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No Prophet After Muhammad (PBUH)
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Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jan 2010 16:04 #
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NNL
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Imam Madhi will be for the Muslims and Issa Ibn Marium Alahis Salam will deal with the Dajjal and Kuffar.
And the Prefence will be given to one person only and that is
Rasool Allah Sallaho Alahi Wasallam. Both will be following one man, one sharia and will not be adding anything new to what has already been revealed.As far as whose status will be higher i m not sure so i will not comment as it hasnt been in my knowledge so far.
Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jan 2010 16:22 # -
jaypk
Member@NNL..thanks bro...but i mean..whn i asked a few ppl with religious background...they were stumbled on this question tht..would imam mehdi be a prophet? and thn who would be the head..as if both are prophets thn we have to follow any isnt it?
@doost...as far as my knowledge is concerned you guys say tht hazrat EEsa AS died in this world...any proofs evidences in this regards?
Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jan 2010 17:29 # -
jaypak Imam mehdi can not and will not be a Prophet as Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the seal of the Prophets and it has been clearly said in Quran about it as “but he is the Messenger of Allaah and the last (end) of the Prophets” [al-Ahzaab 33:40]
This tells that there wont be any new Prophet after him....Jesus(PBUH) is already a Prophet who was given Enjil as a Holy book so he will not be given another revelation plus there is no need of it as Quran is for the last day...
is there still any doubt left about imam mehdi being another Prophet? as for who will lead whom then there are some traditions of Prophet(PBUH) about it but most authentic one i will quote here...
The version narrated by Muslim says: "Then ‘Eesaa ibn Maryam (Peace be upon him) will descend and their leader will say, ‘Come and lead us in prayer,’ but he will say, ‘No, some of you are leaders over others as an honour from Allaah to this ummah.’"
Al Mehdi(the guided one) will be an obedient servant of Allah(swt) from the family of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)
Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jan 2010 19:14 # -
Imam Mahdi,Dajjal and Prophet Jesus(PBUH) will come in the same period but the order of their appearance is not confirmed...some of the scholars says Imam mahdi will come first then Dajjal then Jesus (Pbuh)...but God knows best...
Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jan 2010 19:25 # -
jaypk
Member@rhyme...thanks fr tht...
i think the word prophet is the one which is the point of concern...or in arabic...'nabi'...as it says in quran "la nabi baa,di"...tht thr wouldnt be any 'nabi' after (PBUH) and tht means no new shariya would be thr...and no new book as well...!!
so imam e mahdi AS wouldnt be a prophet...thn he would be a reformer? or a follower?..i mean whd shud we call him...! as most of our scholars say Alieh e Salam (AS) after Imam mahdi..and this AS is only used for prophets?
Posted 2 years ago on 28 Jan 2010 10:17 # -
ased
Member@jaypk
Doost should answer your question with references i hope, but i just give you a simple answer or statement, that people who say that Jesus As fly to heaven they should give me a proof. because the thing that someone fly to heaven never happend in case that you hold yourself on the law of nature, but if someone die is better to understand, because the Khatamul Nabiyeen Mohammad saw died too.Posted 2 years ago on 28 Jan 2010 10:18 # -
jaypak well many call him just imam mehdi prolly because he will do imamut and lead everyone including Jesus (PBUH) in prayers...and like in that hadeeth of sahih muslim,its said about Jesus that upon asking to lead in prayer he would reply as ‘No, some of you are leaders over others as an honour from Allaah to this ummah.’....so we can call imam mehdi a Leader plus the duties that will be given to him is of a leader...
Posted 2 years ago on 28 Jan 2010 13:28 # -
NNL
memberImam Mahdi Hafidullah then Khibas al Kibar Dajjal and then Issa ibn Mariam Alahisallam.
So far i m not aware of anything which clearly explains the leadership status when Imam Mahdi and Issa ibn Mariam Alahisalam. There may be authentic ahadiths regarding but i m not aware of them.
Issa Ibn Mariam Alahi Sallam would be returning as his previous status of a prophet. He will pick up things from where he left off. His entire mission would be based on wiping the Dajjal and his army.
There are also reports that Issa ibn Marium will also rule probably but not more authentic.
