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MQM gives PPP10 days’ deadline for an explanation on Dr. Mirza’s fiery speech

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  1. d0ct0r
    Member

    KARACHI: Mutahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) on Wednesday has given Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) 10 days’ deadline for an explanation on the fiery and controversial speech of Sindh’s Home Minister Dr. Zulfiqar Mirza.

    After long and detailed meetings of Coordination Committee in Karachi and London simultaneously, MQM declared DR. Mirza’s aggressive speech a controversy of dividing Sindh and demanded a clear explanation from PPP leadership within 10 days.

    MQM leader, Raza Haroon, said while talking to media after meeting that their party has reviewed new political scenario of the country in many hour long and nonstop meetings. We have also discussed the developing situation after the separation of Maulana fazal-ur-Rehman’s Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI-F) along with the harsh speech of Dr. Zulfiqar Mirza.

    “MQM is a mature and sensible party of the people and it will not take any decision in haste. We are giving 10 days time to PPP to clarify its position on Dr. Mirza’s controversial speech. After receiving PPP’s reply MQM will set its future course of action,” Raza Haroon added.

    After the separation of Fazal-ur-Rehman’s Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI-F) from the ruling alliance, emergency meetings of the Coordination Committee of Mutahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) were simultaneously held in Karachi and London.

    After sacking of Azam Khan Swati from the ministry of IT, JUI-F turned angry and announced to depart from the ruling alliance yesterday. MQM is also not very happy and carries many reservations over the issue of RGST and a recent fiery speech of Sindh’s Interior Minister and a prominent leader of Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) Dr. Zulfiqar Mirza.

    The emergency meetings of MQM Coordination Committee reviewed the developing situation after the harsh and fiery speech of Dr. Zulfiqar Mirza. The options of continuing or quitting the ruling alliance were also assessed during the meetings.

    Mean while, Federal Interior Minister Rehman Malik tried to contact MQM leadership in London but failed. Later on he denied while talking to media that he never tried to contact any one and nor it was required.

    After announcement of MQM’s 10 days deadline, PPP leader Sharjil Memon said in a statement that what ever was said by Dr. Zulfiqar Mirza, that was based on the intelligence reports of the secret agencies. SAMAA

    http://www.samaa.tv/News28911-MQM_gives_PPP10_days_deadline_for_an_explanation_on_Dr_Mirzas_fiery_speech.aspx

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Dec 2010 19:31 #
  2. d0ct0r
    Member

    Dr. Zulfiqar Mirza's Fiery(candid) Speech about real menace( MQM Altaf's target killers) destabilizing in Karachi.

    Mirza breathes fire against MQM

    KARACHI: A visibly exasperated Sindh home minister let it all hang out on Monday in a stressful meeting with top business leaders, sparking a fresh war of words on organised violence in Karachi.

    The meeting held at the Karachi Chamber of Commerce and Industry started off with businessmen lambasting Zulfiqar Mirza and the chief of police Fayyaz Leghari over a lack of protection. As their complaints rolled off, Mirza kept muttering, “Mein is ka abhi jawab deta hoon.” [I’ll just give you an answer to that].

    By the time his turn to speak came around, it was obvious that he was chafing at the bit. And what issued forth was nothing short of incendiary:

    The business community of Karachi is giving large amounts of Zakat and extortion money to militant organisations who are involved in terrorist activities in the country.

    The suspects involved in target killings belong to a big political party of the city. The police have arrested 60 target killers from different towns of the city and out of them, a majority belong to a party which owns the city. The others are affiliated with the Awami National Party, Mohajir Qaumi Movement and Sunni Tehreek.

    “Muttahida Qaumi Movement leader Imran Farooq was killed in London but markets remained shut in Karachi,” lashed out Mirza. “Innocent Pakhtun, Baloch, Punjabi and Sindhi people fall prey to target killings. Asfandyar Wali Khan did not kill Imran Farooq, then why were Pakhtun men killed after his assassination?”
    For a political landscape where such questions are never uttered in the public arena, Mirza’s words came as a shock.

    The Muttahida Qaumi Movement’s central decision-making body immediately sat down in London and Karachi in reaction.

    This was not the first time this coaliton partner had taken note of Mirza’s stance. A speech delivered on the Sindh Assembly floor had precipitated an outcry. From then on, the Pakistan Peoples Party had to dispatch federal home minister Rehman Malik to discuss target killings in Karachi.

    “The situation in Karachi will worsen and a large number of Urdu-speaking people will lose their lives if these ethnic groups come forward and make an alliance,” said Mirza, further adding fuel to the fire.

    As the Sindh home minister, he said he owns up to his mistakes and takes responsibility for the deteriorating law and order in the city, but political parties whose workers are involved in ‘bhatta culture’ or extortion and target killings should come forward and own up as well.

    Mirza, who was continuously whispering with chief of police Fayyaz Leghari during the meeting, said that everyone was making it out that the Shershah attack was important, but why had people forgotten the target killing of 50 innocent people who lost their lives just two days before it? “It could be called a reaction to the spate of target killings,” said Mirza. “During a meeting at Governor House, I had requested the participants to please be kindhearted to the people of Karachi.”

