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NA 49 ( Islamabad-II )

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  1. tvanchor

    2008 Results:

    Dr.Tariq Fazal Chaudhry PML (N) 45482

    Syed Nayyer Hussain Bukhari PPPP 44726

    Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar PML (Q) 34546

    Last time won by PML-N but this time another sure short victory of PTI.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Apr 2012 21:01 #
  2. tahirnaseem

    can u give the name of all candidate of last time and who will be pti potential candidate.
    i have little feeling my be pti do well in next election but if the media adviser like you then sure after wining next election, pakistan 10 time worst compare to today.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Apr 2012 21:12 #
  3. tvanchor

    You can get the names of all the candidates from this website honey.

    http://www2.ecp.gov.pk/vsite/ElectionResult/AllResults.aspx?assemblyid=NA

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Apr 2012 21:17 #
  4. tahirnaseem

    my friend this i also know and i know all the detail but i said you dont bother to do analysis what basis you said, nothing, just in the air.
    Atleast faheem talk to any constituency, with past and current environment.
    You PTI chaps need to learn and hard working, this is good for you and your part health.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Apr 2012 21:23 #
  5. tvanchor

    Poor performance of PML-N and the newfound trust of the masses in PTI. Is there any more to analyse?

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Apr 2012 21:27 #
  6. tahirnaseem

    PPP candidate only loss with 700 votes so why not PPP will win this seat, and if you go in detail this seat will be again PML-N as total votes casted for muslimg league is around 80,00 (45.5k and 34.5K)
    so on what basis you claim seat for PTI
    put some solid reasons.................please dont consider it a nooner this is the real Pakistani which will vote in next election after understand the capability and vision of parties.
    Change people also need to change they wy of thing and acting.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Apr 2012 21:27 #
  7. tvanchor

    No total vote casted for PML-N was 45k while the rest were anti-PML-N votes. People of this constituency are even more fed up of both PPP and PML-N's performance of Punjab and want change. Majority will vote for PTI.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Apr 2012 21:31 #
  8. khanamer

    What a stupid way to say something like this?

    What are the basis of the analysis? who is going to be candidate? hawai qilay tameer karo per insaf.pk per, yahaN per nahi

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Apr 2012 7:08 #
  9. mango mam

    i think people talking about na49 know nothing about this constiuency; i m residing in na49 will tell u in detail

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Apr 2012 7:32 #
  10. mango mam

    last time tariq won with around 500 margin to ppp nayyar bukhari; khokher was 3rd with 30k + votes. This time on paper there may be alliance of ppp and pmlq (khkokhar) since nayyar bukhari is now chairman senate; but this alliance will not happen according to me as ppp is quite strong in rurral areas as can be seen from the last result.

    IK gave ticket to ilyas mehrban ch. , a person with the same bradri as tariq,but smq is promoting another candidate raja khurram; raja khurram belong to another strong hold of pmln. Possibility is that one of them get ticket and other will either contest independent or join pmln.

    if there is alliance between ppp and pmlq, tariq will probably win since there is a strong anti-khokhar vote bank. if ppp contest then there will be four way fight and any of ppp/pmln/khokhar can win (i feel contest will be between ppp and pmln). PTI has no chance since bothe the candidates are very new and have limited penetration; may get around 15k maximum (mainaly bradri votes)

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Apr 2012 7:40 #
  11. Adonis

    PPP's Nayyar Bukhari is now Chairman Senate and will not be contesting from this constituency. He is likely to support his nephew for the ticket. But currently, the almost confirmed PPP candidate is Faisal Sakhi Butt, a business man who is PM's adviser for Islamabad Capital Area, a post he got basically for facilitating Zardari/Gillani while they were in Jail. Unless, he is switched over to NA-48, he will be the PPP candidate here. In that case, PPP will get Q league's Mustafa Nawaz khokhar to withdraw in return for PPP's support for Nawaz Khokhar in NA-52 where he is contesting with Malik Riaz's support against Ch. Nisar.

    PML-N's candidate will be the sitting MNA Dr. Tariq who has done rather well as a Member Parliament.

