If MQM really serious about making roads into punjab politics, it needs favouring punjab common demands and popular public opinion.
MQM recent stand on NRO made serious positive sentiments in punjab politics.
MQM must make serious efforts to negate its public image of being a ghunda party & serterian party of just 2 cities.
A mature move in Punjab can help MQM to make in roads in Punjab politics.
msohail83
Member
Reports are emerging about DG-ISI's secret meeting with MQM Kingpin peer Altaf before his change of heart on NRO.
http://pkpolitics.com/2009/11/03/off-the-record-3-november-2009/
Yes, such popular decisions can help their cause but they'd have to have sincere intentions for that. In this case, reality is different!
Unique
member
In order to make way in the national policitcs, MQM needs to do two things:
1. It should cease to be a party whose members beleive themselves to be Muhajirs despite being born in Pakistan.
2. Its leader should return to Pakistan and be with the Pakistanis including his party supporters raher than hold a regular circus of addressing his supporters by telephone and sadly all his supporters sit like statutes and listen to his garbage.
or MQM ko Boriyan bhi barai bari mangwani hungi .punjab ki ababi zaida jo hay .
MQM opposed NRO because some unknown resources whispered Kashif Abbasi and Hamid Meer about MQM's meeting with DG ISI where ISI chief commanded MQM to oppose NRO.
N-League oppose NRO because they are loyal to the nation and most democratic party in Pakistan. Their leaders may have met with Kiyani in the darkness and instead of feeling ashamed of it they tried to defend their choori chupay meeting, but they are still the patriots.
@Unique
You need to update your info. MQM leaders do not call them Mohajir anymore. Yes, they started with Mohajir politics just like NS started with Jaag Punjaabi Jaag but they moved on and now they are trying to go national.
zingaro
Member
bsobaid .. I swear to God that I don't belong to any party and criticize every one based on their mistakes and corruption. But i have observed your posts.. don't you feel you are particularly biased against N-League... Why is that?
msohail83
Member
I think Obaid sahib was targeted by Saif ur Rehman back in the days, so he's holding grudge about it.
Unique
member
@bsobaid
I am aware that Muhajir has been superimposed with Mutihidda but that was putely because of the heavy critiism they received. The mindset has not changed and unless we cleanse our innerself it does not matter what slogans and what initials we use to describe outselves.
Talking obout the mindset, I will give a short narration of my visit to karachi in the days when MQM did call itself Muhajir. When one of my inlaws who was a member of MQM very proudly stated that she belonged to Muhajir QM, I retorted by saying that I am a Muhajir too be migration in 1947. I was told very categorically that I could not be a Muhajir becasue I was not Urdu Speaking (she was born in Pakistan and I speak better Urudu than she does). So there you are Obaid. I hope you will understand me better now.
zingaro
Member
valid point unique
Invalid points Unique.
"The mindset has not changed "
How do you know mindset has not changed? How do you measure change of mindset??
MQM is trying to organise itself in Punjab. MQM is trying hard in Gilgit Baltistan. MQM has organised itself and has representation in Azaad Kashmir assembly. MQM has invited non-Urdu speaking members in its Rabita committe and other zonal committees. How else will you measure mindset? Or in your opinion, only way to prove one's patriotism is to pledge allegiance with N-League and Ghairat-o-hummiat group? or atleast to work on their agenda??
N-League on the other hand has zero presence outside of central and north punjab and they are making zero efforts to expand.
Even N-League started with "Jaag Punjaabi Jaag" slogan.
The example you cited is that of an individual and it does not apply.
I'd encourage MQM to expand throughout Pakistan. Such efforts bring positive change.
We need atleast one more national level political party other than PPP.
msohail83
Member
But only losers to go listen to his telephonic sermons.
@zingaro
because of their munafiqat. They secretly meet with military establishment and work on their agenda and still call themselves democracy lovers.
They make zero efforts to expand outside of Punjab and still get called national political party and give crap and ghaddari certificates to regional parties.
when SriLankan team gets attacked they and popular media a.k.a N-League media blames Salman Taseer but when other terrorist attacks take place in Punjab they blame Rahman Malik. When military wins in Swat they give credit to army, when terrorist attacks take place in the country they only blame civilian government.
I can go on and on over their munafiqat.
