syedhussain
Member
Former Director General Intelligence Bureau, Colonel Iqbal Khan Niazi said in a tv program that we wrongly accused MQM in Hakim Saed murder case and the character behind is Rana Maqbool and one other member of PML(N). Please read
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jul2010-daily/22-07-2010/u39505.htm
LiberalKarachi
Member
Indeed. The Sindh High Court itself had freed/acquitted MQM from these accusations.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010621211223/www.dawn.com/2001/06/01/top6.htm
Sindh High Court acquits all accused in Said murder case
By Shamim-ur-Rahman
KARACHI, May 31: The Sindh High Court on Thursday acquitted all the nine accused in the Hakim Said murder case, setting aside the conviction and death sentence awarded to them by an anti-terrorism court on June 4, 1999.
While allowing the appeals against conviction and sentence, the anti-terrorism appellate bench, comprising Justice Ghulam Nabi Soomro and Justice Ataur Rahman, held in its short order that the "appellants are acquitted and should be released forthwith, if not required in any other case".
The appellants were: Shaikh Mohammed Aamirullah, Mohammed Shakir alias Shakir Langra, Mohammed Nadeem alias Nadeem Mota, Mohammed Faisal, Mohammed Zubair, Abu Imran Pasha, Nazar alias Muqarrib, Mohammad Zubair and Ezazul Hasan.
The murder had created a political stir in the country but the short order also demolished the political premise of the prosecution's case. After three months of hearing, the bench announced the short order which reflected its disbelief in investigation, the 164 (Cr.PC) statements, and demolished the prosecution's contentions with regard to recovery of arms and other evidence. It also demolished the political premise of the motive for the murder.
The defence counsel in appeals had argued for the acquittal because the prosecution had failed to prove any evidence, whether they pertained to confessional statement, witnesses' account, ballistic expert's report and evidence about the recovery of empties and finger-prints. On confessional statements the defence had argued that signatures were obtained first on blank paper while contents of the confession were written afterwards and therefore, they were fabricated evidence.
The defence had also argued that if one tainted piece of evidence cannot be corroborated then the whole statement should be rejected. They had also disputed the prosecution's contention with regard to the identification parade. The defence contended that the prosecution had also failed to justify the recovery of empties from the spot and the van.
They had termed the investigation a mere fabrication. The short order left open the question who were the killers of Hakim Said and whether there should be reinvestigation? When the order was announced, defence counsel Azizullah Shaikh, Mahmood Alam Rizvi, Adnan Ahmed and Iqtidar Hashmi were present.
The prosecution was represented by Assistant Advocate-General Habib Ahmed. Special Public Prosecutor M. Ilyas Khan has proceeded on vacations after arguing the prosecution's case. During the course of arguments on May 28, the special prosecutor had disagreed with the conviction of Abu Imran Pasha, Faisal and Muqarrib by the trial court.
After the short order, when the AAG was asked whether he would go in appeal, he said the matter would be decided by the government. On June 4, 1999 the appellants were awarded death sentence by Judge Qamaruddin Bohra of the ATC who had concluded that "prosecution has established their case beyond any shadow of doubt against all the accused persons".
The murder had brought down the coalition between the PML and the Muttahida Qaumi Movement as then premier Nawaz Sharif had implicated some of the members of the MQM in the case.
Nawaz Sharif on Oct 28, 1998 had accused an MPA and seven other activists of the MQM of being involved in the Oct 17, 1998 murder of Hakim Said, and had given them three days to hand over the culprits. Since the MQM had repudiated the allegations the coalition collapsed and a governor rule was imposed on Sindh. As a result of the arrest and subsequent conviction by the ATC, some officers had got shoulder promotion.
First, the case was tried in the ATC but after the creation of Military Trial Courts in December 1998, it was transferred to the MTC where the matter was proceeded till Feb 17, 1999, the day when the Supreme Court had declared them illegal. By that time three witnesses and the investigating officer had been cross-examined.
The matter was again sent to the ATC where the appellants were convicted. Sardar Mohammad Ishaq, counsel for the MQM, filed appeals for seven accused. Iqtidar Hashmi and Mahmood Alam Rizvi were privately engaged to file appeals on behalf of Mohammed Shakir and Abu Imran Pasha, respectively. Later, Barrister Azizullah Shaikh was engaged for Aamirullah, and lawyers Abdul Waheed Katpar and Adnan Ahmed appeared for others as Sardar Ishaq fell ill.