Posted 2 years ago on 28 Jan 2010 13:47 # -
jaypk
Member@rhyme..can you kindly quote the hadees fr reference..? thanks
Posted 2 years ago on 28 Jan 2010 14:51 # -
ased
MemberIslam don't order that we must believe in someone else then the Prophet and Khulfa (because they are the succesor of the Prophet on the earth). So the Imam Mahdi must be a Prophet, because 1. we know that he will not be a Khalifa of Prophet saw (Muhammad saw never told that) 2. We have to believe on him.
Though Jesus AS or Imam Mahdi are two different persons or not, or should he come befor Jesus AS or not. It doesn't matter, we have to accept him, and there is nobody we have to believe on, as a prophet.Posted 2 years ago on 30 Jan 2010 4:52 # -
toamin
memberMuhammad PBUH was the last prophet, there is no prophet after him.
Eesa ibn Mariam AS was a prophet but he will not return as prophet meaning he will not receive any wahi from Allah swt, Eesa ibn Mariam AS will be an ummati of Prophet Muhammad PBUH and will judge based on Sharia.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyyani claimed to be a prophet and he used corrupted ideas and concepts to convince the Muslims to accept him as prophet, but this corruption will not be allowed in a Muslim society. They are free to believe whatever they believe in their heart, but will not be allowed to propagate corruption in society -simple.
Posted 2 years ago on 30 Jan 2010 8:28 # -
@jaypak
Sorry i couldn't come online in last days....i quoted the hadeeth in my reply above i think u missed it there but anyway here it is....the hadeeth is in
Book 1 (Sahih Muslim)-The Book of Faith(Kitab Al-Iman)
Chapter 72: THE DESCENT OF JESUS SON OF MARY, AND HE WILL JUDGE ACCORDING TO THE SHARIIAH OF OUR APOSTLE, MUHAMMAD (MAY PEACE BE UPON HIM)
Book 001, Number 0293:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: A section of my people will not cease fighting for the Truth and will prevail till the Day of Resurrection. He said: Jesus son of Mary would then descend and their (Muslims') commander would invite him to come and lead them in prayer, but he would say: No, some amongst you are commanders over some (amongst you). This is the honour from Allah for this Ummah.Posted 2 years ago on 01 Feb 2010 12:23 # -
jaypk
Member@rhyme..thts ok...since i m the one who sits on the PC 24 hours...i think its ok...:)
thanks fr the hadees..i ll review it ..!
Posted 2 years ago on 02 Feb 2010 17:00 # -
jaypk@
Hadhrat Muhammad(SAW) and his companions(sahabbas) had belief that Hadhrat Essa(AS)had died.
According to well known book KUNZUL EMAAN page#120 vol#6
Hadhrat MUHAMMAD(SAW)revealed that Hadhrat Essa(Masih)remained
alive for 120 years.He(SAW) said if Essa(AS)was alive He had no way but to fallow me.(Refrence ALYUWAQEET-WAL-JAWAH page#22
Same point is also quoted by (Sarah Akbar Misar-Egypt)The Quran is quite clear that Hadhrat Jesusas has passed away, and gives no support to the concept of Hadhrat Jesusas physically going to heaven.
IN QURAN
"Jesus said, I am a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and made me a prophet. And He has made me blessed wheresoever I may be and has enjoined on me prayer and alms-giving so long as I live. He has made me dutiful toward my mother, and He has not made me haughty and unblessed. Peace was on me the day I was born, and peace there shall be on the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised up to life again." (19:31-4)The verse shows Hadhrat Jesusas must have died, and could not exist in heaven with his physical body:
If he was still alive, he would have to give alms in heaven, but who would need alms there?
If he would descend again to earth alive, he would have to follow the Jewish prescriptions on both prayer and alms-giving - and could not be a follower of Islamic law.
Did his mother accompany him to heaven physically? How could he otherwise behave like a dutiful son towards her?Posted 2 years ago on 06 Feb 2010 12:45 # -
"Keep in mind when God will say to Jesus, son of Mary: Didst thou say to people: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? - and he will answer, Holy art Thou, I could never say that to which I had no right. If I had said it, Thou wouldst have surely known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. It is only Thou who art the Knower of hidden things. I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me: Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the Watcher over them, and Thou art Witness over all things." (5:117-8)
The verse proves that:The corruption of Christian doctrine took place after the death of Hadhrat Jesusas. If Hadhrat Jesusas is still alive, as some Muslims believe, then Christianity must still be pure.
