Dear Sir ,
plz sir dont get upset with me .....
let me give a try again to get through my view point to u .....
i am not ...i am not ...i am not at all upset with Election 2008 results ...
thats why i have started this thread to salute my Pakistani nation....
if u r talking in the context of PPP victory....why i shud get upset with PPP victory...
i have no need to ...the reasons are..>>>>>>>>
1.this victory was part of the deal ,Bw Mush and BB...remember she was keep saying i only admitt those results in which PPP wud be No1 and Nawaz league wud be No2 party....
how can she mention even No2 party ????
2.deal was on ,but still PPP havent done any miracles this time around...as were expected after BB s death ....oh i am sorry ...after her Shahdat (u may got upset again sir ..i cant afford to make u more upset by saying it a murder )it was expected an enormous response and turn out of PPP supporters ....it was not came out as that ...that s not what i am saying ...thats Aitezaz Ahsan was saying ....check out his interview with Sajjad Mir of Naway E Waqat at Waqat TV .....
example ....
even the constituency she was died or murdered ,PPP never won there ....
this constituency winner is Javed Hashmi of Nawaz League ...if i am not right ...go to result check section of Dawn or any website .....
3.there was a drop in the popularity of PPP after she striked a deal with Mush ,u dont agree ,go to international surveys published in our papers ....
4.u never ever going to draw ur support to PPP ...that i can say for sure .....
anyways u wud always been my elder ....senior and respecatble friend .....
thanks a lot
PKPolitics Discuss » Elections 2008 - General Discussions
My Hats off to Pakistani nation ..jayeee Pakistani
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Posted 4 years ago on 26 Feb 2008 4:39 #
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Rashid72
MemberDearest all ....................
aagay aagay dakhiay hota hay kia...............................sab GOOL MAAAL HAY ...........every thing for sale even morality even comittment with poor peoplePosted 4 years ago on 26 Feb 2008 8:47 # -
My dear beena,
For the same question,
I have nothing to add to my previous answer:
1. Still, PPP is capable to keep on refreshing its manifesto according to Future requirements.
2. You are adamant not to understand, why Z.A. Bhutto and BB still carry a reasonable vote bank.
3. Why don’t you advise someone to get sympathy vote for Liaqat Ali Khan, Zia-ul-Haq, and Zahoor Elahi, Hakeem Saeed or Sultan Rahi? ( you avoided this point)
4. PPP is not gone yet, so it is not past.
5. I will quit supporting PPP, when there emerges a party and leadership, better than the PPP under the existing circumstances. ( I guess you didn\'t notice this statement)
6. PPP cannot be killed, but by another and better PPP.
7. To eclipse Dilip Kumar we need another Dilip Kumar. To eclipse Lata Mangeshkar, another Lata Mangeshkar is needed.
(Shaheed or Non-shaheed is not an issue for me. This is just a psychological and mostly emotional expression for your favorites. I have great respect for Sir Ganga Ram, who was not a Shaheed. Some people don’t need these kinds of titles, like Chandi Ka Warq on a plate of rice-pudding)Posted 4 years ago on 26 Feb 2008 13:04 # -
andarkabandar
Membersour country is full of rats
the ppp rats are known rats. they have the biggest party in the country we have to respect that.the ppp have also had time to learn from thier huge mistakes but they are a moderate force and we need ppl like that in these uncertain times.
nawaz sharif ppp and mush together can make pakistan a better place to live in for all.
ofcourse they have to take orders from the USA but who is not taking orders form USA these days?Posted 4 years ago on 26 Feb 2008 13:23 # -
@Dear Shiekh Sahib,
i have put some fresh questions infront of u and u came up with the copy n pasting of the same post ...strange!
how i shud take it ?????
no1.u have no answers of my fresh questions....
no2.u have answers but dont want to share it with an open forum....
no3.u have answers but dont want to share it with me maybe if andarkabandar asks u ,u can definately answer him......Posted 4 years ago on 26 Feb 2008 13:48 # -
Dear Shiekh Sahib,
u have written....quote
Still, PPP is capable to keep on refreshing its manifesto according to Future requirements.again a fresh question....
is Roti,Kapra,Makaan is a fresh slogan or a 1970s slogan????
plz dont copy n paste ur previous posts....
if u have no answer of my question ..i am fine ....
thanksPosted 4 years ago on 26 Feb 2008 13:52 # -
My dear beena,
What question?