    PTI's candidate, so far, as was announced in 13 Aug dharna and allegedly approved by Imran Khan himself, will be Ch. Ilyas Mehrban. The guy is a rich businessman who runs a chain of private schools in Islamabad district. He had applied for a PML-N ticket in 2002 but was not given one and later on joined PTI.

    The electoral contest is expected to be quite close here between PML-N and PPP/PML-Q alliance. PML-N's victory here in 2008 was a huge upset as Dr. Tariq does not have much biradri vote and won largely because of overwhelming support in urban areas. This time, he has made strong in roads in rural Islamabad and should do quite well there especially as PPP has suffered a tremendous loss of support. I personally feel that Q league's Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar will be a much better candidate but if Faisal Sakhi Butt remains the alliance candidate, then the ruling alliance will practically gift this seat to PML-N.

    PTI does not have much support here. Its current candidate does not have any strong biradri vote nor is any charismatic personality. It will be a big achievement if he gets anywhere between ten to fifteen thousand votes.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Apr 2012 10:17 #
  12. mango mam

    Adonis; i totally agree; a very good analysis as i live in this constituency; however u didnot mention about raja khurram

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Apr 2012 10:21 #
  13. Adonis

    @ mango mam

    Till today, the "official" PTI candidate is still Ilyas Mehrban. I don't know much about Raja khurram. He may eventually get the ticket but I doubt that it will have any impact on the election results.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Apr 2012 10:27 #
  14. mango mam

    yes, i agree , mehrbam may get the ticket but smq promoting raja as well; but as u said there will be no impact on the result

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Apr 2012 10:30 #
  15. chaudaru80

    @ adonis and mangomam .
    bros i think dr. tariq's reputation is good over there . am i right.? last time tariq fazal got votes mostly from urban area . now plz tell me k is he going to get these urban votes this time around? and do u think k party votes is intact for pmln ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Apr 2012 11:43 #
  16. Dr. Tariq will be the Winner...Party votes are totally intact with PML N......Look at Pindi and Islamabad Bar..the base of PML N

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2012 13:54 #
  17. xatians

    Chaudaru@

    Tariq Fazal has a good repute over there and Adan Kiyan may also be helpful to him, Adna Kiyan is a guy who was the part of PTI majlis-e-Amla, and he joined N-League few months ago, kiyani clan has a good vote bank in both constituencies of isd, Adnan kiyani may be the candidate from NA48.

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2012 14:26 #
  18. Here PTI will be on third...PPPP to has a good candidate in this constituency...Syed Neir Hussain Bukari.....

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2012 18:21 #
  19. Adonis

    Nayyar Bukhari is now Chairman Senate and not gonna contest.

    Posted 2 years ago on 06 May 2012 18:44 #
  20. yes he will not contest but they have few party votes in this constituency......

    Posted 2 years ago on 07 May 2012 9:01 #
  21. secularists

    Unless an alliance happens between PTI and N League I think this seat will go to PPP for sure. PPP voter will still vote for it though turnout might be lower. So I think PPP will get 35,000 votes.

    If PTI takes a slice of PML-N votes lets say of about 10,000. PPP is going to end up on top.

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 May 2012 0:42 #

  22. Posted 2 years ago on 20 May 2012 0:57 #
  23. جو لوگ یہ سمجتھے ہیں کہ قاف لیگ اور عمران کا کوئی ووٹ بینک ہے تو وہ خیالوں کی دنیا میں رہتے ہیں
    مقابلہ صرف اور صرف پیپلز پارٹی اور مسلم لیگ ن کا ہو گا

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 May 2012 1:00 #
  24. secularists

    @ izzy:

    The constituencies would be delimited before elections that is they will change which areas come under which seats. Is that going to affect results?

    Is it possible to combine all rural areas into one NA seat or are they scattered all over?

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 May 2012 1:12 #
  25. chaudary801

    @secularist Bahi
    yes bro It wil affect the result .... for example If all posh areas of Lahore combine in 1 or 2 halqas then PTI surely will win 1 or 2 seats... But if it remains like taht then PMLN will win.... like that id NA 149 remains like that then PMLN will easily win But if taht halqa cahnges mean One wing of taht halqa PP 197 is splits then PMLN will lose frm there becoz PP 197 is strong holg of N and it hepls PMLN to win na 149...

