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Musharaf a Chronically Failed Dictator.

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  1. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Musharaf a Chronically Failed Dictator.
    KARGIL WAR.
    Even before becoming the dictator, just for lust of his personnel fame, he was responsible for the adventure of Kargil war, which was having following draw backs.
    • As both India and Pakistan were nuclear armed at the time of Kargil war, it was simply foolish idea for staging such an adventure.
    • In case of extension of Kargil war, even the survival of both India and Pakistan were at stake, because in nuclear war no one will be victorious.
    • Kargil war has given the message to world as Pakistan was interested in the land of Kargil and not in the liberation of Kashmiri peoples.
    • It was told to the world as Mujahideen are acting in Kargil while infact they were the personnel of Pakistan army, and in fact it was great betrayal with those soldiers who were officially sent by their Generals in Kargil.
    • As a General Pervez Musharaf failed to take the help of Air force, which also indicates that how much capable General was he.
    • In Kargil Pakistan army personnel who were denied even by their Generals as their soldiers, were fighting against two forces of India i.e. Indian army and Indian Air force, it was a simple analysis that it will be impossible for one force to win a war against two forces. Which clearly indicates, that General Musharaf was not well aware of the basics of warfare?
    • Pervez Musharaf was solely responsible for the deaths and injuries to soldiers in this conflict and damage and malignment of the nation due to his foolish adventure just for his personnel fame.

    Musharaf Dictatorship.
    After Kargil expecting that he could be court martialled for his misdeed, Therefore by violating the best interest of the nation when enemies of Pakistan were waiting for opportunities to overthrow Taliban rule in Afghanistan, and to annihilate Kashmir libration movement and to surgically remove nuclear arms of Pakistan, by having no care of the above mentioned interests of the nation ,this dictator staged the coup against a Prime Minister who was having two third majority in the parliament, at that time only a civilian government was in best position to solve all above challenges but foolish dictators were having no care of interests of the nation.
    Kashmir;
    Due to Dictator Ship in Pakistan, liberation movement in Kashmir was seriously damaged; more dust was poured on that weakening movement by foolish suggestions of this dictator. This is the reason that even after giving so much sacrifices, still Kashmiries are waiting for freedom.
    Damage to Integrity of Pakistan:
    As the survival of any nation depends on the basic ideology of that nation, as Pakistan was created on the name of Islam and for the welfare of Muslim populations of Different areas, but this dictator was having no respect for the traditional, religious. Democratic
    and justice values of society, he was not in line with the mentality and thinking of the nation, nation was thinking in one direction and he was having mind of opposite direction, which caused serious damage to unity and integrity of Pakistani nation.

    War against Afghanistan:
    After 9/11 When he was waiting for help of USA for strengthening his dictatorship, he helped those enemies of Pakistan who were having desire to overthrow Islamic Government of Afghanistan, while in fact that was a golden opportunity for convincing to USA and world that solution to the problem of extremism in Afghanistan should be left to both governments of Afghanistan and Pakistan, and at other hand it was a convenient opportunity for creating a union between Pakistan and Afghanistan for countering terrorism for the purpose of avoiding the war in the region. but due to his dictatorship these goals were not possible, specially when India the main enemy of Muslim unity in South Asia pressurized Pakistan, by giving unnatural offer of Air bases in India to USA for aggression against Afghanistan while in fact by this offer it was not possible for USA to attack Afghanistan, by this offer, India just aim was to force Pakistan to become an ally of USA against Afghanistan, so that a hatred may be created between Pakistan and Afghanistan, This foolish General was unable to comprehend this policy of India, due to which so much civilian atrocities are going on in this region even today and this region has become the most destabilized region of the world.
    War against Afghanistan was opposed by civilian, military intellectuals, Corps Commanders and people of Pakistan, but dictator was having no care about that. and was interested in his personnel interest
    War against Afghanistan has caused a huge destruction in Afghanistan and large number of Pakistani civilians and military personnel’s have been killed.
    Destruction of Pakistan.
    War against a neighbor Muslim country, has seriously damaged Pakistan Islamic Ideology, and it is simple that without adherence to ideology, no country in the world can survive, this is the reason that now Pakistan is facing serious problem in each and every sphere of life, Institutions of Government and Military, Parliament and Judiciary are now facing serious problems as all these pillars of state have been seriously damaged by dictatorial policies.
    Damage to Army:
    Due to operations against its own population, Pakistan Army has lost all support of people, this is the reason that due to policies of this dictator, daily so many soldiers and Police personnel’s are loosing their lives, Instead of protecting and helping to each other, Army and people of Pakistan are cutting throats of each other, Due to operation in FATA, Balouchistan, and operation of Lal Mosque, serious damage to image of army has occurred. This dictator did not know that only relation and link between different areas and sections of people of Pakistan is that of Islam, All energy and motivation of Pakistani nation comes from Islam, without that even survival of Pakistan is simply impossible, but this dictator was having no care of that, This is the reason that army and security forces have lost all motivation, and anti social elements are committing freely their crimes.
    Damage to Judicial system:
    This under graduate General has caused serious damage to Judicial system of Pakistan, He was not knowing that in history when a dictator throw away any judge on street due to fair practices of justice then that Judge becomes the greatest judge of history, In Karachi on 12-05-2007,so many civilians were killed just to damage and abuse the
    Judicial system of Pakistan.