    He said that those people who felt that they could have the Pakistan Peoples Party-led government dismissed by sparking violence in Karachi were living in a “dream world”. “We will complete our five-year tenure,” he insisted.

    The home minister went on to blame the city’s businessmen for the weakening law and order conditions. “You people have formed associations and supported criminals in an organised way by donating cash and the hides of sacrificial animals in addition to extortion money.”

    Whenever he tried to maintain law and order by initiating deweaponisation, hurdles were created and people start blaming him, he said. “Sometimes, they call me the supervisor of the Peoples Aman Committee and the patron of the Lyari gang war,” he said.

    “If I were involved in these activities, then why would I have paid Rs5 million in ransom for the release of one of the biggest businessmen in the city and a renowned filmmaker who was kidnapped by militants?”

    The minister said that after the target killings, he could have easily claimed that there was a “foreign hand” behind them. “But I cannot look away, like the others.”

    Because of the floods, the Sindh government did not have the resources to invest in the police department. “Why do you people not help the police who are the good boys, not the bad boys,” he asked his stunned audience.

    Earlier on, KCCI president Saeed Shafi had pointed out that the worsening law and order situation in the city has created fear among businessmen and the Kohinoor mobile market robbery this week had worsened it. Siraj Qasim Teli, the chairman of the BMG Group and a former president of the KCCI, said that the business community was being targeted. Members of the Lyari gang war and the Peoples Aman Committee issue them receipts for extortion.

    They have informed the CCPO and other cabinet members of the Sindh government about the menace, but no action has been taken against the real culprits so far.

    “We cannot understand why, despite there being a coalition government of major political parties, the law and order situation cannot be improved in a mega city which produces large revenues [for the country],” he said.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/89722/sindhs-home-minister-blows-up-at-citys-big-money/

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    KARACHI: The acerbic Sindh home minister lived up to his billing on Monday, launching a none too veiled, vitriolic attack on the Muttahida Qaumi Movement and blaming it for the wave of targeted killings that have bedevilled Karachi over the past few months.

    “Dr Imran Farooq was murdered in London, but buses of Pakhtuns were torched in Karachi. Did Asfandyar Wali kill Dr Imran Farooq?”

    Mr Mirza said, spelling out a litany of complaints against the MQM.

    “When they want to kill any Pakhtun, Sindhi, Punjabi or Baloch in Karachi, they go about executing their plan methodically,”
    Mr Mirza alleged in a speech to the Karachi Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

    Out of 60 suspects arrested so far in the wake of targeted killings, 26 belong to the MQM while the rest belong to the Awami National Party, Sunni Tehrik and MQM-Haqiqi.

    The MQM hit back at the outburst with a statement that it would take up the matter with the president and the prime minister.

    “The Muttahida Qaumi Movement has decided to approach the president and the prime minister to lodge a strong protest against an unwarranted provocative speech” by the Sindh home minister, said a press release issued after a meeting of the MQM’s coordination committee called to discuss the home minister’s broadside, in Karachi and London.

    The party would send a delegation to meet President Asif Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani after Ashura and show them the video recording of the speech, it added.

    The MQM also asked its leaders and workers not to get provoked by the home minister’s statement and work for maintaining peace during Muharram.

    In the speech, Mr Mirza went on to say: “They should think about the day when the victimised communities go for a ****-for-tat action. If this happens many innocent Urdu-speaking people may be killed. The lust for power is behind the worsening law and order situation in Karachi.”

    He admitted that he had failed to improve the law and order situation in Karachi, but said that other coalition parties in Sindh were equally responsible for it.

    Mr Mirza recalled that during a meeting a few days ago he had requested Sindh Governor Dr Ishratul Ibad to “have mercy on the people of Karachi for God’s sake”. – Agencies

    http://www.dawn.com/2010/12/14/mirza-breathes-fire-against-mqm-2.html

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Dec 2010 19:40 #
  3. Anwer Kamal
    Member

    ابے او مرزا - تیری ہمت کیسے ہوئی سچ بولنے کی

    Posted 1 year ago on 15 Dec 2010 21:21 #
  4. spruce
    Member

    his truth will lose many lives ,MQM the big blackmailer, they do'nt care for human being , they deal human live like donkey and they have 20% support by gun power and rest has no choice just protecting their children lives.

    i suggest mega operation agaisnt MQM who have fistfull terrorists guys who are whole the time drunken and no sense whom to kill just they know when to kill may be dog or human they do'nt distinct.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Dec 2010 1:12 #
  5. Not Possible
    Blocked

    @Irshad

    are you insane? you buy the words of a terrorist and ghunda like Zulfiqar Mirza?

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Dec 2010 2:02 #
  6. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Irshad

    When Karachi was suffering from bloodbaths in 1988, the prople like Imran were probably dating with their playgirls. These playboys do not know what exactly happened in Karachi. It was MQM that rescued the armless citizens of Karachi from the terrorists of tribal areas. However, it is true that MQM got derailed from its real agenda after the death of Azeem Tariq.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Dec 2010 5:20 #
  7. Anonymous

    Glad to have learned finally that MQM has been the savior of the people of Karachi, although i myself have spent my life in karachi and have been close to their quarters.