The worse part, people do not seem to realize their cheap and dirty and harmful politics so I have to raise awareness to make people realize who they are.
zingaro
Member
good obaid sahib .. ab kuch tazkar aaap PPP ka bhi kar dejiay ... aur phir MQM ka bhi .. aap ki bari meharbaani hogi ...
ppp, MQM, JUI(F) and ANP all are one and the same group.nehle pe dehla
what about PPP ??
zingaro
Member
nahi nahi truepakistani .. obaid bhai kuch kahein to maza aaey .. ji obaid bhai .. waiting ... kuch tazkara PPP aur doosri parties ka bhi .. usi lehar mein ... :)
what about PPP??
What was their election slogan?? Did they run their elections to reinstate Ch. Iftikhar?? NO!
They main slogan was economy and FATA.
N-League's slogan was democracy and today they are secretly meeting with Kiyani.
msohail83
Member
Did they promise the nation to restore all judges?????? YES! Not once, not twice but thrice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wont go off-topic. Lets discuss MQM and Punjab
msohail83
Member
ha ha
zingaro
Member
you are jolly obaid sahib :)
PPP did not run in elections on Ch. Iftikhar issue.
N-League anchors used to grill PPP on that during election campaign.
You really have short-memory.
zingaro
Member
Crow is Whiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
msohail83
Member
I bet you even Zardari wouldn't spend this much time and energy defending himself as my brother Bilal does.
LOL!!
quaidkamazaar
Member
there is a stereotype in Punjab about MQM being some alien fanatic party. but i think it would vanish in the long term.
@unique,
the mindset has really changed on the "muhajir" being superimposed on MQM.
now MQM workers call themselves the downtrodden 98% antifeudal middleclass and claim to be fighting for them.
and about the when you went to Karachi episode,
by urduspeaking, what people really mean is not how good someone is at speaking urdu.... its a softer term to point towards the ethnicity of muhajir or their descendant.
you might be an extremely great urduspeaker,,, but in the other terminology, you are not an urduspeaker, its nothing to get worked up about.
Sirf Pakistani
Member
Well in my opinion our country needs atleast 400 MUSTAFA KAMAL. Only then we can get rid of this filthy feudal system in Pakistan.
before entering into Punjab,MQM should clear its accounts with the Karachities and the urdu speaking community members ,whom they promised to give more quota for karachi in Govt jobs and medical seats ,whom they promised with, to end the feudalism....
then they should start a new era in punjab .
have they fulfilled their promises ?
no2.ppl of punjab are not emotional at all .they wont vote for a leader who is coward enough to sit in london,while addressing through phone calls?
@Sirfpakistan ,
for ur info,MQM has been a part of every Govt Mashallah .
why they never did anything to solve the issues ?
Sirf Pakistani
Member
Beenai
Do u really think that its so easy for MQM or PTI to eleminate current feudal system???
Noway, but besides all the allegations of hatred or voilence, I think we should support the parties like PTI & MQM.
LETS BRING SOME CHANGE IN THE SYSTEM LETS BRING MIDDLE CLASS IN PARLIAMENT
@sirfpakistan,
if it was not that easy ,why MQM promised so?
no2..if its not that easy ,then still they could give a try in their 20 years of Governance .
(with BB,with Nawaz,with BB,with Nawaz,with Mush dictator,with Zardari)
rather they chose to sit in the lap of feudal lords .
like BB and Zadari.
middle class leadership is all drama.
middle class leader is sitting in london,paying heavy money on international calling for addresses ,leaving a lavish life in the most expensive city of the world.
Sirf Pakistani
Member
Maybe its a drama but one thing is for sure
today the word FEUDAL is becomming like a GAALI in sind. and all credit goes to MQM.
oh really ?
then why they always sit with a feudal leader to form a Govt ?
and what terms have they made them imply in order to lower the influence of feudalism?
MQM ne aj tak kisi feudal ki Bori nahin banaye>???
kion ?
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Good! question
@Sirf Pakistani
Mustafa Kamal is a jaahil aadmi and I pray we get rid of that one Mustafa kamal instead of getting additional 400 of them.
We all tend to focus too much on the events while ignoring the process and phenomenon that gives breeds those events. I sincerely think we need to change our thinking process and framework.
quaidkamazaar
Member
bsobaid, are you okay?
Mustafa Kamal is not a jaahil aadmi. Infact, he is truely an inspiring man.
it amazes me how biased some people can get.
expakistani
Member
I would not call Mustafa Kamal as Jhail, yes he is short temper and his style is very " Jazbati type"
@Sirf Pakistani
Aap es bored per new entry lagtey ho...welcome
well just to let you know
BEENAI ke samney MQM ke tareef kerna .....
