shafiq12
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i said music is one way of rest and recreation not the only way
first, please define what is rest, are you talking about physical rest or what....
but what about classical music or instrumental music
Can you post a video link, so that i can see what type of classical music or instrumental music you are talking about
gv
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i never used the word phsyical
what i mean is listening to music is a form of relaxation.
no i dont have a video link but here are a few of my favourite artists/genres: feel free to look them up.
Desi Classical/Devotional music: Abida Parveen, Pathanay Khan, Sabri Bros, Nusrat Fateh Ali, Iqbal Bano, Farida Khanum
Western classical music: Tchaikovsky, Ravel, Beethoven, Brahms, Schubert,
Other genres: flamenco music, Jazz
how are any of these artists/genres vulgar or obscene?
@raheb
I disagree, guy is making all sense.
He didn't say that music is bad, he was talking about what singers used to say with music. I liked his reasoning.
None of his points and reasoning was incorrect or illogical. It all made clear sense.
On which of his point you disagree?
A year ago i started a thread on same topic.
I dont think that Music is 'haram' in Islam. But everyone can see that this is the easiest way to spread 'fahashi' (and all its childern etc).
Words that feels shameful without music, everyone use to sing them when added music.
Music videos gives a good start to what feels shameful to do on screen.
To introduce a new short dress and then make it a fashion slowly still using screen, music (infact songs) is the gateway.
I talked about how music is being used now, but @oblivion pin pointed music itself as the bad thing and thread diverted.
'Music' + 'bad poetry' is what @oblivion should be talking about. Music is so attractive that it gives a cover to poetry without even noticing what is being said in it.
raheb
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Mulla oblivion! Come to the point, you are discussing me and attacking, but discussion is about music. Your answer is NOT unexpected.
H20........that's what I am saying, Music and words are 2 different things, but here spme mullas declaring that music is haram, without giving any reference from Quran. Bad words are always bad, with music or without music.
What about Qawali, Kirrat, Naat...? Good sound some hears good to ears is music. What if a Arab singing something in arabic, these same mulla's will delighted...but they may become to know that, that arab was a christian arab and singing a anti-islamic song. So make a difference between music and words.
shafiq12
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life h20
I disagree, guy is making all sense.
It good to see truth in your nature... A person of straight nature always agrees when truth is presented before him, on the other hand, A bigot person always agrees with his bigotry rather truth..... I know it's not good to attack person in public but i must say, Raheb is a bigot and his bigotory a will create problem for him in near future...
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Raheb
you are discussing me and attacking, but discussion is about music. Your answer is NOT unexpected.
You're living test subject for Music, As thread is about so there is nothing wrong in discussing you... Actually i am trying to tell people that you'r living example of music... how music has destroyed your mind let us see
1. You always talk with your prejuidice
2. You have problem in understanding
3. It's easy to make you angry
4. You don't think before you write
5. اگر کوئی سوال گندم کرے تو تم جواب چنا دیتے ہو
oblivion
you are going out of the topic i mentioned in the begining does music like sufiana kalaam allowed in Islam.Every thing haS two prospectives good and bad why are you only showing bad side of music? we all knows that such kind of music cann't be allowed in Islam.My question is about music only music.
we can use music in a optimistic ways like petriotic songs,hamad and naats etc its give u a good and positive feeling and anything which make u close to Allah pak aur humanity how it can be wrong?
shafiq12
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saher
does music like sufiana kalaam allowed in Islam
Tell: What makes you think that sufian Kalaam is music?
sorry my question was not fully explained but i meant that does the music in which we add sufiana kalam or use sufiana lyric is allowed in Islam? Basically my question is about good and constructive music I mentioned sufiana kalam specially because i want you guys to also look a positve side of music.but i m still confused what Islam say about music because many different opinions of islamic scholars makes it a mystery
Its true MUSIC has a power which can brings revolutionS and even make us close to Allah then why we deny it
NNL
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No reply from the Advocates of Music in any form ?
The Nabi said its applies to every from of music.
Any poetry which contains Shirk or Bidah in the matters of Aqeedah and Shariah then its shirk and bidah.
