Name Supporters of Musharraf and MQM Mafia

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econfused
Member

Like the many names we have picked up for Musharraf. We can add his supporters here based on the posting :)

Posted 4 years ago on 24 Jan 2008 20:05 #
zufi
Member

@enfocus
It is going to become \"Machlee Market\" dirty and smelly,
there are better ways of beating up Mush supporters.

Posted 4 years ago on 24 Jan 2008 20:13 #
econfused
Member

Well thats the idea :)

Posted 4 years ago on 24 Jan 2008 20:19 #
econfused
Member

What the heck, here goes the first entry

1) fasih_ul_yahya - \"i personly dont beleive musharaf is the criminal\" - http://pkpolitics.com/2008/01/23/guesstimate-of-na-seats-23-january-08/

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Jan 2008 3:59 #
econfused
Member

2) secular_pakista \"Believe it or not, I am both pro-democracy and and pro-Musharraf :P\"

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Jan 2008 4:01 #
Anonymous

@econfused,

I think that by tying MQM & Mush in the same bucket , we are probably distorting history.

MQM has been on the national scene since 1987 when mush was probably a colonel. Plz correct me if i wrong ?

Or do we think that our history has started just from 9th March 2007 or may be Oct 12 1999.

I think we shouldn\'t be mainuplating history to our likes and dislikes.

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Jan 2008 4:39 #
econfused
Member

@askhan75

Its the ideology :), You can read it as \"MQM and Musharraf Supporters\"

About 12th May carnage in Karachi, Musharraf said, MQM cannot allow anybody else to take THEIR city.

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Jan 2008 4:44 #
Anonymous

@econfused,

I couldn\'t get which idealogy u r talking . And how reading it as \"MQM and Musharraf Supporters\" will make a difference ?

Would u plz enlighten me on that ?

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Jan 2008 4:51 #
Adonis
Member

Both MQM and Mush are fascists. Trying to impose their will on people by use of force.

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Jan 2008 6:59 #
zufi
Member

@askhan
What do you think MQM\'s influence on pakistani society and politics been good or bad over last two decades.

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Jan 2008 7:08 #
Anonymous

@Adonis,

I think MQM has been representing Karachi for last 22 years. They have contested elections & won in worst possible scenarios but u still consider them facist.

@Zufi,
The people of karachi have put their trust in MQM consistently so i think they have served their masses.

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Jan 2008 10:46 #
Adonis
Member

Hitler and Mussolini were popular leaders who won elections, but still they were fascists. Similarly, MQM has a support base but that does not mean it is not fascist.

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Jan 2008 10:58 #
Adonis
Member

BTW, MQM got 39% votes of the total votes polled in Karachi in 2002 elections.

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Jan 2008 11:11 #
LetsDoIt
Member

@askhan75
good to see someone representing and defending Bahi-MAFIA here.

Posted 4 years ago on 25 Jan 2008 12:13 #
Fahim23
Member

@askhan75

MQM is considered as Fascist because of their brutal assassinating, exploitating lunguistic differences, murdering, extortioning, street crime activities, and many more such activities.

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 4:03 #
expakistani
Member

WHY I LIKE MQM

Ref: http://www.haqparast.net/menifesto/mqm-menifesto-2008.htm

.........At present, this unresolved issue of Provincial autonomy is the biggest cause of disharmony and distrust between the federating units of Pakistan. MQM wants a national dialogue and consensus among the federating units to settle this contentious issue in a way that fulfil the aspirations of the people of Pakistan specially the people of smaller provinces.

MQM stands committed to plead, advocate and espouse the cause of provincial autonomy through such constitutional measures whereby:

The federation should retain the subjects of Defence, Foreign affairs and currency and all other subjects should fall in the domain of the federating units.
The creation of an Inter Provincial Council for promoting harmony between federation and the provinces and amongst provinces

AZADI From Punjabi Establishment.

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 6:46 #
Karachite2008
Member

Everybody talk about 12th May....but no one talk about following

-Liaquat assassinated; high level inquiry promised

October 16 1951, Rawalpindi. Liaquat Ali Khan was shot dead today by one Said Akber, only moments after he rose to address a huge public meeting at Company Bagh, Rawalpindi.

Following the radio broadcast of the news, all public and commercial activities are shut down, as the nation prepares to mourn the death of its first PM.
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Assassin Said Akbar, killed on the spot.

