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Muslims Vs Jews

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  1. mylove-Pakistan
    Member

    Extracts of speech by Hafez A.B Mohamed: Director-General, Al Baraka Bank.
    Demographics:
    o World Jewish Population. 14 million
    o Distribution: 7 m in America
    5 m in Asia
    2 m in Europe
    100 thousand in Africa
    o World Muslim Population: 1.5 billion
    o Distribution: 1 billion in Asia/Mid-East
    400 M in Africa
    44 M in Europe
    6 M in the Americas
    o Every fifth human being is a Muslim.
    o For every single Hindu there are two Muslims
    o For every Buddhist there are two Muslims
    o For every Jew there are 107 Muslims
    o Yet the 14 million Jews are more powerful than the entire 1.5 billion Muslims

    Why?

    Here are some of the reasons.

    Movers of Current History
    o Albert Einstein Jewish
    o Sigmund Freud Jewish
    o Karl Marx Jewish
    o Paul Samuelson Jewish
    o Milton Friedman Jewish

    Medical Milestones
    o Vaccinating Needle: Benjamin Ruben Jewish
    o Polio Vaccine Jonas Salk Jewish
    o Leukaemia Drug Gertrude Elion Jewish
    o Hepatitis B Baruch Blumberg Jewish
    o Syphilis Drug Paul Ehrlich Jewish
    o Neuro muscular Elie Metchnikoff Jewish
    o Endocrinology Andrew Schally Jewish
    o Cognitive therapy. Aaron Beck Jewish
    o Contraceptive Pill Gregory Pincus Jewish
    o Understanding of Human Eye. G. Wald Jewish
    o Embryology. Stanley Cohen Jewish
    o Kidney Dialysis Willem Kloffcame Jewish

    Nobel Prize Winners
    o In the past 105 years, 14 million Jews have won 180 Nobel prizes whilst 1.5 billion Muslims have contributed only 3 Nobel winners

    Inventions that changed History
    o Micro- Processing Chip. Stanley Mezor Jewish
    o Nuclear Chain Reactor Leo Sziland Jewish
    o Optical Fibre Cable Peter Schultz Jewish
    o Traffic Lights Charles Adler Jewish
    o Stainless Steel Benno Strauss Jewish
    o Sound Movies Isador Kisee Jewish
    o Telephone Microphone Emile Berliner Jewish
    o Video Tape Recorder Charles Ginsburg Jewish

    Influential Global Business
    o Polo Ralph Lauren Jewish
    o Coca Cola Jewish
    o Levi's Jeans Levi Strauss Jewish
    o Sawbuck's Howard Schultz Jewish
    o Google Sergey Brin Jewish
    o Dell Computers Michael Dell Jewish
    o Oracle Larry Ellison Jewish
    o DKNY Donna Karan Jewish
    o Baskin & Robbins Irv Robbins Jewish
    o Dunkin Donuts Bill Rosenberg Jewish

    Influential Intellectuals/Politicians
    o Henry Kissinger , US Sec of State Jewish
    o Richard Levin, PresidentYaleUniversity Jewish
    o Alan Greenspan , US Federal Reserve Jewish
    o Joseph Lieberman Jewish
    o Madeleine Albright , US Sec of State Jewish
    o CasperWeinberger , US Sec of Defence Jewish
    o Maxim Litvinov , USSR Foreign Minister Jewish
    o DavidMarshal , Singapore Chief Minister Jewish
    o Isaacs Isaacs, Gov-GenAustralia Jewish
    o Benjamin Disraeli, British Statesman Jewish
    o Yevgeny Primakov, Russian PM Jewish
    o Barry Goldwater , US Politician Jewish
    o Jorge Sampaio, President Portugal Jewish
    o Herb Gray, Canadian Deputy - PM Jewish
    o Pierre Mendes, French PM Jewish
    o Michael Howard, British Home Sec. Jewish
    o Bruno Kriesky, Austrian Chancellor Jewish
    o Robert Rubin , US Sec of Treasury Jewish

    Global Media Influential
    o Wolf Blitzer, CNN Jewish
    o Barbara Walters ABC News Jewish
    o EugeneMeyer , Washington Post Jewish
    o Henry Grunwald, Time Magazine Jewish
    o Katherine Graham , Washington Post Jewish
    o Joseph Lelyeld, New York Times Jewish
    o Max Frankel, New York Times Jewish