People can praise Sufiyana Kalam but by most experiences i have had it s mostly shirk.
Music in all its form is Haram whosoever debates its has to prove that the Statements regarding the Explanation of the Akham of Quran by Rasool Allaah Sallaaho Alayi wa Alaa Alayhi wa Sallam are wrong or incorrect.
The burden of Proof is on the ones who claim it to be permissible.
If they deny the hadith then their Islam is invalid and thereby none care what a kafir says about Islam.
"I know it's not good to attack person in public" You always do it as a habit.
I am repeating again as earlier, it is not music you should be hating, it is poetry and you know what kind of poetry it is.
Music is purely abstract, it is different for everyone. Your like dislike about is totally your personal.
I didn't like what Zakir Naik or other famous scholars said, but that guy was awesome, he said it all perfectly.
raheb
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The problem is yet NOBODY clearly defined what music it, and those mulla mentalities like nnl who declare music as haram, in fact talking about poetry, the text...but music is NOT text. So here they show "how" clever they are?????
Mulla NNL: interconnected either one should agree with his Fatwa, or consider himself as hadeth mukir..........so poor smart chap you are.......
i DO NOT AGREE with it as a hadeth, because I do not believe that it is a hadeth, the words of Prophet.....
So burden of prof is on Mullah to prove that this is a correct hadeth?
If this is written by Bukhari, then I do not agree with Bukhari, and it do not automatically means that I do not agree with Prophet, because it is written by Bukhari not by Prophet.........SO I totally disagree with Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmazi, Dawood and so on and on....as long as they wrote fairy tales which do not have ny support in Quran, because it cannot be the words of Prophet, because Prophet did not say or did anything against Quran.
As Nowhere Quran has told us that music is Haram, then Prophet did not have said it either.........by that one should be fully disagree with any hadeth collector whatever his name is. ENJOY MUSIC.
The scholars across the board rule the Quranic term "lahwal hadith" is music and singing according to 31:6 and famous hadith by Ibn Masud RA.
Furthermore, we have:
There will be those of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful: fornication, the wearing of silk, wine drinking and the use of musical instruments..' The words, 'seek to make lawful', shows that music is not permissible. Furthermore the prohibition of music is mentioned along with major sins like drinking and fornication. [Bukhari]
A people of my Ummah will drink wine, calling it by other than that, it's real name. Merriment will be made for them through the playing of musical instruments and the singing of female singers. Allah will cleave the Earth under them and turn others into Apes and Pigs. [Ibn Majah, Abu Dawood and Ibn Habban]
There are Hadeeths by Haakim Al Mustadrak, Musad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and Majma uz Zawaaid that say 'Two cursed sounds are that of the wind instrument and that of wailing upon the occurrence of adversity.'
@barakosama
Oblivion also said that according to Quran whistling and clapping is also haram.
NNL
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That's so sad that priests like Saul Raheb Paul have no defense. None whatsoever.
So you don't deny the words of Rasool Allaah Sallaaho Alayhi Wa Alaa Alayhi Wa Sallaaho so then bring the explanation of the Quran from him and bring one authentic Hadith to prove that music is not haram. Just one !!
But the fact of the matter Priest Raheb Saul/Paul has no evidence none whatsoever to his point except his own brain fa-rts cos he denies that the words of Rasool Allaah Sallaho Alayhi Wa Alaa Alayhi wa Sallam. For him they don't exist at all. The retarded priest Saul Raheb Paul believes that words of Rasool Allaah Sallaaho Alayhi Wa Alaa Alayhi Wa Sallaam don't fall under the protection of Allaah Azza Wa Jal.
Priest Saul Raheb Paul Rasool Allaah Sallaaho Alayhi Wa Alaa Alayhi Wa Sallaam explained the Quran bring one evidence to prove that my statement of wrong.