There is difference between question and concern.
The result of the recent elections has answered all of your questions.
Is this a question?
(Even the constituency she was died or murdered, PPP never won there ....
this constituency winner is Javed Hashmi of Nawaz League)
You mean that Ch. Shujaat Husain should have contested not from Gujrat but Model Town Lahore where his father Ch. Zahoor Elahi was killed?
What a logic?
Question # 2?
(this victory was part of the deal, Bw Mush and BB...remember she was keep saying I only admit those results in which PPP wud be No1 and Nawaz league wud be No2 party).
Here you are trying to prove if these elections were also pre-planned?
Then it is not a question but news. Why hats off to the Pakistani Nation, if according to your logic, it was also a DEAL? Very good.
Question # 3?
(Roti, Kapra, Makaan is a fresh slogan or a 1970s slogan????)
This slogan will stay fresh to our next 1000 generations, throughout the World. The improvement on its quality, will determine its freshness.
Question # 4:?
(.there was a drop in the popularity of PPP after she strike a deal with Mush, u don’t agree, go to international surveys published in our papers)
I agree. This -REALITY- should be a source of pleasure for you, not a concern.
Conclusion:
I will quit supporting PPP, when there emerges a party and leadership, better than the PPP under the existing circumstances. I should appreciate, who sings better than Mohammad Rafi.
End of the story.Posted 4 years ago on 26 Feb 2008 16:20 # -
@Dear Shiekh Sahib,
if literate and well aware ppl like u start blind following of corrupt laeders like Mr.10% ...
what anyone can expect from any ignorant ?
i am really disappointed to know that u r just like a ignoarant sitting in Nuedero ,chanting with his eyes closed jayee bhutto....Posted 4 years ago on 29 Feb 2008 5:26 # -
My dear beena,
The way you stretch, twist and drag a topic with --mixing and adding unwanted Garam Masala, without reference to the context, is enough to make the dish, a trash.
Your logic and trend of thinking based upon BB obsession, PPP phobia, Bhutto allergy, Bukhar-i-Zardari and raga of 10% cannot bring any convincing argument to your postings.
Applying you logic, it is possible where someone will come up with a conclusion that the defeat of PMLQ was the defeat of the Qauid-i-Azam.
The label of the Qauid-i-Azam brought curse to the PMLQ.
After paying your tribute as “hats off to the Pakistani Nation”,
With the same stroke of key, you declare them ignorant.
You need to select a direction and stick to that, to avoid contradiction.
One qualification turns to be a disqualification at your next thread.Posted 4 years ago on 01 Mar 2008 13:18 # -
@Dear Shiekh Sahib,
its a really good feeling to know that u r reading my posts so closely so u can analyze it like that .....
Dear Sir,
no1.i am not adding garam masala in my posts purposely or consciously...
it came just like that .....
i wud try not to add it again ......even unconsiously/.....
no2.label of Quiad e Azam has nothing to do with PML Q defeat ....
as Quiad e Azam never asked Chudhris to hold his position after his death....
but Bhutto did ....he handed over his party to his daughter n daughter to her hubby n so on so forth ........
so its not the same sir ...
when u r comapring PML Q with PPP ...
u r actually de grading ur own party ....
dont you ???????Posted 4 years ago on 03 Mar 2008 5:19 # -
@Shiekh Sahib,
i have initiated this thread to salute my nation ....
they r ignorant or not ...but they have actually voted and proved that they can change the circumstances ........
the wind of change is there ...and i meant to appreciate that change .....
which has definately accured ......
although PPP never win with that big of a margin ,as it was expected after BB s death..
that shows ...yes ppl are getting matured day by day .....
thanks to media ...thanks to Dr.Shahid,Hamid Mir,Talat Hussain,Kashif Abbasi n Nusrat Javed .........
i stand to my position ...
jayee Pakistani ......long live Pakistan.....
if u find any other contridiction in my post ...
plz let me know...thanks a lot sir!