    Global Philanthropists
    o George Soros Jewish
    o Walter Annenberg Jewish

    Why are they powerful? why are Muslims powerless?
    Here's another reason. We have lost the capacity to produce knowledge.

    o In the entire Muslim World (57 Muslim Countries) there are only 500 universities.
    o In USA alone, 5,758 universities
    o In India alone, 8,407 universities
    o Not one university in the entire Islamic World features in the Top 500 Ranking Universities of the World
    o Literacy in the Christian World 90%
    o Literacy in the Muslim World 40%
    o 15 Christian majority-countries, literacy rate 100%
    o Muslim majority - countries , None
    o 98% in Christian countries completed primary
    o Only 50% in Muslim countries completed primary.
    o 40% in Christian countries attended university
    o In Muslim countries a dismal 2% attended.
    o Muslim majority countries have 230 scientists per one million Muslims
    o The USA has 5000 per million
    o The Christian world 1000 technicians per million.
    o Entire Arab World only 50 technicians per million.
    o Muslim World spends on research/development 0.2% of GDP
    o Christian World spends 5 % of GDP

    Conclusion.
    o The Muslim World lacks the capacity to produce knowledge.

    Another way of testing the degree of knowledge is the degree of diffusing knowledge.

    o Pakistan 23 daily newspapers per 1000 citizens
    o Singapore 460 per 1000 citizens.
    o In UK book titles per million is 2000
    o In Egypt book titles per million is only 17

    Conclusion.
    o Muslim World is failing to diffuse knowledge

    Applying Knowledge is another such test.
    o Exports of high tech products from Pakistan is 0.9% of its exports.
    o In Saudi Arabia is 0.2%
    o Kuwait , Morocco and Algeria 0.3%
    o Singapore alone is 68%

    Conclusion.
    o Muslim World is failing to apply knowledge.

    What do you conclude?

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 15:56 #
  2. ucsher
    Member

    The essence of the discussion here would be:
    Mushrikoon ke liyay allah ne dunyavi kamyaabiyan rakhi hain, hum aakhirat ke Einstines hain or horoon pe experiment karien gay ;)

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 16:04 #
  3. chechen
    Member

    That statistics does not mean anything. All that shows is materialistic pursuit devoid of Divine wisdom. Let them enjoy in this world. By the way who is that clown from Al Baraka bank. That riba based bank is involved in interest and is not a good example. They are blood sucking banks that you see all over the world. These interest based banks are reason for the current economic meltdown that has devastated the economies especially of poor countries.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 16:06 #
  4. @chechen
    If you look through the list you may come accross that some of the inventions are mere improvements. A lot has been challenged lately and is being challenged recently. I have taken note of the list. It only proves that the jew (zionist) who is only 2.5% or even less, of the total american population is not only in control of disinformation, the rest of the USA and the developed world are idiots.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 16:13 #
  5. chechen
    Member

    Just one example of Zinoist control. The wall street investor Bernie Madoff, a Jew siphoned off $50 billion from investors. It was one of biggest fraud in world economic order in recent history. And we are impressed by their success?

    http://www.counterpunch.org/khan09272008.html

    An Islamic Perspective
    Meltdown in American Markets
    By LIAQUAT ALI KHAN

    Call it the consequences of irresponsible American invasions, call it the irrational exuberance of short sellers, call it the catastrophe of subprime lending, call it the mismanagement of leveraged products, blame it as you may, American markets are facing unprecedented meltdown and doomsayers see little promise in the federal bailout package. Ironically, the Wall Street has noticed that Shariah-compliant investments--which avoid speculative risk and debt-ridden greed--have fared much better in these troubled markets. In the past few years, Shariah-compliant investments in Western markets have grown to more than half a trillion dollars.

    Islamic financing is attracting huge academic curiosity. Many experts participating in the 8th Harvard University Forum on Islamic Finance held this past April wondered if Islamic financing could have prevented the meltdown that American markets are facing primarily due to mortgage debt and mortgage-backed securities—now known as "toxic investments." This legal commentary highlights the two fundamental principles of Islamic financing that I presented at the Forum.