The people of Ahle Sunnah wa al jammaah have their evidences what do you have priest Raheb Paul ?
shafiq12
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@barakosama
Oblivion also said that according to Quran whistling and clapping is also haram.
lifeh20 it good to see, you're back on your way of dishonesty .... I never said it, i had given you exact reference where it is said, who said it, and why --- Here is exact quote
Imam IbnTaymiyyah said, "Listening to music and sinful fun are among what strengthens the satanic ways the most. This is exactly what the disbeliever's used to do. Allaah said, And their prayer at the House (of Allaah) was nothing but Muka 'an and Tasdiyah. [8:35]. Ibn Abbas, ibn Umar and others said that Tasdiyah is clapping of hands, and that Muka'an is whistling. This was the Mushrikeen's way of worship. The Prophet and his companions worshipped Allaah , according to His order, in their prayer, reading the Qur'aan and Dhikr (supplication). It never occurred that the Prophet and his companions gathered to listen to singing that is accompanied by clapping or using drums.
http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/music#post-179459
It is imam IbnTaymiyyah who said, i know barakosama has great respect for imam IbnTaymiyyah.... So what you're asking for...
i saw some references which i like to share all of u
Narrated Abu Musa: "That the Prophet said to him 'O Abu Musa! You have been given one of the musical wind-instruments of the family of David.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues of the Qur'an, Volume 6, Book 61, Number 568)"
Let us look at Noble Verse 4:163 "We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms."
Let us look at Noble Verse 17:55 "And it is your Lord that knoweth best all beings that are in the heavens and on earth: We did bestow on some prophets more (and other) gifts than on others: and We gave to David (the gift of) the Psalms."
In the above Saying (Hadith) and Noble Verses, we clearly see that Allah Almighty did send the Book of Psalm to Prophet David peace be upon him. We also see that Allah Almighty called that Book a gift. If Allah Almighty allowed David peace be upon him and his followers to sing and play music, then how could we then claim that music is sinful and prohibited?
First let us define what the word "Psalm" or "Psalms" mean:
A collection of sacred poems forming a book of canonical Jewish and Christian Scripture.
A sacred song or poem used in worship; especially : one of the biblical hymns collected in the Book of Psalms
@Oblivion
I think I asked you about clapping and whisteling giving reference of a Quranic Verse, and you said that clapping and whisteling is also not allowed.
Muslims must also remember that when Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him reached the Holy City of Madina from the Holy City of Mecca with hazrat Abu Bakr; the Muslims played music and sang the famous Islamic song "Talaa El-Badru Alayna" which means "The full moon had come upon us."
In sahih Bukhari, this event is recorded:
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 268:
Narrated Aisha:
That once Abu Bakr came to her on the day of 'Id-ul-Fitr or 'Id ul Adha while the Prophet was with her and there were two girl singers with her, singing songs of the Ansar about the day of Buath. Abu Bakr said twice. "Musical instrument of Satan!" But the Prophet said, "Leave them Abu Bakr, for every nation has an 'Id (i.e. festival) and this day is our 'Id."
And then in Bukhari, another Hadith relates a connection between musical instruments and the family of David (saw). Further evidence that, indeed, the Psalms were musical in nature:
Volume 6, Book 61, Number 568:
Narrated Abu Musa:
That the Prophet said to him' "O Abu Musa! You have been given one of the musical wind-instruments of the family of David .'
@saher
First point.
The book of Psalms is a revelation like Quran, Torah, etc. as per Islamic belief. In Xtian belief Psalms is a book of songs revealed onto Dawood AS. A revealed book in Islam is recited not sung.
Second point.
Recitation of Dawood AS is well known in tradition. Even birds used to stop to listen while he saddled the horses and finished the Zaboor recitation. Abu Musa Ashari RA was a great qari of Quran so Prophet SAW compared Abu Musa's larynx (musical wind-instruments) with that of Prophet Dawood AS.
The Prophet SAW said "Embellish the Quran with your voices!" meaning that one should recite it melodiously. And he SAW once said, after listening to the recitation of Abu Musa al-Ash'ari RA, "He (Abu Musa) has been given one of the flutes of the House of David". When this was reported to Abu Musa, he said, "O Messenger of Allah SAW! Had I known that you were listening, I would really have embellished it!"
You see, there are no man made musical instrument in the hadith you quoted, it is in fact the voice box that has been used figuratively and that only for the purpose of reciting Quran.