    My analysis is different, MQM is the biggest scum of the earth and anyone has the right to disagree.

    MQM may very well be the only party on the face of this planet that has never been in the opposition. They have given the "hakumat" a ten day ultimatum. Very fine. And what are they?

    This is just another munafqat. Ten days so that every thing is forgotten else for a a clarification of this sort an ultimatum of 24 hours even was more than enough.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Dec 2010 7:36 #
  8. Not Possible
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    @abytude

    which party do you support

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Dec 2010 8:04 #
  9. Zulfiqar Mirza always take a bad luck with himself.....A day after his poisoning and motivating Violence against an ethnicity one of PPP's collision partners left the Govt. and now he and PPP left with nothing but explanation to MQM and also Karachi for promoting Hatred and Violence against an ethnicity......I think this pressure tactics of PPP against MQM failed just as it started so no support from MQM on RGST instead explanation from PPP for his statement.....I think MQM wont leave the collision after all these development because they have learn from their past about type of Demonizing they will receive while doing that as at 1990 they also came out of PPP collision just like today's situation and that action causes our democracy big harm because after that no other Govt. was able to complete their tenure so MQM would like to keep this Govt. continue what ever they are doing and let their Voters pay the price of Voting them because this will enlighten people about their power of Vote hence other parties like PTI and MQM could gain support from that as people wont ever like to trust old and outdated leaders after this Govt.....Another reason is that currently MQM has went National and are expanding their platform around Pakistan and its hardly 9 Months passed when MQM formally announced their operations in Punjab so it would take time for MQM to gain some support as MQM and its way of Politics is very new to Punjab as Political culture of Punjab is concentrated mostly on Candidate based Politics instead Platform based Politics so it would be too soon to make an impact in outside Urban Sindh......

    Another thing is that MQM has also been expanding their Interior Sindh program as well and Mirpurkhas, Sukker and other areas of Interior Sindh MQM has started to mobilize itself which could be another reason for Zulfiqar Mirza to spit venom from his mouth as it is well known that whenever any Gangster from Liyari got killed PPP and their supporters started calling it "Baluch is killed by Muhajir" instead of "Gangster is killed by Police or criminal" try to promote hatred among communities and same strategy is of ANP as well whenever their is an action against Land Mafia or Oil tanker Mafia or Taliban they started shouting that "Pashtun are being Targeted" instead "Criminals are been targeted" so in Karachi all those parties trying to get their foot hole in Karachi usually try to use Ethnicity card and since MQM is trying to expand themselves in other parts of Pakistan they cant use this card cause this will cause damage to everything which they are trying to achieve.....Its a very difficult time for MQM's decision makers as if they leave Collision and let this Govt. failed then they will be accused of being "Establishment's party or dictator's party" and if they dont came out of collision then they will be assumed "enjoying benefits of Govt. and ministries"(despite they have voluntarily step down from so many positions from Mayors to Federal minister).....

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Dec 2010 10:09 #
  10. @Not Possible

    Why Zulfiqar Mirza is so against MQM? I have always noticed growing support for MQM whenever I visited Karachi but why PPP and other are against MQM? Please elaborate.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Dec 2010 12:25 #
  11. d0ct0r
    Member


    Pakistan lurches through new crisis

    ..

    Settling differences
    Pakistan's political powerbrokers are working overtime, and background interviews conducted by Asia Times Online suggest the government is not too bothered about Rahman's withdrawal. "Don't read too much from the desertion of Fazlur Rahman. He is upset because his financial henchman [Swati] has been sacked. He will do his face-saving and then join [the government] under a new deal," a senior PPP member told Asia Times Online on the condition of anonymity.

    However, the indications are that the government is concerned about the MQM's 25 seats and, as has happened in the past, it will probably send Interior Minister Rahman Malik to London to talk to the MQM's founder and leader, Altaf Hussain.

    Malik is a former director general of the Federal Investigation Agency, which was at the forefront of military operations against the MQM in the 1990s during which extra-judicial killings and forced disappearances were rife. Though he is now said to be a close friend of Hussain, he is more likely to use pressure tactics.

    A PPP leader who holds a diplomatic position told Asia Times Online. "Whenever Hussain threatens to leave the coalition he [Malik] sees him in London and solicits him not to go. Hussain refuses to come to terms, so Malik goes to Hussain's former wife's residence and informs Hussain where he is.

    "Hussain doesn't want to open a Pandora's box about his controversial family and political life associated with his former wife. So he will issue a statement that both parties can co-exist. This happens every time and it will be the case in the future as well."

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LL17Df04.html

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Dec 2010 0:46 #
  12. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    abytube

    Can you bring into my knowledge who saved the citizens of Karachi after heavy bloodbaths in Qasba Colony and Khawaja Ajmer Nagri Colony? If that was not the event which popularized MQM, then what else did it make the most popular political organization of Karachi?