    High Risk Investments

    The Quran prohibits al-Maysir or speculative risk, warning the faithful to avoid games of chance in which the probability of loss in is much higher than the probability of gain (2:219). Shariah-compliant investments, therefore, avoid speculative risk, including interest rate options, naked equity options, futures, derivative and numerous leveraged products purportedly designed to hedge investments. Many of these financial products attract speculators in hopes of making quick money. When trusted fund managers, under institutional pressures to show profit, resort to speculative risk, hedge investments turn into suicidal strategies for financial destruction.

    In pursuit of greed and thrill, straightforward investments in companies engaged in socially useful activity has become unattractive, even boring, because of their presumably lower rate of return—frequently a self-fulfilling prophecy. Billions of dollars are dumped into companies that promise huge profits but produce nothing. While Islam would allow risking investments in socially beneficial research projects, it prohibits investments in companies peddling alcohol, tobacco, pornography, debt, and weapons—products that undermine our health and safety.

    Some investment strategies rampant in the markets are not only morally corrupt but socially harmful. Short sellers, for example, make money when companies collapse and close. Turning the conventional logic of investment on its head, short sellers wish companies to crash rather than prosper for they make most money when companies go bankrupt, workers and employees lose jobs, and pension funds evaporate through declining company stock. Such cynical investments, touted as useful forces that balance the market, are contrary to Islamic law.

    Interest-Bearing Debt

    In addition to prohibiting high risk investments, the Quran also prohibits no risk investments. The prohibition against riba, interest on loans, is strictly forbidden. Islam does not prohibit passive investments. Nor does it prohibit giving interest-free loans. Debt is not contrary to Islamic law. Charging interest is. Although some experts argue that usury, and not interest, is prohibited under Islamic law. Most Muslim scholars agree, however, that interest on loans is contrary to the Shariah.

    Refuting arguments that money has time value or that interest is analogous to profit, the Quran offers a categorical principle that “trade is permitted but interest is not.” (2:275). The prohibition against interest was revealed not only to save the poor from unscrupulous lenders but also to deter investors who demand a set return on their investments and decline to take the risk of engaging in useful trade.

    Contrary to Islamic principles, lending in general and subprime lending in particular was predestined to harm American financial markets for two distinct reasons. First, debt braced with high interest was being extended to persons who simply could not afford to pay back loans. This was usury. Second, the real estate mortgage was no longer a prudent investment decision, since numerous investors were trading in real estate with inflated prices. Investment bankers and other geniuses on Wall Street were securitizing mortgage debts, turning them into interest-bearing securities. These fancy securities began to fail when their underlying assets were foreclosed or deflated. The debt turned deadly and its holders bankrupt.

    Shared Destruction

    Between the prohibited limits of maysir (speculative risk) and riba (no risk), however, Islamic Law permits creativity in financial markets where investors mobilize surplus monies for the production and distribution of halal (Kosher) goods and services. These permissible markets are neither risk-free nor prone to irresponsible risk. Though innovative and authentic, the markets are infused with the values of fairness, transparency, and reasonable profits. They are free of predatory practices that corrupt transactions with greed and inflict hardship on the poor, the elderly, and the novice.

    The federal bailout package that the Bush Administration is selling as a quick cure of all problems will only aggravate the underlying cancer of interest-bearing debt. It is unlikely that the infusion of more money will reform institutions and companies built on layers of interest-bearing debt. When the best and the brightest are engrossed in finding ways to make money with money, and no more, the system may look creative and intelligent but it is geared toward shared destruction.

    Ali Khan is Professor of Law at Washburn University in Topeka, Kansas.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 16:19 #
  6. @chechen
    Very well done.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 16:26 #
  7. @chechen
    Just to name a few, Hepatitis, Syphilis, understanding of the Human eye, I thought were known to us since a very very long time with a cure ofcourse. Remember who came up with the theory that light enters a human eye and not emerges from it, as was believed a very long time ago. It is news for me that the jews had invented/discovered all this. This all adds up to similar efforts of the zionist/illumaniti lobby to draw up patents for turmeric and basmati. What a joke!