Some observers are concerned about the identity of those who might really have backed Said Akber (seen dead here), who was killed by the \'angry crowd\' just after he had fired the bullets. Anxieties also lurk about the contents of the PM\'s last speech which he could never deliver, and which has not been released to the press.

Riots in Karachi

January 4 1965. Ethnic riots erupt in Karachi as citizens protest against violation of Section 144 by President’s son and Pukhtoon transporters, who took out a procession to celebrate election victory. Aggressors raid colonies in the night. Bloody massacres are witnessed, yet official sources claim only six dead.

Anti- corruption or systematic dismissal of Urdu Speaking people from Civil Service 1972
March Around 2000 government servants have been dismissed during the last three months as part of Bhutto’s campaign to \"root out corruption.\"

Ethnic riots in Sindh

July 8 1972 Following the passage of the Sindhi Language Bill yesterday, terrible ethnic riots errupt in Sindh, dividing the province along ethnic lines with Urdu-speakers and those who speak Sindhi pitted against each other.

Clean-up mess

Karachi, December 13 1986 The operation launched yesterday in Sohrab Goth, aimed at ridding the area of drugs and weapons, ends in failure. Only 65 kilos of heroin, one Kalashnikov and 2,000 rounds of ammunition are recovered from what is considered to be one of the most important transit posts in the international heroin trade. A high-level leak is suspected to be the cause for the failure.

Orangi killings

Karachi, December 14 1986 An unprecedented massacre of innocent citizens takes place in Qasba Colony, Aligarh Colony and Sector 1-D of Orangi in the early hours of the morning as several hundred marauders open fire on residents with Kalashnikovs and 7mm rifles, setting fire to homes in the area. The police refuse to intervene in what is viewed as a revenge attack by Pakhtuns on a largely mohajir locality. The carnage continues until around 4 pm, when the army is finally called in. The official death toll is 49, and several hundred more are injured.

Sindh succumbs to violence
Sep 30 1988 Unknown snipers in Hyderabad kill 120 in a brutal massacre; army called in to restore order and curfew imposed

Massacre in Hyderabad

May 27 1990 More than 60, including women and children, die in Hyderabad Pucca Qila area during a police operation, heightening the growing tension between the MQM and the PPP

These are the extracts of News paper death toll of Urdu speaking people are way beyond from the above figures as ll of them were Gov Press releases.

After all that you people remember only 12 May??

Allah have mercy on this city in coming time.

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 9:04 #
Anonymous

Asolutely Karachiete,

Some people have history starting from 12 may 2007.

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 10:08 #
econfused
Member

supporters of MQM Mafia, Killing is wrong if it happened or on 12th May. By quoting incidence in history gives you right of carnage every single time. What kind of defense is that?

This is time when people were dying in Karachi, Musharraf was saying its Mafia City and it cannot let others allow to take it.

Why we didn\'t see it in Lahore, Peshawar and any other city. Why only Mafia has to behave in certain way. Was CJ coming with Guns and Tanks?

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 13:59 #
Adonis
Member

The history did not start on May 12. The veil from evil face of MQM bhatta mafia was lifted on May 12.

Even before May 12, MQM\'s history was full of bright \'accomplishments\'.

--- Murder of Azeem Tariq
---- Murder of Salahuddin
--- Murder of Hakeem Saeed
--- Torture Cells
--- Corpse in jute bags
--- Novel torture techniques: Before MQM, drill was used to put holes in walls.

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 14:07 #
Karachite2008
Member

Well i am not the supporter of any party and nobody supporting the killing...but the point is why people don\'t talk about what happened in the past....why stick with 12th May.. and if ppl are so concerned about the killings , lets start from 1965 killing... just tell they were not Pakistanis who were brutality killed in past by planned attacks .....don\'t say forget past , if u say this then forget 12th may too bcoz its past now as well. Moreover even on 12th May not MQM was not only involved, talk about all the parties who r involved.

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 14:18 #
Anonymous

@Adonis,

All these charges have been uttered again and again. Anyone of these proved in any cout of law ? U speak of law and supremecy of law , would u plz quote even a single case proved ?

Just one question , when army can capture whole country in matter of hours , what it was doing on 12th may ? Probably , it was army jawans doing the killings on 12 may .

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 14:25 #
econfused
Member

Lame excuses, but as I said there is no justification for killing. Can you just say in Plain SIMPLE words, that what happened on May 12 was wrong and MAFIA was responsible for this?

\"THERE CAN NEVER BE ANY JUSTIFICATION FOR VIOLENCE\"

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 14:27 #
KHAN_Sahib
Member

Karachite2008

Thanks for your last post. Quite informative indeed..Just Few questions if u may answer!