    Posted 2 years ago on 20 May 2012 14:39 #
  26. AOA bros,i have read most of the comments and analysis about NA 49. I am also one of the resident of this constituency and would like to contribute a little. I have a middle class business and has served as a govt official also. From my business location I keep observing the changing attitudes of our governments as well as of people. In my location there are about 25 shops and I would like to present their opinion, present and past. This may not tell u the exact situation of complete constituency but may serve as a guide how a common person thinks. During last election of 2008, situation of support to different parties in our complex out of 25 shops was some thing like this, 8 for PML(N), 7-8 PPP, 4 PML (q), 2 Jamat e Islami,and 3 others. Situation today is some this like this, 15 PTI, 5 PML (n), 2 PPP, 1 totally dedicated to Khokhar family, 2 yet not decided. In my next post i will give u a common people's view of differet canidates. Till then Allah Hafiz

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Jun 2012 19:15 #
  27. Sharp Saw

    @islamabadlover

    According to your sample findings the biggest loosers in this location of NA-49 are the PML-Q and the PPP. PML-N vote bank has been affected by much less than the other parties but its PTI's gain which is the critical factor here.

    Posted 2 years ago on 21 Jun 2012 20:35 #
  28. yes, bro, it is like that, I have seen very old PPP supporters leaving the ranks of PPP during these times. Moreover I have yet to see any one taking the name of PML (q). Even those who were very active during Musharaf times,(and were the biggest beneficeries) dont feel like making reference of their previous allegiance with PML (Q). Sorry to say but ch. shujaat does not have a leadership attibutes which can inspire people at National level. Only good for his own area or little more. Presently vaccum created by big parties like PML (N) AND PPP, is being filled by the leadership of Imran Khan. I dont want to be biased but currently Imran Khan is the hope of majority of people here. Just one small example, Few days back one of our friend, who is a second generation in Jamat e Islami told me that his son and daughter (both getting higher education in good universities here) have told their father to change party and support Imran Khan. These are small example for wise to feel the change of wind. I am hopeful that with this change in attitude of people, we will be able to select good lagislators, who would not serve themselves only rather work for Pakistan and its people.

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Jun 2012 12:26 #
  29. Now I would comment on the present/would be/ or potential candidates of NA 49. To get maximum knowledge about these personalities, I have been discussing them with different range of people and information contained below is what I have gained through these discussions. This assessment is certainly not to hurt somebodies feeling and therefore I apologise if someone feels it is directed toward him or his/her favourite candidate. It is only meant to put the view of those across, who do not have much voice in society.
    -PML(N) Tariq Fazal: He was introduced to Nawaz Sharif by the Zafar Ali Shah. He quickly developed good relation with Sharif bros due to his generous spending/contributions (bribes) and even bypassed Mr. Zafar Ali Shah. He knows that servering one or two persons(Sharif bros) is much an easy job than to deal with thousands of people. He holds a good position in the party (PML N), not because that he is very active in masses but because he holds a close position with Sharif bros. Last election was won only because of party votes. This time the situation will not be the same. Even if he loses the election he will keep holding a good place in the party, just like Rahman Malik (with no constituency) During his last four years he has hardly done any thing good with his constituency.
    -PPP Nayer Bukhari: Though generally he has not done any thing bad with the constituency but he has not done any thing good also. I was reading some bodies comments up that PPP will have 35000/ votes here. I dont think so that such a big no of stupids live in this constituency. After enduring hot summers without electricity, with their ruined businesses, there will be very few stupids left to vote for such misery again. Any candidate of PPP here has to take the burden of all failuers of present government.
    -PTI Ilyas Meherban: Though he is a old political worker but as a candidate he is totally new. Belongs to a noble and respected family. He has a big contibution in the area in education sector. He is running a chain of schools, which are imparting quality education to middle class and poor people in a very affordable fee. The only allegation which i heard from his opponants is that he is a "Gentelman" (Not a good quality considered by the few for a ruler/Hukmaran)

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Jun 2012 17:16 #
  30. pakistani_2012

    Thanks for your update Islamabadlover.