AND WHAT LL U SAY ABOUT SAHIH BUKHARI AND AN EVENT WHEN HOLY PROPHET(P.B.U.H) REACHED MADINA FROM MECCA(THE DESCRIPTION I MENTIONED ABOVE)
shafiq12
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I think I asked you about clapping and whisteling giving reference of a Quranic Verse, and you said that clapping and whisteling is also not allowed.
Pardon me but I think you've serious problem in understanding. Isn't it music? --- Now read this quote 10 times -- especially the highlighted
"Imam IbnTaymiyyah said, "Listening to music and sinful fun are among what strengthens the satanic ways the most. This is exactly what the disbeliever's used to do. Allaah said, And their prayer at the House (of Allaah) was nothing but Muka 'an and Tasdiyah. [8:35]. Ibn Abbas, ibn Umar and others said that Tasdiyah is clapping of hands, and that Muka'an is whistling. This was the Mushrikeen's way of worship. The Prophet and his companions worshipped Allaah , according to His order, in their prayer, reading the Qur'aan and Dhikr (supplication). It never occurred that the Prophet and his companions gathered to listen to singing that is accompanied by clapping or using drums.
hkbajwa
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The anti-music lobby continues to point to hadith etc, but fails to explain how any verse in the Quran outright bans music.
Fact is that it is only when one reads the quran through the filter provided by the hadith (the veracity of which can always be questioned) that one can possibly come to the conclusion that music is haraam.
I have always found it funny that people insist that the UNCHANGEABLE and 100% AUTHENTIC words of the Quran, guarded by the Almighty himself, MUST be read through the filter provided by sayings and words which are LESS RELIABLE and UNGUARANTEED by the Almighty himself.
Do you not realize that by viewing something authentic through a filter whose authenticity CANNOT be guaranteed, the authenticity of the message can be warped.
The music example is great to illustrate this in fact. In the verse mentioning music, it is clear that the verse is referring to ALL FORMS OF FALSEHOOD. However by applying the filter of the hadith, one arrives at a completely different result which singles out a specific form of communication and places emphasis which is not in the Quran.
Now what should one believe?? That which can be understood directly from the Quran, or that which can be understood via the hadith?
Please note that God has advised Man to follow the Sunnah in case of doubt regarding the meaning of the Quranic verses. This is to prevent conflict. However nowhere is it made imperative that the Quran cannot be understood without the hadith. That is a falsehood propagated by salvation peddlers who cannot find any other way to twist the words of the Quran.
When something can be understood directly from the words of the Quran then that is sufficient. This additional brackets added by scholars are NOT the word of God and thus NOT binding on believers.
shafiq12
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The anti-music lobby continues to point to hadith etc, but fails to explain how any verse in the Quran outright bans music.
The anti-music lobby continues to point to hadith etc, but doesn't know that, bajwa, the giant of intellectualism, dispenser of Justice, a Vanquisher of Evil, Hero to the city of music, doesn't believe in hadith
@hkbajwa
Fact is that it is only when one reads the quran through the filter provided by the hadith (the veracity of which can always be questioned) that one can possibly come to the conclusion that music is haraam.
B I N G O
That's exactly it!
It is hadith which actually demos Quran otherwise you would have no clue about the detail of performing prayers, hajj, burying your dead, etc. Quran says about wuzu, wash your face and hands but hadith prescribes a full process including the feet and head. Quran says lashes for unmarried **** while hadith says lashes and banishment from the dwelling. Quran does not give grandmother a share of inheritance but hadith gives her 1/6.
You could even potentially marry your grandmother because Quran does not prohibit it but hadith does:
And marry not women whom your fathers married – except what has been done in the past: it was shameful and odious – an abominable practice indeed. Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, daughters, sisters, your maternal and paternal aunts, the daughters of your brothers and sisters; your mothers who have suckled you and your sisters through fosterage, the mothers of your wives, your step-daughters raised under you born of your wives with whom you have lain – no offence if you have not lain with their mothers, and the wives of your begotten sons, and two sisters in wedlock at the same time, except for what has already happened. Allah indeed is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Also [prohibited are] women already married, except those whom your right hands possess; this is a written obligation upon you from Allah. (4:22-4)
@saher
Good point.