1) Why ONLY MQM was involved in clashes with every single party and every ethnic group.

MQM vs Pakhtuns
MQM vs Punjabis
MQM vs Sindhis
MQM vs Baluchs

MQM vs PPP
MQM vs PPI (Punjab pukhtoon ItehaD)
MQM vs Jeye Sindh
MQM vs ANP
MQM vs Jamat-e- ISALAMI
MQM vs Sunni Tehreek
MQM vs Muhajir Qaumi Movement ( Afaq group)

and latestly MQM vs Tehreek-e- Insaaf ????

Does that mean that all these ethnic groups and Political or religious parties are wrong,evil and corrupt but ONLY MQM???

Please don\'t distorte the history cuz I was resident in KARACHI UNTILL 1994 And I remember ALTAF\'S Speeches where he used to ask MUhajir\'s to sell their tv and vcr\'s and buy Kalashankov!!!

The introduction of severe form of violence in pakistani, specially intoduced by MQM (though i believe the founders were Jamat-e-Islami) by drilling in peoples bnes, killing, burning, chopping their limbs off and leave karachi in absolute blood bath.

I am not against Muhajirs , cuz I believe , just like pukhtuns and punjabis and sindhis and kashmiris, they are also the back bone of pakistan.Indeed, they were the most educated ethnic group in pakistan and well respected (Though Altaf\'s MQM has destroyed atleast 2 generations of urdu speaking people by giving them Kalashankov in their hands and killing thousands of urdu speaking people)

I can go on and on about this topic but I will conclude my post by just one sentence.. WE NEED HONEST PEOPLE TO LEAD OUR COUNTRY REGARDLESS OF THEIR CAST OR BACKGROUND (MQM,PPP,PMLQ,PMLN,JUP(AZALREHAMAN GROUP)AND JAMAT-E ISLAMI HAVE ALL HARMED THIS NATION BEFORE AND SHOULD NOT GET 2ND CHANCE...AFTERALL ITS IN OUR RELIGION THAT \"MOMIN KABHEE BHEE DOE BAAR AIK HEE SOORAKH SAY DASSA NAHEE JAA SAKTA!!! )

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 14:37 #
Anonymous

@Econfused,

Bahi jee, 12 may 2007 was a sad day and what happened on that day is condemened and should be condemened.

MQM being part of Provinicial govt had responsibility to maintain law and order to whcih it miserably failed. In my oponion , they shouldn\'t have planned a rally for that day only.

But coming to point again , it was definately game of mafia , THE NAPAK ARMY . It used the whole event to ridiculate the politicians, political process. Do u know a single politician who asked that what army was doing on 12 may 2007 ? Army very easily diverted whole hatred towards MQM and this is the cost which MQM has been paying due to its miscalculation.

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 14:51 #
econfused
Member

Mafia controls the Karachi. Mafia alone was responsible for May 12th Carnage. As to blame Army, yes Mafia was created by Army, thanks to Zia.

It is not hatred towards MQM, it is simply a statement of facts. We make sure the our generations to come should forgive the Mafia for this carnage, but never forget.

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 15:38 #
Adonis
Member

Army cannot get involved without the request of provincial administration. Besides, on 12th may army under its mohajir chief was in cohorts with MQM.

There have been previous army chiefs who were mohajirs but they were Pakistanis first. Its quite amazing that MQM which was always dead against army in the past became such an army lover ever since mush became its chief.

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 15:44 #
Karachite2008
Member

@ KHAN_Sahib
Well i m not here to defend MQM and don\'t go in detail who did what , but the point is everybody said a lot of 12th May.....but why don\'t ppl talk about the massacre happened in past...let start from beginning from January 4 1965 or Orangi killings Karachi, December 14 1986 ??

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 20:18 #
econfused
Member

Karachite2008,

SO how come you want to start from Jan 4, 1965. We can go a little further back. What do you think if we start from Habeel and Qabeel.

You don\'t want to to go in to details of May 12, because you know well where it points to.

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 20:28 #
Karachite2008
Member

@ econfused
Well we are discussing Pakistan....so events happened in Pakistan history should be discussed....why u ignoring or hesitating the event happened beyond 12th May?

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 20:38 #
econfused
Member

I am not avoiding any events, I was vocal against the extra judicial killings of 90s. There were no forums then, but definitely had discussion with friends. If you think I will support any killing then you are mistaken.

