1994a, 62). Residents reportedly could not pass without being spoken for by another resident (AFP 4 July 1995), and the checkpoints in some areas were impassable at night (ibid.; The Herald Nov. 1994a, 62). Large parts of predominantly mohajir areas such as Orangi township, a "rabbit warren of unplanned lanes and alleys, with only one road running through it" (AFP 18 Feb. 1996), and Korangi township (The Herald Nov. 1994a, 62), were "virtual no-go zone[s] for the rest of the city's residents," and off-limits even to heavily armed convoys of police and Rangers, especially after dark (AFP 18 Feb. 1996; The Herald Nov. 1994a, 62; The Ottawa Citizen 4 July 1995). Parts of Karachi were reportedly "in a state of complete paralysis," with residents unable to return home after sundown because of heavy fighting between the MQM(A) and MQM(H), and between both factions and the police (The Herald Nov. 1994a, 62; AFP 18 Feb. 1996; Reuters 1 Oct. 1995).
The MQM called "at least" 25 strikes in Karachi in 1995 (ibid. 18 Apr. 1996; AFP 21 Jan. 1996; Reuters 4 Jan. 1996; Country Reports 1995 1996, 1336, 1345), and at least seven in the first four months of 1996 (Reuters 18 Apr. 1996), most to protest harassment, arrest, torture and extrajudicial executions of party activists (AFP 21 Jan. 1996; Reuters 7 July 1995; AFP 24 Aug. 1995; Reuters 17 Feb. 1996). Although compliance with MQM-sponsored strikes was ostensibly voluntary (Reuters 3 Sept. 1995), MQM activists enforced them with violence and the threat of violence (Country Reports 1995 1996, 1336, 1345; AFP 10 Sept. 1995; Reuters 14 Mar. 1996), attacking motorists, pedestrians and businesses that tried to remain open (Country Reports 1995 1996, 1345). Fear of MQM-sponsored violence often prevented many Karachiites "from leaving their homes to go to work, schools, and the market" (ibid.; Reuters 4 Jan. 1996).
NOTE
[6] According to Amnesty International, the "confused lines of conflict" enable Karachi's feuding ethnic, political and religious groupings and factions to hold others responsible for abuses (AI Feb. 1996, 28). According to The Herald, the situation in Karachi has "turned everyone ... into hypocrites" and "even premeditated and specifically targetted murders are attributed to 'unidentified gunmen'" (July 1995a, 30). "Most people know who is really responsible for the carnage in Karachi, but ... political expediency or fear prevents them from speaking the truth" (ibid.).
Posted 2 years ago on 22 Mar 2010 23:13 # -
mjkk86
Member@yaha
i am sory but you would do anything to defend mqm, to be very honest with you majority of people on this forum would'nt buy your theory as it fall well beyond the line of objectivity.
i told you in my last post that as a karachite i would'nt base my arguments on asupmtion or imaginination but on facts witnessed by myself.
you would deny that mqm's stance was violent in early 90's, you would deny that one of the founding member of mqm slap army officer during operation, you would deny there were torture cell operating in some areas of karachi i myself witnessed torture cell at lines area and korangi.
you would deny it that mqm was/is involve in bhatta khori especially from restuarant and hotels owned by pathans, you would deny that mqm was/is involve in target killing although everyone knows all parties in karachi involved in target killing but you would deny it just to make your party innocent you would deny that apmso is violent and fear among students in colleges( i was student at dj college and witnessed maself) you would deny that citizens of karachi think of mqm as violent organisation rather a political entity, you would deny that mqm always been and will ways be supporter of establishment, you would deny that altaf husain is a millionaire and owner of several properties in london, you would deny that babar ghori is one of the corupt politician in pakistan's history, you would deny that mqm only care about those who migrated from india, you would deny that mqm supporters teaches us morality but claims fake assylum and benefits in uk.
Best way to go forward is to get out of state of denial, in every socitey minorities play race card, religion card mqm did play that card and worked well for them so far but what about us living in millions since late 19th century? think about it. if, i were you i would have done same but if, morality teaches you to be loyal with your party only then you better stop fooling us under the blanket of ethical values.Posted 2 years ago on 22 Mar 2010 23:15 # -
Billa
Member@khan shaib and @mjk86
well done.
I just like to add iin suuun politician kooo choook prrr lakarr naangaa karain means tells the ppl their actual faces.I hope this will be a healthy discussion.
peace
Posted 2 years ago on 23 Mar 2010 7:38 # -
Is their any CONVICTION of all this crime or this crime sheet is based on just ALLEGATION....
I dont care about what majority wants to say or believe because they would believe on any thing even by some Lall Musaa evening especial(The london post)....If you want to know more about MQM's crime then this news paper would help you people....MQM halmark with Blackwater was an award winning story of that news paper which said "Mustafa Kamal was involved in the killing of late Azeem Ahmad Tariq"
Posted 2 years ago on 23 Mar 2010 9:47 # -
Musician
Member@yahya97
Sorry for butting in but read what you have said:
"I dont care about what majority wants to say or believe because............."
You concede that "majority" wants to say or believe and yet you say that you don't care. I think you should care. Firstly, ask yourself a question, why the majority says this? Secondly, is the majority right? and if in your opinion the majority is wrong then make it your business to persuade and convince the majority that it is wrong in its opinion.
Don't care response is not a responsible one especially if you are a party supporter.
I hope I have not upset you.
Posted 2 years ago on 23 Mar 2010 10:07 # -
@Musician
I dont care what majority thinks because most of them dont even knows the current situation and the ground realities of the political environment where MQM is working....If someone dont know how a software is programed then how would he able to translate the result of that software or simple example is if someone dont know any thing about financial ratios then how would he able to analyze a stock market?so same thing apply here if you dont know the political environment they are working you cant able to understand any thing about MQM....As I believe that most of this fact sheet is based on 90s and as we know operation against MQM was held in 1992 for various reasons like Jinnahpur, kidnapping of Army personnel in Karachi but in the end nothing was proved against them then comes BB's time when she called Naseer Ullah Baber their MQM workers were extra judicially killed and in the end when Farooq Laghari decided to dissolve PPP Govt. he told three reasons mismanagement, extra judicial killing in Karachi and third I dont remember...then came NS when Hakeem Saeed was murdered and MQM was automatically held responsible without investigation or anything done and military courts were setup against them.....Now tell me when a group went through Army operation, extra judicial killing, dividing a faction and armed them against that group and setting up military court by collision partners whom they are sitting with then do you expect that group to remain peaceful after what they been through???