    However, it is true that it derailed from its real mission after Azeem Tariq's death. Altaf Hussain is evidently not a fair character.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Dec 2010 4:25 #
  13. Not Possible
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    @sweetrtuth

    PPP is a wadera party and the others are wadera croonies and surfs

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Dec 2010 4:48 #
  14. Anonymous

    r we supposed to cheer for MQM for any good that has been done in the past?

    even MQM and PPP have a few good men though but they really dont matter in the overall modus operandi of the party.

    the supposedly most popular party of khi has been terrorizing the city left right and center. "Derailed" does not do justice with whats been going on.

    Forget everything else, does it even matter who one in khi wants to give his qurbani khaal to? its TAKEN! Popular party wrecks hevoc in the polling booths and rig the contest to its bone. I know how the orders go "paanch sau qaumi, paanch say subaii" (referring to the booklets)

    anyways i dont know whats the discussion about, i think i just didnt like the positive way u painted MQM.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Dec 2010 12:02 #
  15. Truthlover
    Member

    MQM is a maffia, people without principles, they are in wedlock with PPP and suit eachother in the best possible way. All these ultimatums are to pressurize and get more influence in the government.
    PPP, MQM, ANP, PML(N) and the rest are despicable political robbers, who should be banned forever.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Dec 2010 13:35 #
  16. @Truthlover

    Ok in case when deadlock failed and MQM came out of this collision....Lets assume that scenario for once....All those so called Critics(Haters) will on the very next second after MQM coming out started calling MQM Dictator's party or Establishment's party blah blah blah.....The thing that they have learned from 1990s when same scenario happened in 1990 BB Govt. which was stepped down because of MQM coming out of collision same type of PROPAGANDA was done on them.....

    On the other hand just tell me what has MQM gained so far from this whole collision????Lost 200+ workers including an MPA, Gave up Mayorship of Karachi and Hyderabad(Control of those cities), enjoying 1.3 ministries in 80+ ministries....tell me how much benefits have MQM being enjoying at this moment?????Still you think that is lot then by numbers MQM should have 6 ministries but currently they have only one if they were so interested in all the ministry and other stuff then they could have done the same as JUI done recently long time ago.....

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Dec 2010 13:57 #
  17. Truthlover
    Member

    gazi 23,

    I'm not a mathmatician and therefore can't calculate the physical gains of MQM out of this present coalitian. I seriously believe that Pakistani public is illiterate and so is its political leadership. The whole political spectrum looks funny, where no one knows what is the ground reality. PPP is just representing less than 20 percent of population and yet screams about having people's mandate. Opposition is just a big fraud and so are the allies.
    Coming back to MQM, I believe them to be not patriotic, they struggle on the basis of ethnic divisions and have been always a gangster party, who don't hesitate to kill innocent citizens of Pakistan. They have taken the biggest city of Pakistan in hostage and spread hatred.
    Yes, they are under represented in government but why did they allied themselves with other gangster party?
    Why didn't they demand more ministeries?
    Why are they part of a corrupt coalitian if they don't agree to the policies of the government they are part of?
    It's nothing but a hypocricy and an attempt to cheat the voters. I know that MQM's votebank consists of people, who love to help their Urdu speaking bothers regardless of if they are competent or not.
    Altaf Hussain lives in London and yet controls the party with iron hand, why don't he come to Pakistan and fight against Evils of the country instead of talking in a way that makes mockery of bad Punjabi movies.on telephonic adresses?
    He intends to have roots even in Punjab but would never be able to do so, not because people from that province are clever enough to see his hypocricy but simply because he doesn't know how to approach these stupid voters.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Dec 2010 15:36 #
  18. Anonymous

    MQM quitting the coalition would be wishful thinking .. as for the nod from the establishment goes, u may get a clue since these guys are all over the place with their inter party rawaabit.

    I mean what does Khurshid Qasuri have to do with whats going on between MqM and zulfiqar mirza?
    What are they calling him for? You got the bashing straight in your face whats taking ten days to decide.

    They want an assurance from Qasuri that the like-minded wouldnt join the coalition in-case they leave as then there acquittal would achieve nothing .. no political points and no money in the bank!

    Money ofcourse is the primary concern .. especially if the govt gets to stay its full term and you have an ugly fat kid to feed in the UK!

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Dec 2010 18:31 #
  19. d0ct0r
    Member

    abytude

    Not only are they calling Kasuri,these MQMized absconders are calling Shujat and Maulana Fazlu as well seeking assurance from both of them that they'll not change their stance and would not join the govt. Shujat himself on other hand just visited Fazlu's residence and sought similar assurance from Fazlu that he would stick to his stance and won't would not rejoin govt. Just like Altaf, Fazlu is famous for his hypocrisy and somersaults .