According to law, the appeals should have been disposed of in seven days but due to preoccupation of prosecution lawyers in the Nawaz Sharif case and delay in the preparation of paper book, regular hearing could not commence till March. The bench also dismissed application for the inspection of the location of incident as enormous evidence was already available on record. The application filed by M/s Hamdard for the release of the Hakim Said's car was disposed of with the direction to file it in the trial court.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010621211223/www.dawn.com/2001/06/01/top6.htm
rehanahd
Member
First Bigadiar Imtiaz .... Now This chap... Something fishy fishy.... all blaming Nawaz Sharif... n at same time declaring PPP and MQM (Mafia) innocent:)))
For me Nawaz Sharif is as bad as PPP n MQM bcoz all r exploiting ignorant and corrupt public... n ruling:)))
But this seems to me a Game being played:)
Mr Iqbal Niazi if hav courage now, then must have before PPP rule.. in Musharraf era to blame Nawaz Sharif:) What is the point to come now n declare Nawaz Sharif a bad guy n rest badmashs r Sharifs........
sfqureshi
Member
Most of the Army officers after retirement become "idiots" and start giving rubbish statements.General Aslam Baig have given many irresponsible statements and now comes this col Iqbal Khan Niazi, who has given this statement when the country is already in many crisis created by these corrupt politicians and retired army officers.
Anwer Kamal
Member
Do you remember
Tiger
Gen A A K Niazi
This Niazi looks like him.
How much he earned for this statement ?
@sfqureshi
Good thing is no one buys the crap from these popping out of nowhere bozos. Brig Imtiaz has done us a service by proving these old hags are kanjaris dancing for their client.
LiberalKarachi
Member
loving how certain-generals bashing has started now that they have started speaking truthfully about dubious issues...talk about double-standards
Anwer Kamal
Member
Truth from them ?
Plead guilty
Impossible
Saving killers is there need , to save themselves.
They are craters and supporters of killers, the MQM
LiberalKarachi
Member
Then why would you choose to believe them in the first place? Why did you initially believe in them for Jinnahpur or Hakim Saeed murder but now that the same people are refuting their own words, you choose not to believe them. If they are unworthy of belief, then you should also not believe in their original statements against MQM. Why the blatant double-standards and pick-and-choose in what to believe?
Anwer Kamal
Member
Liars than and now.
LiberalKarachi
Member
Former DG IB, Iqbal Khan Niazi, on Point Blank making the confession regarding Hakim Saeed on live TV:
he he he
jee haan ,MQM ne nahi mara Hakeem Saeed ko .
unho ne tou Khud kushi ki the .
MQM mein tou sub 5 waqat kay namazi hain.
unko pistol chalana aata ho tou Hakeem Saeed ko qatal kartay na ...
military unko feeder se doodh pilati hay.
wantinsaf
Member
Then who killed Hakeem Saeed?
Does he have any information for that?
Who has been ever proven guilty in the history of this lawless land?
Problem lies with us as why we vote for these mafias,corrupts,incompetents and bads...
Hakeem Saeed was a noble man .
and we have a tradition of killing our own noble men .
as long as his killers are conecerned .
everybody knows who they are ?
but nobody wanna say that out loudly .
Anwer Kamal
Member
Every one knew the truth. Killers are known and their supporters like this Niazi are also known.
Hussain Farooqui
Member
In the last days of his life, Hakim Sahib had begun to feel frustrated over the unchanged scenario of the country. He struggled very hard to reform the nation through conferences, seminars, lectures, etc., but when he observed no changes in the society, then he started condemning in strong words all the subversive elements of the society. He had open many fronts at the same time. May Allah bless his sould for his services to the nation, aameen.
Ex DG IB, Col Ret Iqbal Niazi revealed that MQM was not Involved in Hakim Saeed Murder in Karachi back in 1998, and it was Rana Maqbool the closest of Nawaz Sharif who is now Secretary Prosecution of Punjab framed MQM in Hakim Saeed Murder.
From these Revelations it is now clear that Nawaz Sharif was himself involved in that Murder of Hakim Saeed and he framed MQM to impose Governor Rule in Sindh where his party had only 16 MPA's as MQM refused to support him on 15th amendment through which he wants to become Amir ul Momineen.
Nawaz Sharif made Rana Maqbool a criminal IG Sindh who tortured to death many workers of MQM.
Slowly and gradually the truth is coming out, after Jinnah Pur these revelations are quite sparkling.