Just check out the difference in Musharraf Govt. where MQM remains mostly peaceful as no such incident recorded except 12may....How come they become largely peaceful then???if they are criminals then how come they avoid doing wrong as much as they can????How come Karachi as a whole remain peaceful in last most of Musharraf's period???The difference is that they were targeted unfairly and then in the end they retaliated but when they were given a fair chance to become peaceful they tried their best not to disturb....
Posted 2 years ago on 23 Mar 2010 10:46 # -
Billa
Member@yahya
what you atking about who doesnot know the ground realiities of karachi.
We live in karachi .born in karachi .raise in karachi .living in karachi .why u need a prooff.
whenever u guys come for a debate talk about "operation"
conspiracy theories what it is.just doesnot want to accept.bahi noone has a problem with MQM.
MQM is a realaty its thr.
no one on this forum deny this or say bad about mohajirs.exept some noone care them.
They are the best as the rest of ppl in my country.
bad is bad doesnot matter where they belongs.ppl has problem with its attitude.
why one support each and every action by his party.understand u said the ground realty in karachi tell me who is taking out MQM haqiqi,sunni tehreek,ppl in karachi.A 10 yr old kid in karachi tell u this.But u donot accept it.
tuu bahii kiyah debate hoo yahan pr.
not many blind supporter for thr parties are here.
trust me no one is against mohajirs here on this forum.at least one or two but no one care their comments.
we karachies being more educated which I beleve we are not anymore due to this exam cheating and rest of the problem have to lead the nation.
yar bahioon main problem hotay haaan. bahii gharrr ko tabhaa nahi kartay.stik together.
I thing I try to clear myself and hope rest of us do the same.
Posted 2 years ago on 23 Mar 2010 14:15 # -
@Billa
by discussing 90s operation, extra judicial killing I am not saying that they were against Muhajir but I am saying that all those things have made MQM violent in 90s just like Baluch people have become in Baluchistan....so every action has a reaction and MQM's violence was a reaction from State violence against them and by declaring them Ghudaar and all that....So that was all what I tried to explain in my last post that if you push someone with such force then would he remain peaceful???On the other hand when Musharraf allowed them to get rid of violence they at least tried dont they???If they were professional criminals then they would have looted Karachi more badly then 90s but instead Karachi remain somewhat peaceful and also developed so they at least gave the signal that if they are given fair chances then they would like to give their positive role....
And about those Target killing then as you mentioned all those groups then just tell me are their any MQM how many MQM Altaf workers have killed so far????Even if they are involve then doesnt it looks like they just want to protect themselves from getting killed and I hope you know MQM haqiqi's history dont you???They have created more problems in past and even last years they were about to create a bigger problem by killing JSQM leader Bashir Quraishi which was failed if that attempt would have been successful this could have sparked Sindhi Muhajir problems once again as their were in past and whole Sindh would witness a bloodbath of Sindhis and Muhajirs....So this is another side of picture that everyone just simply ignore due to hatred of MQM....
Posted 2 years ago on 23 Mar 2010 14:42 # -
The charge sheet is no more than a UN resolution against Israel or an Arab League powwow.
At the end of the day, the ground reality remains the same.
Posted 2 years ago on 23 Mar 2010 14:43 # -
Billa
Member@yahya group
no its not
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this is another side of picture that everyone just simply ignore due to hatred of MQM....
"appp nay never accept anything on this forum bahi.
what it is we all seeing this why donot You.again no one is here against Mohajirs here if is on this forum I reply him back first trust me.
Posted 2 years ago on 23 Mar 2010 19:25 # -
tamaazkhan
MemberI do not think that Karachiites are unaware of what happened the 90's. We are also not unaware of the militancy of the MQM during that time.
This is a time when political repression was wrought on the city from all sides. The major oppression was the gross human rights violation carried out by the state apparatus.Why did the operation fail in urban sindh in the 90's if all of Karachi hate the MQM? There was massive support in the urdu speaking areas of the area for the MQM. Those who were apolitical, or were Urdu speaking and not necessarily voters/supporters of the MQM actually became supporters during the operation.
Why, because an armed operation was carried out targeting an entire ethnic/linguistic group in Karachi. Urdu speaking people looked the other way during MQM's militancy, because the entire country looked away during the governments terrorism in the city.
Posted 2 years ago on 23 Mar 2010 21:39 # -
tamaazkhan
MemberKhan Sahib,
Thanks for posting that piece, it proves the point that Karachi was violent place in the 90's, state terror and militancy amongst all parties made it the bloodiest decade in Karachi's history. All sides were involved in political murder, retaliation and bhatta collection. (even though you attempt to only highlight the incidences which allegedly implicate MQM as the aggressor, without any mention of the incidents where other parties and the government were the aggressors)
First thing you will notice is the culpability of all parties:
"Sources indicate that many political parties and groups in Karachi maintain armed militias and that "none of the militias reportedly hesitate to commit human rights abuses" to further political or criminal objectives."Secondly, on retaliation to state terror:
"Sources indicate that many of these were retaliatory or revenge killings "Each time an MQM activist was killed the death of a law enforcement official invariably followed, after which more MQM men were gunned down. That these were vendetta killings is certain."