    Everybody wants other not to join the govt so that they themselves are in better position to blackmail the govt.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Dec 2010 19:02 #
  20. @Truthlover

    If you have any understanding of Karachi then that ethnicity thing is very dominant factor in Politics as PPP although is a National Party so called but in Karachi they use Ethnic card of Sindhis and ANP is also using same in Karachi so MQM is left with no other choice as to either play Ethnic card or lose support of their GENUINE supporters....Even that Nawaz Sharif has also grow up playing Punjab ethnicity card but no one call him Traitor of any kind why is the problems comes when someone from other ethnicity plays the same??????Isnt that Hypocrisy?????MQM being Gangster's party is actually a wishful thinking of those who dont know anything about GRASS ROOT MOBILIZATION as its well known throughout Pakistan and especially in Punjab the parties buys Winning Candidates and use their Vote Bank in the constituency to get elected but MQM on the other hand Field their GENUINE people for the Elections and due to TRUST on MQM's platform people Voted MQM without considering the alternatives as MQM has DELIVERED RESULTS in the Past to their Voters so before calling someone Gangster or Criminal first look through the way they work having no PERSONAL BIASES against them then come up with ARGUMENT.....

    Talking about taking City Hostage then all I can say is that Karachi is Double the size and population of Lahore and many times bigger then Pind where I can assume you live and I dont think even Pakistan's mighty Army can take a city as big as Karachi having population of almost 20 million Hostage by AK47 for 20+ years and I dont think MQM also have Tank and other Artillery support for doing that.......Be REALISTIC for once cause Anti MQM Fairy Tales are for FOOLS to scare from....

    Talking about asking for more ministries then you should also know they way PPP Govt. is working and even if they ask then next EXCUSE you come up with is that MQM is filling their Pockets in the Govt.....

    Talking about being part of the corrupt collision then if they came out the whole democratic process which started after 7 years will be DERAILED and then your EXCUSE against MQM would be MQM is dictator's party and dont want Democracy to survive.....

    Talking about Competency of MQM then you should visit Karachi for that as most of the Development work that happened in the city is because of the COMPETENCY of MQM and even that one Ministry that MQM have right now which is Ports and Shipping just check their Performance with respect to Corruption in Pakistan you will yourself find the Competency of MQM their as well.....Talking about Urdu Speakers then ever heard of Tahir Hussain Mashadi????he is a Punjabi Speaking Senator from MQM and Baber Ghouri himself is Pashtun(not Urdu Speaking) so why in the World Urdu Speakers got interested in Electing Punjabi senator and Pashtun Minister from their constituency?????

    Talking about control then do you want MQM to have people like Raja rental and Salman Taseer type people whos strings are not attached by anything called DISCIPLINE????Discipline is a key strength of MQM which I think you are so Unaware of to understand how the party is working so Smoothly despite of everything.....Have you had any experience of working in Multi National organizations????they also got their operations in different countries while Head Quarter in the home country how does they able to operate successfully in Pakistan????If they can operate like that then what is the problem of MQM operating so smoothly despite its leader is not in Pakistan....Its all about Discipline and GOOD MANAGEMENT SKILLS which is required which unfortunately most people dont understand and wonder why we dont have anything called Pakistan Based Multinational.....Read HRM(Human Resource management) books to understand my point.....
    I think MQM knows very well how to approach the Voters in Punjab as Punjab's Political Culture is about Buying the winning candidate to get Votes but MQM is specialized in different approach which is Platform based and the understanding of this Approach is required which could take time but as soon as it develop MQM would win alot of support....

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Dec 2010 20:20 #
  21. Truthlover
    Member

    @gazi23,

    The argument that others are using the ethnic card as well doesn’t satisfy me, if I’m to believe you that MQM is really different party than other parties. If Bhutto used it in past or if Nawaz is using it today the history shall not forgive them for this crime.
    In modern times even a big city like Karachi can be taken as a hostage by few organized individuals and you’re a community of millions with effective organization and aggressive cells. You have proven it again and again by killing innocent citizens.
    Not demanding more ministries just show how weak you are in bargaining and how centrally dominated the party is, more dictatorial than a democratic force. If MQM was to show a character it would never give in regardless of what kind of relation Altaf Hussian had with Zardari.
    Your argument regarding your party’s reasons to join and stay in the coalition are pathetic. A party standing and guarding its principles would never be accused of derailing the democracy. Your party is just using it as an excuse to stay in power. Your affixations with establishment are well known to the people so what are you afraid of then?
    I must confess that I know little about your competence and have to study this aspect in order to learn more. Your claim that your party is not involved in any corruption is indeed encouraging but your partnership with despicable politicians take away this advantage and place you there as partners in crimes.
    Your naming two individuals doesn’t make it a multi ethnic party, though I wish that you may raise above these petty and narrow minded approach of your party.
    Last but not least I agree that electoral collage of Pakistan is imperfect, giving rise to choosing credible candidates rather than competent ones, and here comes the family system, landlords and other factors in picture. It’s money, influence and power that plays the vital role. It’s astonishing that despite your knowledge about Punjabi voter and his mentality you have failed so miserably to attract their popular support, how come?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Dec 2010 10:40 #
  22. Qasim ali
    Member