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Jun 2012 17:46 #
  31. iftikharalam

    @Islamabad lover!! Very good assessment!! But you will be disappointed by ignorants on this forum and their attacks on u soon.. This is the fact, even though, many people think that PTI is breaking away PML N but PPP, PML Q, JI and MQM vote is also breaking away.. People do not talk about JI much but I believe that it is JI that is actually losing a great support against PTI!! Anyway, thanks for a first fair and logical analysis on this forum!!

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Jun 2012 15:21 #
  32. Thank you very much "iftikharalam" for ur serious input on my assessments. Due to my personal commintments i could not complete my assessment of candidates of NA 49. Below is the remaining part,
    -Mustafa khokhar (Party??????) Some body may say PML (Q), but i am sure that even they themselve dont know. Thoroughly oppertunists, who so ever will give them position they will jump location. Notority of the family in total is not a hidden secret. They enjoy a blanket immunity in Islamabad against any crime. Just two examples, first, the day once Benazir Bhoto was killed, same day Nawaz Sharif was coming to Islamabad via GT road. There was a rally to receive Nawaz Sharif by his supporters (Idiots,sorry for using this word but i will explain it later)around air port chowk, rally was fired at by the Khokhar's guards and 4 to 5 people died. No case was registered, no culperits were apprehanded, and their blood went cheaper than dogs moving in the streets right in Capital of Pakistan. Even Nawaz Sharif did not bother to help those bereaved families. That is why is call them idiots, sacrificing their lives for nothing. Second A big housing porject with name of Ghauri Town is being constructed right in Islamabad, without any NOC from CDA, in violation of all rules under the protection of Khokhar family. After knowing all this if some one still opts to select such people in power, he will be doing it, not only at the cost of his kids future but on part of society as whole.

    -Self proclaimed Raja Khurram: Though he is not very important person to be discussed but to clear few doubts it is important to give him some space here. His relations (business as well as others) with Khokhar family are again not a secret. He has been planted to only confuse PTI sympthyiesers/ voters. With no social activity or contribution on his credit, he is also aiming to fool people. People should not be surprised to see him supproting some one else or joining some other party (other than PTI)very soon.

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Jun 2012 20:19 #
  33. chaudary801


    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Jun 2012 20:46 #
  34. chaudary801

    @ IslamabadLover Bhai
    Welcome to PK politics Brother... I m PMLN fan..... Ur the first PTI supporter who talked logically and wrote some facts abt ur halqa... thanks buddy..... Before U one our Bother of PTI "Ifikhar Aalam Bhai" also wrote some anaylysis of that Halqa of NA 49.... But sorry To him it was a laughing stock for us .... But U talk abt logics.... I wanna just correct U one at One point... that is k Most of that halqa is Frm Rural side so PTI in my opinion will damage frm that rural part becoz at the moment i m not seeing any strnd person frm Rural side. I agree To U that PTI get lots of votes of Urban side but rural side is question for them and One cant win without rural spport in those kind of a halqas or there is one way PTI Cud win this halqa with out rural support and that is if PTI litrealy sweep the urban polling stations as PMLN did in 2008 but that is near to immosible becoz one cant say that pmln will swept out frm Urban area.... Plz correct me if I m wrong....

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Jun 2012 20:50 #
  35. chaudary801

    Islamabd Lover bahi...
    Plus Religius Vote will not go to PTI as well bcoz of IK involvment In Zinnah and His secular approach as J.I is also making allience with PMLN... Even a common Muslim which knows anything abt islam will Not vote for IK... I can give a Example of Multan... where lots of Religious voters say that they cant cast their vote to IK even J.I leadorship annaoces to support IK..... they dont love any one one but they Hate IK....
    Plus I wanna correct U that FIR of Firng on NS had registered ... I had seen Tickeron Some news cahnnal on the same day when BB was Killed... I guess U go that police station and find the truth then allege any one ... By the way U may remember that PTI worker was also Killed in 12th may incidant ... But did IK go to Police station to register a FIR??? he spoke gainst MQM at that time but in recent histry he didnt spoke a word aginst MQM on this issue... remembr that Karachi jalsa and most recently Hyderabad jalsa. So Can i use a word for PTI worker who was killed as U used against PMLN workers who were Killed on BB assisination day??? (idiots U use I guess).... plz correct me if i m wrong... thanks...