-This is consistent with what most people in Karachi do believe. There was a state terror wrought on URDU speaking people in the city and the MQM retaliated. The Urdu speaking public, like I mentioned looked away and STILL DO. Who else stood up for the people of Karachi during the operation?Retalition in Karachi went both ways:
"One source indicates that Pathans and Baluchis, fed up with having their property destroyed by MQM gunmen, sometimes abduct, torture and kill mohajirs who stray into their neighbourhoods"On Bhatta:
Most political parties and factions in Karachi collect bhatta (protection money) from businessmen, shopkeepers, traders and ordinary citizens.Lastly your own note exclaims that:
According to Amnesty International, the "confused lines of conflict" enable Karachi's feuding ethnic, political and religious groupings and factions to hold others responsible for abuses.The important words in your charge sheet are "sources" and "allegedly" which indicative that these are speculations rather than hard proof.
Maybe to prove your objectivity you might have done well to list an alleged "charge sheet" of the government, PPP, SSP and other parties in Karachi during that time.
Posted 2 years ago on 23 Mar 2010 21:58 # -
Yahaya...
Even Mussharaf's Interview is on the record where he accepted MQM as involved in Hakeem Saeed's Murder! So the person who supported you and let you flourish is lying?
You are saying that "Nothing was proved against MQM" So tell me since 1947, what has been proved against any politician? So does that make them innocent and angel? Nothing has been proved against Jaam Saadiq or Zardari who was in prison for 10 years for corruption? Does that means that we all are WRONG and LYING? Does that make him angel or innocent?
You think that this ONE year of Crime sheet is based in some fake claim like most of your fake claims and lies????
Here you go.... We Pakistanis are liars for MQM but this report was from : Immigration and refugee board of Canada (based on Amnesty International's report) .... Now claim that even Amnesty International are also a bunch of liars..... Well Done!
http://www2.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/research/ndp/ref/index_e.htm
http://www2.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/research/ndp/ref/index_e.htm?docid=150&cid=0&sec=CH04#b6
You can't even possibly reply to this 1 Year of crimes, let alone years of violence and Bhattagirri... I can even give u "Specific" names of People, their current residing country and the cases they are involved in!!!! But do u really care??? Just to change the flavor... I will give you 1 example...
Dr Bhatti (Graduate of SMC, Karachi... Not sure about his batch but I think its the batch which passed out in 1996/97) wanted for Murder of 2 Doctor's in JINNAH Hospital Karachi (for stopping him from eating the lunch which was provided for a regional conference Participants in Nephrology ward. He was not even working in that department and as far as I know, he was at that time a medical student and not even a doctor and was not even attached to that department in any capacity) This Guy works as "Chai Wala" in MQM's office in London, edgware road and is currently been paid by MQM for his work.
A killer of 2 Doctor's??????? Their Crime???? They stopped an MQM Goon from eating sandwiches for which other people have paid for???This is just a small example: I received this list from an Ex APMSO activist who is hiding in UK and who has the list of at least over 90 people who are actively working for MQM in UK, USA, Canada and in Pakistan. Each of them are wanted for Murder, attempted Murder, ransom, dacoity and land grabbing cases. These lists were forwarded to people in Police, Anti-corruption and FIA but he was told that they can't do any thing at the moment as MQM is in power.
ANyways, People like Yahaya and Co... You may not care! lakin woh kehtain hain na! .. Zabaan e Khalqat ko Naqarra e Khudda Samjo! (urdu hay! Mushkil say samjh ayee ghee!)
Posted 2 years ago on 23 Mar 2010 23:39 # -
awaisis
Member@ Yahya & others,
We can talk lot about 90s and later etc, but can you please answer at least what we witness in last few years.In 2006 - Why Iltaf Hussain term Division a greatest blunder?
in 2007 - Why MQM paralyzed the entire city, and killed number of people.
In 2008 - Why MQM started a propaganda to divide sindhies and pujabies on 14th March.
At least above, we can witness, and would like to have your justification. Rgrds
Posted 2 years ago on 24 Mar 2010 6:57 # -
Qasim ali
Member@Yahya group.-MQM MUSTAQUIL QOUMI MUSIBAT, and its crime list.
1-12 May 2007,27the Dec,2007,3-19th April,2008,and 4-28th Dec,2009,firing,lotting and inflaming karachi.Read here is detail proofs.
MQM **** GROUP = Blackwater/Xe
MQM and Blackwater/Xe are US sponsored mafia style mercenary outfits due to their management structure as it is almost the same both groups’ chiefs are out of Pakistan to start with.Look What Karachi Youth Did
“There is no difference between Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and MQM because both are sponsored by India and USA. Sawat type operation against MQM’s ‘Clean Shaven Taliban’ who are supporting Blackwater/Xe is a must because people will support. President Zardari, the ‘Putin of Pakistan’ can he do anything of for Karachi or he has become a cuddly toy now?”
The recent bombings of a religious procession in Karachi and fire bombings of small businesses miles away from the incident reportedly owned by mostly Sunni Tableghie Jamat a non violent religious group, got all the hall marks of ‘private mercenaries’ Blackwater with the support of MQM. According to reports it is physically not possible for any one attending the procession to go miles away, get special fire bombing chemicals and equipment to set fire 300 hundred shops in Bolton Market. It is only possible if one already knows the timing of the bombings and part of the plot. They targeted a Sunni areas where it is almost impossible for an angry ‘Shia protestor’ to reach from the crime scene keeping in the view the distances. So Shia procession was bombed, Sunni business were burnt down and MQM’s fire engines did not arrive. Seems perfect Blackwater Inc style operation?
Blackwater, MQM’s Plus plan was meticulous and well timed. (a) Timing of the bombing few days before the end of the term of City Government Term. So City Government building burnt down with the record to cover-up corruption? (b) Selection of the venues to be fire bombed (c) Torching of Light House Market predominantly owned by the Pashtuns who did not pay extortion money to the MQM – Score settled, Job done (d) Torching of Bolton Market mostly business are owned by peaceful Sunni Muslims Memon Community. They refused to be relocated outside the city because shops worth millions. High ups of the current regime allegedly President Zardari & Co had interest in the land to develop and build flats and plazas. (Job done) (e) Why MQM leaders both reportedly Shias Haider Abbas Rizvi and Faisal Sabzwari not in the Ashura procession? (f) Why police and rangers did not stop the arsonists and terrorists? (g) Who ordered them not to act? (h) Remote control bomb was planted in an ambulance which might be carrying a head too? (i) Who is Hasham Al-Zafar (central) and what is his role in the bombing and burning of Karachi? (j) What is his relationship with Saleem Shezad alleged master mind of the operation and why he only reports to Altaf Hussain?