    Damage to Parliament:
    This dictator for the lust of power in 1999 removed a prime minister who was having Two Third majority in Parliament and a fake referendum was held to validate his dictatorship in which he showed that he was having support of 98 % of people, while in fact in history even in a single constituency of Pakistan it is simply not possible for any candidate to win so much support. He re-elected himself as a president for next five years, being a government employee wearing Military Uniform, while as per Pakistan constitution it is not allowed to compete elections being in job of Government, moreover from a parliament which already has elected him president once, and was going to complete its life just in next few months.

    Conclusion: From all above analysis it is clear that running of the country should be done by those who are specially trained for that purpose otherwise Military Generals, who are trained just to kill or destroy the enemy, when they come to the power they do the same thing with their nation and they are very fond of wars and very interested in show of power with guns, such type of people may be very dangerous for the nation, army and world at large. It is also the responsibility of Army as an institution to clarify that why so much conveniently it becomes obedient to such rogue dictators.

    Written By M.Akram Khan.
    Karachi,Pakistan
    E.Mail :akrumniazi@hotmail.com

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Oct 2009 12:41 #
  2. he is indeed ...
    and every day is proving him a Failed Man ...
    after effects of his failure are those ,we as a nation ,are still facing .

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Oct 2009 12:53 #
  3. zingaro
    Member

    He is just a **** pot and nothing. He is a mental case who still feels being president of Pakistan. More pathetic is that he also considers himself as a scholar.

    Remember when he started programs on Economy on PTV. I am to abide by this forum's rules otherwise i have very bad words for his economic sense.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Oct 2009 16:18 #
  4. quaidkamazaar
    Member

    haters.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Oct 2009 18:27 #
  5. raheb
    Member

    Beenai is something NOT what we are looking, beenai is What we are seeing, because sometime what we are seeing is NOT there. Madame beenai, for me you are without Beenai, as you can look only surface.

    raheb

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Oct 2009 19:41 #
  6. @raheb,
    you have no right to make fun of my name .
    no2...i m seeing what the majority of ppl have seen.
    dictator has ruined the whole country ..our present and future ...he has messed up with everything i.e.judiciary ,media ,foreign policy ,constitution and over all rights of a common citizen of Pakistan ...
    he has sell out Pakistanis to USA .
    he has sell out sovereignty of Pakistan .

    if he was good ...than why we are still facing the after effects of his autocratic policies ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Oct 2009 4:57 #
  7. quaidkamazaar
    Member

    we are facing aftereffects of this new govts policies to loosen grip on militancy.

    musharraf was great with media and opened up media,,, he did not mess media up. infact, the irony is media was the tool to his downfall. it just shows you say what propagandists say.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Oct 2009 5:09 #
  8. after effects are always from the previous Govts not from present Govt ...
    no2...present Govt is actually following Mush policies and thats how the whole set of things has been going down due to Mush and his civilian successors .

    no3...so much for media independence.
    it was an international phenomena ...and Mush can not stop a media revolution ,which was bringing money too ....
    as long as mush and media love affair is concern .
    if that was the case ...
    why Mush banned all the news channels TWICE in his 9 year tenure of ruling ?
    why JANG , GEO ,AAJ and Express still hates Mush ?
    because they have been targeted badly by Mush ...

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Oct 2009 5:23 #
  9. quaidkamazaar
    Member

    to your last question, which is rather interesting,

    Some channels targeted Mush badly because they were biased and made money that way by selling themselves to politicians with only hate material. simple enough.

    Present govt is not following Mush's policies, Mush was much much stricter and he would not have let Taliban to even step into Swat. The situation was allowed to get extreme in this relaxed new govt which militants took advantage off.

    this aftereffects thing is always an excuse which every new govt uses unfortunately to hide their mistakes.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Oct 2009 5:42 #
  10. Revivalist
    member

    Nothing less then a traitor is a suitable word for such rulers!!! They don’t deserve to be called as rulers, they are indeed looters.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Oct 2009 6:32 #
  11. zingaro
    Member

    quaidkamazar .. you seriously need to read the books of media principles.. my dear the original role of media is to point out the mistakes and not to praise .. for praise there are people like you available all the time ....

    Same media is giving coverage to Musharraf now and now there is no problem to him ... Don't you see his lectures, statements, talk shows are being aired and now he needs the same media ... Bhai ab munaafqat chor do ...