As I said killing done by govt in 90s or anybody else does not give Mafia a right to kill people in May 12.

MAFIA was responsible for May 12 2007 carnage, and nothing can change that. I have many urdu speaking friends who left country cuz of Mafia.

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 20:44 #
Karachite2008
Member

Kool econfused i never say any killing can be justified , well if u r against killings then let me know why specific ppl were targeted in January 4 1965 , for casting the vote in favor of Qaudi Azam\'s sister Madar-e-Millat?

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 20:58 #
econfused
Member

How killing in Jan 4, 1965 can be used to Justify what Mafia did on May 12, 2007. I do know my family was supporter of Fatima Jinnah. I personally have no knowledge of that incident.

I have definitely seen what Mafia did on May 12, 2007. Nothing and I mean Nothing can justify that

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 21:02 #
Karachite2008
Member

Well econfused where i said Jan 4, 1965 can be used as the basis for any killing.....may be ur assumption....... well if don\\\'t what happened beyond 12th May, then its time for u to educate urself in order to jump in the debate

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 21:28 #
econfused
Member

Well enlighten me about the events beyond May 12th? Are you saying city is not under Mafia control any more. Mafia can keep on winning Karachi and Hyderabad, but it does not change the fact that carnage was caused by Mafia.

Question is what justification can you provide for May 12 carnage?

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 21:32 #
Karachite2008
Member

Well read the post from beginning u will know the facts and then we can discuss all the events .....C\'mom man if u say city under Mafia then how come in election 2002 MMA and other parties got seats in the city .... even MMA won seats which MQM used to win,in which part of karachi u live? or u living someone aboard?

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 21:46 #
econfused
Member

Keep avoiding, it wil change the fact that Mafia did a great service to people of city on May 12, 2007. Mafia is doing a great service by riding with dictator.

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 21:50 #
Karachite2008
Member

Keep avoiding and be ignorant about the massacre and organized terrorism beyond 12 May 2007 like Jan 4 1965.....it will never change the bitter facts...all big leaders and parties are the rider of dictator in present or past

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 22:14 #
econfused
Member

1965 is not not Beyond 2007. Two wrongs never make any thing right. If you are some home trying to say I am supporter of some event in 1965.

You kep on trying to justify the carnage of May 12, 2007. While all I am trying to say, that I do not condone ANY KILLING.

If state machinery used against mafia in 1990s, then it is troublesome for you. If Mafia used state machinery on May 12, and its ok with you.

I was against the extra judicial killing in 1990 and I am against what Mafia did on May 12, 2007.

I don\'t think I would have condoned Jan 4, 1965 If I was around.

Can you see the difference?

I DO NOT CONDONE ANY KILLING

Posted 4 years ago on 26 Jan 2008 22:25 #
Anonymous

Genetleman,
Someone said that army can\'t intervene without the request of provincial govt.

Would u enlightnen me on the intnervention of army on 12th oct 99 or 3rd of nov 2007 ?

Just , using stero types that mafia , mafia , ,mafia won\'t serve any purpose.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Jan 2008 12:20 #
Anonymous

Just to add one more thing , on one side , we claim to be democrats , standing for the caz of democracy .. on the other hand we are not willing to accept the decision of masses..

Why people sitting outside karachi or who don\'t belong to karachi want to impose their likes and dislikes on people of Karachi ?

Is it decmocracy ? i think its facisism.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Jan 2008 12:43 #
econfused
Member

Yes, you r right it is fascism.

PS: Mafia was responsible for May 12 carnage.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Jan 2008 14:23 #
rafi
Member

It is not necessary that all Muhajirs support MQM. I am Muhajir and I am proud of that, I am an Ex-MQM supporter, but I suuport all the rights of Muhajir. If MQM change their strategy and come to their original menifesto i.e. to struggle for the rights of Muhajirs then they will win my support again.
When people say Urdu speaking population of Karachi; it shows their clear bias and bigotry. They don\'t want to recognise Muhajir as fifth nationality.