All the Best!Posted 4 years ago on 03 Mar 2008 5:26 # -
My dear beena,
Your second posting is a contradiction of your first one.
Read it yourself again and analyze like an attorney.
(I have told so many times, it is very easy to be derailed and distracted when there is no direction and clarity of goal.)
1. You boast of supporting Pakistan, but oppose pro-Pakistan forces.
2. You boast of loving the Qauid-i-Azam, but support anti-Qauid-i-Azam School of thought.
3. You boast of being a sincere Muslim, but are confused on the interpretation of Islam.
4. You are a senior member of Pkpolitics Forum, but are incapable to understand the wisdom behind a DEAL and DIPLOMACY, one of the pre-requisites of Politics.
5. Even after a clear picture, you are still adamant not to accept the political status of the PPP and its leadership.
6. You pull --Hats off for Pakistani Nation---but refuse to respect the outcome of their action and decision.Posted 4 years ago on 03 Mar 2008 13:35 # -
@Dear Shiekh Sahib,
thanks for ur reply ......
u have agian blamed me for being contradictory.....
i really dont know ,how to make u believe that >>>>>
no1.i am not,i am not,i am not with PMLQ in any case ...any day...
no2.i am not ,i am not,i am not with Musharraf and Altaf mafia ....
no3.i am not ,i am not ,i am not accusing anyone to vote or not to vote for any specific party...
no4.our ppl are ignorant but they have proved that they r getting mature day by day .....
no5.i want to salute my ppl who has proved they r mature enough to differentaite Bw right n wrong
no6.i have sound facts and logical support to stand to my position as anti PPP ..
it might be the biggest party ...but that doesnt imply that it is the party of angels ...as u think of it ......they also have culprits in thier party ....they also have misused the power in the past ...they also have bad repo with Law n order and media curbs ....
so u just cant say i am opposing any party ,juts like that .....
no7.they have got the mendate in the Election2008,true ...very true ..i have accepted the fact ...but what they r doing with thier mendate ?
ppl has given the votes to PPP ,that imply they doersnt want MUSh ...
but what Mr.Zardari is saying and planing >/?
to sit with the same Mush ...his voter has rejected ....
so in that case ,thier voters s decision has become irrelivant ...
nill and void .....
i am not saying so ...but ur leader is proving so ...
thanks a lot sirPosted 4 years ago on 04 Mar 2008 5:58 # -
@but refuse to respect the outcome of their action and decision.
i am not refuing voters decision but i Zaradri is doing so ....if u look at it...removing the PPP love glasses from ur eyes for a nano second...tell me if Zaradri is going to sit with mush ?
do u start liking mush???praising mush>?just coz ur leader is sitting with him ....
then i am sorry ...i am sorry ...
in that case ..i auto matically be proved true in my stance ...simply.....i know the difference between deal and the wise desicions ...
it was a deal ....what was between Mush and BB....
believe it or not ...
see the international papers ...all calling it deal ...
not any other word is suitable for the scenerio ....
thanksPosted 4 years ago on 04 Mar 2008 6:04 # -
@ My dear beena,
A majority of Pakistanis, voted for the PPP, even being aware of the deal.
It was a political deal, not a murder.
The Mandate of the voters in Elections is just like giving the Power of Attorney to a person or party, showing full confidence.
Logically, it could be translated as vote in favor of the DEAL, what you don’t like.
(If India and Pakistan could solve the Kashmir Issue through a DEAL, What’s wrong?)
I should not bother about the nature of the tool, if the job is done properly.
A qualified physician knows better about the potency and prescription to cure a disease.
It is too early to start shouting and crying, where the actual operation has not yet started.
Who knows, Asif Zardari could come up as one of the best leaders, Pakistanis are looking for the last 60 years?Posted 4 years ago on 04 Mar 2008 14:53 # -
Dear Shiekh Sahib,
thanks for ur reply....
yup ...public was well aware of the deal thats why PPP never win with a big margin that was expected after the death of BB....