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Oct 2009 10:36 #
  12. @quaidkamazar,
    its the other way around.
    some channels has been badly targeted by Mush .
    and in reaction they have make Mush their target .

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Oct 2009 10:45 #
  13. uovervinnelig
    Member

    There is no doubt Musharaf is responsible for this mess and worst characteristic he has is "khush fehmee". He thinks that he is the most intelligent person in the world but he is fool. Please have a look into following link..see what did he say in the last 10 years and how big fool he is...

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/03-all-the-things-he-said-ss-02

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Oct 2009 14:51 #
  14. raheb
    Member

    Beenai! first of all I have not made any fun of your name,(beenai means only your name?) HOW can you interprete in this sense ? OR you probably give more strength to what I said, as the again you need depth in your thinking- which calls real beenai (not your name).

    You are justifying your arguments "because most of the people are saying it" .........how funny and how innocent you are. Is this the criteria to see and measure?
    I stand for my post what I wrote earliar to you, read and think about it more, you need it.

    raheb

    You Basharat! did he say to anyone he is most intelligent person in the wrold? He may be or may not be, but you really need to raise your intelligence, Regards.

    raheb

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Oct 2009 20:07 #
  15. I wonder, who are those guys who posts these once off postings and then disappears.... just like, M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI????
    Establishment? ISI? or inn Political parties kay khareeday hoyee Qalum??

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Oct 2009 20:40 #
  16. quaidkamazaar
    Member

    zingaro,

    books of media principles?
    i wish this world was run By the boook.

    i praise Musharraf for his mostly good actions, not necessarily every single action he took... there are some things i can mention that he did totally wrong. im not Munafiq and blind.

    id rather put the blame of munafqat on people here who are so deluded and onesided that all what they have is hate for Musharraf, they never see the bright side of what he was doing.

    Musharraf does not think he is most intelligent in the world, its just that he has aire of confidence which scares the crap out of India, Taliban, and haters of Pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Oct 2009 0:43 #
  17. Mush is a loser at the end of the game .
    when he claims at one end that he is the ruler who is media lover and has given most independence to media than any one else ....
    on the other hand ,he has made a record in the history of Pakistan ,by banning all the independent media twice in his tenure .

    and some ppl are love in his media policy.
    i m surprised .
    how hypocrite a man can be as he was .

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Oct 2009 4:56 #
  18. expakistani
    Member

    Musharaf was like mods on Pkpolitics... and then media was playing role as lal bicho

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Oct 2009 5:06 #
  19. @expakistani,
    Wrong analogy !

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Oct 2009 5:12 #
  20. zingaro
    Member

    quaidkamazar .. my point of media principles was to say that media must always criticize. This is the only job of media. If governments are doing all good, media will have nothing to complain, but if there is every thing wrong, media must tell every body. This is not for opposition but because by this way honest leadership will realize their mistakes and will correct that. Not like Musharraf who opted to ban the media. Now the same feeling is there in present government's heart.

    I have observed your posts and you have always sided with Musharraf. Was BB right to say that she rejected Musharraf because he was a man of MQM?

    I don't want to comment on it more otherwise discussion will go away from the original route.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Oct 2009 17:39 #
  21. raheb
    Member

    Beenai, You ran away to tell HOW and by what criteria you judge people? ....if you have any criteria at all? OR it is only what majority says and majority can be of donkeys, are you also think in that way?

    raheb

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Oct 2009 21:17 #
  22. @Raheb,
    no my criteria is quite simple.
    i say ...what i see and feel .
    if Mush wasnt a loser ...than why we are facing this horrible state of affairs now ?
    its the outcome of his autocratic policies .

    see the difference....
    a democratic Govt ....has to get approvals of public in every step it does .
    most recent example is KL bill .
    Govt has been pressurized by public demand to the extent that foreign minister has to rush back to USA again for getting something done .

    if it would be a dictator like Mush..he would have approved this barbaric bill with the stroke of his pen.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 4:33 #
  23. raheb
    Member

    Beenai, that's good you accept your simple innocent ways to see the things. It is NOT important what we are looking towards, but important is WHAT we are seeing, because sometime what we are seeing is NOT there.
    Your criteria and to see and feel things are of general standard level and needs depth, to see underlies, to use brain cells, to have vision to see BEYOND what we see and believe is truth. AH! unfortunately such persons are rare on this forum. It is NO art to look and feel something and telling others.
    You views are superficial as you accepted and that is pity.

    raheb

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Oct 2009 20:05 #
  24. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    From all above analysis it is clear that running of the country should be done by those who are specially trained for that purpose otherwise Military Generals, who are trained just to kill or destroy the enemy, when they come to the power they do the same thing with their nation and they are very fond of wars and very interested in show of power with guns, such type of people may be very dangerous for the nation, army and world at large. It is also the responsibility of Army as an institution to clarify that why so much conveniently it becomes obedient to such rogue dictators.