MQM and Blackwater/Xe are US sponsored mafia style mercenary outfits due to their management structure as it is almost the same both groups’ chiefs are out of Pakistan to start with. MQM are the local collaborators of Blackwater/Xe in Pakistan?
According to sources similar kinds of chemicals and fire bombing equipments have been used in Iraq and Lebanon. Pakistan’s security agencies must look into the links between MQM lead City Government and Blackwater. What kind of assistance they are providing to the mercenaries. City mayor Syed Mustafa Kamal and Governor Sind Dr Ashrat Abad Khan recently visited sensitive institutions of the USA related to protection of US national interests aboard. Why would a mayor of a third world country visit US State Department? Did he inform Pakistani’s foreign ministry? He is on the grooming list. “To his credentials it was Mustafa Kamal who opened the door for the assassins came to kill his ‘uncle’ Azeem Ahmed Tariq, leader of the MQM, as it was an inside job. It sounds like nephew shopped his ‘uncle’ according to a source.
Altaf Hussain’s MQM and his mafia have caused more economic and human losses to Pakistan by strikes and terrorist activities then three wars with India. After the incident on Monday December 28, 2009, three thousand shops were burnt; one thousand were burnt after looting which caused loss of Rs. 60 billion to Pakistani economy. Armed men stopped fire engines for over three hours according to reports. Why?
Elements close to MQM were also allegedly involved in the terrorism, arson, and killings after tragic death of Benazir Bhutto on 27th December 2007. Many analysts believe that it was a dry run by the foreign sponsored elements to separate Karachi from the rest of the country. There is another dimension to the burring of some markets with small business. Some people from land mafia were making hostile offers to these old pre partition businesses.
There are reports that MQM has issued thousands of arms licences to its workers and sympathisers in Karachi and some of the licences might have been issued from other provinces. Disarming of the terrorist groups including MQM in Karachi is necessary to avoid future blackmails.
It is also reported that armed gunmen did not allow fire engines to leave the fire stations. All the fire engines and security cameras are under the control of City Government run by MQM whose leader Altaf Hussain controls this group in a mafia style. Within minutes he blamed ‘Taliban’ for the bombings. How did he know it was Taliban and not Indian RAW or Blackwater/Xe? Altaf Hussain deliberately tried to make this a sectarian issue in his live TV broadcast on a news channel, which matches the agenda of private mercenaries and India.
Asia Times Online reported few years ago during Musharraf era, sources says that, “only US diplomatic intervention stopped General Musharraf from taking strong action against the MQM after he received the report on the recent unrest in which the MQM was implicated. Washington indeed has a powerful southern ally in Pakistan’. After September 11, the United States identified even more with the MQM as it was the only party in Pakistan that widely mourned the attacks on the US, openly condemned the Taliban and al-Qaeda, and launched a powerful campaign in support of the US attack on Afghanistan”.
When President Zardari speak about ‘non state & political actors’, probably he also meant Altaf Hussain too? His long distance proactive and dramatic telephonic speeches are more or less what Lord Nelson said, “If you can’t baffle them with brilliance, dazzle them with bull****!”. He is never been to Pakistan for more then 15 years but did travel to India on his British passport. Most of the members in mafia style ‘Rabita Committee’ are wanted by Pakistani authorities for heinous crimes. He hides behind this ‘kangaroo committee’.
A political analyst said, ‘to get ‘poodle status’ in US administration Altaf Hussain exaggerates things beyond imagination. For example, he claimed his supporters in Karachi increased by 10 million in just two years because he claimed to have 20 million supporters in an interview with Edgware Times in November 1998. But in 2001 MQM claimed to have 30 million supporters when MQM send a fax to Reuters on 22 September 2001. “ (MQM leader) Altaf Hussain has offered the unconditional support of over 30 million MQM supporters to the U.S. president and the international community,” its London-based international secretariat said in a statement faxed to Reuters on September 22, 2001”.
According to sources, ‘Altaf group is planning and preparing for armed fight with other groups in Karachi. There might be a plan to divide Karachi on ethnic zones as Rehman Malik mentioned in Dera Ismail Khan? The alleged transfer of money from Karachi to London, Germany, Dubai, South Africa, Canada, and United States is alarming. There reports of increase in the arms sale in Karachi seem serious but what are the authorities doing?
So what is Altaf Hussain up to that is a crucial question to political and security leadership to think about. His alleged close links with the Indian agency and also acting like a mercenary force getting orders from foreign masters. It is time for the government of Pakistan to approach its friends and allies to have a clear cut answers about the real Agenda in Pakistan? Crimes of Altaf Hussain and his party MQM are so heinous that he wouldn’t dare step in Karachi even the whole period of Musharraf and now Zardari rule?
Until November 1998 Government of Pakistan was reportedly seeking extradition of Altaf Hussain who was said to be wanted in 50 murders and 150 cases of kidnapping and arson. He said in an interview with a newspaper in 1998, “It is my wish that they take me to trial in a British court then I will tell people nationally and internationally what has been happening in Pakistan.” It was Altaf Hussain and MQM who issued a memo to his workers saying,” if there was war between India and Pakistan, MQM workers will be remain neutral”. Why?
MQM’s deputy chief organiser of district Thatta and his wife were arrested by the police for trafficking 120 kilos of A class drugs according to a press report on 16th May 2004. Mohamed Ibrahim and his wife Ayesha Soho who is also member of district government were coming from Bolan area of Baluchistan on Jeep number BC 1248 when they were stopped by Dadar Police who discovered 180 kilos of HASH worth millions of from the secret compartments of the jeep. Police has registered a case number 13/2004 report against deputy chief of MQM and his wife for drug trafficking. Area in charge SHO of the area Police confirmed that suspects have confessed they have been also involved in arms trafficking from Kabul and been to Afghanistan three times. Both were sent to Sibi Jail in Baluchistan.