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 16:34 #
  8. skyfacts
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    mylove-Pakistan,

    experience Also Matters,

    You must analyse this phenomena that jews as a religion have oldest religion on this earth as compared to the chris and muslims.And as a nation they have lot more experiment on this planet than the currently available religions.
    This is the natural process of human experiments that experiments faces as a community or group have more tendacy to be transfered to the next generation.
    The situation may be more clear by observing the stretegies by the jews with the ISLAM, just after the emergence of ISLAM and muslims have to made great effort to cope with problems created by the jews and finally they were set to exile by the muslims from different areas of ARAB.
    The great haulocast they faced due to the fact that they always had a dominitive style to control every part of this planet, to their desires.
    You may be wondered if you read the history of islam ,how they put their efforts to completly destroy muslims ideaology.
    Through Lawrance of arabia and Hasan bisabah they tried to divide muslims and break their unity before they emerge.
    Later on this policy of divide and rule was also adopted by the christistians against muslims.
    To excel in technology and than grip the unexperienced one religions was also a very preplanned approach to achieve their goals in future.
    But.........they forget always one reality....nature has its own rules for this planet.....and you cannot survive going against nature here.....so they must face another haulocast by muslims.......to made their SAZISHAIN AT END.

    Further analysis of this phenomena will be much usefull,from any one.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 18:15 #
  9. Muslim world is more fertile then our counterparts but we are busy in Geo-Politics and are fighting the battle of survival against Jews and the crusade from the west!

    Zinda rahaoe gay tou agay kuch karoo gay na!

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jun 2009 18:19 #
  10. skyfacts
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    Some facts must be realised,that we are fighting a war to survive.
    And the main thing is that this war is not to survive as Pakistani,but to survive as muslims.
    This nationalisation playes a big part in dividing the UMMA concept and the attackers want it to divide muslims by NATIONALISATION.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jun 2009 10:31 #
  11. mylove-Pakistan
    Member

    @ucher, chechen
    Our religion not only promises us of the best in the eternity but also says us to do our best in this materialistic world. There are multiple versus of the Holy Quran and Ahadis which says about achieving the best in science and technology.

    @semirza
    Yes, I agree that in the past muslims contributed a lot to the science and technology but in the past few hundred years we did nothing.

    @skyfacts, khan_sahib
    we can survive only if we have the best in science and technology. Also we should have the best policies to deal with the challenges of the world. Coz nowadays the style of wars is different, it not only with weapons but with policies.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jun 2009 13:37 #
  12. Sahnaz
    Member

    Well there r many verses which contradicts each other and most of scholar knw this n ths why all hv their own interpretations and thts why common man is confused.

    frm starting we failed to distingush between duniyavi and spiritual world. we still dnt knw wat we want?? if we gonna keep like this we will get nthing. we need a reformation now. we need scientists, philoshphers, doctors, engineers. we do need a free society of all evils(dnt start to lecture on wat is evil??).
    if sm1 want to be a Spiritual leader he/she can be but shudnt allow to interfere in political decisions.
    i think we r habitual of consipiracy theories n to blame jews,chritian n hindus fr our own problems. but never want to c our own flaws.
    if we dnt hv doctors,engineers,scientists and basic infra-structure in our country how can be blame others. if ideology is keeping us backward how can we blame on others?? its a need to courselves in a light with a open mind. where we went wrong and why we r in this situation. i think u will get many ans rather thn consipiracy theories.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jun 2009 15:14 #
  13. Babu_Jee
    Member

    JEWS WOMEN ARE BETTER THEN MUSLIM WOMEN IN BED AND THATS WHY ISRAEL IS SENDING JEW CHICKS TO SEDUCE OUR LEADERS AND OUR INTELLECTUALS.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jun 2009 15:48 #
  14. Sahnaz
    Member

    Babu Jee

    Women r women dsnt matter wat religion, cast,sect,country they belong to. women r not mere a sex object only.well if u cant respect them thn atleast dnt insult them.
    thnx

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jun 2009 15:57 #
  15. NNL
    member

    Well there r many verses which contradicts each other and most of scholar knw this n ths why all hv their own interpretations and thts why common man is confused.
    =================================================

    You got PROOF if yes THEN U BACK IT UP.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jun 2009 16:36 #
  16. @NNL
    Bravo NNL, I had a feeling this wont go unnoticed. Now the verses are in contradiction, what next.......