PPP was never win in the constituency she was assasinated ...
in that constituency ,Sheikh Rasheed was defeated by Javed Hashmi of PML N ,i guess .
if i am not wrong as usual.....
no2...u can go through numerous international surveys done by nuetral agencies...
after the deal ...it is showing a drastic drop in the popularity of BB as well as her party ...
that means i am not the only one out of 16 carore ppl ,who is taking this deal as a deal.
election 2008 wud be far more different if it happen in the presence of her ...
she wud lose with a bigger margin...
after her death she has got sympathy votes ...
but not with a bigger margin as was expected ...
that s not what i am saying...
you can go to pkpolitics different interviews of Aitzaz Ahsan ,he is saying so ..
that PPP has not win with a margin ,it was expected after BB s death...
i cud be wrong but how can a senior politician ,lawyer and PPP leader ...ho whe cud be wrong ?????
so matter of the fact is PPP has won...
fact 2..not with the margin it was expected ....
u have wrote that u r less bothered about the tools ...
i am ...
see..mushy has used tools to settle down Wana and other tribal areas ...
wrong tools ...wrong results .....
agreed >>??????not ...as usaul...
sir ..i have to differ u again and again...
although the fact remains the same that u are the best fellow i have come across ...
i respect u a lot and love u a lot as a senior and most literate friend of mine ...
i am just trying to keep the spirit of healthy debate alive ......
thanks a lot ....Posted 4 years ago on 05 Mar 2008 6:19 # -
Posted 4 years ago on 05 Mar 2008 14:35 #
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My dear beena,
1. You repeated: PPP was never winning in the constituency she was assassinated...
In that constituency, Sheikh Rasheed was defeated by Javed Hashmi of PML N,
I cannot understand this logic. I guess you are trying to make a point that BB was not popular at Liaqat Bhagh Area?
What does that mean?2. It is not Aitzaz, but BB herself admitted during one of her interviews in the US that she was going to lose her vote bank due to DEAL with Musharraf, one of the most un-popular person in Pakistan.
Then what? Don\'t you touch the scar to cure it?
A professional physician will not abandon the patient due to a fear of severe infection.3. I don\'t buy this argument that PPP would have bagged fewer seats, had BB been alive.
She was killed to stop her overwhelming emerging position as a winner.
Even that didn\'t work.
You didn’t answer my query, whey the Shaheeds like Liaqat Ali Khan, Ch. Zahoor Elahi, Zia-ul-Haq could not attract sympathy vote?4. It is not only tool but the person behind the tool. There are persons capable enough to accomplish the mission through diplomacy and DEAL.
Round-Table Conferences, Cabinet Mission Plan, Tashkent Declaration by Ayub Khan and Lal Bahdur Shastri, Simle Pact by Z.A. Bhutto and Indira Gandhi, were some of the attempts to solve the issues through diplomacy and DEAL.
This debate is not intended to learn but to express hatred.I am very much optimistic, that a reaction to such a bogus and meaningless logic, will help the PPP to stay popular even where Mr. Bilawal Bhutto returns to Pakistan after 5 or 10 years.
End of the story.
Posted 4 years ago on 05 Mar 2008 15:03 # -
@Dear Sheikh Sahib,
thanks for ur reply....
answers to ur queries>>>>>
1.i just want to point out ,that sympathy was not that huge to make her win in punjab ...
the biggest province is still with Nawaz Sharif....her death has less imapcts on punjab...
2.yes ,she was a wise lady ...she knew that she has lost her popularity ...
but i aslo ,cant buy ur argument ,....that she has done jsut for the betterment of the situation of Pakistan...she has done so ,at the risk of her own popularity ,just want to get personal agins like NRO,third time PM tenure and a PM protocol....
3.no other party has cashed out his deceased leader as successfuly as PPP has done...
well done PPP...
4.now u r talking about the person behind the tool?
ok in that case ....Zardari is as unreliable as Mushrraf is ...
so if both ends has unreliable ppl ,how can we expect any better out of it ?