Bhens ke samney been bajaney jesa hey...
its useless... En ke Beenai per perda para howa hey
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MQM have to work hard and long way to go for any in roads for punjab politics....
Tag of Mohaji Qumi Movement going to be the biggest hurdle....
Best choice for MQM is to support smaller parties in other proviances... like SRIKI QUMI movement in south Punjab, or Pakistna Threek e Insaf and Jamate islami ( in urban punjab )
Jamhori watan party and Pakhtoon Kahwa mili awami party in Balochistan....Set up working relationship with ANP in NWFP
support local parties and bring them under ETHAD....
Anwer Kamal
Member
900 choohay kha kar billi haj ko chali.
expakistani
Member
@Anwar K,
Es PKpolitics per to bas eik du bilian hain, baki sab Beley hain ya K***, app ke ke baat kes billi ke baat ker rhey ho?
899 chohey hi bili ney khaye hongey kion ke eik kamal ka choha abhi Bagta pher rha hey.......LOL
( Sorry guys no hard feeling, just take it as tanz o mazah)
So anwar Bhai... come with details, yeah kia aap ney urdu ke mahwarey bazi shoro ker di hey
quaidkamazaar
Member
MQM cannot tackle feudalism without the support of the people. MQM will only be able to tackle feudalism if idea of middle class leadership is supported by people.... it is happening in Gilgit Baltistan.
If the people and vast 98% middle class of Pakistan support MQM, then only MQM will be able to defeat feudalism.
MQM never promised magically wiping out feudalism, there is a method.
quaidkamazaar
Member
Mustafa Kamal is an amazing guy...
he has vision and is an exciting man who makes action speak louder than words.
how the hell is middle class leadership idea of MQM a drama?
Every leader of MQM has sprung up from the middle class... and there are new leaders in the making as well. none of MQM workers are from the same khandaan also.
the day you people can call a spade a spade we'll move ahead.
Mustafa Kamal is an incompetent loser.
He is not qualified for the position. He has zero vision. He may or may not be committed, but he is incompetent for the position for sure.
The vision you talk about is borrowed from Naimatullah Khan.
You may like the shiny roads and bridges right now but all the infrastructure he has built will come down within a decade.
I dont care he is from middle class or whichever class. Middle class is of no use if the person is incompetent.
expakistani
Member
@bsobaid
some of the ideas were borrowed from Abdul Sattar Afgni
and ever Dr Farooq saatar period... but Nimat Ullah Khan and
Mustafa Kamal did work hard to finished those project...
vision like " hmara karachi" Gree Karachi, City Monitoring system and IT base billing system for Karachi Metro was purely kamal's ideas and he deserved for his hard work.
Even little thing like clean up process after EID UL AZHA was terrible during Mr Abudl satar afgnai to Nimat Ullah Khan's era but last year i was surprised to see efficiency of baldia ... there give him credit.
bravogameover
Member
truepakistani
//MQM must make serious efforts to negate its public image of being a ghunda party & serterian party of just 2 cities.//
msohail83
//DG-ISI's secret meeting with MQM Kingpin peer Altaf before his change of heart on NRO.//
Unique
//a party whose members beleive themselves to be Muhajirs despite being born in Pakistan.Its leader should return to Pakistan //
bsobaid
//N-League oppose NRO because they are loyal to the nation and //
Beenai
//MQM has been a part of every Govt Mashallah .
why they nMQM should clear its accounts with the Karachities and the urdu speaking community members
ever did anything to solve the issues ? //
quota for karachi in Govt jobs and medical seats //
why they always sit with a feudal leader to form a Govt ?//
I am writing for only those ones who could really,very genuinely study,think,analize the MQM (by leaving their hatred,jealousy,enmity and narrow mindness)and Karachi b/c if one does not know karachi from 1947 to yet then MQM can not be understood.