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Jun 2012 20:52 #
  36. Dear chaudary801,
    Assalam o Alikum, First of all I apologize from u and any other person who is hurt due to my use of wrong word for MPL N, supporters in my above post and thank u and appreciate u for correcting me.

    But kindly allow me to explain that I did not use this word to humiliate or degrade someone. I have a total respect for ur choice of a party and for anybody’s choice of a political party. To me every Pakistani is respectful, irrespective of his party, location (province) cast, religion etc etc. But When ever and where ever an innocent Pakistani is killed for nothing, my hurt burns. May it be, Karachi, FATA, Balochistan, Islamabad, KPK or else where. And I tell u the people who kill them draw their authority from these innocent Pakistanis. That is the reason that at time I get emotional and use such wrong words. My total sympathies and respects are with these people.

    Now let me first clear u my position about PTI, or Imran Khan. I am not an unconditional supporter or (Jiala) of him or his party, who would support and defend him for his follies also. NO, I only support him till the time I find him, he is sincerely making efforts for the betterment of country and its people. My hairs are gray now, I have spent a golden time of my life in this country and city, dreaming and working all the time for its prosperity. Therefore I cannot compromise on my principles. (Some other time I will give u my reasons also for choosing PTI or Imran Khan)

    Now coming over to ur more serious questions,

    First that Majority of this constituency’s area fall in rural and may influence vote bank of PTI.

    Please be corrected now there is no part of Islamabad left as rural which can be compared with the interior Sindh or Balochistan or elsewhere. Due to inapt policies of CAD, majority of govt officials and immigrants from other parts of country have shifted here in this constituency. And I regard them well educated, informed and charged to bring a change now.

    Your second question about religious people will not vote for PTI because of allegations on IK.

    Please tell me one thing that hundreds of thousands of people who are attending Imran Khan rallies are Non Muslims or non religious? He was once elected also, and did the non Muslims or non religious people elected him?

    Moreover do u know that such allegations were leveled on Benezir Bhotto also but she was elected twice Prime Minister of this country. Did the only Non Muslims or non religious people elected her? And such allegation on a women in our society carry more stigma / dishonor.

    My only request is please don’t divide, exploit and use people on the name of religion. How pathetic it is that the same religion which was bases of our unity, is now being used for our division.

    Your third question of that incident in which innocent supporters were killed.

    If IK does some thing wrong, does it justifies that Nawaz sharif should also do that. Did the families of those killed find the justice? NO , they were pressurized to compromise to forgive / sell the blood of their dear ones. Just like Raymond Davis case. My only worry is that there must not be any one above the law who dares to kill an innocent person from whatever party, place or religion he belongs.

    I would finish here because it is getting lengthy. I would shed more light on few other questions also but on my next post. Till then Allah Hafiz

    Posted 2 years ago on 24 Jun 2012 13:51 #
  37. masoodabbas

    @islamabadlover, Full respect to you,
    Can you tell me what seriously Ik is making effort for the betterment of Pakistan?
    After that i will answer you one by one about his serious efforts?
    I have not responded to any IK supporter on this forum because whenever i responded i received abusive words. Hopefully you will not do this and 100% you will not get this from me.

    Masood

    Posted 2 years ago on 24 Jun 2012 14:16 #
  38. alimuhammad

    chaudary801

    "Plus Religius Vote will not go to PTI as well bcoz of IK"

    and why will they vote for PMLN?

    Posted 2 years ago on 24 Jun 2012 18:48 #
  39. chaudary801

    @ ISLAMABAD LOVER..
    Bhai tahks for responding me.. U asked that who Attended IK'S rallies ? Bro Ik's rallies attended By Muslim but they r Naam nihaad muslims . I mean Secular people attended his rallies.. Like Burger people attended his rallies... plus u said that if IK does Wrong in Karachi then Why Nawaz does the same ... U misunderstood me .. I mant that What words U used for PMLN workers .. These same words shud be Used for PTI suppoters as well becoz he does the same as well... U worte that U are aged person ... Now tell me can any one do anything with the help of army... As IK khan is establishment boy... Plus I was a PTI supporter at one time in past... But IK annoced in lahore jalsa that he expose Nawaz assets to media in 3 months ... where R these facts ???