Good Luck for ur optimism...
when ur own leader has admitted that she is losing popularity ...
thanks a lotPosted 4 years ago on 06 Mar 2008 5:21 # -
Adonis
MemberI think one needs to define sympathy vote before discussing its impact. According to my understanding, sympathy vote for any party should be considered as the vote that otherwise wopuld not have been polled for that particular party if it had not been for a misfortune suffered by that party.
Now, the percentage of votes polled by PPP has largely remained constant from 1970 to 2008. This would mean that neither the death of ZA Bhutto nor the death of Benazir Bhutto created any sympathy votes and PPP got votes of only those who were going to vote for it in any case.
If PPP did receive any sympathy votes in 2008 elections, than one would have to accept that the PPP support had fallen before Benazir Bhutto\'s death as compared to 2002 elections. So, in fact, if there was any sympathy wave, it only made the disenchanted PPP supporters vote again for PPP instead of actually getting previously non-PPP voters vote for it.
Posted 4 years ago on 06 Mar 2008 6:13 # -
@Adonis,
i am really really thankful to u ...
u have made my point clear to all ..
i was just failed to do so...
thanks a lot bhaiPosted 4 years ago on 06 Mar 2008 7:37 # -
Adonis
Memberur welcome sis
Posted 4 years ago on 06 Mar 2008 7:52 # -
Deen of Truth
MemberHaving read some of the comments on this thread and the many others (not all) I thought it necessary to make a contribution:
This is from the prospective of a noble Muslim with a grasp of Islam looking at the current state of Muslims generally and Muslims of Pakistan specifically and giving them sincere advice.
In the name of the Allah the Most Powerful, Most deserving of Obedience and the One to be feared the Most.
I look upon your country and see a land which Allah (swt) blessed with immense resources, one of the top ten producers of wheat, yet the people die of food shortage, , one of the top ten producers of Milk, yet many can not afford to drink it, one of the largest populations but no-one to make use of it and with the 7th largest army but not one man amongst them who has honour and shame.
Foreign powers abuse your land like the pimp abuses his prostitute, they insult your people and comment that your mothers are less important to you then money,yet your rulers run to them, they use your armies to fight its own people, yet not one of them has any shame. Repeated rulers have come and each has been accused of corruption and damaging your nation, each has bent over more then the one before to serve foreigners over Pakistan's inhabitant's, yet your intelligence never allows you to comprehend, the new is from the old. The power has always been concentrated in either the land owners, business owners or the Army, your history shows a nation which has continued to regress, yet your blind allegiances or political nativity has continued to lead you to chase false solutions.
Allah the most high, sent a Messenger to you, who brought a complete Deen to guide you in all aspects of life, yet you chose to mock it through ignorance and arrogance. As for the ignorant, they think Islam and life (politics) do not mix, they see politics as something dirty, allowing the same foreigners that abuse them dictate to them the agenda, its definition and ultimately their subservience. Politics is to look after the affairs of people, this can be done in a good or bad way. The Deen that Prophet (saaw)brought, gave the guiding principles and details on conducting public life, be that economic, social, education, ruling, penal code and foreign policy, yet your ignorance means you thought your minds god instead of the guidance forwarded to you and decided you knew more about the 21st century then Allah (swt), and therefore some rubbish taken from this nation and that was better then the divine guidance..NO you never said those words but you defended man made rule though the stupidity of some when they tried to defend democracy and the political nativity of others who try to defend it when their minds where still living under the British occupation.
Did you ever try to go back to your history and learn, one comment on one thread read: we are in the 21st century, as if to say, the author created himself and the world around him and is in a better position to understand it then the creator of heaven, earth, America, UK and its allies.As for the arrogant: they think because they were born in Pakistan and choose to follow its news, they are in a better position to understand their salvation, yet their ego's fails to understand they been there for 60 years and where was their intelligence or realization?
They think their education in a western school, gives them elevation over others, yet they are so blind that the foreigner powers conditioned them to view the reality around them through the westerners narrow eyes and prepared them like a mother prepares a child, to follow its ideals and as obedient children their masters say a word and they repeat as it were revelation.