Before 1991 MQM was known for its " Mohajir " nationalism and middle class leadership,when the muslims of India who did utmost political struggle,faced world bloodiest riots for the creation of Pakistan,the extreme fever of founding Pakistan was in those states in which MUSLIMS were in minority like Gujrat, UP,Maharster,Bihar and Madhya Pradesh.The Muslims of upper descibed states settled in Karchi and hyderabad.They were awarded some namesidentities by other identities of Pakistan like "Mohajir","Panahgir","Matarwa",
"Hindustani","Hindu Satura" ( Hindu ka Beta),"Bhagora" it was extremely painfull for thoseones who struggled for Pakistan, in which all muslims and muslims will live free with respect but other people were proud to be a "Punjabi", "Pukhtoon","Kashmiri","Baloch","Saraiki","Hazarawal" and "Sindhi",so b/c of getting an identity we chose
" Mohajir " or " Proud to be a Mohajir" by Altaf Hussain, later Altaf Hussain call us as an " Urdu Speaker " and later or now " we are proud to be a Urdu Speaking Sindhi " as , Sindh is the place where now our parents are born and sleep in the graves of Sindh , we really,very genuinely respect all identiites their languages and cultures as culture,language and rituals are earned after hundreds of years practices/contributions,yes in every culture there are so many good, bad and worst issues/things/matters are there b/c human creates the culture,modify the culture, change the culture by analyzing that which thing is against the HUMANITY or RELIGION.Some people ask that the identifications/Nationalism/Ethism in Pakistan is harmfull.Yes, it can be harmfull and is harmfull b/c Pakistan is a FEDERATION in which four provinces are there and in these four provinces people have some other or different languages,atmosphere,rituals and cultures and when the State does not allocate/recognise all the identities or doesnot allocate the RIGHTS,RESPECT and does not post any GOAL for them, it all become miserable , every one is inspired by the land where born, and where your born there has been different cultures and behaviur are there so one always belongs from innerself to where, the one born.
when Altaf Hussain visited Twice (1990 and 1991) to Lahore and Multan, and addressed the huge Public gathering organised by Nawaz Shariff in Lahore, at that gathering no one was in the gathering belonged to MQM, means all of people related to Nawaz Sharif, Altaf Hussain said to people in that speech that" PLZ Do vote for whom who are alike you, who have same problems,same home,same status like you,same family structure like,He added " Why there are Kala,peela School system for common ones and Cambidge system for KHAWAS so VOTE TO whom whose children learn in that schools, where your children learn, He addedd" Why do you vote for industrialists, Feudal, investors, Influential people instead of poor, lower middle class and middle class people as these people could only do for you, He addedd " Wake Up befor it is late to wake".
In upper described gathering nawaz shaif said , " I saw the dead bodies of several MQM worker who were torchered to death by PPP and other, on these bodies "Mohajir " was written by "Iron" and "Hot Coal". He added, " Altaf is for commonones and a leader of lower class people and we both will do the revoultions for country."
In (1991) at Lahore Press Club Altaf Hussain said, " I feel I could not come again to Lahore as the Enemies of comonones are at work/doing conspiracy against MQM."
plz do know the above event were happened when MQM was ( Mohajir Qaumi Movement ) at that time (1990)some jounalists asked from Altaf Hussain that is MQM going to open offices in Lahore but Altaf Hussain said , " No I just want to give my messages to the peope of Punjab."
But MQM faced very warmed response from Lahore and Multan and some people ( 300 Approximately joined MQM when MQM was Mohajir Qaumi Movement) Iftkhar Randhava( current Member Rabita Commitee London) was one those people who joined MQM in 1992.
So before 1992 operation MQM was not "Ghunda","Terrorist", "BhattKhor","Mafia","Traitors Party" and neither MQM had any links with India and "RAW" but since operation started "Torchercell" were discovered in which "ROPES","Torture Tools" were bought in front of Media people at that time too , to make Scene complete.
They discovered " JINNAH PUR " they said MQM has 100, 000 Kalanshan Kov but even cann ot discover 100 Kalashan Kov from WHOLE Karachi.
The Nawaz Shariff and others who earlier acknowledged that, " MQM workers were torchered and word Mohajir was written on their bodies by "Iron " and " Coal ", Now were saying that " MQM have " Torcher Cells and " Bori Band " xyz.
Yes ,
It is true MQM was in a coalation in 1988 and left the coaltion in 1990 and then,PPP Govt gone.
It is true MQM was in a coalation in 1991 and left the coaltion in 1992 and then,PML ( N ) Govt gone.
In 1992 MQM faced STATE OWNED MILITARY CRACKDOWN then
PPP got GOVT without MQM and ” PPP made Karachi in to GRAVEYARD from 19993 to 1996″ by killing MQM workers in which manner whole city witnessed it.
It is true MQM was in coalation in * 1997 and left the coalation and PML N Govt. gone.