The Duff beating comes on three occasions in hadith and these are the only situations classic ulema allow it:
1) Eid
2) Wedding
3) Welcoming returning people to town
On all three occasions the Prophet SAW did not prohibit duff and this is the position taken by most scholars.
NNL
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Hk
you wrote
.The anti-music lobby continues to point to hadith etc, but fails to explain how any verse in the Quran outright bans music.,
1. If you are going by that logic then the Anti Hadith Lobby has yet to prove how do they give Zakat or how do they make their Salat based on the explicit verses of the Quran.. Prove that as your point like bring evidences You shout Quran this Quran that Dude bring an evidence from the Quran ? buddy you so far havent even brought one thing to counter it. Many things are derived from the Quran and then Explained by the Nabi. So where does your argument end ? please bring your head out from where there is no sunshine into the light buddy.
I have always found it funny that people insist that the UNCHANGEABLE and 100% AUTHENTIC words of the Quran, guarded by the Almighty himself, MUST be read through the filter provided by sayings and words which are LESS RELIABLE and UNGUARANTEED by the Almighty himself.
How incredibly dumb of you.
In case you have chosen to overlook the Ayah where Allaah Azza wa Jal says
بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ وَالزُّبُرِ ۗ وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الذِّكْرَ لِتُبَيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ مَا نُزِّلَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَلَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ ﴿٤٤﴾
“And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad صلىالله عليه وسلم) the Dhikr [reminder and the advice (i.e. the Qur’aan)], that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought”
So here is the thing
If the Explanation is done by Allaah Azza wa Jal thru His Messenger Sallaaho Alayhi wa Alaa Alayhi wa Sallaam then isnt the Messenger speaking/repeating the SPOKEN WORD OF ALLAAH AZZA wa JAL and if he is doing that THEN HE IS SPEAKING THE WORD OF ALLAAH AZZA wa JAL WHICH IS GUARANTEED BY ALLAAH AZZA wa JAL THAT HE WILL PROTECT IT.
I mean how dumb can you be to believe that the Sahih Hadiths are not protected. ?
I mean Allaah Azza wa Jal says I will Protect Quran i.e MY WORDS and HE REVEALS it to the Messenger WHO IS EXPLAINING THE WORD OF ALLAAH Azza wa Jal via the PERMISSION OF ALLAAH Azza wa Jal so does it make sense to protect the original word and leave the explanation unprotected even though one has authored both ?
Quran is Protected and so is its explanation. They both go hand in hand. PERIOD.
If you have a counter Argument THEN BRING EVIDENCES FROM THE QURAN otherwise .........
Please note that God has advised Man to follow the Sunnah in case of doubt regarding the meaning of the Quranic verses. This is to prevent conflict.
EVIDENCE for your statement please Where does Allaah Azza wa Jal say that Please show me in the Quran where does Allaah EXPLICITLy says that ? Bring evidences buddy or admit you have none and are speaking without knowledge and therefore are just trying to make reasons not to follow the Commands of Allaah Azza wa Jal.
However nowhere is it made imperative that the Quran cannot be understood without the hadith. That is a falsehood propagated by salvation peddlers who cannot find any other way to twist the words of the Quran.
When something can be understood directly from the words of the Quran then that is sufficient. This additional brackets added by scholars are NOT the word of God and thus NOT binding on believers.
What a load of BS if that is the case then what does the Ayah that i have quoted mean ?
Here Allaah Azza wa Jal ( THE ONE WHO SENT THE QURAN DOWN ) is saying that I HAVE SENT YOU YA MUHAMMAD SO THAT YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT TO THEM
And you are trying to add your own **** to it. without any evidence none whatsoever.
You have no evidence or proof of any kind none whatsoever except you just dont want to follow the Commands of the Nabi and thus defecting from Islam.
I can give you many Evidences from the Quran where Allaah Azza wa Jal says that Follow the Nabi and you have nothing to counter it.
Again useless talk with no concrete evidences of any kind just brain fa-rts on your part.
