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  1. Hussain Farooqui

    Materialistic progress in the West is admirable. However, the declination of cultural and social values are undeniable.

    Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2012 13:05 #
  2. Hussain Farooqui

    adnak sahib

    The Islamic teachings give principles to form flexible laws according to the changing conditions. The principles are permenant but the laws are naturally changeable as per the changing conditions.

    Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2012 13:09 #
  3. Javed Sheikh

    Cultural and social problems are the by-products of materialistic Development.
    Amazing progress at other vital sectors is not effected by A lesser evil.

    What is better?
    Big Progress with lesser evil----or---
    Big evil with lesser progress?

    Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2012 13:12 #
  4. Hussain Farooqui

    There are rise and downfall cases of societies in the history of the world. Very developed societies had downfall when their social and cultural values declined. Similarly, many backward societies had great rise when their social and cultural values evolved.

    Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2012 13:19 #
  5. fear

    Dear Javed Shaikh
    You got to be kidding with me. Read your above article "Evaluation"... You are symbolizing western civilization with technology and science--------- in fact Science and technology Isn't product of west----- Honestly I am not getting your problem. I think your neuron are misfiring. ---- I am very sorry to say.. No one in Muslim world has ever opposed science and technology--- remember, what happened to scientists in west. You won't find such incident in Islamic history... Muslim's do't oppose science and technology--- They oppose evil in their civilization--see, I am impressed by the educational standard and technological advancement of the west but in reality they are dead inside---------- western civilization is dominated by evil. It have its positive points but they were negated by the demerits. We should look for a better a way--- Western culture isn't solution of our problem--- May be it will feed your desires but not your soul---- I hope you would get my points

    Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2012 13:39 #
  6. فارغ جذباتی

    ادناک جی

    امریکا میں کوئی بھی شخص جو امریکا میں پیدا نہیں ہوا ، چاہے اپنی پیدائیش کے دو گھنٹے بعد امریکا آ گیا ہو ، صدارتی انتخاب میں حصہ نہیں لے سکتا ، تو کیا اس حساب سے تمام امریکی شہری برابر ہیں .
    امریکا میں جو لوگ جیل میں ہوتے ہیں انکو تو حق رائے دہی سے بھی محروم کر دیا جاتا ہے ، تو کیا یہ برابری ہے

    ف ج

    Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2012 13:42 #
  7. adnak

    FJ_Pak jee

    آپسے گھما پھرا کر اتنی کمزور اور غیر منطقی دلیل کی امید نا تھی

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/muslim-brotherhood-1#post-415260

    Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2012 14:04 #
  8. Javed Sheikh

    Dear Fear,

    on all social, moral, cultural, scientific and education sectors,

    ----they are 75% Alive but 25% dead
    ----where
    ----we are 15% alive and 85% dead

    Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2012 14:05 #
  9. Shirazi

    @FJ_ Pak Saab

    I fully agree with you. Not just that anyone under 18 cannot vote, anyone under 25 cannot run for Congress and anyone under 35 can't be President in America.

    What kind of equality is that?

    :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2012 15:13 #
  10. fear

    Dear Javed
    If I reveal my true thoughts about West----you will not be able to bear the truth--- The only gold west has, is knowledge, but what you need is seer's eye not knowelge

    Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2012 17:38 #
  11. فارغ جذباتی

    ادناک جی

    آپ اگر بات نہیں سمجھنا چاہتے تو آپ کی مرضی ہے ، میں لوگوں کو یا آپ کو خوش کرنے کیلئے تبصرہ نہیں کرتا

    میرا نکتہ یہ ہے کہ ہر معاشرے اور نظام اور نظریے کے اپنے اپنے برابری کے اصول ہوتے ہیں جو کہہ دوسروں کی نظر میں کچھ اور ہو سکتے ہیں

    امریکی آئین اور قانون بھی امریکی شہریوں کے مابین اپنے حساب سے برابری کی تعریف کرتا ہے اور اس حساب میں سارے لوگ ہر چیز میں برابر نہیں ہیں . مجھے اس سے مسئلہ نہیں ہے کہ وہ امریکیوں کا مسئلہ ہے .

    اسی طرح اسلام میں برابری کے اپنے اصول ہیں اور اسلام جب انکا اطلاق کرتا ہے تو کسی امریکی مالشیے کو اس پر اعتراض نہیں ہونا چاہئے

    ف ج

    Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2012 18:34 #
  12. Javed Sheikh

    Dear Fear,
    You must share the Truth to educate rest of the members at the Forum.
    Unfortunately, due to difference of ethical and moral standards, a qualification in Islamabad could be a disqualification in New York.
    What is moral at Lal Masjid, could be immoral n London.
    What is Ghairat in Pakistan, could be a crime in Canada.

    Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2012 19:14 #
  13. Abdul Rahman

    Fear Bhai,

    "The only good west has, is knowledge."

    I disagree with this statement. Real Knowledge for us is false knowledge for them.

    Knowledge is pure like a glass of clean water. If you add a drop of lime juice it is impure water. Same with knowlege. Knowledge without Divine guidance is like Pharoahs knowledge that was proved fake when he confronted Musa AS. Pharoah confronted Musa AS with a group of his reputed magicians. The science of magic was at its peak during that era and hence the duel between Musa AS and Pharoahs magicians. Nothing has changed since then. The scientists are modern day magicians as science and technology is its peak these days.

    Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2012 19:47 #
  14. adnak

    Fear jee

    Rahman jee has not learnt to agree with any sensible comment. Bye for the day.

    Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2012 19:54 #
  15. Abdul Rahman

    adnaki, My comments are based on real source of knowledge-Aleem that is name of Allah SBT. Whoever is close to that source is worthy of being called knowlegeable. The rest is fake knowledge that might give you a loaf of bread in this world but zero in hereafter.

    Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2012 20:05 #
  16. Hussain Farooqui

    The money used in the technological development of the West was mostly collected from Africa. Most of the thick forests of Africa were cut to generate income for the West. Similarly, Africans were abducted from their coastal areas to be used in the early development of America. The real natives of North America, South America and Australia were subjected to genocides. These are all facts behind the development of the Western society.

    We owe obligations of the technological developments to the Africans, original inhabitants of Americas and Australia.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Dec 2012 5:19 #
  17. imtiazahmed

    Abduul Rehman:

    Moses AS was a prophet so Allah bestowed miracles. After Muhammad SAW no prophet would come till the judgment day. So we can not compare apple with orange.

    There is no doubt, Jews and Christians remained overt and covert enemies of Muslims. They are the same today big time. So Muslims had to remain aggressive and ready to fight evil forces all the time - those days Muslims were far better in technology and war technics as well. WE ARE NO WHERE TODAY. When the Greek philosphy was adopted by our scholars, there was a break to our materialistic technology. The West knew the reality that key for dominance lies in technology they adopted this real key.

    Only two or three Muslim countries have realized this bitter fact (Malaysia, Iran and Bangladesh). They do not believe in analyses like we are doing in here. They are not wasting time, they are trying to produce for their counties without confronting West.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Dec 2012 5:47 #
  18. adnak

    Rahman jee

    "The rest is fake knowledge that might give you a loaf of bread in this world but zero in hereafter"

    Such wordings are the peculiar Dramay Bazi to befool masses by Molana hazrat who keep on running after the money whole of their lives even if they had to leave their mother land and dear ones. To keep content the suffering and poor masses, they give promises to the suffering poor of returns in lifeafter but dollars and more dollars is their own goal in their own lives.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Dec 2012 5:50 #
  19. fear

    I disagree with this statement. Real Knowledge for us is false knowledge for them.

    Dear Abdul Rahman. You took my statement out of context. If you read it with context you will find i am saying the same thing---- I am talking about Seer's eye --- -----Knowledge is a familiarity with someone or something, which can include facts, information, descriptions, or skills acquired through experience or education---- The west is more advance in science and technology as compared to Muslims--- So they possess something good which we must learn from them--- Take good leave Bad ---------- It is true that their civilization is dominated by evil------

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Dec 2012 6:13 #
  20. fear

    You must share the Truth to educate rest of the members at the Forum.

    Dear Javed Shaikh, What is truth --- Truth has so many versions--- Should I share the truth you got

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Dec 2012 6:26 #
  21. Javed Sheikh

    Dear Fear,
    That was your call:
    "If I reveal my true thoughts about West"

    I am waiting for the Truth, you are holding.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Dec 2012 13:09 #
  22. fear

    Like I said, you will not bear and all Maslshis of west will die with shame--- for the moment please consider this verse