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jun 2009 17:06 #
  17. NNL
    member

    Arey seriously these people really want to just make claims and then run away

    Some people have made their passionate passtime in abusing the Sahabas, Mocking the Quranic Ayats and Calling Muhammad (saas) as wrong.

    Hide behind the curtain and then shout u are extremists and fulan and fulan,

    Well here is one for you ya sissies. Who think that they are intelligent enuf to critisize the Quran, the Prophet(saas).

    May Allah freeze the blood in their vains and keep them alive to know how it feels like. (I could not find any Duaa against them that is softer than this).

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jun 2009 17:13 #
  18. chechen
    Member

    Sahnaz wrote "Well there r many verses which contradicts each other"

    Little knowledge is dangerous. This is what happens when you only get "bandar ki aulaad" secular education devoid of God Almighty. There is no contradictions whatsoever. Prophet SAS himself challenged the pagans of Arabia to its infallibility and that challenge extends up to dooms day. No crackpot scholar wil be able to point any contradiction unless he is out there to malign the word of God. and the punichment is very severe. Sahnaz, please be careful what you write

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jun 2009 17:14 #
  19. NNL
    member

    They usually try to **** you off and make you angry so you start off on a completely different tangent.

    The idea is to sit back and rethink cos the Answer is in teh Quran itself.

    I really dont know why these fools dont understand the very essence of the idea central to the Dogma of Religion Islam.
    Its SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF ALLAH. you can question the laws, understand but you cant consider one law to be left out and completely disregarded cos it doesnt make sense to you. A Man isnt made to be perfect. There is only one perfect Being ALLAH

    You want to do something outside the LAws of Allah you are welcome to do so but please also understand that you arent anymore in the realm of Islam so why bother even calling yourself Muslims.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jun 2009 17:22 #
  20. @Chechen
    'Sum-un, Buk-mun, Um-yun, fa-hum-la-yurja-oun'............

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jun 2009 17:23 #
  21. Sahnaz
    Member

    Well i nevr run away and i never do copy paste like one of u always do. i hv proof n i posted it on science in muslim world. well guyz by abusing others we cant improve ourselves. and reformation is a need of time. u guyz r still stuck with tht midveal time and this way u will get nthing. well u wanna post me tht article here or u can go to tht thread n read over there.
    thnz

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 3:57 #
  22. chechen
    Member

    Today I have perfected your religion and completed my bounty upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion." (Quran 5:3)

    No offence Sahnaz, It is crytal clear as per the words of Almighty that the Deen has been "perfected". We have to move forward with its total implementation and get over the hang up of contradictions that some deliberately keep harping about. NNL has confimed above that there is no contradictions whatsover. If we Nauzubillah say such a thing, it means the religion was NOT perfected. Sahnaz, Islam is perfected until the Day of Judgement and it is you and me who are not perfect. I would consider myself lot more imperfect than you.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 4:25 #
  23. Islam will be great only where the Muslims will be great.

    Islam would be accepted and acknowledged as perfect only where its followers prove to be perfect.

    How a wine could be declared as the best, where it has never been tasted and tested?

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 4:34 #
  24. Sahnaz
    Member

    Well wat i had to said i hv said already. now its upto u, me and all of us wat we think and wat we need. do we need improvement in our country, society n indvidual or just wanna to c dreams abt paradise(which dsnt hv proof if it exist anywhere??)
    thnx

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 4:40 #
  25. chechen
    Member

    which dsnt hv proof if it exist anywhere??)

    In that case there is no accountability whatsoever. If there is no hereafter then you and me are fools to be rightious. We should take 50, 80 years of our life to grab money, cheat, loot and enjoy to the full extent. If there is no accountability then there is no need to abide by any law. There are planets out there yet to be explored that may have life. You know the SETI- Search for extra terrestrial life are busy mapping the universe for possible life. Can it be one of our dream paradise? We will never know about it until we die.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 4:49 #
  26. mylove-Pakistan
    Member

    @sahnaz
    I am not a scholar of Quran, but I thin the message of Quran is clear and it is not that much complicated. Though, the traditional MOLVIs (who use it for earning) made it complicated to follow. Secondly, the aim of these statistics is not to blame to someone, it is just to show that we have not achieved what we should have achieved.