@barakosama
You never posted anything in Sher-o-Naghma thread?
@LifeH2O
Indeed I have. But I'm not of the tola to make my actions legit and I dun islamize my wrong doings as some folks here are out to prove their fondness of music is perfectly in line with quran o sunnah, not me!
shafiq12
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NNL
yet to prove how do they give Zakat or how do they make their Salat based on the explicit verses of the Quran
It is very simple they don't give zakat and don't offer salath as procedure isn't mentioned in quran--
;)
barackosama
The Duff beating comes on three occasions in hadith and these are the only situations classic ulema allow it:
1) Eid
2) Wedding
3) Welcoming returning people to town
On all three occasions the Prophet SAW did not prohibit duff and this is the position taken by most scholars
WHY scholars only allowed music in these three conditions?
it may be bcz its use in good and positive way.i am saying the same thing.if music use in a good direction how it can be wrong?All the thing which do matter is lyrics not music
Isn't it sound strange that music is allowed in eid,wedding and welcoming to people but prohibted in hamad ,naat ,pitriotic songs etc .WHY?
if its also create a optimistic impact on human sike then why we disallowed it.According to my view the basic thing is "neeyat"(intentions) how we muslim can ignored it.
we muslim strongly believe on "Ammal ka deromadar neeyatoo per hain "then why this statement not apply their? why on particular area?
WHY scholar only allow in these three conditions?
Coz the Prophet SAW did not forbid duff when it was used and those were the occasions.
Now if you want to extend the case to sting guitar on those or other situation, it's your call and thus not the sunnat.
but guitar or other instruments wasn't introuced on that time.
then how we can say its not allow
So it's duff only and only on those occasions and no more. Why so? we dunno .. we dunno why chicken, lama, water buffalo or deer are not allowed for qurbani but goat, sheep, camel and cow are, we dunno why roza or namaz is faraz, but they are. We dunno why drums, flute and others are disallowed while these existed back then but he SAW did not mind duff. We dunno why silver ring is allowed on men but gold is not!
We should note that the use of duff is specific to women because on all those ocassions only women and young girls were using duff and hence you see in nasheed and stuff women beating on duff and NOT men! That's how sunnah works i.e. largely specifically.
Al-Qurtubi has mentioned in his al-Jami li ahkam al-Quran (vol.14, p.54) a statement from al-Qushayri[3]: Musical instruments were played in front of the Prophet (to welcome him) during his first arrival in Madina and Abu Bakr wanted to scold and reprimand those who were playing the instruments but the Prophet stopped him saying: leave them alone O Abu Bakr so that the Jews (of Madina) will also learn and know that our religion is relaxed and accommodating! Thus, the women of Madina continued to play the instruments singing we are the daughters of Najaar! How excellent and wonderful it will be to have Muhammad as a Jaar (neighbour)! Al-Qurtubi goes on to say: It has been said that the ruling regarding the use of drums (tabl) in wedding celebrations is the same as the use of tambourine (duff). The same applies to all other forms of instruments used in wedding celebrations. It is permissible (yajuz) to use them as long as the lyrics or verses of the song are not offensive or profane (rafath) (see Ahkam al-quran of Ibn Arabi vol.3, p.1494).
Ibn Hazam (of the literalist school and a respected Salafi scholar) writes in his al-Muhalla (vol.9, p.60) that the Prophet said: All actions are judged according to intentions and every person will get what he has intended for. Thus, (Ibn Hazm argues) a person who listens to music with the intention of disobeying God will be judged a sinner. This applies to all other things apart from music. However, if a person listens to music with the intention of relaxing himself so that he can be strong and active enough to engage in the obedience of God he will be judged as a good and obedient person and his action (of listening to music) is valid. If a person intents neither obedience nor disobedience he will be judged as a person who has engaged in laghw (pointless action) which is excused and overlooked (by God). It will be treated in the same way as a walk in the park (tanazzuh
This appears to be the position of the Hanafi scholars They hold the view that playing musical instruments will be allowed when it does not lead to immoral behaviour (ghayr al-mustashni) and it will not affect a persons testimony or his reliability in a court of law. They defined immoral behaviour (al-mustashni) as those forms of dancing that are categorised as major sins.