The same Hadhrat Jesusas will not appear a second time in this world, as he would then become aware that Christians had now taken his mother as Divine, and could not, therefore plead ignorance in front of God's judgment seat.The Quran says about persons or beings worshiped as God: "They are dead, not living; and they know not when they will be raised." (16:21)
If Hadhrat Jesusas is alive, as some Muslims believe, he must be GodPosted 2 years ago on 06 Feb 2010 15:55 # -
NNL
memberto the poor fools who argue with the Quran
And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam (Mary) a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse); (156) And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]: (157) But Allah raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise. (158) And there is none of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), but must believe in him ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), as only a Messenger of Allah and a human being], before his ['Iesa (Jesus) or a Jew's or a Christian's] death (at the time of the appearance of the angel of death). And on the Day of Resurrection, he ['Iesa (Jesus)] will be a witness against them. (159) Surah Nisa 156-159
Posted 2 years ago on 06 Feb 2010 16:33 # -
BaliMA
MemberMuhammad PBUH was the last prophet, there is no prophet after him.
Eesa ibn Mariam AS was a prophet but he will not return as prophet meaning he will not receive any wahi from Allah swt, Eesa ibn Mariam AS will be an ummati of Prophet Muhammad PBUH and will judge based on Sharia.
so is esesa still alive in the sky and then he is going to come back or is he dead up there and when he is about to come down he will get life. Is eesa divine that he is not dead? Why is everyother prophet dead but eesa still alive in the sky? Please educate.
Posted 2 years ago on 07 Feb 2010 0:58 # -
NNL
memberBalima Wrote:
so is esesa still alive in the sky and then he is going to come back or is he dead up there and when he is about to come down he will get life. Is eesa divine that he is not dead? Why is everyother prophet dead but eesa still alive in the sky? Please educate.
===================================This matter is between Allah Azza Wa Jal and His Prophets Alayhi Sallam. why do u need to know the details. This detail wont help you either in your life nor your akhira ( if you believe in it ).
Posted 2 years ago on 07 Feb 2010 2:49 # -
The notion that Hadhrat Jesusas floated into the sky towards God is an Un-Quranic concept. Before going into the specific verses which refute this popular belief, it should be noted that Heaven is a spiritual state which our souls experience AFTER death. It is not a physical location beyond the stratosphere. By climbing Mount Everest, we do not come closer to God!
Humans, according to the Quran, must live and die in the physical universe.
"And for you there is an abode on the earth and a provision for a time, He said, therein shall you live and therein shall you die and therefrom shall you be brought forth." ( 7:25-6)
"Have we not made the earth so as to hold the living and the dead?" (77:26-7)
On one occasion the enemies of the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, challenged him that they will not believe in him unless he "ascend up into heaven" and "send down to us a Book." (17:93) The Holy Prophetsaw replied: "Holy is my Lord! I am but a mortal sent as a messenger." (17:93)
Thus the Prophets, like all humans, lived and died on the earth. If Jesus is alive today, he must be more than a mortal.
IF ANY HUMAN BEING WAS ABLE TO GO TO HEAVEN WITH HIS PHYSICAL BODY THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OUR BELOVED HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMADsaw, THE GREATEST OF ALL PROPHETS. But the verses above indicate that since he is but a man, it is not possible.
N N L you knows better which Nabi is AFZAL NABI.
Balima it is for your also :no body can go in heaven with physical body. Then why Essa (AS)?Posted 2 years ago on 07 Feb 2010 5:48 # -
More Evidence in the Quran
I will cause you to die"
An important verse is the following:"When Allah said, O Jesus, I will cause you to die and will raise you to myself, and will clear thee of those who disbelieve, and will place those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection, then to Me shall be your return and I will judge between you concerning that wherein you differ." (3:56)
The verse clearly indicates that Hadhrat Jesusas was to die a natural death and then only would he be raised to Allah. The verse does not say that Hadhrat Jesusas will be raised first then will die.
An important word used in the Quran is mutawaffi, derived from tawaffa. When God is the subject and a human is the object, tawaffa means to take away the soul, i.e, death.