    @javedsheikh
    I agree, we should prove it with actions rather than speech.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 15:06 #
  27. umairbilal
    Member

    Agreed with Sahnaz's point. Religion is based on untruths and is not compatible with science. I dismiss Islam, Judaism as I dismiss all religion as it is the enemy to progress.

    The Arab conquest of the world saw the Arabs dominate much of civilization. You may give credit to religion. But take a deeper look. From the 9th to 11th century, almost a total of 2/3 of all scientific developments had Arab names. From algebra to algorithms and the vast number of stars that were discovered by the Arabs. All had Arab names. Would you credit religion for this? Not at all. It was when religion was less oppressive that Arabs managed to outpace the rest of the world. Europe was in the dark ages and under the grip of an oppressive Church.

    And then in came Ghazali. Religious scholars gained political power. The fall of Spain was also another catalyst. Mathematics was labeled as the work of the Devil by Ghazali and others. Books were burned. And science and progress were lost to the Arabs.

    It is not science that is intolerant to religion. It is religion that is intolerant to science for science is the death of religion. For science, religion is but the state of ignorance. It has no substance when we turn the lights on. It vanishes!

    Therefore, religion it self cannot take the credit. At the most it can the credit of not being oppressive. Please remember that "those who can be made to believe absurdities can be also made to commit atrocities." Faith cannot be put forth as a virtue.

    In Solidarity!

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 15:20 #
  28. NNL
    member

    Religion is based on untruths

    Care to reference it with Islam.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 15:40 #
  29. umairbilal
    Member

    NNL, let me clarify my interpretation about the major concepts of Islam

    How do I see the change made by Muhammad?
    ~Muhammad was a very revolutionary man. He saw people being oppressed in his society. He therefore stood against the oppressors for the oppressed. I have largely viewed that change as a historical advance over the system of tribal divisions that existed before Islam.

    Who is the writer of "Quran"?
    ~The Quran is a product of subjective reflection of revolutionaries over the objective conditions of 7th century Arabia. The writer of the Quran in my opinion is Muhammad. He provided his society with a revolutionary text which transformed the lives of many people.

    Are the teaching of Quran scientific?
    ~In relation to the development of medieval 'science' in Arabia, yes. In relation to the development of modern science, NO.

    Then what is "Miracle"?
    ~A phenomenon that is outside the scope of the laws of matter.

    What is story of "Mirag" Muhammad visit to Sky, Heaven etc. ?
    ~Its real social power lies not in its literal interpretation but in its symbolic value in relation to the power struggles of the time.

    What about Life after death?
    ~The imprints of your life in the memory of others is the only real lasting immortality (or life after death).

    What is Soul ?
    ~An idealistic concept denoting the essence of an individual that would rise ot the heavens or fall to hell after death. No evidence of the soul has ever been discovered.

    In solidarity!

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 16:02 #
  30. NNL
    member

    Who is the writer of "Quran"?
    ~The Quran is a product of subjective reflection of revolutionaries over the objective conditions of 7th century Arabia. The writer of the Quran in my opinion is Muhammad. He provided his society with a revolutionary text which transformed the lives of many people.
    =========================================
    If Muhammad (saas) was Quran's writer then how did he know the exact science which now discovered mentioned in the Quran.

    Can you explain that.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 16:05 #
  31. umairbilal
    Member

    Who says it is scientific are manipulating the many meaning of the words and twist the word to meet their claims,it is a very boring story that Quran has predicted what scientists discover now. Those who say it is scientific are manipulating the many meaning of the words and twist the word to meet their claims, it is a very boring story that Quran has predicted what scientists discover now.

    As I said, according to the norms of 7th century Arab society, Quran was a scientific book. You could even say that Quran is more scientific than the Bible because there was more science present at that time. For example, the Embryology theory in the Quran matches the ideas of Greek doctor Galen. Although in embrology the Quran never mentions the significance of female 'womb'. Galen existed before Prophet Mohammed.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 16:29 #
  32. Some recommended further reading:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/15563245/Quran-and-Modern-Science-Compatible-or-Incompatible-Dr-Zakir-Naik

    What is a soul?
    Consider a human when alive. All sorts of enzymes, acids are by default, secreted into his stomach as a digestive processes. They attack food but not the stomach itself.