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Oct 2009 4:54 #
  25. quaidkamazaar
    Member

    Beenai, why dont you try to look beyond what is just visible from the top.

    Musharraf is not responsible for the whole present situation. you talk as if even an ant dying today in Pakistan is because of Musharraf.

    there is a lot more in context of history that you have to look at. The creation of Mujahideen to every single thing that went on in AFghanistan in Soviet war. then role of ISI. there is just so many culminations of events and scenarios that you are overlooking in order to put all blame on shoulders of one man.

    history takes a u-turn and comes back to bite Pakistan. even if Musharraf had said no to this war on terror, US would infiltrate their troops in Waziristan after 9/11 because of their war hysteria anyways, things wudnt change chaos would remain.

    Musharraf was actually double dealing with the US, acting as ally on the top, while rebuilding Pakistan so it could stand up on its own.

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Oct 2009 6:37 #
  26. @raheb,
    rather getting personal with me ...it would have been better if u had came up with your super sensible advices and pieces of knowledge with poor us shallow minded ppl?

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 Oct 2009 6:39 #
  27. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    to operations against its own population, Pakistan Army has lost all support of people, this is the reason that due to policies of this dictator, daily so many soldiers and Police personnel’s are loosing their lives, Instead of protecting and helping to each other, Army and people of Pakistan are cutting throats of each other, Due to operation in FATA, Balouchistan, and operation of Lal Mosque, serious damage to image of army has occurred. This dictator did not know that only relation and link between different areas and sections of people of Pakistan is that of Islam, All energy and motivation of Pakistani nation comes from Islam, without that even survival of Pakistan is simply impossible, but this dictator was having no care of that, This is the reason that army and security forces have lost all motivation, and anti social elements are committing freely their crimes.
    Damage to Judicial system:

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 4:29 #
  28. but matter of the fact is that ,now we have no choice at all.
    we have to fight and die ...fight Or die.
    thanks to dictator Musharraf .

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 4:32 #
  29. raheb
    Member

    It surprises me you Beenai, even do not understand what is personal? While if you take it personal what I say then it is your Headache, because my intention is not. When I don't know you personal, can I be personal to you? Matter of thinking for you.

    When one becomes a truth knower, then at the sametime one put him/herself in a vulnerable position, Don't do it if you be hurted. You claim as a truth knower and keep insisting it, with confrontation you hide behind the word "WE", you and.............????
    That is WEAKNESS, because there is lack of Arguments.

    raheb

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 20:31 #
  30. @Raheb,
    i never claimed that 'i know all'...
    no2..whats personal ...can be judged by other members from your posts .
    u have failed to comment on the topic ,which is under discussion .rather u r commenting on me ...

    isn't true ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 5:17 #
  31. Adonis
    Member

    It is indeed a very bad reflection on the institution of army that someone of Musharraf's intellect and capability could rise to be Army Chief. The same army also previously had another similar army chief, mush's role model yahya Khan.

    This fundamental flaw in the promotion system of the army needs to be corrected so that idiots like yahya khan or musharraf get weeded out early in their careers.

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 5:33 #
  32. amin1924
    member

    They still have pretty much same colonial culture that their masters established on brown slaves.

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 5:35 #
  33. raheb
    Member

    Beenai! others cannot such a question of judgement. YOU see your way of thinking, you always hide behind words like "we" or "others", where are you yourself? Don't you know yourself what is personal?
    I have no reason to be behind or in front of you, BUT is it wrong to mention the way of thinking? What have you discussed about topic, NOTHING... only calling Mushraff bad, bad, bad,...come with argument asked you, "People says" your replied.
    I wonder how you and many of yours think? No wonder why we are there where we are....

    raheb

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 20:34 #
  34. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Damage to Judicial system:
    This under graduate General has caused serious damage to Judicial system of Pakistan, He was not knowing that in history when a dictator throw away any judge on street due to fair practices of justice then that Judge becomes the greatest judge of history, In Karachi on 12-05-2007,so many civilians were killed just to damage and abuse the Judicial system of Pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 9:27 #
  35. personal attacks against members ...deleted .
    personal attacks against me ........IGNORED.... .

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 11:52 #
  36. raheb
    Member

    NO body have attacked you personally Beenai. One can't do anything if one interprete in such a wrong way. Recieve the message clearly rather than take it on emotions, then you can find them helpful and in your favour

    raheb

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 22:29 #
  37. faisalabadsher
    Blocked

    No one had any problem with mush for first 9 years of rule and he even enjoyed popularity among those who are cursing him now. People-oops sheeps have short term memory

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 23:32 #
  38. raheb
    Member

    Exactly! ation is suffering from Schizofrenia.

    raheb

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 23:45 #

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