Zamakhshari (467-538 A.H), an Arab linguist of great repute says, "Mutawaffika means, I will protect you from being killed by the people and will grant you full lease of life ordained for you, and will cause you to die a natural death not being killed (Kashshaf)." Scholars and commentators like Hazrat Ibn Abbas, Imam Malik, Imam Bukhari, Imam ibn Hazm, Imam ibn Qayyin, Qatadah, Wahhab and others are of the same view.
Note that the same word Tawaffa, has been used in other places in the Quran to indicate death. For example, 2:235: "and those of you who die (yatawaffou-na) and leave wives behind, these wives shall wait concerning themselves for four months and ten days."
Another important word is rafaa, which means raising, elevating, lifting, exaltation, honor. When the rafaa of a man is spoken of as being towards Allah, the meaning is invariably spiritual elevation and exaltation. For example the Quran says about Prophet Enoch: "We exalted him to a lofty station (19:58)."
A commentary of the Quran by Ibn Khatib ("modern" Egyptian Commentary) summarizes: "And those who assert that Jesus is dead, point to the word of the exalted God: every soul shall taste death, and Jesus, peace be upon him belonged to the human species for which death is ordained. Some people presume that he is dead, and lies buried in a locality which they mention by name, and may be it is India, and God - may He be exalted - knows best what He has said and done."
Posted 2 years ago on 07 Feb 2010 5:55 # -
BaliMA
Member003.054
YUSUFALI: And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
PICKTHAL: And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.
SHAKIR: And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners.003.055
YUSUFALI: Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
PICKTHAL: (And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.
SHAKIR: And when Allah said: O Isa, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so l will decide between you concerning that in which you differed.003.056
YUSUFALI: "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
PICKTHAL: As for those who disbelieve I shall chastise them with a heavy chastisement in the world and the Hereafter; and they will have no helpers.
SHAKIR: Then as to those who disbelieve, I will chastise them with severe chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have no helpers.003.057
YUSUFALI: "As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allah loveth not those who do wrong."
PICKTHAL: And as for those who believe and do good works, He will pay them their wages in full. Allah loveth not wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: And as to those who believe and do good deeds, He will pay them fully their rewards; and Allah does not love the unjust.003.058
YUSUFALI: "This is what we rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom."
PICKTHAL: This (which) We recite unto thee is a revelation and a wise reminder.
SHAKIR: This We recite to you of the communications and the wise reminder.003.059
YUSUFALI: The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.
PICKTHAL: Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is.
SHAKIR: Surely the likeness of Isa is with Allah as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, Be, and he was.003.060
YUSUFALI: The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.
PICKTHAL: (This is) the truth from thy Lord (O Muhammad), so be not thou of those who waver.
SHAKIR: (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of the disputers.Posted 2 years ago on 07 Feb 2010 10:29 # -
BaliMA
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YUSUFALI: (They have incurred divine displeasure): In that they broke their covenant; that they rejected the signs of Allah; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right; that they said, "Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve Allah's Word; We need no more)";- Nay, Allah hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy, and little is it they believe;-
PICKTHAL: Then because of their breaking of their covenant, and their disbelieving in the revelations of Allah, and their slaying of the prophets wrongfully, and their saying: Our hearts are hardened - Nay, but Allah set a seal upon them for their disbelief, so that they believe not save a few -
SHAKIR: Therefore, for their breaking their covenant and their disbelief in the communications of Allah and their killing the prophets wrongfully and their saying: Our hearts are covered; nay! Allah set a seal upon them owing to their unbelief, so they shall not believe except a few.004.156
YUSUFALI: That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;
PICKTHAL: And because of their disbelief and of their speaking against Mary a tremendous calumny;
SHAKIR: And for their unbelief and for their having uttered against Marium a grievous calumny.004.157
YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
PICKTHAL: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.
SHAKIR: And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.004.158
YUSUFALI: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
PICKTHAL: But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.
SHAKIR: Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.004.159
YUSUFALI: And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-
PICKTHAL: There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them -
SHAKIR: And there is not one of the followers of the Book but most certainly believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he (Isa) shall be a witness against them.Posted 2 years ago on 07 Feb 2010 10:35 # -
BaliMA
Memberdosst You have a bad translation of 3:56. Keep the discussion to Quran and use a surah to make your point. I am not interested on any commentary by any poet or linguistic.