    I fully support doctor, and endorse that MQM is totaly resposible for karachi, looting,riots,target killings, and BHATTA extortion money charged on gun point by hooligans and mafia group of MQM,who has full support of specially, business community of gujrati/kathiawaris business men who open handely gives MQM, zekat, funds, animal skins of Qurbani, besides BHATTAS AND EXTORION MONEY because of threat, kidnaping,and target killings.
    Nothing wrong Mirza has said, that they all knows who is the criminal,traget killer,kidnaper,BUT ALL THESE BUSINESS MEN ARE SCARED OF KIDNAPING TARGET KILLINGS THEIR KIDS, AND KTHS SO THEY RELUCTANTLY FROM BACK DOOR FUNDS AND SUPPORT THIS CRIMINAL MAFIA MQM, AND THEIR CROONIES.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Dec 2010 13:05 #
  23. Anwer Kamal
    Member

    Well done Zulfiqar Mirza
    He stands still

    Still firm on my statement regarding MQM: Zulfiqar Mirza

    Still firm on my statement regarding MQM: Zulfiqar Mirza
    Sindh’s Minister for Interior Zulfiqar Mirza has said that he is form upon his statement regarding MQM and support of party’s senior leadership is also with him. Zulfiqar Mirza claims that PPP has enough strength in Sindh to rule the government; it is upon MQM to decide whether it wants to remain in government or not.
    Talking to media at the People’s Media Cell, Karachi, Zulfiqar Mirza said that I keep informing the senior leadership with facts. MQM’s role during Yaum-e-Ashur was commendable and these security threats are not only for Karachi, rather for the whole country. Earlier to this a press conference was held by seven provincial ministers of PPP which was presided by Pir Mazhar-ul-Haq, in which they acknowledged the security measures taken during Yaum-e-Ashur and also commended Zulfiqar Mirza and his team for these efforts. The provincial ministers collectively supported Zulfiqar Mirza’s statement regarding MQM.

    تیرے جئے پت جمن مانواں کدرے کدرے کوئی

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Dec 2010 21:47 #
  24. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    @ Truthlover
    To your comments about MQM leadership being competent or not, show me anyone from your side in the Pakistan Senate as competent as Muhajir leadership. Here is the link:
    http://www.senate.gov.pk/BrowseMembers.asp

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 2:04 #
  25. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    To answer everyone on this forum of MQM being ghunda party. Ghunda gardi started by the rest of the Pakistan first. NSF, PSF and Jamiat, they were all consisted of Ghundas, do some research. To cope with these elemens, one needs to do **** for tat especially when state itself become a party instead of providing arbitration. As a whole everyone else is purely jealous of MQM and its support.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 2:09 #
  26. wantinsaf
    Member

    MQM is a blackmailer so it is doing what it has been since its inception.
    PPP has failed to recognize where the problem lies so it had better mend its ways

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 6:35 #
  27. wantinsaf
    Member

    @Rizwan QaimKhani

    MQM is really a competent party and let's have a look at that;
    1-Party is accused of killing more than 50,000 people.No other party has done that.They are really competent.
    2-Party voted for Nawaz Sharif,Musharaf and Zardari.And we all know what these govts gave us.What a competenvy.
    3-12 may 2007 mahem was the killing day in pakistan's politica history.
    4-There are 234 cases against Altaf Hussain and he doesn't want to face them as he is afraid.What a comepetent leader!He has crossed others.

    And the list goes one so the killing in Karachi goes on.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 6:39 #
  28. quaidkamazaar
    Member

    @ wantinsaf,

    50,000 people? its funny how you come up with such random numbers.

    other parties are accused of sanctioning army operation against 20,000 residents of Karachi. a little bit of thought in this matter would lead you to answers.

    234 cases, i ask you to check out some of those cases and how bizarre they are.... 234 is just a mere nonsensical number here which you are throwing. burned the national flag at quaid's maosoleum? LMAO

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 10:29 #
  29. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    @ wantinsaf
    What kind of competency are we looking for? Is it the education? MQM;s leadership was always consisted of well-educated middle class folks. Lets look at the other parties leadership shall we:
    - PPP: It is vaderaas and chaudhrys party. They buy seats for their kids in foreign schools that means their literacy and intelligence questionable. Bhutto was no exception, he got into top US and UK school as a reward to the "services" his father Shah Nawaz Bhutto performed for British and Indian Government in terms of accession of JonaGadh. Ironically, Bhutto's short sighted and selfish attitude has cost us East Pakistan. Anyhow, Zardari, I suspect he has ever been to school other than where they teach camel riding.

    - PML (N): It also consisted of chaudharis, no exception. Nawaz Sharif even failed BA exams—pathetic and being accused of having no law degree. Do I need to go further…

    - ANP: None of the leadership is from the middle class.