    Posted 2 years ago on 24 Jun 2012 20:31 #
  40. chaudary801

    Alimuhammed
    Becoz Sharifs R religius... becoz They R not involved in Zinnah... SS ayaashi is to do Nikah .... But IK on the other hand involved in Zinnah .... as Zinnah allegation was proved On IK in los angles cort plus Tayran is living with Jamima ... and Dont forgot the Recent allegation made by Shahid qaazi on Ik... By the way I can name those Girls which Shahid Qaazi hinted... Plus Sharifs nevor chew Gum during Namaz... I m sure that When people will go on Pol. Stations for polling they wil not votefor Zaaani and Secular person like IK... Inn Sha Allah

    Posted 2 years ago on 24 Jun 2012 20:41 #
  41. Sharif Aadmi

    Chaudary01

    "
    Plus I was a PTI supporter at one time in past.
    "

    U were not muslim at that time or didn't know about IK's character ???

    Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jun 2012 0:35 #
  42. anasyounus

    Chaudary01

    "
    Plus I was a PTI supporter at one time in past.
    "

    U were not muslim at that time or didn't know about IK's character ???

    ;) :) :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jun 2012 5:40 #
  43. lahoria84

    LOL be very careful Chaudary might declare you a kafir as well, being a supporter of PMLN obviously makes him a better Muslim than you and me :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jun 2012 5:40 #
  44. iftikharalam

    Wow, chudary wow, people talk about Nawaz duaghter running away, Aisha Ahad is thretened by police to keep her mouth shut against Hamza Shahbaz, SS forced a policeman's wife to get divorced to marry him.. You are a real munafiq, I am not secular , I am planning to homeschool my daughter just to save her from secular schooling, this is the reason why I am not supporter of MQM like my father.. I will be the first to leave IK if he showed any intentions to follow secular paths.. What NS did for islam when he was ruler of Pakistan twice in the past? was there no riba banking? were there islamic judiciary? YOU ARE REAL MUNAFIQ ON THIS FORUM.. At least zinddqiq and gang are doing what they are paid for, but u are real munafiq.. By saying u once supported IK, u proved that you are a munafiq and a liar.. Calling every supporter of IK a secular , burger, kid shows your low level thinking. Do u really think people care about this zana bakwas anymore? These stories are there for last 16 years, from the day when IK joined politics, so no one care about this carp anymore.. I am tired of you stupid zana rhetoric on every post.. bring something new!!

    Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jun 2012 6:12 #
  45. Sharif Aadmi

    Iftikhar,

    U need not to get personal and indulge in name calling to a fellow blogger.

    This is totally uncalled for .

    Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jun 2012 8:48 #
  46. iftikharalam

    Calling a true leader "suwar" on multiple of topic posts is also uncalled for!! Anyone who calls IK suwar is suwar him self!!

    Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jun 2012 16:19 #
  47. masoodabbas

    Iftikhar alam sb. Leader ko galian parti rahti hn but fellows ko galian nhn dainee chahiyeen.

    Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jun 2012 17:30 #
  48. Dear bros,
    I see that the place had really become a hot now. I would only request u all that please don’t let the decency go out of this forum. We are all Pakistanis. And our aim is one, to make our country prosper and make it a place, where everybody has a access to the best of world facilities and lives under rule of law in a peaceful state of mind. An exemplary Muslim society, at par with developed world. We can have difference of opinion in choosing our methods, ways and routes. But if we start fighting and abusing each other, I tell u no decent or a learned person will join such a forum and in the absence of such people we will not benefit from real thinking and wisdom.

    Now I will start answering few of ur again raised questions / doubts. First to Chaudry801 and bros of his like.