I am still waiting for an answer to how Jesus died, was he alive when he was raised into heaven or is he still alive? Is he coming back? Yes or no?Humans, according to the Quran, must live and die in the physical universe.
Humans according to the quran are born a certain way but Jesus was a special case of miracle birth or was he born like all humans?Posted 2 years ago on 07 Feb 2010 10:42 # -
BaliMA
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YUSUFALI: And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.
PICKTHAL: And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path.
SHAKIR: And most surely it is a knowledge of the hour, therefore have no doubt about it and follow me: this is the right path.Posted 2 years ago on 07 Feb 2010 10:48 # -
The verse that refers to the crucifixion is 4:158,159:
And for their saying, We did slay the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah; whereas they slew him not, nor did they bring about his death upon the cross, but he was made to appear to them like one crucified; and those who differ therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it; they have no certain knowledge thereof, but pursue only a conjecture; and they did not arrive at a certainty concerning it. On the contrary, Allah exalted him to himself. And Allah is Mighty, Wise."
The argument of the Jews was that because Hadhrat Jesusas died on the cross, considered an accursed death according to the law of the Torah, Hadhrat Jesusas could not be a true prophet. The Quran rejects the slaying of Hadhrat Jesusas in any form, including killing by nailing to the cross. Nothing in the verse suggests Hadhrat Jesusas was NOT nailed to the cross: the verse only denies DEATH by nailing to the cross.
The words "Shubbi-ha la hum" means "he made it or him to be like it or him", or "dubious." The question arises, who is the person who was made to appear "like one crucified." Clearly it was Hadhrat Jesusas whom the Jews tried to crucify or slay. The theory invented by some Muslim commentators that someone else was made to look like Hadhrat Jesusas and was then crucified in his place, is simply absurd. The context of the verse cannot be twisted to make room for someone else. No one else is mentioned. Besides, the belief that God made someone else, an innocent person, look like Hadhrat Jesusas, and die in his place, makes God look very cruel.
the belief of a Jesus-look-alike dying on the cross instead of Hadhrat Jesusas has its origin in Christianity, and came into Islamic belief through conversion of Christians to Muslims.So the Quran is clear that Hadhrat Jesusas only appeared to be crucified, and in fact the Jews were in a state of doubt.
The last portion quoted above refers to rafaa, spiritual exaltation. The plan of the Jews to make Hadhrat Jesusas appear accursed by making him die the accursed death of crucifixion failed, and on the contrary, Hadhrat Jesusas survived the crucifixion. In the sight of Allah, Hadhrat Jesusas was not accursed.
In summary, according to the Quran, humans live and die in the physical universe. Prophets are human beings. Prophets, like all humans, are subject to hunger, pain, death, etc. The Quran is clear that Hadhrat Jesusas was a human being like the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. To say that Hadhrat Jesusas is alive today, 2000 years after he was born, is to make him more than a human. The Laws of God do not change. In fact, the Quran makes a general statement: "But you will never find any change in the way of Allah, nor will you find any alteration in the way of Allah." (35:44)
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 6:02 # -
BaliMA
Memberaccording to the Quran, humans live and die in the physical universe. Prophets are human beings. Prophets, like all humans, are subject to hunger, pain, death, etc. The Quran is clear that Hadhrat Jesusas was a human being like the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw.
The Quran says the Jesus was not a normal human being. He had a miracle birth and he also performed miracles etc. What was the ending of Jesus on earth in Quran. If he was not crucified than did he die of natural causes or was he raised alive to heaven? What does the Quran say?
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 11:28 # -
NNL
memberThis matter is between Allah Azza Wa Jal and His Prophets Alayhi Sallam. why do u need to know the details. This detail wont help you either in your life nor your akhira ( if you believe in it ).
You all may wish to have any sort of interpretation or ideology regarding the Ayahs but we as Muslims understand them as the Rasool Allah Sallaho Alahi Wa Ala Aalayhi Wasallam told us to understand it and thats how the Sahaba understood it.
You can bring weird arguments which you may think points but their validity is not decided.
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 14:21 # -
jaypk
Membermy addition to that would be...why jesus was picked up by Allah SWT...i mean just becasue he was on the cross and couldmt bear the pain?? so whd abt PBUH? he was stonned and he was tortured as well in his life so why wasnt he picked up by Allah SWT...?
Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 17:24 # -
BaliMA
MemberDo You deny the Quran? Do you deny the miracle birth? Do you deny jesus talking as a baby in his cradle? The quran is very clear about jesus. Do you get it or should I provide more proof
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YUSUFALI: He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.
PICKTHAL: He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.
SHAKIR: He said: I am only a messenger of your Lord: That I will give you a pure boy.019.020
YUSUFALI: She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"
PICKTHAL: She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste?
SHAKIR: She said: When shall I have a boy and no mortal has yet touched me, nor have I been unchaste?019.021
YUSUFALI: He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed."
PICKTHAL: He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.
SHAKIR: He said: Even so; your Lord says: It is easy to Me: and that We may make him a sign to men and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter which has been decreed.019.022
YUSUFALI: So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.
PICKTHAL: And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place.
SHAKIR: So she conceived him; then withdrew herself with him to a remote place.019.023
YUSUFALI: And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"
PICKTHAL: And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm-tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of naught, forgotten!
SHAKIR: And the throes (of childbirth) compelled her to betake herself to the trunk of a palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died before this, and had been a thing quite forgotten!019.024
YUSUFALI: But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;
PICKTHAL: Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee,
SHAKIR: Then (the child) called out to her from beneath her: Grieve not, surely your Lord has made a stream to flow beneath you;019.025
YUSUFALI: "And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.
PICKTHAL: And shake the trunk of the palm-tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee.
SHAKIR: And shake towards you the trunk of the palmtree, it will drop on you fresh ripe dates:019.026
YUSUFALI: "So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'"
PICKTHAL: So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent, and may not speak this day to any mortal.
SHAKIR: So eat and drink and refresh the eye. Then if you see any mortal, say: Surely I have vowed a fast to the Beneficent Allah, so I shall not speak to any man today.019.027
YUSUFALI: At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!
PICKTHAL: Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing.
SHAKIR: And she came to her people with him, carrying him (with her). They said: O Marium! surely you have done a strange thing.019.028
YUSUFALI: "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"
PICKTHAL: O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot.
SHAKIR: O sister of Haroun! your father was not a bad man, nor, was your mother an unchaste woman.019.029
YUSUFALI: But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
PICKTHAL: Then she pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?
SHAKIR: But she pointed to him. They said: How should we speak to one who was a child in the cradle?Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 22:42 # -
The fact that Jesus (peace be upon him) is dead is clearly mentioned in the sayings of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).
These will be outlined below:"If Jesus and Moses had been alive, they would have had no choice but to follow me." (Kathir vol II, p 245 and al yawaqit wal Jawahir, part 2, page 24).
"Jesus son of Mary lived for 120 years, and I see myself as only entering upon the beginning of the sixties." (Kanz al Ummal, part 6, p.120).
In Bukhari, it is reported that in the spiritual event known as the miraj, the Holy Prophetsaw saw Hadhrat Yahyaas and Hadhrat Jesusas in the second heaven. If Hadhrat Yahyaas is dead, then Hadhrat Jesusas is dead, for the dead do not keep company with the living.
In Bukhari, it is recorded that after the death of Hadhrat Muhammadsaw, some of the companions, among them Hadhrat Umar ibn al-Khattabra, doubted he was really dead. However, Hadhrat Abu Bakrra, ascended to the pulpit in the Mosque and recited the Quranic verse: Muhammad is only a Messenger. All Messengers before him have passed away. If he dies, or is killed, will you then turn upon your heels? (3:145)
After the short speech and recitation of this verse, the companions realized that indeed, the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw had passed away. NO ONE OBJECTED THAT HADHRAT JESUSas OR ANY OTHER PROPHET HAD NOT DIED. EVERYONE ACCEPTED AND CONFIRMED THE DEATH OF ALL PREVIOUS PROPHETS. THIS WAS THE FIRST IJMA OR CONSENSUS OF THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY.The family of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw were also agreed on the death of Hadhrat Jesusas. Imam Hasanra, recounting the events relating to the death of Hadhrat Alira, stated, "he (Ali) died during the 27th night of the month of Ramadan, the same night that the spirit of Jesus was raised to heaven." (Tabaqat Ibn Sa'ad, vol III Page 26).