    یورپ میں بہت روشیِ علم و ہُنر ہے
    حق یہ ہے کہ بے چشمہ حیواں ہے یہ ظُلمات
    رعنائی تعمیر میں رونق میں صفا میں
    گِرجوں سے کہیں بڑھ کے ہیں بنکوں کی عمارات
    ظاہر میں تجارت ہے حقیقت میں جوا ہے
    سُود ایک کا لاکھوں کے لئے مرگ مُفاجات
    یہ علم یہ حِکمت یہ تدبُّر یہ حکومت
    پیتے ہیں لہو دیتے ہیں تعلیمِ مساوات
    بے کاری و عُریانی و مے خواری و اِفلاس
    کیا کم ہیں فرنگی مَدنیّت کے فتوحات
    وہ قوم کہ فیضانِ سماوی سے ہو محروم
    حد اُس کے کمالات کی ہے برق و بُخارات

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Dec 2012 14:22 #
  23. Javed Sheikh

    That was Allama Iqbal's wishful thinking during a period when he was trying to treat the inferiority complex of Indians, during the Independence Movement.

    Very soon he had to acknowledge the superiority of the West:

    فردوس جو تیرا ہے کسی نے نہیں دیکھا
    افرنگ کا ہر قریہ ھے فردوس کی مانند

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Dec 2012 19:56 #
  24. Abdul Rahman

    That was sarcastic use of word firdaus. It does not mean West is superior. Iqbal already witnessed the "firdaus" in Germany and knew where it was heading. That "firdaus" ended in World War II that killed 56 million and Germans/Europeans are still reeling from its aftermath. Have you heard about the demographic catastrophe sweeping Europe?

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Dec 2012 20:37 #
  25. adnak

    Rahman jee

    "My comments are based on real source of knowledge-Aleem that is name of Allah SBT"

    On the contarary, your comments are based on hatred for Muslims who do not believe in terrorism or against all the non-Muslims who also Makhlooq of Allah.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Dec 2012 21:50 #
  26. Abdul Rahman

    "On the contarary, your comments are based on hatred for Muslims who do not believe in terrorism or against all the non-Muslims who also Makhlooq of Allah."

    Wallahi, my comments are based on sympathy not hatred for maqlooq including animals and minerals. Muslim is required to hate the evil actions not personality. I try to follow Prophet Alahis Salaam who was Rahmat Al Alameen. OK. I admire you as a human being but hate your support of war criminals and their actions.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Dec 2012 21:57 #
  27. adnak

    "I admire you as a human being but hate your support of war criminals and their actions"

    I too admire you as a human being but hate your malish and support of terrorists and their actions.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Dec 2012 22:02 #
  28. Abdul Rahman

    typo. Change it to freedom fighters.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Dec 2012 22:29 #
  29. fear

    Very soon he had to acknowledge the superiority of the West:

    Dear Javed...

    اقبال کے خیال میں تہذےب حاضر نے جھوٹے معبودوں کا خاتمہ کیا ہے لیکن اس کے بعد اثبات حقیقت کی طرف اس کا قدم نہیں اُٹھ سکا ۔ اس لئے اس کی فطرت میں ایک واویلا پیدا ہو رہا ہے۔
    دبا رکھا ہے اس کو زخمہ ور کی تیز دستی نے
    بہت نیچے سروں میں ہے ابھی یورپ کا واویلا

    اس مادہ پرستی نے یورپ کو اخلاقی انحطاط سے دوچار کیا ہے۔ اسے خبر نہیں کہ حقیقی راحت مادی اسباب میں نہیں روحانی بلندی میں ہے۔
    ڈھونڈ رہا ہے فرنگ عیش ِ جہاں کا دوام
    وائے تمنائے خام ، وائے تمنائے خام

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 7:33 #
  30. adnak

    Rahman jee

    "freedom fighters?"

    Freedom from God to mercilessly kill innocent creatures og God? Freedom to kill the creator of the Talibani cult, Col Imam? Freedom to kill innocent girl Malala? Freedom to kill anyone at will?

    By the way, do your illiterate masters know anything else than to kill Allah's Makhlook?

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 7:55 #
  31. fear

    dear adnak, freedom from malshis

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 8:07 #
  32. adnak

    Fear jee

    Please tell this to Rahman jee as he believes that God needs his Malish for him?