We need America and UK, Musharraf was doing things for the benefit of Pakistan and the new government can bring change. All illusions and mirages. US/UK has never done anything for the benefit of any nation, only for their interests, a simple reading of their guiding principles will tell one that. As for Musharraf, he led the nation into US dominance claiming weakness, why the 7th largest army? If the Philippines can summon the British ambassador without a shred of an Army, then the 7th largest with nuclear power has to beg and bow to its enemies? only cowards can be proud of such a stance, yet they talk to their own like the tyrants of history did.It is high time you opened your eyes and learned what your Deen has to offer, does the current financial crisis not make you open your eyes and see the failure of the Western systems? If thinkers in the western lands are questioning their own guiding principles, nations where less then 40% of the population votes due to distrust, yet you Muslims of Pakistan can be so foolish as to follow those who do not believe in their own values?
Islam offers a comprehensive system for change, Islam is not he Mullah, only the foolish who refuse to study or think themselves too arrogant to do so, think Islam has clergy and they brand that around. There was no clergy inthe time of your Prophet, the rightly guided Khulafa, the Tabie'een and Tabi Tabie'een, it is every Muslims duty to study his Deen.
Islam is not five pillars, that is the opinion of the ignorant or the foolish, the Messenger (saaw) came with a message, its revelation spanning some 23 years, endless Quran & Hadith dealing with life's issue and you fools deduce 5 pillars and you chose to follow without questioning?
The prophet established a power in Madina, not by chance but design, he headed that state and conducted its affairs, this is not history lessons, but guidance for humanity, take time to learn. The Prophet (saaw) said: If you have nothing good to say, keep your mouth shut, if you don't understand Islam, at least stop defending or speaking favorably about those matters that contradict Islam.
Islam is not the MMA in coalition, it is more then that, it is unique and bringing it into existence means US/UK will not be happy with you and cause you pain, but in the long term it is better for you, only if you knew.
Islam is not terrorists/ terrorism, I read some comments using these slogans, Allah Akbar, the naiveness makes one sick. Western commentators are questioning the whole notion of terrorism, yet some disillusioned people here use that terminology, do you not know this is US/UK war on Islam. They are using this to create a global opinion to justify entering Muslim lands, like I said earlier colonized minds, should I expect more?
Its time you looked away from the current political circle of subjugation, I saw Bhutto lead your country twice with disastrous consequences (I am sure some who benefited from her rule or those who judge by individual experiences as opposed to impact upon the nation will disagree), she was removed for corruption yet when she returned to ask for another term many were chanting, it was said by our Prophet(saaw): there will come a time when the undeserving will rule you or you will get the rulers you deserve. A person robs the country, is ousted for corruption charges, known to be a liar, allowed husband to take kickbacks from government contracts, gives up nuclear weapons to foreign powers and returns claiming to provide this and that and the Muslims of Pakistan chant her name and cry at her death, why? Only to remain silent when her criminal husband comes to power, and some are still foolish enough to be looking at PPP pr PML, was Nawaz Sharif not ousted for corruption?
Is it not time for change? Does Pakistan not need an Islamic State? How many will learn about it to understand what it is and how it functions before writing shallow articles not deserving of a response?
A system that will:
1) Expel US/UK and other hostile nation embassies from its lands
2) Spread its Nuclear weapons across the country as a deterrent against any hostile nations
3) Expel any hostile media outlets
4) Free itself from the shackles of the IMF and World Bank
5) Not sell its wheat and produce at the fraction of the price it has to buy back tot he western nations, though corrupt politicians, Yes Mr showkat Aziz.
6) It will form relations with nations based upon its interests with nation not hostile to it
7) It will expel US troops, their intelligence agencies and retract any support for the war on Islam
8) The leadership of Islam will be servants to its people and not servants to its enemies.
9) Its political leadership will be based on Iman and Taqwa, not based on how much my family and I can clean out from the public funds to build our fortune.
10) A leadership with a political will and not cowards who will sell their families for their seats.Is nit not time for such leadership???
The last thing I would like to say:
Allah has full power over all matters but most amongst men know it not (TMQ)
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