Now we have to see the reaction of the People of Pakistan was accused MQM falling into the propaganda of different regimes out to crush MQM.
This is also a test for Free Judiciary and CJP Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, He should form a high power inquiry for Jinnah Pur and Hakim Saeed so that the real culprits would be punish.
I Salute Altaf Hussain and each worker and sympathizer of MQM who gave every thing bear every sort of torture, accusations allegations but didn't bow down infront of these lairs and now Allah Showing the truth to everyone.
Anwer Kamal
Member
Kill others and claim to be a victim .
Policy of MQM from day one.ظلم کرتے جاؤ اور مظلوم ہونے کا
شور مچاؤ
They are in killing business and it is part of their policy and dead bodies are their trade mark
Hussain Farooqui
Member
Hakeem Saheb strongly condemned Nawaz Shariff and his associates for transfering foreign currencies abroad before and after nuclear blasts. According to the information expressed by Hakim Sahab himself, Nawaz and his associates transfered large sums of money with back dated statements of banks. For the general public, all the foreign currencies accounts were dissolved and an exchange rate much lower than market rate was paid.
expakistani
Member
Hakeem M Saeed, Mohsin Siddqi ( Pak Land Cement) Azeem Ahmed Tariq.... I think Army / ISI or Govt of Pakistan at that time was responsible ....a free judicial or truth finding commission should set up to find out real katils
Hussain Farooqui
Member
expakistani
I agree with your viewpoint. Without the consent of the govt. agencies, the murders of high class personalities can be committed. Hakeem Sb. began to challenge many subversive elements of the society including drug mafia. Evidently, drug mafia is operating with the cooperation of the govt. agencies.
wantinsaf
Member
Any innocent would never be scared of faacing the courts,why is MQM scared of facing courts?
MQM has never been inncoent like many other parties and it's well established fact that this terrorist group promoted hatred,wepaons in city of lights.
Why does Altaf look scared if he is innocent?
Who allowed MQM cheif leave Pakistan?
alirazaster
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mqm doesnt make the awaam fool with fake degrees
her daur mein mqm nay bari say bari accusations ko jhela hai.. but its the party which enjoys the support of the educated urban middleclass... dont be jealous, just worry about safeguarding your d.u.m.b.a.s.s political bosses
wantinsaf
Member
@SAR Rizvi
The issue being discussed over here was murder of Hakeem Saeed and you jumped to some other topic.
Coming back to the issue,why is MQM afraid of facing courts?
Why doesn't Altaf come back and get himself cleared of 100s of cases against him?
This speakis volume and tells the truth.And it's well estabslihed fact that MQM since its inception has been involved in terrorism.
Is it an achievement not have anyone from your party as fake degree holders?PPP and PML N are not terrorist group so does that make them better?There are different issues with different and all these parties commit different types of crimes.
@SAR Rizvi
Kindly stay on topic.
Hussain Farooqui
Member
wantinsaf
There is no personality of Hakeem Saeed's character or caliber on the political senario of Pakistan. Let us try to find what really happened to a great personality like Hakeem Saeed? He had bravely opposed numerous subversive elements including Shariff Bros.
wantinsaf
Member
@Hussain Farouqui
Undoubtedly Hakeem Saeed was an asset.But we the public want to know who killed him and what were the motives behind that.
Sharif Bros are just crime commiters like many other politicians.
rehanahd
Member
I think this country is full of frishtas and noble people like zardari ( Masters in corruption, looting n stealing) Altaf Hussain ( Master in Killing n Drilling techniques). I laughed when i saw this program. This man after 12-13 years come n declare rulers a frishta like done before with Brig Imtiaz.........
I must say that people are no more so goof and ignorant that they will believe in these goons who r telling TRUTH:P to ppl after 12-13 years. though Mr iqbal could hav more plots n money from Mushi for all these disclosures:P That was ideal time to target Nazoo Lohar... Ohhh Sorry Mr NAWAZ SHARIF who pay only 5000 in income tax:PPP
rehanahd
Member
Hakim Saeed family just after killing blamed MQM for killing... n every body knew that any body who was against MQM or not ready to share bhatta with them was killed... Pak land cement incident... killing of PSO Chief... Hakim Saeed... Salahudin of Ummat....and many more was only work of MQM death squad...
Anwer Kamal
Member
Actually time has come to get rid of these all parties and ethnic and religious groups. Young educated people should come out now.