“MQM has been funded with the drug money apart from the extortion money taken from the top businessmen in the name of support” according to a report published by The Frontier Post on December 25, 1998. The report says, “… What is more alarming is that the Narco dollars have been used for funding the (MQM), A responsible source in the provincial government said. He added that such funding was tantamount to fuelling terrorism.” Is the Narco-terror funding still on?
By joining as local collaborator of Blackwater in Karachi MQM has provided the eyes and ears on the ground with smart guns. Even if US-India sponsored ‘Pakistani Taliban’ claim responsibility of Karachi Ashura bombings, the chemicals and smart guns used in burnings of the over 6000 small businesses and loss of Rs. 60 billion have all the hallmarks of Blackwater/Xe.
“There is no difference between Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and MQM because both are sponsored by India and USA. Sawat type operation against MQM’s ‘Clean Shaven Taliban’ who are supporting Blackwater/Xe is a must because people will support. President Zardari, the ‘Putin of Pakistan’ can he do anything of for Karachi or he has become a cuddly toy now?”
(Dr Shahid Qureshi is award winning journalist and writer on foreign policy & security based in London)Posted 2 years ago on 24 Mar 2010 18:42 # -
@Billa
Just read my post once again I am accepting MQM was violent in 90s and it was simply due to State sponsored operation, extra judicial killing, Dividing them and then armed that group to kill each and every one of them, setting up military courts to punish them unconstitutionally....If someone is pushed that badly to the wall then how could we expect them to be innocent for longer???In the end they had to become criminals to survive in this world because their right to live had been taken away by Govt. and as a result they went to that path just to save their lives but when they joined Musharraf and they were given chance then they instead of destroying this city further they develop this city and they also tried to become peaceful because they were not professional criminals it was circumstances that made them criminals and when things went in their favor they try to change themselves at least....So this is my point if you want to deny it then its up to you deny it as this has been no secret to any sane karachiite who saw Army action against them in the streets of Karachi....
@KHAN_Sahib
You claimed Musharraf admit Hakeem Saeed killing then would you like to provide any reference to that to at least verify that claim as I dont have any idea about it....You said that since 1947 no one has ever found guilty in Pakistan but here their were more then 60 cases made against 1 of their member when he refuse to join MQM-H but in the end only 5 cases were left which were reopened after NRO so they have proved themselves innocent in many occasion....
Posted 2 years ago on 24 Mar 2010 19:33 # -
How about a list of state sponsored crimes instituted by democratically elected political governments which opted to shoot the culprits on the spot rather then arresting and trying them in the court of law and by army which gave a color to their escapade directed toward dacoits. How about those people who were arrested or abducted by the Pakistani authorities, taken to undisclosed locations and whose families still do not know whether those MQM supporters are alive or dead.
BB, Nawaz Sharif, Army and Jehadis all reap[ed] what they sowed. Pakistan's chickens of the 80's and 90's have come to roost now.
Posted 2 years ago on 24 Mar 2010 20:48 # -
@awaisis
Sir I am not his advocate on everything he said but here is a link that might be the reason for Altaf Hussain calling partition a blunder....
http://pakistandesk.com/?p=1484
In 2007 you might be talking about 12may as it is claim it was JUST MQM but actually PPP, ANP were also involved and if you know the locations where most incident took place then those areas doesnt make sense as they were no way be a route of CJ to reach Sindh High court except Sharah-e-Faisal where PPP workers were firing from Baluch calony bridge not MQM as that area has got strength of PPP and MQM is weak in that area....
28March 2008 dividing Sindhis and Punjabis???I dont remeber that would you like to clarify plz...
All those incident you are talking about is taken one sided while ignoring the other side so first try to understand the full picture which is ground reality of Karachi which would help you to actually understand those incidents....
@KHAN_Sahib
You are talking about Amnesty international then they also have reports condemning punishment in Sharia law would you accept that???they have got reports against Pakistan in women violence and also our tribal and rural jirga system would you accept that they have also wrote against Religious freedom in Pakistan...
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/52/014.html
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,AMNESTY,,PAK,,3ae6aa118,0.html
Now deny this as well...As they are also about Pakistan and they are also from Amnesty International...
MQM might have a bloody past but their present is not the same and they are trying that their present should be safe as well but people living in past cant realize that...
Posted 2 years ago on 24 Mar 2010 23:23 # -
expakistani
Member@All Anti MQM elements on this boards
knock on Pakistani born again "free" judiciary or get help with British courts... prove MQM terrorist else
get psychiatric help 4 urself....Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 2:40 # -
awaisis
Member@ Yahya,
Any body living in KH knew what going to happen on 12th May, as MQM were making claims CJ cant enter Karachi without thier permission. 11th May was witness to every body the way MQM moved its machinery .The other point is 14th March, when MQM made a propaganda to malign the movement, and labelled Punjabi raising slogans against Sindh Dharte?
Brother, Its not being anti MQM, but If MQM today dont admit its own mistakes, and start accountability. How we can ensure accountability for others as well and peace in Karachi.
Rgrds,
Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 14:11 # -
@awaisis
Well as I said in my previous post I am not MQM representative here I am just a supporters and I dont know each and every thing done by MQM about 14March their was a massive long march in Lahore and MQM was not involved in stopping it or resisting it yes but they were partners of those who were stopping them and as far as I remember it was mulvi diesel was the one who declare this movement a Punjab movement not MQM....I can tell you about many of those areas but how much do you about Karachi and specifically those areas where all firings were recorded that day????
Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 20:52 # -
jaypk
Memberyahya.....mqm does have a violent past...we all know this..and i guess it would be good fr you tht you shud admit it.....but thn..who is nt violent...chuadhrees..balochs..sindhees..but yes..the stamp of terrorism and bhai log and bhatta mafia is more on mqm...but thr must be a reason fr all tht..i m nt justifyin it...but i totally admit tht they are a violent party..however,,,whdeva they have done fr karachi...if anyone else who is yellin up in this thread abt them...none of thr beloved party has done..even ppl like nawaz sharef has only maintained and developed rai wind side...but look at karachi now...its all because of mqm...!!
Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 21:59 # -
@jaypk
I have already admit that in this and other threads as well but their was a reasons behind MQM being violent and that were operation, extra judicial killing, division of group and armed them against MQM, setting up military courts to punish them unconstitutionally so after going through all this they become violent but when they were given chance to play their part for Karachi they also proved themselves just imagine if they were professional criminals what could have they done to Karachi during Musharraf's period but instead they tried to remain peaceful as much as they can....If people think that all those things against MQM in 90s were correct then just ask Karachiite about their views regarding Nawaz Sharif you will get your answer...
Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 23:15 # -
jaypk
Member@yahya...i do agree..!
Posted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 23:53 # -
Qasim ali
Member@yahya and co.Read this .-Killing orders from London
London based MQM’s Terrorist Sultan Kappal admitted killing 19 peopleBy Special Correspondent
London: The recent arrest of MQM-Altaf's terrorist Sultan Kappal who was involved in the targeted killings by the Paramilitary forces / Rangers in Karachi seems a clear shift in the policy. He admitted to have been involved in the targeted killings of 19 rival members of the Mohajir Qomi Movement following the orders coming from Altaf Hussain’s International Secretariat situated in Edgware - London.
Sultan Kappal admitted during the investigations that orders of murders and targeted killings comes from London and he was following the orders. He provided important information about 8 terrorists involved in targeted killings from Korangi and Landhi sectors.
During the initial investigations, Sultan Kappal admitted to have killed 19 rivals of MQM-Haqiqi including Ehsan Aziz, Amir Pandat and Tahir Mirza. Mr Kappal also admitted to be a member of Korangi and Landhi death squads which included Sajjad Shattaer, Nasir Baktho, Kamran Madhuri, Kamran KK, Kashif Siddiqui, Manzoor Lamba, Khalid and Ijaz Papri. These people were involved in killings and murdering of innocent people in Karachi with orders from Altaf Hussain and MQM-A leadership based in London.
Sultan Kappal disclosed the Paramilitary forces investigators that large numbers of arms and heavy weapons are kept in the Landhi sector, which were provided by the (MQM) ‘Arms Committee’.
Sultan Kappal told the investigators that, ‘one week ago he received orders from London to ‘clear up the Landhi and Korangi area’ from the members and sympathisers of the rivals MQM-Haqaqi. Therefore our teams were looking for MQM-Haqaqi group members.
Sultan Kappal disclosed during the investigations that, “Haji Jalal senior member of MQM Altaf group was murdered by the orders of (Altaf Hussain) London.” It was an inside job. Sultan said he knows which group carried out the killings of four people. He said, ‘Kahlid and Ejaz of Al-Falah sector and Kashif and Manzoor from Landhi Sectors. Mr Kappal told that, ‘he was getting arms from ‘MQM arms committee’ which they were returning back after the offence/job is done’.
Sultan Kappal was handed over to the police after the investigations by the security forces and Rangers.
Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 10:45 # -
RajputPuttar
MemberQasim ali
According to law , no statement given in the custody of police/law enforcement agencies holds good . Its all ****.
IF u know , NS amended this law in 1997 under the anti terrorism act 1997 so that staement of accused given in front of police officer be equal to statement given in front of judicial magisterate. SC of pakistan held this clause along with certain other clauses of the ACT ultra vire in Mehram Ali case of 1998 .
Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 11:18 # -
Qasim ali
Member@Rajpuputter.- Why MQM and its gang mafia leader altaf has not refuted or rejected the news appear in well knowns news paper of London.
Posted 2 years ago on 29 Mar 2010 18:59 # -
tamaazkhan
MemberQasim Ali,
By now everyone knows that the London Post is run out of Lahore, the ISP is brainnet.pk.
So, why are you pretending that it is a "well knowns news paper of London"?
What is the circulation, if any, of the London Post? It only exists on the internet!
Posted 2 years ago on 29 Mar 2010 19:51 # -
Some people do not stand for principles but for whatever fits their cause. So if Israel were to blame Altaf Hussain/MQM they would find that to be credible also.
Posted 2 years ago on 29 Mar 2010 20:06 # -
@Qasim ali
Because the news actually came from londonpost which is operated to decieve simple Pakistani people like you by JI and PTI while no such news paper like this even exist in London and even this site who claim londonpost is running from Lahore so no need for clarification to fools who believe their stories and easily deceived by all that...
Posted 2 years ago on 30 Mar 2010 1:22 # -
MQM crime sheet is too long .
Major Kaleem to Hakim Saeed Shaheed to hundreds of thousands of Karachties killed by MQM .no2. they have created a rift amongst Karachi 's peace loving urdu speaking community and innocent Balochis and Pathans who are here in Karachi for there rozgar.
no3.they have spoiled the image of urdu speaking community most educated and sophisticated white collar based community now represents by a ghunda badmash qatil bhatta party .
no4.they have started the tradition of shutting down the whole Karachi ,the nerve center of Pakistan and other parties are following them ,hence causing a huge financial damage to the country ,which reflects in the masse's budget constraints at the end .
no5. they have make fool out of innocent followers ,by using their emotional link with India and hence working for Indian agenda .
no6.Altaf has clearly told the indian media that Pakistan was a non sense .
no7.MQM has been making fool ppl by claiming their Ghunda leader as a Peer sahib and having his images on Money Plant .
no8.MQM was keep saying against feudalism but is a part of feudal lord's Govt every time .
no9.MQM is a failed party .which has failed to full fill a single promise to the voters ,despite of being in power for the past 25 years .
no10. MQM has been working very closely with Amerika and his so called hard worker Mayor has sell out Karachi to USA on a cheaper price .