    Bro Chaudry, note that writing of an individual reflects his personality as well as quality of person also. I don’t want to involve into a second-rated discussion with u especially on religion. Sorry to say but from ur arguments and writings, Just by sitting here, I can measure the depth of ur knowledge and ur caliber also.

    Just last question on this subject, who has to issue the certificates of being religious and non religious to Pakistani Muslims. Choice (1) Molvi Nawaz Sharif (2) Molvi Shahbaz Sharif (3) Chaudry801 ( Tick the right answer please).

    Second, u have mentioned in ur above posted comments that PTI has a more votes / appeal in Urban areas, just by saying this u have admitted one thing. Once we say “Urban” it means People with more education, more knowledge, more information and more privileged and by saying “Rural” we mean people with less education (in total), less privileged, less informed and epically in our society, under some economic control of others also. It means that the cream of Pakistan is in support of PTI AND IMRAN KHAN. And Insha Allah very soon this cream of Pakistan will take the message to every Pakistani and will finish the difference of Urban and Rural, which suites our present insincere Politicians.

    Moreover, if u know all this why don’t u join cream of Pakistan which is more educated, knowledgeable, informed and privileged? Are u coming from Rural area, of less educated, less knowledgeable, and less informed? Then non of ur fault.

    Coming over to Masood bhai,

    Mosood, first thank u very much for appreciating me. You have asked that what efforts IK is making for the betterment of Pakistan. IK is still in first phase of his struggle and in this phase, His first and foremost effort is that he is making people awake from sleep of ignorance, he is making efforts to unite them toward a common goal (already mentioned up) He is making efforts to free the people and democracy of Pakistan from the clutches/grips of selfish, greedy, insincere and incompetent politicians. He is making efforts to take Pakistani nation toward a real democracy and moreover providing them a good leadership.

    So far IK held only one official position and that is Captain of Our Cricket Team, I think, I don’t need to tell u the results. Second in his personal capacity he is running a Cancer hospital. And if u really want to know about this project, please do interview some patient who has been to that hospital. I have seen many and I may not be able to explain u with same emotions.

    Note one thing please that I am not looking a prophet in IK, only a leader like Jinnah who can lead this nation out of present quagmire.
    .
    I will write down the reasons of my joining of PTI also and hopefully will clear many other doubts arising in the minds of people Insha Allah.

    And ur question of abusing each other, why? Don’t u have and I have real bros at home. We have arguments and difference of opinion every day in our homes. Do we abuse each other at home? Why here then?

    At the end I congratulate my PTI bros that in my first post I have written that we have 15 supporters of PTI in our complex of shops, now two undecided and one more PML N supporter has joined us and we are 18 now and Insha Allah we will try to make it a 100%. They all fully support the Imran Khan’s decision of choosing Ilayas Meherban as candidate of this constituency. Awarding ticket to such a clean and selfless gentleman of a middle class is again a prove of Imran Khan’s impartiality and vision (May Allah bless him) I request all of u that stay united among ur ranks and work selflessly. If we are able to make Pakistan a good welfare state (as I mentioned above) every Pakistani will benefit from this (including chudary 801)

    Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jun 2012 18:28 #
  49. Zaheer

    @Chauhdry brother
    They do'nt care about zina and such stupid things brother as they r not secular.Let them follow their belief.
    However it is requested to all ilzamis to please follow ethics of debate rather to unveil their background in each thread.
    You are not supposed to be enemies of each other because of following different leaders.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Jun 2012 9:06 #
  50. anasyounus

    !!!! دوسروں کو نصیحت ، خود میاں فضیحت

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Jun 2012 9:22 #
  51. siddiqi73

    Brother Zaheer,

    To carry your observation further:

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Jun 2012 9:35 #
  52. mango mam

    siddiqi73 bahi

    is zoo-nami force ki training kahan aur kitni mudat ki ho gi? any help line?

