N-League's secret meetings with Kiyani - Breach of CDC

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N-League's secret meetings with Kiyani - Breach of CDC

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Anonymous

Ch. Nisar and Shabaaz Shareef has reportedly met with Kiyani atleast 5 times before starting the chaos over KL-bill and NRO.

N-League is getting dictation from army to destabalise civilian government which is an open violation of the core Charter of Democracy. N-League has in effect repreated its anti-democratic actions of 90s and dancing on the orders of army establishment.

Although PPP government has in some cases not acted immediately on Charter of Democracy but it has in principal agreed to it, N-Leauge on the other hand tried to defend and justify its secret meetings with Kiyani instead of feeling ashamed of it.

N-League has violated the core of Charter OF Democracy through open horse trading in Punjab assembly and now by meeting with Kiyani. This shows N-LEague has not changed its ways and its animosity with Musharraf is based on personal vendetta and not for the love of democracy.

Zia baqiaat will rmain Zia baqiaat forever.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 15:47 #
msohail83
Member

Nawaz-Phobia....lol

O yar ye sab ek hi thali ke chattay battay hain. Aap zardari ki harkatein kyon nahi theek karwatay? Awein hi itnay naraz h o jatay hain.

Ye purani khabar h o gayee hai.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 15:49 #
zingaro
Member

You are right that Nisar and Shahbaz must not have met secretly to Army Chief. But my dear may i laugh on your words that PPP acted late? Do you think the whole nation got dumb and fool that they can't judge what is being late and what is doing under public pressure? Tell me a single thing which people were looking for as per COD and Zardari did that. Don't mention that Nisar appointed as Chairman PAC as it was not a prime expectation. Mr. Zardari and his company openly used to say CJ will never be restored, CJ should form a party, CJ is political, etc. Then why a person with all such allegations be restored?

Army Chief was once military secretary to BB. He was the key person in BB Musharraf deal. He fully backed PPP's choice to elect Zardari. Even I criticize him for being silent on core issues related to our national defense and Pak-USA relationships, but what happened to PPP? Why they started feeling that Kiyani is their enemy? Is it because every one disliked the approach of Zardari? Is it because Zardari allowed Americans to do whatever they want. Even he allowed to them what Musharraf did not allow.

Now what I see is that PPP workers are in big problem. They want to speak against even Gilani but can't because he is PPP PM. Secondly they want to defend Zardari because he was also elected by them.

I think punjabi mein is kay baarey koi misaal hay ... isn't?

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 15:58 #
Anonymous

Typical N-League mentality.

When it comes to N-League, they wash it with PPP. aray saaray hee aisay hein but when it comes to non-N-Leauge party, only those parties get blamed and N-League becomes champions of democracy.

AGain, restoration of Ch. Iftikhaar was not a part of COD. We are all mistaken and mislead by N-League media.
Ch. Iftikhar is an illegal judge. The appointment of Ch. Iftikhaar was through non-COD means.

You really think Zardari allowed Americans and black water? I'll be a fool to believe that. Such matters are handled by military. I'd point my fingers towards Kiyani rather than Zardari over this issue.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:04 #
Anonymous

Prime expectation and core of COC was not to do conspiracies against civilian government on the behest of military establishment.

Prime expecations and core of COC was not to do horse trading.

N-League has done exactly that.

N-League has not followed COC at all. They have violated it under the day-light and they still get called champions of democracy.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:06 #
msohail83
Member

Zpp preaching COD. Can you guys believe it? O boyyyyy

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:08 #
Anonymous

Compare 90s with today's politics and tell me about the similarities.

What were the political issues in 90s and why and how NS and BB governments were dismissed?

because they followed establishment lead and became part of IJI and tehreek-enijaat and horse trading. These were the real issues on which COC was based. Ch. Iftikhar was not even an issue when COC initiative started.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:09 #
zingaro
Member

Meri jaan :) I already declare that i don't belong to any party. Just check all of my posts and then chances are there that you may agree.

I damn care about n-league or any other party. The thing is that what you are trying to do is nothing and merely an attempt to favor the most corrupt person.