Sir Sir ,
please give me extra sheet ..........................:):):)Posted 2 years ago on 30 Mar 2010 10:31 # -
Calling other's comments as BS without any rational/related response is not decent at all. Such trash has been removed.
Posted 2 years ago on 30 Mar 2010 18:54 # -
max786
MemberI agree with choosy 100%.
Posted 2 years ago on 30 Mar 2010 21:15 # -
tamaazkhan
Member@semirza
Okay, what about unsubtantiated allegation are they allowed to be posted?Is it not proper form, that when allegations are being made, that proof also be offered.
Look at this max786, he "agrees". With what bhai? Allegations? The poster has the number 786, but forgets that muslims are not allowed to make accusations without providing proof.
There seem to be a lack of consistancy with what is and is not permissable on this forum.
It took you eons to dicipline a certain member's abuse of others faith, but it took you 30 mins to delete my post.Posted 2 years ago on 30 Mar 2010 21:54 # -
@choosy
MQM is already proved innocent in Major Kaleem case and about Hakeem saeed case their was an accusation not conviction so they are just accused of that they are not convicted on that case...
No2. MQM came after the rift already been created by PPP and it is ANP who are creating rift not MQM because even MQM also got many Punjabi speaking, Sindhi, Kashmiri and Gilgity members in Karachi as well and one of MPA of MQM is Baloch from Liyari...
No3. They didnt spoiled the image of urdu speaking as they have introduced competent people in Govt. like MK, Hyder Abbas Rizvi from common people or from middle class who have proved themselves equivalent to Privilege class of other ethnic groups in Pakistan...
No4. Karachi was shut down even before MQM even exist and it was all started by Jamatees who use to protest against Bhutto's second tenure in Karachi and use to shutdown whole Karachi even then...MQM adopted all this from Jamatees because authorities were not listening to them and they had no other choice to get justice from Govt.
no6. Read that in order to understand the context of his words..and then tell me what is wrong in this link...
http://pakistandesk.com/?p=1484
No7. It was not MQM who declared him Peer but it was MQM haters who start calling him Peer in lame attempt to include him in Feudal...
No8. against Taliban and for liberal mindset which they have is the reason to join Feudal..and they are also trying to eliminate feudalism by votes not by doing Jihad or by fight...
No9. MQM fulfilled promise of developing Karachi, MQM fulfilled promise of getting rid of Taliban, MQM also fulfilled promise of bringing middle class to the parliament, MQM also fulfilled the promise of not bringing people inherited in MQM...
No10. MK has also worked with China in It tower Karachi and also for handling trash in Karachi(under negotiation) and also for Bus stops, MK has also worked Dubai for investment, MK also work with Sweden to bring CNG buses in Karachi(few are already in service) and he have also worked with many different cities as well...Before his tenure only Shanghai was sister of Karachi but today their are 14 sister cities of Karachi among them Hong Kong, Jeddah, Kaula Lumpur and many others cities as well so did he sale Karachi to whole world too???
and if you MQM haters want to add more MQM crime sheet then visite the london post website where you will get more info about MQM...
Posted 2 years ago on 30 Mar 2010 22:11 # -
@Yahya bhai ,
good try ,good try .
magar meray achay bhai ...
aap defend kar rahay ho mulk ki ghunda party ko .
so your arguments are shallow and weightless .Peer sahib Altaf ko khud Imran Farooq and Farooq Sattar ne kehna shuru kiya tha janab...
jiss din se unki pictures Money Plant pe ayein thein.as long as Hakeem Saeed murder is concerned .your very own dictator Mush has admitted in his interview with Talat Hussain live ;that MQM was involved in Hakeem Saeed case ;he(MUshy) told Nawaz;who was then PM and was reluctant to do anything against MQM ;just coz MQM was the partner of PMLN at that point .
chaho tou Talat Hussain ki episode sun lo .Posted 2 years ago on 31 Mar 2010 5:34 # -
@choosy
Ghadar in what sense????Ghunda is the dark past of MQM I agree...If my arguments are weightless then bring your arguments against it to prove your point....
Jahan tak meri info. hai Peer Sahab MQM ko un k haters nay kehna shuroo kia aur gar aisa hai k Imran Farooq aur Farooq Sattar nay kehna shuroo kia tu mai is baray mai nahi janta kyun k ajj tak un k moo say mainay nahi suna k unhonay kabhi Altaf Hussain ko Peer Sahab kaha ho han yeh loog Quaid-e-Tehrik zaroor kehtay hain....
Mush ka Hakeem Saeed ki investigation say kia relation tha us time???app bata saktay ho aisa tu Hameed Mir nay bhi kisi program mai kaha tha k Mush nay NS ki Govt. mai jab woh Army cheif tha tu kaha tha k "mera bus chalay tu mai Altaf Hussain ko goli mardon" tu yeh baat tu samajhnay wali hai k Mush NS ki Govt. mai Anti-MQM tha 90s mai....agar Mush nay yeh baat khud kahi hai tu yeh baat tu kafi hai MQM ko Hakeem Saeed ka murderer sabit karnay k liye tu yeh batao k aj tak Conviction kyun nahi hoi MQM ki is case mai?????Aur Talat Hussain ki konsi episode ki baat kar rahay ho app thora specifically batao
Posted 2 years ago on 31 Mar 2010 8:32 # -
@Yahya bhai ,
thanks for accepting that MQM is a ghunda jamaat .
u said it was a past .
can u mention for my convieniance that from which date to which they were ghunda and from so and so date they became Parsa ???no2.unko sarai MQM ki leadership Peer sahib kahtai hay .
Baber Ghurai ,Farooq Sattar aur Hiader Abas.no3. Mush ne Talak ko aik hi interview diya tha .
kiokay wohh Talak Hussain se darta tha .
Posted 2 years ago on 31 Mar 2010 9:49 # -
Believe that as well....same person is speaking who accused MQM of Hakeem Saeed Murder...watch that video once again what he said about "Politicized Judiciary" as if you believe on his words so much....