    All of these parties even hijacked PML is consisted of racial bigots, corrupts, nepotists and opportunists. Another point: quota system was brought, on the face, to eradicate illiteracy but it was self-serving system for these feudal leaders and gift to their rural constituents. We should all thank Bhutto and his racial hatred towards Muhajirs for that. Fast forward to 2010, Pakistan's 79% population is still uneducated. And I do not see it coming to an end in 2023 either since it is easier to rule the ignorants. Prevalent literacy in Karachi is another thorn for the rest of the Pakistan because they just cannot tame this elephant.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 13:20 #
  30. nsdap
    Member

    MQM is a party of those who were the real creators of Pakistan unlike those who were hands in hands with the colonial masters.

    Nobody has the moral authority to question our patriotism and loyalty to the state.

    We created this country and soon we will rejuvinate it with our own hands.

    The haters will continue to whine. Their days are numbered.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 14:12 #
  31. scindian
    Member

    Z Mirza should not make such comments upon MQM,because we dont want any disturbance in Sindh.whenever there is peace in karachi good number of sindhies and other peacefull people settle in karachi.More over they are celibrating all cultural days togather with older sindhies.

    Jeay Bhutto.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 14:17 #
  32. jaypk
    Member

    being a karachiite...i do like to see them in power...regardless of bhatta and gun culture n whdeva...and i praise mustafa kamal fr whdeva he did fr my city...none the less....i have to be realistic in my approach.. and if i will be dreaming of MQM ruling the country and comparing it with PP and NS (sad but true)...lolz..i would be day dreaming...or fr someone else who think like this..should come out of the fools paradise..!

    as fr Zulfiqar mirza sahab..i question his state of mind..!

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 14:36 #
  33. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    @ wantinsaf
    To your question about 50,000 killed by MQM, I believe it is the otherwise. Army has killed a large number of Urdu speaking community in '90. You should flip your fingers towards yourself. And MQM never seiged any community within Karachi or in any other part of Sindh, they just defended the existence of Muhajir. It were pathans and other invasive ethnicities who were against Muhajirs always took offensive against them wether it was Qasba in '80s or Qaidabad in '60s.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 14:42 #
  34. nsdap
    Member

    IK whines all day long for tribal pakhtoons but has no word for those muhajirs who were killed by 1992 operation.

    Where were those Ansaar Abbasis, Irfan Siddiquees, Imran Khans and Nawaiwaqts when a similar operation was being carried out in 1992?

    Without doubt, this crickiter is a filthy racist.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 14:47 #
  35. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    @ wantinsaf

    Your second question has misleading figure, Karachi's population is 20 million not 20 thousand. What led to Army Operation of '90 against the residents of Karachi? It was started against Sindhi dacoits and their patron as it is not hidden from anyone that Sindhi vaderas were behind these dacoits and their were some mixup of Indian intelligence agency RAW who were providing them state of the art arms such as infra-red telescopes, rocket launchers etc.
    Having no success there due to Sindhi influence in Pakistan's power circle, cowards of Pakistan Army, beauruecracy and corrupt politicians such as Chaudhary Shujaat turned the barrels towards Urdu speaking community. They concocted the scheme and labelled MQM in particular and community in general of being separatists. Pakistan Intelligence broke the corrupt elements from MQM and later planted it to their advantage. These MQM Haqiqi folks were wearing Rangers uniforms when they landed in Landhi; particularly Afaq wearing I believe a Captain rank in Rangers. Pakistan Army supplied them ammunition via their logistics cell NLC and the list goes on (These are my personal observations not some stories I listened from someone else). Ironically, the "newly discovered torture cells" were established by Haqiqi themselves that blamed at MQM. PML (N) started the operation but it was Benazir who took it to pinnacle. Do I need to say more. Now it is being denounced by Army's very own Imtiaz Billa. Residents of Karachi should sue the Government of Pakistan.

    It is ironical, we were the ones who the fought for Pakistan's inception and migrated and later blamed for breaking it. I believe all the other communities who never shed blood let alone a tear in Pakistan's struggle are trying to break Pakistan. ANP has always been active and now they have underground scheme to do so; once Afghanistan settled, they will do their utmost to break away. Sindh cannot be trusted due to their alignment and afinity to be part of India as having Jiay Sindh and other separatist elements with a mix of RAW with protection from PPP, it is anybody's guess. Punjab has been enjoying the benefits since the day one and their passivness and their love for Mumtaz Doltana show they don't much care about Pakistan. In a nutshell, we are still by far the protectors and saviours for existence of Pakistan.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 15:09 #
  36. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    @ wantinsaf
    Question Nº3
    You better research other side of the story. Karachi had become the leading economic indicator for its own and Pakistan's growth. We were getting FDIs from all over the world. Punjab's Chaudhary and Sindh's vederas did not like that. It was opening the flood gates for Pakistan's economic growth even for newcomers to Karachi were at the advantage at the time. It is nobody else but PPP and ANP are responsible for the demise of the progress. They people like to rule Pakistan collectively according to their stone-age ways as they belong to that era.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 15:16 #
  37. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    @ wantinsaf
    In Pakistan, whoever gets into power, to subdue others, makes cases against them. It is just to pressurize the other party. Once they are subdued, cases automatically get dropped because majority of them are baseless.