* PML ( N ) made allegations that MQM killed Hakim M. Saeed , MQM denied and afterward ” Sindh High Court Court ” decided the case in MQM favour,In Major Kaleem Case MQM also proved its innocence from " Sindh High Court " when MQM was facing Operation and was not in GOVT.
so why MQM makes the coalation with PPP and PML N as both of these parties were deliberatley,cheerfully and happily used by "Establishment", when Establishment sent command line to both these parties that " JUST ERASE MQM ".
Dear , We are Pakistanis and how,when could we "fight" for our RIGHTS in Pakistan,as the people who were killig us were not Americans,Israelis and not Indians , all of them were " Patriotic Paksitanis ", yes certainly we were and we are " Ghaddars" so Do know we have 2 options either to participate in GOVT to do any thing for the people who Vote for us in the limitations we ahave always had, or sit in opposition and destroy our people interests and their safety, everyone who know the power corridores, that how much the power is shared with coalation partner from "Winning side"( which make the GOVT), whatever MQM could do for its people can be learnt by surveying the whole Karachi , Hyderabad,Azad Kashmir and INSHA ALLAH good news is coming from " GILGIT BALTISTAN " too.
* NOTE : MQM is the only party which always opposed the
" black law " quota system in Parliament whenever it was presented and all parties including JI ,PPP, PML N,ANP , JUI xyz always voted for the favour of this law, which has divided the Pakistanis on " POPULATION STRENGTH " and
" brutally killed the Merit ", plus " Shariat Courts Has declared "Quota system" as " UN ISLAMIC LAW",interesting fact is that ANP,PPP,PML N makes allegations on Establishment that Establsihment creates traps for them, but all of these parties proudly "VOTED FOR QUOTA SYSTEM " and PPP,ANP and Baloch Nationalists express their hate for " Establishment now which is known as " Punjabi Establishmnet ", we know this Punjabi Establishment has nothing any link with common, poor ones of Punjab and this Punjabi Establsihment is the Ruling Elite,I personally feel this Establishment can be called as Zionist Establishment which is the " biggest enemy of Pakistan".
One said at here that MQM is sectarian party ,MQM is that party which has thrown the Menace of Sectarinism from Urban Sindh not now, MQM did it in 1982 to 1990, now this menace does not exist in Urban sindh but this menace exist in " Gilgit Baltistan " and sooner MQM will clear this menace from " Gilgit Baltistan" too,about Y Altaf Hussain is in London, dear Altaf hussain has faced 3 killing attemps with bombs and heavy firing on him, he has excluded himself for any GOVT. " position" and his life is precious for us certainly, yes for you his life is not preciuos but for us he is every thing.
One said b/c of ISI chief MQM opposed the NRO,hamid mir wrote on 27th October and openly said MQM upcoming stance and MQM had informed the PPP that NRO will not be supported from MQM so MQM advised on 5th October or may be earlier that PPP should take another remedy for NRO, well we all know in NRO ther are all " UN DECIDED " cases are pending so even if all cases are wrong , or all cases are right , we know in Pakistans system " No ONe is Punished for its Crimes" history clearly shows it.
By the way If NRO was passed (with / without the favour of MQM )then all the parliament and president , prime minster would be kicked out from power, b/c the players had played their game very before , MQM informed the PPP but they were busy in somewhere.
I could debate more and more and explain what MQM is, but I found people are most generous for throwing allegations on MQM instead of recognising MQM on its historical ideology, policies and working, actually people deliberatley forget the 1947 to 1960's period , 1964, 1972 , 1974 , 1986, 1988, 1990, 1992 to 1999 , 25th,december,2007 , 31. November.2008 , without genuinely knowing above described incidents and conspiracis,no one can understand andknow MQM well I wrote for ones who want to know MQM and Karachi genuinely not for theirhatred, jealousy and enmity.
when you want to know,aware
analize MQM ( without having hatred, jealousy, enemity) purely and neutrally so, MQM delivered through LG system as in Pakistan to push a brick is not easy and what MQM has done in all dept of life through LG can be studied and learnt.
I will put MQM in PPP, PML N, JI etc category if MQM got the C.M or P.M seats and would not do any genuine, truth full revolution for people .
Long live MQM
Long Live Altaf
Long Live Haqparst
I wrote another post too,
Actions/policies and implementation is the only proof for any Ideology which demands its truthfulless and righteousness.