    As soon as a human dies, the very same enzymes and acids attack the stomach and rapidly start eating it inside out.

    What prevented this when alive, and not when after the departure…………when a living being dies!
    I’ll leave it up to you to decide

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 16:29 #
  33. NNL
    member

    Umerbilal

    Thats all You got
    just plainly dismissing the entire thing without any proof.

    Or you got none at all therefore going all in denial?

    What about rest of the Quran its filled with details that Muhammad (saas) couldnt have known.

    Oh i forgot to mention that Muhammad was an illiterate so how could he have known all such things

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 16:34 #
  34. NNL
    member

    As for your talking about Galen theories they were again contradicted by Islamic Scholars.

    As for the Womb You are one helluva ignorant chap.

    We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance) Syrah 23 Ayats 12-14.

    Go read Embryology before you start talking!

    Stages of Fetal Development are mentioned and he whines for womb.

    lol

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 16:57 #
  35. chechen
    Member

    Umair writes: Although in embrology the Quran never mentions the significance of female 'womb'.

    Little does he know or bothers to know the full contents of teh glorious Quran.

    University of Toronto Profesor Keith has written extensively on the subject.

    http://www.islam101.com/science/embryo.html

    "He makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness."
    This statement is from Sura 39:6. We do not know when it was realized that human beings underwent development in the uterus (womb), but the first known illustration of a fetus in the uterus was drawn by Leonardo da Vinci in the 15th century. In the 2nd century A.D., Galen described the placenta and fetal membranes in his book "On The Formation of the Foetus." Consequently, doctors in the 7th century A.D. likely knew that the human embryo developed in the uterus. It is unlikely that they knew that it developed in stages, even though Aristotle had described the stages of development of the chick embryo in the 4th century B.C. The realization that the human embryo develops in stages was not discussed and illustrated until the 15th century.

    After the microscope was discovered in the 17th century by Leeuwenhoek descriptions were made of the early stages of the chick embryo. The staging of human embryos was not described until the 20th century. Streeter (1941) developed the first system of staging which has now been replaced by a more accurate system proposed by O'Rahilly (1972).

    "The three veils of darkness" may refer to: (l) the anterior abdominal wall; (2) the uterine wall; and (3) the amniochorionic membrane (Fig. 1). Although there are other interpretations of this statement, the one presented here seems the most logical from an embryological point of view.

    http://www.slideshare.net/Islamiculture/quran-and-embryology-presentation

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 18:01 #
  36. mylove-Pakistan
    Member

    @umairbilal
    http://www.badwanpk.com/ebooks/religion_amazing_quran.pdf

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 Jun 2009 19:01 #
  37. Sahnaz
    Member

    I wish if any of u hv medical majors when u wr in uni. dnt twist embrology with religious sites pages frm where r u doing copy n paste

    Modern science tells us that the formation of human embryo is a seamless continuation from conception to the birth; hence there are no hard-and-fast boundaries of stages as the Quran described. The Quran described 4 stages which match exactly with Galenic description of the development of the human embryo (which was proved wrong by modern science).

    According to modern embryologists including Prof. Moore of Canada, the tissue from which bone originates, known as mesoderm, is the same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and muscles begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the Quran tells us). Moreover, most of the muscle tissue that we human have is laid down before birth, but bones continue to develop and calcify (strengthen with calcium) right into one’s teenage years. So it would be more accurate if the Quran had said that muscles started to develop at the same time as bones, but completed their development earlier. The idea that bones are clothed with flesh is not only scientifically completely wrong/false, but was directly copied from the ancient Greek doctor Galen’s hypothesis.

    thnx

    Posted 2 years ago on 16 Jun 2009 2:05 #
  38. chechen
    Member

    Sahnaz says: The idea that bones are clothed with flesh is not only scientifically completely wrong/false, but was directly copied from the ancient Greek doctor Galen’s hypothesis.