Sahib .. ab aap keh rahay hein kay Blackwater etc ko aap ki government nay allow nahi kia .. to janab phir main nay kia hoga .. meri galti .. main bhool gia .. aap ki itlaa kay liay waisay arz kar doon kay in maamlaat ko MOI deal karti hay jis kay head aap nay Rehman Malik jaisay corrupt ko banaya hova hay ... agar wo bhi dianatdaar hein to phir yaqeen kejiay dunia mein koi be lutera nahi hay ..

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:09 #
Anonymous

ofcourse you wont, because you are being mislead by n-league media.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:09 #
truepakistani
Member

any agreement has binding on the signatories. COD was signed by 2 parties to it.

if one party does not act upon the agreement why can you compel other party to act accordingly.

COD was broken when BB met in the dark with mush in abudhabi secretly.

NS is budhu so emphasysing zardari to accept COD.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:13 #
New Pakistan
Member

This is a very important topic and really does not have to do with political party other than to show that politicians are playing games with Pakistan. Too often even in this forum we like to blame Americans for everything, but here is a first hand example of politicians playing secret games that destabilize our nation. And what are comments saying? America! Black Water! NO! This is about corrupt politicians who are playing games with our lives! And shows that KLB debate was false controversy cooked up for political gain!

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:14 #
msohail83
Member

Zardari took office in Sept 2008.

In merely 14 months he's pulled off some miracles.

1. Dissolved Punjab Assembly
2. Restoration of Judges (first IMC was siyasi, then they were waiting for DOGar to retire. lol)
3. Ignominious retreat on NRO

--------------------
Flirting with the ARMY
1. Failed attempt to bring ISI under Rehman Malik's control. LOL
2. Security related clauses added to KL bill at the behest of Haqqani.
3. 18th Amendment???

and the list goes on...

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:15 #
Anonymous

These two were very important attempts in Pakistani interest.
1. Failed attempt to bring ISI under Rehman Malik's control. LOL
2. Security related clauses added to KL bill at the behest of Haqqani.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:20 #
msohail83
Member

Was it done for Pakistan or to please America???

Zardari was on his way to New York when overnight this order was passed. It was a preparation for Zardari to give his bosses a news. How pathetic?

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:22 #
Anonymous

I dont know about Amreeka but these two attempts were 100% in Pakistani interest and only these two efforts can bring military under control.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:23 #
Anonymous

Not only ISI but army chief should report to Defence Minister. This is how it happens in democratice countries.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:23 #
msohail83
Member

Sure, you don't know!

Which country in the world has the capability to bring about the most important changes mid-air?

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:24 #
msohail83
Member

Could you tell me what was the urgency?

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:25 #
Anonymous

urgency is not important, action is.

N-League and opposition parties should have supported government but as usual they saw this as an opportunity to prove their ghulami to establishment.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:27 #
zingaro
Member

bsobaid .. lets make it pint point .. Nawaz Sharif is corrupt. N-league policies are under establishment. Media is under emphasis of N-league and performing very bad..

Please tell us about Mr. Zardari and Rehman Malik .. please please.. i request....

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:28 #
Anonymous

I dont need to tell you about that because N-League media is doing a good job over it.

I tell people what others try to hide.

Just like at this thread, how everyone is trying to turn this thread into anti-Zardari.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:33 #
Anonymous

Blackwater or anyo ther agency's presence in Pakistan is because of military's approval. Without military's approval they can not be in Pakistan.

Yes, you can say Zardari did not oppose but military establishment is the key. Trust me, if n_league was in power they would have done the same.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:35 #
LetsDoIt
Member

bus kar day yaar bus kar day... You could not clean Zardari's mess in one limited life. Dont waste your efforts, do something constructive.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:41 #
Anonymous

bhai mein Zardari ko defend nahi kartaa mein democracy ko defend karnaa chahtaa hoon. Agar aaj Zardari kee jagah Nawaz Shareef hota tou tab bhi mein yahee karr raha hotaa.

army establishment ko political aur government matters mein involve honay kaa koi haq nahi. Army should concentrate on Swat and Malakand and I support army on that.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:43 #
LetsDoIt
Member

lolz@ bsobaid

Agar NS hota tab bhi yeahi kar rahay hotay.. NS is already there. Look politician ko army ganda nahin karti, politician apnay app ko khud ganda karta hai.

In all the controversial matters it was zardari who took a wrong decision and it was NS who supported him with a silent opposition.