About Altaf Hussain being Peer Sahab I never heard MQM leader calling Altaf Peer Sahab but they do call him "quaid-e-Tehrik" if their is any occasion where they actually call him Peer then why dont you share with me.....
In your video what even Mush said was true as judiciary couldnt able to bring more then 30000-40000 people for support and this firing was done to create a situation to prevent a expected flop rally that day....
Posted 2 years ago on 31 Mar 2010 10:47 # -
he he he
Mush is the most biggest liar of the country .
i was just refering him coz MQM worships this dictator .
and acccepts him his mentor .Posted 2 years ago on 31 Mar 2010 10:53 # -
کِتنا بد نصیب ہے الطاف دفن کے لئے
دوگز جگہ بی نا ملی کوئے یار میں
نفسیاتی مریضPosted 2 years ago on 31 Mar 2010 11:08 # -
@choosy
[Quote]:as long as Hakeem Saeed murder is concerned .your very own dictator Mush has admitted in his interview with Talat Hussain live ;that MQM was involved in Hakeem Saeed case ;he(MUshy) told Nawaz;who was then PM and was reluctant to do anything against MQM ;just coz MQM was the partner of PMLN at that point .
chaho tou Talat Hussain ki episode sun lo .:[Unquote]wasnt you who said that....now you are saying Mush is a is "a biggest Liar"....hahahahahahahaha....lolx
Posted 2 years ago on 31 Mar 2010 11:23 # -
he he he
yahi tou mein kehna chah raha tha kay MQM Mush ko issi liye worship karti hay kionkay Mush unki tarhah jhoota tha.
magar Mush jaisse Dost ka haal dekho kay wohh khud MQM ko ilzam deta chal diya .Posted 2 years ago on 31 Mar 2010 12:01 # -
@choosy
App nay abhi tak bataya nahi Mushrraf nai kab MQM pay ILZAM lagaya Hakeem Saeed ka????aur agar lagaya tu Musharraf tu b0ohat barha jhoota hai app k baqool tu woh baat kaisay sachi ho sakti hai???
Posted 2 years ago on 31 Mar 2010 12:05 # -
Mush ne sach aik baar bola tha .
maagar MQM ki ghunda gardi you tube pe bhi ja phunchi hay.
wahan se meray links ghayab hain .:(:(:(Posted 2 years ago on 31 Mar 2010 12:22 # -
Another Feather in MQM's Crown....
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4929754/MQM-VS-Government-reply-by-Government
Posted 1 year ago on 01 Aug 2010 13:04 # -
I find this DISGUSTING and the most STUPID statement by any HUMAN being: (Perhaps the only one in the whole world politics: Read it yourself...
The senior members of MQM, belonging to its die-hard core, some of whom have also acted as provincial ministers, a mayor and a speaker of Sindh Assembly, have in a press conference reported in the magazine “Takbeer” of 8th August, 1991 publicly declared as under:
(a) Mr. Khalid Younus MNA said: “We know that some people are protecting our traitors. We ask them to remove their hands of protection; otherwise we will show them what we are. “
(b) The then Provincial Minister of Sindh Mr. Syed Sohail Mashhadi said: “We will enter the houses of traitors, fastening bombs on our chests. We will die, but we will also kill them. “
(c) Mr. Farooq Sattar, the then Mayor of Karachi Metropolitan Corporation and the present leader of the Opposition in the Sindh Assembly and others expressed their confidence in the leadership of Mr. Altaf Hussain as under: -
“If I betray the movement of my Supreme Leader, it will be as if I would be denying my parentage. “ Farooq Sattar.
(d) Mr. Wassem Ahmed, the then Minister said: “It would be as if my blood would be impure”.
(e) Mr. Abid Sharif said: “It would be as if I would commit incest with my mother”.
(f)Mr. Irfan Khan said: “It would be as if I would be denying my parentage”.
(g) Mr. Rafiq Issani the then MPA of Sindh Assembly said: “It would be as if my mother did not give me birth.”
(h) Mr. Qamar Naveed the then MPA of Sindh Assembly said: “We consider our Supreme leader and Movement as our mother and our father”.
(i)Mr. Shoaib the present MPA of Sindh Assembly said: “Excepting the Supreme Leader of our Movement, we do not know any other icon or god”.
(j) The Statement released on behalf of the then Speaker of Sindh Assembly was as under:- “I Abdul Razik Khan, the Speaker of Sindh Assembly, being in full senses and without any coercion or compulsion, reiterate that I have unshakable faith in the dynamic leadership of Mr. Altaf Hussain, the Supreme Leader of our Movement. In case I betray Mr. Altaf Hussain, I will not be the legitimate offspring of my father and I may not come to my end with faith intact.”
(k) Finally, Mr. Farooq Sattar said: “Thus we renew our pledge by pronouncing it in Lahore.”
(ix) If someone decides to quit the MQM or dissents from Mr. Altaf Hussain even if he may be a very senior member of High Command, he is either eliminated like Mr. Azim Tariq or kidnapped, tortured and killed or handed over to police after registration of false cases against him.
(x) In Part- II, Paragraph 8 (f) at Page 30 of the Petition, the Petitioner has boldly complained, without qualms of conscience, about the alleged “callous attitude” of the Respondents in not tracing the murder, amongst others, of MQMChairman Mr. Azeem Tariq. In this reply, the Respondents have filed the confession of Inamul Haque, confessing that Mr. Tariq’s murder was carried out by him at the command of Mr. Altaf Hussain.
READ ON.....
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4929754/MQM-VS-Government-reply-by-GovernmentPosted 1 year ago on 01 Aug 2010 13:11 # -
hahaha, Lala group is on the run. Do what you can say but MQM is being exonerated through the courts. They are blamed for thing that they have not done and time is proving it, see the recent examples of Hakim Saeed Murder & Jinnah Pur.. Liars are going to be Liars, they have no choice..
Posted 1 year ago on 01 Aug 2010 13:14 #
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