    Seems shaitaan is manipulating your warped mentality in hiding or shying away from the truth. First of all, Professors like Keith had certain knowledge of Arabic before their conclusion. Our generations only know English from our former Masters and are clueless in the understanding of word of God. It was a deliberate attempt to keep us ignorant and away from learning and comprehending Quran. If we had known Arabic, we would have not made such blasphemous statements devoid of iota of truth.

    Posted 2 years ago on 16 Jun 2009 2:52 #
  39. Another great sanctuary for the Islamists after Dr Maurice Bucaille is the embryologist Dr. Keith Moore. He was the former President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists and professor Emeritus, Department of anatomy and cell biology, University of Toronto. When he was offered a faculty position in King Abdul Aziz University, right away he smelled the sweet scent of petro-dollars and plenty of it in Saudi Arabia. He worked with the embryology committee of the King Abdul Aziz University in Jeddah. His job was to interpret the many statements in the Quran and Sunnah referring to the human reproduction and prenatal development.

    Professor Moore's book The Developing Human, 3rd edition, has two different editions: the standard edition which is used in the west, and the "Islamic" edition which is used in some Muslim colleges. Comparing the two editions, it seems that not even Prof. Moore is sufficiently convinced by the scientific "facts" in the Qu'ran to risk his reputation as a prominent academic in the Western world. The Islamic edition (also in the 3rd edition) of his textbook is not even available in the British Library, nor can it be found in the US Library of Congress, nor in medical libraries in Western countries, presumably because he is aware that not only do the Islamic contributions to it contradict known science, but they also contradict what he himself has written in the standard version of his textbook.

    In the bibliography for the first chapter, "A History of Embryology" (in both the standard and Islamic versions), Professor Moore refers to J. Needham's definitive work: The History of Embryology. Dr. Needham, who has been recognized by most of the scientific community as a leading expert on the history of human embryology, was unimpressed with the Arabic claims of embryology. After writing over 60 pages about ancient Greek, Indian and Egyptian embryology he dismissed the entire Arabic tradition in less than one page, concluding that:

    "Arabic science, so justly famed for its successes in certain fields such as optics and astronomy, was not of great help to embryology." (J. Needham (Cambridge, 2nd edition), A History of Embryology, p. 77)

    After listing some of the verses in the Qur'an about embryology he dismissed them as merely:

    "a seventh-century echo of Aristotle and the Ayer-veda",

    Posted 2 years ago on 16 Jun 2009 7:08 #
  40. sasherwani
    Members

    We Muslims (of today's world) are nothing but haters. Instead of appreciating the Jewish in the numerous manners they have helped the world evolve, we are pinpointing the scams/scandals a small minority of them have been involved in. How can we be creative when we still havent passed the "denial and acceptance" stage. Shame on us. We really do lack education.

    Posted 2 years ago on 16 Jun 2009 8:54 #
  41. NNL
    member

    Lol

    Peter thats all u got lol

    The man was given awards and all u got is contradictions which u only claim to see by one chap.

    Lol

    Man it must irk you doesnt.

    Posted 2 years ago on 16 Jun 2009 12:35 #
  42. chechen
    Member

    Peterpan, Rantings of likes of you have failed to put a dent in the caravan of Believers flocking to the truth of Quran. Even the 9/11 drama, staged and orchestrated by the establishment to stop the pace of caravan has failed miserably. On the contrary it has accelerated the pace. Leave aside the Maurice Bucailles and Professor Keith's. It is the orinary folks that count more than those illuminaries. All through the centuries until the birth of peter, attempts were made to ridicule the message but it always had opposite effect.

    Your tribe is on verge of extinction. Nothing you can do to reverse it.

    Posted 2 years ago on 16 Jun 2009 12:59 #
  43. NNL
    member

    Sahnaz

    Dont make claims just cos you dont know who the other person is. You are so ignorant of embryology and developmental science that you dont even realize the intense nonsense you utter.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=IpUfBIujhUQC&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&dq=Muscle+or+Bone+forms+first&source=bl&ots=rZCaumg4AQ&sig=LkTUaAOrwoCJnU8-FNLTSEavH3g&hl=en&ei=Boo3Sqm0C6TcMPPD3ZgN&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9#PPA108,M1

    Posted 2 years ago on 16 Jun 2009 13:07 #

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