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/us-announces-150-million-for-mangla-dam-expansion/page/4#post-415834

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 8:17 #
  33. fear

    dear adnak
    He doesn't know Urdu well -- I mean he isn't good with urdu-- right

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 8:23 #
  34. Javed Sheikh

    Muslim Brotherhood:

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 10:12 #
  35. fear

    مہا مالشی برادر ہڈ
    ادناک ، میٹھا سچ ، جے اے، بےبس ادناک

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 10:20 #
  36. junaid

    "dear adnak
    He doesn't know Urdu well -- I mean he isn't good with urdu-- "

    AR is saying that we need to obey God not the creations.
    seems like beyond their sarcasm and hard to understand for the so called secular

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 10:26 #
  37. fear

    Malish is a bad word Junaid bhai, we shouldn't use if for creator-- I think Abdul Rahman is using this word it for "worshipping" -- Malish and worship are two different thing-- Malish is a heinous word...
    ---
    Here we have different species of malishis. I am working on them. Soon i will come with theory of malish

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 10:31 #
  38. Javed Sheikh

    تھیوکریسی میں قانون بھی عالم بالا سے نازل ہوتے تھے اور ان کو
    مقدس اور واجب تعظیم بنانے کیلئے خدا کا نام بڑی کثرت سے استعمال کیا جاتا تھا۔ مثلاً فرعون اول منیز (3400 ق م) جب بالائ اور زیریں مصر کو ملا کر اپنی سلطنت قائم کی اور پہلا قانون نافذ کیا تو یہی دعوی کیا کہ یہ ضابطہء قانون مجھ کو خداند قمر (توتھ) نے عطا کیا ہے۔ منیز کے جانشینوں نے اس پر اکتفا نہ کی بلکہ خدائ اختیارات خود سنبھال لئے۔ وہ رب ع
    ظیم آمون رع (سورج) کے بیٹے بن گئے۔ اس ناتے وہ مصریوں کے مذہبی پیشوا بھی تھے اور ریاست کے سربراہ بھی۔
    خدائ قوانین کے نزول کا طریقہ بھی قریب قریب یکساں تھا۔ عالم بالا تک رسائ ممکن نہ تھی لہذا پہاڑ کی بلندی عالم بالا کی علامت ٹھہری اور بادشاہوں کو احکام خداوندی پہاڑ کی چوٹیوں پر عطا ہونے لگے۔ مثلا شہنشاہ حمورابی (1792- 1750 ق م) کے آئین کی جو کندہ شدہ لاٹ پیرس کے عجائب گھروں لوور میں محفوظ ہے اس کے بالائ منظر میں خداوند شمس پہاڑ کی چوٹی پر کھڑا حمورابی کو آئین کا خریطہ عطا کر رہا ہے۔ واضح رہے کہ حمورابی کا آئین دنیا کا سب سے پہلا تحریری آئین ہے۔
    (نوید فکر)
    Syed Sibt-e-Hasan

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 10:33 #
  39. J.A.Khan

    Javed Sheikh Saheb

    A very nice piece of knowledge, indeed. Some people might declare you now a perfect Kafir, for you highlighted this wonderful piece of knowledge. Many of such people can't realize that there is difference between acquiring knowledg and having any faith. Thank you so much.

    By the way, if this gentleman Sayed Sibt-e-Hassan is from Karachi, then I know him.

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 11:06 #
  40. Hussain Farooqui

    Jihad conducted with the American aid was not expected to produce any different results. The Capitalistic versus Communist war was named as a Jihad. We were service providers of the West against the communist empire.

    I remember about the articles of the Time Magazines of that era. They named the Afghan freedom fighters as ‘Mujahideen’ and the war as ‘Jihad’. The Time Magazine acquainted the Western public about these two terminologies of the Arabic language.

    A real Jihad will produce very positive and different results.

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 11:25 #
  41. J.A.Khan

    Hussain Farroqui Bhai

    Also I remember that. I read that in German magazine 'Der Spiegel' while having my holidays in Cannes, in South of France with my French Lady.

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 12:46 #
  42. Hussain Farooqui

    Yes Brother,

    In those days the Arabic words 'Jihad' and 'Mujahid' were introduced and booste in the Western media. The fighters were declared as great heroes. Mr. Ronald Regan introduced the Afghan fighters in a White House reception as the 'heroes of the century'.

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 12:52 #
  43. EasyGo

    حسین فاروقی بھائی اور جے ایے خان بھائی

    تو ہمیں کیا کرنا چاہیے، کل انکے کہنے جو ہیرو تھے آج انہی کے کہنے پر انھیں ولن سمجھنا شروع کر دیں

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 13:26 #
  44. J.A.Khan

    EasyGo Bhai

    Jo ham sab ko kerna chahiey wo ham sab apnai apnai tahaffuzat ko iss forum kai zariey ba rooai kaar laatai huwey ker rahai hen. Yani iss Zalmana Nizaam kai chahnai waalon ko zehen naseen karwa rahai hen, keh jab mulk hi nahin rahai ga, tau phir ye sab kia karen gai, merai Bhai l

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 Dec 2012 14:18 #

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