Jey Muhajir

and

Jeway Pakistan.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Jan 2008 14:39 #
javedsheikh
Members

During the Partition in 1947 most of the victims of Communal Riots were Muhajirs from Punjab (Punjabi Speaking Muslims). Most of the killing was done at Lahore, Gurdaspur, Pathankot, Ferozepur, Amrtisar ‘Sectors’.
Muhajirs from the UP, CP and other parts of India (Urdu speaking Muslims) were smart enough to enter Pakistan mostly from Khokhrapar and Rajhistan border, which was comparatively safer and decided to consolidate in Karachi and Hyderabad.
They were very wise to leave a section of their families in India, playing safe by keeping the properties in India as well as getting their claims approved in Pakistan for the same properties.
In 1947 the Bureacracy was dominated by Urdu Speaking CSP’s (ICS’S), as people from Punjab, Sindh, NWFP and Baluchistan were not well educated. The Urdu-speaking Muhajirs got a friendly Civil Service in 1947, what laid the foundations of Nepotism and Favoritism, the root cause of all chaos; the whole Nation is facing today. Punjabis, (Known as Dhaggas), reciprocated by imposing the Military Rule and bringing the Urdu Speaking Civil Service under their thumb.
History of Pakistan is nothing but the History of Class Struggle, what is Dhaggas vs. Thuggas.

Posted 4 years ago on 27 Jan 2008 17:14 #
Dervaish
Member

This one\'s for Musharraf\'s children, both legitimate and otherwise:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2248012,00.html

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Jan 2008 2:55 #
expakistani
Member

Bhion merey .... Once upon a time \" Mohajirs \" were not killer,,,,,\'

BAS ES DUNIA MAIN DO HI MUZHAB HAIN
EIK ZALIM KA or EIK MUZLOOM KA

1964

Presidential Elections, clashes broke out between Urdu speakers and Pashtuns and Punjabis in Karachi, as they were in favour of Fatima Jinnah. It is the fact that President General Ayub Khan supported them, with his own family members taking part in it His son Gohar Ayub is reported to personally fired at people during a victory procession at Liaquatabad. \"...... Ayub Khan felt that Muhajir Urdu speaking Muslims were less patriotic than Pastuns and Punjabis. \"

1972 Language Riots
In 1972, ethnic riots broke out between Muhajirs and native Sindhis in Urban areas of Sindh. Muhajirs suffered heavily and Sindhis drove them out of their lands from rural areas of Sindh.

Massacre of Aligarh
On December 15, 1986, a group of armed pushtoon/ANP Workers attacked the Aligarh, Orangi and Qasba colonies and adjacent areas of Karachi and killed innocent people, burnt shops and houses Some buses and shops of innocent Muhajirs and Pushtoons were burnt and a number of them were attacked the next day, in revenge riots A total of 150 people were killed in the riots. then CM of sindh Ghoas Ali shah did nothing to stop Massacre,

& Just on personal note.... I saw EDHi ambulance first time in my life......... and Edhi sahib was on driving seat

Massacre in Hyderabad

May 27 More than 60, including women and children, die in Hyderabad Pucca Qila area during a police operation, heightening the growing tension between the MQM and the PPP... BB was PM of Pakistan...and those who dies were mostly mohajirs

30th Septemebr 1988 massacre of Hyderabad, Sindh, when more then 300 people were shot dead by unknown Sindhi nationalists

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Jan 2008 4:22 #
econfused
Member

Why stop at 1988. and the question which needs to be asked, why kill people who were going to welcome CJ. The only guy who has given hope to this country for rule of law?

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Jan 2008 4:33 #
expakistani
Member

or merey Bhai E&fully confused!!!

look for future.......88, 07 or 64, try not to add 2008.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Jan 2008 4:45 #
econfused
Member

The way I see it, MQM forgot its original mission and just became a weapon for Musharraf The dictator. I am not here to change the history. I can comment on the events which are happening now.

When I comment for rule of law and independent judiciary, it means I still have hope for the future. Do you know why I still have to hope for the future, because my passport is green. Hope is the only thing which will keep me going.

I also hope that \"not to add 2008\" is not a threat also.

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Jan 2008 4:55 #
Fahim23
Member

@ expakistani

You wrote ...
\"1972 Language Riots
In 1972, ethnic riots broke out between Muhajirs and native Sindhis in Urban areas of Sindh. Muhajirs suffered heavily and Sindhis drove them out of their lands from rural areas of Sindh.\"

In Sindh, Karachi and Hyderabad are the most developed cities of the province. They entertain best possible EDUCATION, HEALTH AND EMPLOYMENT facilities of not only province but to some extent of the country.

These two cities have always contain (till today) major portion of Urdu speaking community, whom very few of them consider themselves sindhis. But surprisingly, they do call themselves Pakistanis.

If you had a little self esteem you would not have been that much thankless when you bluntly twist the history by stating that Sindhis drove urdu speakers from rural areas\"

Posted 4 years ago on 28 Jan 2008 5:27 #