Hussain Farooqui
Member
Anwer Kamal
The people of Karachi were mostly the supporters of religious political parties before the rise of MQM. The only few seats which Jamat Islami got were from Karachi. . They had municipal leadership came into their hands two times.They ignored the problems of the citizens of Karachi and the results were then evident Hakeem Sb. also had soft corner of JI in the beginning, but later he established negative opinion about all the politcal parties. He had idelological confrontation with all the political parites.
it is really interesting ... people get paid ... or terrified ... or pressurized in any way to come up and settle scores for MQM ... as soon as pervaiz rasheed said some words against MQM .. this story came up ....
in 2007 a very insider bureaucrat in PM house told me with authority and affirmation that MQM was get paid in 3 heavy suitcases from PM house to carry out 12th may incident in Karachi .... there was left no doubt when Mushraf said that their will be no investigation for 12th may ...
like wise ... who can forget the game of bori band dead bodies ....
as soon as ST got on top of its rifts with MQM whole of its cream was killed in a bomb blast ... i would stay in a doubt untill govt. started portraying it sectarian clash ... so the thing made this clear that MQM did this after taking bigs into confidence ... and now they were trying to hide things ...
killing is their game ... killing is their hobby ... they simply kill one who gets in odds with them ... Now they are blaming NS for every now and then .. that he made things against them .... in other words using their bads against their opponents .. very clever indeed .. but dangerous for themselves as well... because if one scam of these falls ... they would be naked on the roads ...
@ Anwer Kamal
it seems that you are very much right in your comments
they kill and become mazloom
@ sawali
"I Salute Altaf Hussain and each worker and sympathizer of MQM who gave every thing bear every sort of torture, accusations allegations but didn't bow down infront of these lairs and now Allah Showing the truth to everyone."
just one question ... are you telling lies or you really do not have any idea about tortures cells of MQM ..... ??
LiberalKarachi
Member
@Mujtaba,
"just one question ... are you telling lies or you really do not have any idea about tortures cells of MQM ..... ??"
Can you give us an address of one such torture cell? I will personally go to that area (if it is in Karachi) and visit it within a space of two weeks...my promise to you
Regarding 12 May: Can you give us a name of that bureaucrat? Weird isn't it that 14 of MQM's workers were killed yet MQM is suppose to be a beneficiary of 12 May. If you are such an expert on 12 May, then do tell us according to the minutes of 10th May in Sindh High Court, on whose orders were the containers to be placed in the city?
@wantinsaf,
"Why doesn't Altaf come back and get himself cleared of 100s of cases against him?
This speakis volume and tells the truth.And it's well estabslihed fact that MQM since its inception has been involved in terrorism."
Can you name one case against AH which is actually in court? Why don't you launch a case IN THE now-fair and free COURT of Pakistan against him? Imran Khan launched a case against him in the impartial British courts and failed to prove a thing: http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/imran-khan-confesses-he-has-no-evidenceproofs-against-mqm if you really have an iota of evidence then at least have guts to bring them forth in the British courts, if you don't have faith in pakistani judiciary
Anwer Kamal
Member
They left everyone beyond.
They are perhaps now won the race of telling a lie.
Hope they will make a record.
Who killed Hakim Saeed .Mohsin Siddiqui, Azeem Ahmed Tariq And Salahuddin (Takbeer). Every one knew.
We have not forgot 12th May 2007. We all saw live killers of MQM killing people.
rehanahd
Member
Pakistan is a gr8 country where every criminal is the biggest sharif......
I know no body of MQM love will answer me. bcoz i m witness to alll bori bund gunny bags n torture cells...
MQM is basically a thugs based mafia which is in govt since 10 years with these waderas n chaudries.. but still say we r against them... they share haleem n cocktail parties... enjoy poker at night...
But who is on loss... poor workers of PPP, MQM , ANP all... bcoz they have been exploited... told fake stories... told good history of party n mazloomiat on thier part... MQM tells young workers that their muhajiir girls have been raped.. but where r these girls ...does any one see.. i never.. never my any mqm friends showed me any one... bcoz all stories to emotionalize their poor workers.. then manipulation for own benefits...
Mr liberal karachi open ur mind n dont rely on information.. go n find facts..from ur elders or those people who knew Rehan kana... Farooq Dada... Fahim Commando... etc etc ... Torture cells where new techniques of torture... drilling.. etc etc were practiced... R we human or butchers...
ANP , MQM and PPP leaders enjoy lovely parties.. enjoy cocktails.. haleem n nihari together forgetting what their workers r doing with each other... N Poor workers r ignorant n becoming killers of each other...