I am afraid that no one thinks,analyze neutrally ( leaving hatred,jealousy,enemity for MQM) that the people/parties who have got 2/3/4 times of Prime Ministership,2/3/4 times of Presidential ship, 2/3/4 times of Chief Ministerships in all four Provinces and Pakistani Bureaucracy (zionist bureacracy of Pakistan which is menace of Pakistan has also been recruited by these "TWO" parties) means these "TWO" parties have served inallkey positions in Pakistan but wha did they do , " ZERO "
they both deliberately,
1.ignored " provincial Autonomy Bill " which was the dream of Indian Muslims before 1947 and still it is dream for Ex Indian Muslims,who are now Pakistanis after 62 years.
2.ignored " Local Government Bill ", it is the system which is practiced in almost all developed countries with extreme power for creating " best possible " governance,we buy latest PC's,cell phones,medicines xyz which are the product for outside Pakistan but the " SYSTEM" by which the countries develop thier societies, our Ruling Elite ignore it completely.
3.ignored the justicefull distributuion of revenues b/w provinces, by solving this issue Balochistan and upcoming Sindh's issues can be solved forever.
4.ignored the " MERIT " criteria and divided the nation/nation's Bureaucracy in four segments and produced
"Black Law Quota System",now we listen "Punjabi Establishment" term,"depriviation" was the so called reason behind that law which was introduced for 10 years now it is 39 years but I do not know Either Merit is deprived or the National intersts are deprived b/w of it, plus after this law it is observered that depreviation is strengthened more after this law, well to me " 400 years " are needed to remove quota system.
4.ignored the land distribution to those landless farmers who are landless from 3 to 4 generations and have voted largerly for these both parties but are stil empty handed,as powerty on its extreme is closely realted to Rural areas which can be revolutionised.
5.ignored to create revolutions in "TAX" syetem, as by justiceful tax system the country could getrid from Aid/Loans plus the agriculture sector which contributes 25% of National economy doesnot pay a " single penny " for income Tax like if you earn 25 ,000 PKR/Month from any occupation except agriculture,you are liable for income Tax , BUT if you earn 25, 000 PKR/month or 100, 000 PKR /Month or 10,000, 000 PKR/Month from agriculture then YOUR INCOME IS INCOME TAX FREE, how injusticeful it is from 1947 or this injustice is from pre 1947 too.
Both of these parties strikes against each other for
" Ultimate Power ", If they really stand on any 3 issues described above people will support them extraordinary but how could these two take a step on above issues as by serving on these or real issues their own and Establsihment interests will be finished as all of their leaders belong to the " Feudal , Tribal Lords,Land Lords, Media tycons ,Industrialist, Investors, Top Military and Civil bureacracy , Intelligence Agencies Bureacracy , RTD civil and Military Beacracy ( who are now Feudal also ) , Top Judicicary have same interest and they just manuplate the issue do not solve it , do know PPP and PML N " were used " by Establishment to erase MQM so Establsihment always try to minimize the power of each other and certain both of these parties were happy to remove MQM as MQM was the common ones party.
I ask why these both do not stand on these issues as Pakistan is here for unsolving these issues.
expakistani
Member
@BravoGameover....
Brother take it ezzy man, esa na ho ke pheley din hi mods
and admin tumhara gameover ker din...
dont copy and paste info without ref and dont post threadz with same info...
@Bravo,
you should mention the resource .
how can i believe that the info u have copied and pasted is Correct ?
Sirf Pakistani
Member
@ bsobaid
Since how long you visited Karachi?????
Or
Have you ever been in Karachi?????
@ expakistani
Yes i admit some people have personal BIASED from mqm, but beside all the terror allegation. We'll have to give credit to those who contribute for the city & for the Pakistan
BTW because of leg pulling
"jahannum main pakistanio k well pe koi darogha nahi hoga"
thats true :))
bravogameover
Member
Benai
//you should mention the resource .
how can i believe that the info u have copied and pasted is Correct ? //
first of all the information or post I wrote was not copied and pasted plus, which resource you want me to mention.
amin1924
member
So you just typed all these two thousand five hundred words with all the statistics/figures yourself?
wow bravo!
bravogameover
Member
JJ khan
//So you just typed all these two thousand five hundred words with all the statistics/figures yourself?//
Dear " Great Brain",
I said ,all the information or post I wrote was not copied and pasted plus, which resource you want me to mention.
Ask , what reference , you want me to prove which thing you do not know or want the proof.
I know, my english language is weak but I made my point clear, asked clearly which resource/proof or reference you require/ asked from me.
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