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Jun 2012 9:40 #
  53. siddiqi73

    @mango bhai,

    اگر آپ کو یاد ہو تو کسی زمانے میں پاکستان کی درس گاہوں میں نشنل کڈٹ کور کی ٹریننگ ہوا کرتی تھی ١٠ دن کی. بس، ان الزامی بچوں کو بھی اسی قسم کی ٹریننگ ملنے والی ہے اور پھر

    انقلاب کھپے کھپے

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Jun 2012 9:43 #
  54. Zaheer

    ویسے میرے خیال میں یہ زونامی بچے عام طور پہ تو بچپن سے ہے اچھی صحبت کی بدولت تربیت یافتہ ہوتے ہیں بس چاچا تاتری،چاجا لسن نسار،مبشر لقمان،علوی اور باباےٰ زونامی جیسے مرشد مل جاتے ہیں تو صحیح سمت کا تعین ہو جاتا ہے۔

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Jun 2012 9:55 #
  55. Masood abbas

    @Islamabadlover,
    thanks for answering me. So you also choose World cup and cancer hospital. Edhi sahib are doing 200% more charity work than any other person of Pak. So he should be elected President. Ricky ponting has won 3 world cups so ------
    Younus khan has also won world cup for us so he should be now our new leader.
    My dear bro, your argument that he is not in the power so he what he can do?
    Soon i will start a thread here that why i have left PTI? and i will give many reason there. Here i will only ask one question.
    Mulk ki cream means PTI kay loog kia Imran khan say pooch saktay hain kay while giving a famous interview to Julian assange before 1 week, us nay jhoot kuon bola kay wou pichlay 2 saal say Dr. Qadeer say nhn milla, while as wou 16 april 2012 ko milla tha IK say.
    Yeh latest jhoot hay jo us nay bola hay.. Kia koi bata sakta hay kuon bola hay us nay?
    Aisay buhat saray karnamay hain jo main list kur sakta hoon but kissi aur din kay liyay. Mulk ki cream mughay is baat ka jawab zaroor daina.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Jun 2012 16:11 #
  56. Dusky

    Honstly, who give a siht about cricket world cup? What kinda prosperity that cup brought to Pakistan's people... I know some player get rich after that;)

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Jun 2012 16:25 #
  57. siddiqi73

    I know Dusk! The downfall of Pakistani cricket started in 1992 when the players were showered with money, gratuities and real estate which ultimately sowed the seeds of corruption in our cricket structure.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Jun 2012 16:29 #
  58. PML N is too much strong now. PTI graph has lowered too much now. Jo party election nhi karwa sakti us na khaq karwana ha...bhea PTI ka din Gina ja chuka ha.,,PTI walo na har ak to ticket ki yaqn dahani karwi jin ko ticket nhi mila ga...wo he in ka bera garq kara ga.....PML N due to PTI pressure has become a Giant and In elections the will get more than 50% seats of NA.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Jun 2012 16:57 #
  59. Masood abbas

    We are not the part of that cream but i assure you, All the areas of South Punjab that were affected by flood will go to PMLn. SS has done a great job there during and after flood. we cant pay back but only votes.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Jun 2012 18:28 #
  60. Dear bros,
    Except Masood bhai, rest of the PML n, have exposed themselves very badly, any serious and impartial reader will come to know that the quality of good human resource have gone out of these parties.
    Masoo bhai you have asked that on the basis of social work and world level achievements, why not to select Edhi Shahib, or Jhangir Khan or others. I have lots of respects for all these Pakistanis. They have done wonderful in their lives despite all odds. They are the real assets of Pakistan.

    But again one question arises, Have they been active in the political arena also as Imran Khan? Certainly NOT. So there is no question of comparing them with IK. Mentioning IK success as team captain was meant to prove his leadership quality and competence. And same way his hospital also proves his selflessness.

    I have total respect for ur choice. If u think that SS has done something for the betterment of South Punjab, it is a good news for me also. But can u tell that why in South Punjab the demand for a separate province had gone to new hights during their govt?. Every day we hear people speaking about the deprivation of that area. Why? About cream of Pakistan, yes majority is supporting PTI, but not 100% (which is otherwise not possible) And to me, u look exception among those. Moreover I don’t watch TV much and can’t involve myself in a daily rhetoric of JALSA’S. And will not engage in a chat like discussion as of young boys who give their opinion or make their presence in a one liner.
    Thanks

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Jun 2012 22:28 #

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