Who is at loss... POOR PEOPLE... Shaheed na:)))
alirazaster
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one thing is clear, MQM enjoys a lot of popularity on this forum, whether good or bad. it is the most discussed party on PKPOLITICS
this shows that people actually think about MQM.
this may be due to the reason that people have expectations from this expanding party or either they support the people whom MQM is against, the jagirdars and waderas.
rehanahd
Member
SAR RIZWI...LOL
U R LIVING IN DREAMS...:) MQM IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE SUPPORTED ALONG WITH THOSE WADERAS WHO R WITH MQM KILLING MAFIA SINCE LAST 10 YEARS.. THEY R ALL SAME
alirazaster
Disabled upon Request
nobody is with anyone. everyone is working for itself.
and not all r same. if they were same, they wud have been equally discussed and criticized without any distinction. they are different in good or bad way... anyway, thats ur opinion
Hussain Farooqui
Member
Anwer Kamal
On the 12th of May, APC also came out with large no. of people who were armed to teeth. There was a two side battle between MQM and APC.
wantinsaf
Member
@LiberalKarachi
You did not answer my question which was:Why does not Altaf Hussain come to pakistan to face allegations and cases against him?
He would never come as he knows he has been involved in these crimes.An innocent would always be in hurry to get himself cleared of the charges against him but MQM is in hurry in settling down in UK.So understand the difference between innocents and crime committers.
I have always said that MQM,PPP,PML should thank God that they commit crimes in a lawless country otherwise they would have been behind bars.Tell me is Zardari innocent?Like MQM he too claims of being that.In this system no one from ruling elite can be proven guilty as it it pro elite,ineffetive system and full of corruption.
"jang main her koi merta hai,innocents bhi aur culprits bhi ager 12 may ko MQM ke 12 workers mer gaye to kia hua,unhon ne 48 dusri partiyon ke workers bhi to mare the.Kia pata MQM ne khud hi apne workers mare hon".
Get rid of your ethno nationalism so that you can see things impartially.
alirazaster
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there is no harm if Altaf hussain is leading the party from UK
he is doing his job very well and better than all the party heads who are running their parties sitting in pakistan.
mqm has no internal differences over party decisions unlike the rest of the parties... he is well aware of pakistani news and happenings... he issues statements over any matter and is as much part of the pakistani political scene as any other politician
and as far as coming back to clear cases against him is concerned... why doesnt the govt request the brtiain to hand him over? why could IK not present any evidence against him?
people talk about bringing him in pakistani courts. courts which have lost credibility and trust of the nation?... here, the rich and influential gets pardoned and the poor has to face the brunt of injustice
wantinsaf
Member
@Sar Rizvi
Well Altaf Hussain is leading the party better than others if the criteria for making such conclusion is:
1-Killing people
2-Voting for dictators
3-Voting for corrupts like Zardari
4-Licking American shoes
5-Doing nothing despite being in Govt?What has been their input on inflation?
6-Enjoying ministries but offering no service to the people of this country.Again what's their input?
And the list goes on....
why should a Govt headed by Zaradri,a corrupt individual,ask Britian to hand over a culprit whose party voted for him in Presedential election?come on boy,show me some sense.
Imran's case about Altaf Hussain is still in court and there will be millions of proofs if we have justice,equality and effective system in Pakistan.
Yes,the poors are meted with injustice but the culprits like sharif,zardari and altaf go to UK and live self exiled life.
alirazaster
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there is no proof. imran khan filed suit against him in british courts but failed.. accusing a party of everything is an old and useless tactic..
ur questions have been answered many times on other threads
wantinsaf
Member
Failure and success od decide at the end not in the middle.Just notice why God came up with the concept Jannah and Jahanam where punishement would be awarded at the end of universe.
Hussain Farooqui
Member
All disorders in our society are attributable to colonial style judiciary. As it is said about the colonial style judicial system," show us the face, we shall describe the law". We have to discard that judicail system which was meant only for safegaurding the colonial maters' govt.; not exactly for provision of justice to the common people.
Hakeem Saeed often inculcated on the idea of replacing many important components of the society.
twin_cities
Member
Hahaha
This bhatta force with its stooges in media, people like Mubasshir Luqman, cannot hoodwink public. Their crimes are enormous. What they are doing these days? More then 600 people have died in target killings. Eliminating top brass and the gang leader of this terror organization can save Karachi only.
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