Abb sab kuch army pay daal do... army ko khud welcome keh raha hai zardari, its not some one else. and who told you criticizing zardari is criticizing democracy.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:46 #
msohail83
Member

what's this n-league media?

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:50 #
zingaro
Member

i think every person who criticizes Zardari is a N-League media ... correct me brother obaid .. if i am wrong ...

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 16:51 #
Anonymous

No Sir.

It is very easy to find out if someone is criticising PPP for the love of NS or for the love of Pakistan.

Most media anchors do that for N-League love.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 17:00 #
Adonis
Member

LOL....

Its really funny to see piplees suddenly remembering COD.

Its an amazing recovery of memory.

Even BB conveniently forgot COD right after signing it when she traveled to Abu Dhabi to meet and negotiate with mush.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 17:14 #
Anonymous

She neogitated with Mush to open up Pakistan for political parties including PPP and N-Leaug e and elections.

N-League walay met with Kiyani to destabalise PPP and civilian government.

BB's meeting is justified. N-League's meeting is not.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 17:16 #
Adonis
Member

Yes indeed .... NRO came just as a token of Benazir's love for democracy and Pakistan.

It had absolutely nothing to do with saving her own skin and keeping her ill-gotten wealth as well as her even more corrupt husband.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 17:19 #
usmanmazhar
Member

i would like to c the comments of MODERATOR bennai & semirza

usman mazhar
pti member

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 17:45 #
Anonymous

NO, if it was only her "ill-gotten" walth then she would have cut a deal with Musharraf long time ago just like Nawaz Shareef did. Zardari would have been freed and all cases would have been closed long long time ago. BB was given this offer but she refused.

Coming back to the question you raised, NS is in Pakistan due to BB's negotiations with Musharraf. NS should thank PPP otherwise according to maafi nama, NS would'nt even be in Pakistan today.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 17:54 #
Adonis
Member

And Benazir did get her husband freed and all cases withdrawn. But it was certainly no deal, just her love for democracy.

Also, benazir had included a secret clause in her deal with musharraf that called for allowing Nawaz Sharif to return. It was indeed a great sacrifice on her part. It is very unfortunate that no one has until now stumbled upon that secret clause. Otherwise her name would have been included in teh list of most selfless leaders in the world history.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 18:01 #
Anonymous

If she had to cut a deal she would have done it 10 years ago just like NS who signed maafi nama within weeks.

BB knew opening up Pakistan would allow everyone else to come back otherwise she would have included a secret clause to bar NS entry in Pakistan or atleast had run a propoganda campaign against NS over maafi nama but instead BB welcomed NS back and PPP government offered ministries to NS.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Nov 2009 18:26 #
Beenai
Moderator

that's how ,our politics goes .
secret meetings ,under hand deals ,over night shift of the stand on the telephone call of an important personality ,foreigners coming in with agenda of change ...

i know ...its is practiced by all ..no matter PPP,PMLN,PNLQ,MQM ,ANP ,JUI,JUP,JI etc.

but dont know ,who will end this all?

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Nov 2009 5:01 #
Fahim23
Member

I'd appreciate if some one can please comment on - Has NS been involved in Corruption? And if he is then why no cases are filed against him in the "independent" Judiciary? I think he doesn't have any immunity neither he has benefitted from NRO.

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Nov 2009 9:22 #
Bilal Tarar
Members

cod nowhere says that 2 institutional heads cant meet, shahbaz is cm punjab n has every right to meet the army chief although nisar shouldnt hav been part of the meeting. I dont think it was meant to destabilize the govt coz there was no evidence provided by the media yet shahbaz n nisar neva denied having met the coas. It was regarding security concerns being expresed by the agencies over the life of sharif brothers, the document was even presented in LHC durin by election case. Ch nisar is one of the cleanest politicians this country has produced n he swore on God that there were no political discussions(last nite on samaa) atleast they havent denied the meeting unlike the ppp n ifthey did deny there was no evidence to prove it. Better than pm gillani saab who was sendin isi chief to appear before indian pm.

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Nov 2009 9:52 #
expakistani
Member

I Dont know much about CoD but PMLN's each and every move is according to C2C ( charter 2 chair ).

logo pehcano yeah wohi log hain jo mushkil pari to mafi nama lekh ker bhag jatey hain

Posted 2 years ago on 05 Nov 2009 12:38 #