The Maliki scholar Ibn Arabi (not Ibn Arabi the Sufi but the hadith scholar) also expresses a similar view in his Ahkam al-quran that it is just as permissible to use a drum as it is allowed to use a tambourine to celebrate weddings, similarly all other instruments used to announce and celebrate weddings are allowed as long as the singers do not use offensive lyrics.
raheb
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oblivion!!!!!!!!!"Raheb is a bigot and his bigotory a will create problem for him in near future... "
You are threatning me,,,, you must be careful in your choice of words,...I take it as a direct threat........of whatever believe or faith I have,,,, but such wordings are alarming directly towards me,,, and I have right to defend and take action......I ask Mr Moderator to take notice of oblivion's words.....
shafiq12
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modern mullah raheb
You are threatning me,,,, you must be careful in your choice of words,...I take it as a direct threat........of whatever believe or faith I have,,,, but such wordings are alarming directly towards me,,, and I have right to defend and take action......I ask Mr Moderator to take notice of oblivion's words.....
I ain't threatening, i am giving you the solution which will help you understand other's people views.... Don't look all the world in prism of your bigotry and prejudice. Try to understand other's people views
raheb
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Obli.......you are so disrestectful person yet you claim yourself as good muslim?????????
Why should I understand others views? How many views of mine have you understood............ZERO.00000000000000
Because you already know the truth, and just want I should adapt your blind truths........is that you call to understand? That will NEVER happen.
Yet I have talen you words seriously as a threat " a personal threat" to me, and I have every right to persue the channal to tell you and teach you that you simply cannot and should not threat people who do not agree with your Mulla'ism.
shafiq12
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Obli.......you are so disrestectful person yet you claim yourself as good muslim?????????
Now, you've dig a hole for yourself. I am going you to bust badly. First always remember.. Respect Isn't Given, It's Earned!. Now if we see closely your quote, we will find, you can't write "respect" properly. How could you know what is respect... See, you have written "disrestectful person" -- What does disrestectful mean in your quote. On what prejudice you're saying i am "disrestectful person".
yet you claim yourself as good muslim?????????
Now come this part of your quote. I've got no idea what "آئیں بائیں شائیں " you are talking about. I never claimed to be good muslim in my whole life. See, how music has damaged you brained even you yourself don't know what you'r talking about. Do you've any evidence where i claimed to be best.
Why should I understand others views?
To finish off your bigotry and prejudice.
How many views of mine have you understood............ZERO.00000000000000
If you act as bigot then people will act as bigot. It is natrual
Yet I have talen you words seriously as a threat " a personal threat" to me, and I have every right to persue the channal to tell you and teach you that you simply cannot and should not threat people who do not agree with your Mulla'ism.
There nothing personal in this strictly business. I am giving you the cure yet again you are asking about sickness.
@saher
I'm interested in the view point in your camp i.e. al-shia. Please shoot.
raheb
Member
Ha Ha Ha!!!obli!! you find a spelling mistake and got proud of it, it shows....your calibre.
I understand that you cannot understand me,,,,,,,, by this IQ you have, you can not even understand simple basics,,,, so I finish to go any discussion with you as you are a wastage...
...but probably I will see you soon, as stupids like you one must have a meeting face to face -----if you dare.
shafiq12
member
.but probably I will see you soon, as stupids like you one must have a meeting face to face -----if you dare.
Have you courage to face me in real world, on the other hand, on internet you can't face me. like i said, you're badly busted.... See, i tell you how music has damaged your brain.
1. You don't know what you're talking about
2. Where you run out of argument, you just write this comment
so I finish to go any discussion with you as you are a wastage...
3. Music has damaged your life so much that you write poor english with spelling mistakes. See you've written.
disrestectful person
4. If you want to quit such mistakes in future, you've to leave music
5. Try to be realistic, Music has made you to live in a fantasy world and to make hollow claims, like you said, i claim to be best muslim
you claim yourself as good muslim?????????
barackosama
shoot whom?
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