    I am starting to suspect the majority of non-muhajirs asking for Altaf's return as a ploy. I think you must take care of Zardari, Nawaz and long list of your own dead or alive corrupt politicians first before thinking something else.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 15:22 #
  38. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    @wantinsaf

    MQM never burned Pakistani flag it was Jiay Sindh who did it repeatedly first at Mazar-e-Quaid in '70s and later later by G.M. Syed himself in '80s. You should set your record straight.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 15:35 #
  39. asif86
    Member

    rizwan qaimkhani, Pakistan's 79% population is still uneducated.

    where did you get this from

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 20:32 #
  40. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    @Asif
    If you are in the mood of believing Government Published figure, it is just an estimate. Do you really believe that Punjab has the highest literacy rate in Pakistan of 79.7%. It is just making you feel good stuff. The harsh reality is it is nowhere close to that.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Dec 2010 23:59 #
  41. Anwer Kamal
    Member

    Now be happy
    Gilani asks Mirza not to issue statements about coalition partners

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Dec 2010 0:17 #
  42. MQM and PPP are natural opponents .
    divide between rural sindh and urban sindh can be seen in the opinion and actions of these two parties .
    MQM is not ready to leave Karachi and HYderabad
    on the other hand , PPP thinks that its a sind party , and Karachi and Hyderabad should also be their dominating areas .

    this rivalery artificially ends when both the parties need help of each other to make a coliation Govt in the province .
    same ends , when the interests of both parties get clashed .

    had anybody noticed , that in Nawaz era , there were less clashes of MQM coliation then in PPP era .

    reason being , Nawaz has no ownership or claim on Sindh .
    so he is ok with MQM , holding Karachi and Hyderaabad .
    contrary to Qaim Ali Shah and Zulfiqar Mirza , who wanna own sindh as a whole province .

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Dec 2010 5:16 #
  43. Anonymous

    @nsdap

    IK was not in politics in '92

    Secondly, he has repeatedly said that the operation in Karachi was uncalled for and shouldnt have happened.

    If you wish to keep your perception that IK hasnt condemned it, keep rotting with it, nothing can help you then.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Dec 2010 7:04 #
  44. Truthlover
    Member

    Talking about the honesty of MQM!
    http://www.jasarat.com/epaper/mmdetails.php?date=20-12-2010&file=27&category=nation

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Dec 2010 8:21 #
  45. Truthlover
    Member

    All bluff!
    http://thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=7658

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Dec 2010 11:47 #
  46. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    @ Truthlover
    Jasarat has always taken JI side. It is not a neutral voice, if you need some neutral source, probably DAWN would be a good start.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Dec 2010 12:40 #
  47. wantinsaf
    Member

    MQM is credible and this is how;

    1-In 2002,they voted for Musharaf.
    2-In 2002,they voted for Jamali,a vadera from balcohistan.
    3-In 2004,they voted for Shujat Hussain,a chaudhary from Punjab.
    4-In 2004,they voted for a American sent PM,Shaukat Aziz.
    5-In 2007,they voted again for traitor,Musharaf.Can there be any bigger sin and crime than voting for a criminal and taritor Msuaraf?
    6-In 2008,it voted for Gillani, a feudal lord from Punajb.
    7-In 2008,it voted for Zardari,a feudal from Sind.

    MQM is just a bunch of criminal and blackmailer who like Sahrifs,Zardaris and Msuarafs are enemy of Pakistan.

    And recent statement from MQM doesn't show anything but proves they are blackmailing Govt.

    Believe me they are ready to do anything(I really mean anything),if you give them money(they are poors yaar) and few ministries.For that very reason,they are serving Americans and helping them in their agenda.What a party(read pitty)!

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Dec 2010 14:33 #
  48. salaudin
    Member

    @RQ
    MQMers never accepted that Altaf called the creation of Pakistan a blunder in India, until it was played on Geo. Now the same people are denying the accusation that Altaf burned the Pakistani flag at Mazar-e-Quaid. Even though I wasn't there to witness it, but a lot of MQMers used to brag about it during the 90s. Their attitude suggests that it is highly likely that the event really took place.

    Altaf is a (so called) Pakistani politician hence it is our problem. Zardaris, Nawazs, Altaf etc are all cut from the same cloth so they needed to be taken care of the same time.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Dec 2010 14:33 #
  49. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    @salaudin
    Do you have a link to that broadcast? I am interested.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Dec 2010 15:03 #
  50. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    @wantinsaf
    MQM in particular and Muhajir in general are paying the price since Pakistan's inception by getting into these unholy wedlocks. As for Musharraf, I salute him for everything he has done for Pakistan unlike Zardari or Nawaz who considers Pakistan as their estate and loot it as however they see fit. Show me if Musharraf has milked Pakistan as Zardari or Nawaz and cronies from Punjab and Sindh have done it. Punjab and Sindh didn't like him because he was giving Karachi its fair share. What bigger change has Chaudhary Iftikhar has brought to people of Pakistan other than big talks—nothing. At least we have a golden example of Mustafa Kamal, what rest of the Pakistan has to show—only non-credible and corrupt leadership.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Dec 2010 15:10 #

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