The words of the Holy Prophetsaw, his family, and his companions all indicate that Hadhrat Jesusas passed away like all mortals
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And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way. (61)
Surah 43:61
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In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Ever Merciful
“And peace on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die, and on the day that I shall be raised up to life (again). Such is Jesus, the son of Mary; (this is) the saying of truth about which they dispute.” (Quran 19:33-34)
Before coming to the subject under discussion there is an important principle which needs to be discussed.
HOW DOES THE QUR’AN EXPLAIN ITS SUBJECTS ?
The Qur'an is not like an ordinary book whose chapters are bifurcated according to subject at one place, rather the Quran has its topics scattered within its Sura's (Chapters) at many places. So if one needs to understand a topic then he has to look into all the locations within the Qur'an where that subject occurs and compile all the verses related to it. If we do this excersize, then we observe that all the verses about one particular subject explain and clarify each other. And once we organize those verses according to subject, we see what it really is that the Qur'an is saying about that topic. This manner of Qur'anic study is not my own invention but already presented in the Qur'an. The following verses identify this aspect:
“And thus do We REPEAT the Ayat <nussariful ayat> and that they may say: You have read; and that We may make it clear to a people who know.” (6:105)
“And certainly We have REPEATED <sarrafna> for men in this Quran every kind of similitude, but most men do not consent to aught but denying.” (17:89)
It is by repeating the Ayat at different places within the Quran that Allah discusses different subjects, and by gathering and analyzing those Ayat, we get the explanation <Tafseel> of the Book of Allah, as said in the following verse:
“And this Quran is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah, but it is a verification of that which is before it and a clear explanation of the book, <tafseel al kitab> there is no doubt in it, from the Lord of the worlds.” (10:37)
The above verse informs us that the Quran is itself <Tafseel al Kitab>, i.e. “A detailed explanation of the Book”. Whatever may be the subject under discussion, the Quran elucidates it by it self. What is not clear in one verse is clarified through some other passage of the Qur'an itself. So it is by this method that research should be conducted on the Qur'an, and it is by this method that this topic will be presented to you.
BODILY ASCENSION OF JESUS - THE ORIGIN OF THIS BELIEF
It is popular among many that Jesus was not crucified but ‘taken up into heaven alive’ and will be coming back (in his own person) before the Day of Judgement. Almost all over the World, many people have this belief as an article of faith. Where does this belief originate from? In very clear terms it is to be found in the Bible. Here are some references:
ASCENSION OF JESUS:
“So then, after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was RECEIVED UP INTO HEAVEN,AND SAT ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD.” - MARK 16:19
“And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, AND CARRIED UPINTO HEAVEN.” - LUKE 24:51
The above verses from the Christian Bible leave no ambiguity in demonstrating that the Acsension of Jesus is Christian idea. Further more the Jews also have the concept of 'bodily acsension into heaven regarding "Elijah", as stated in the Jewish scriptures:
“And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; AND ELIJAH WENT UP BY A WHIRLWIND INTO HEAVEN.” - KINGS 2:11
“And Enoch walked with God; and he was not; FOR GOD TOOK HIM.” - GENESIS 5:24
Apart from these many other faiths also have the concept of a coming ‘Saviour’ and Ascensions in body. As we have seen that this faith is that of the Jews and the Christians, now let us proceed to see as to what does Al-Qur'an say about this matter. It should be kept in mind that to be a Muslim one has to believe in and agree with what the Qur'an is saying. Even the slightest disagreement with the Qur'an invalidates the claim to be a Muslim. (See 41:26)
DEPARTURE OF JESUS FROM THIS WORLD- A QURANIC PERSPECTIVE
When Jesus (p) propagated the message of Allah, and invited people to obey the laws of Allah alone, the Religious leaders and Priests felt threatened, as in a Social order where subservience and obedience is only for Allah's Laws, there is no room left for the Clergy and they in turn showed severe opposition to the mission of Jesus:
“But when Isa perceived UNBELIEF <kufr> on their part, he said Who will be my helpers in Allah's way? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the way) of Allah: We believe in Allah and bear witness that we are submitting ones <muslims>.” (3:52)
Now the unbelievers in Jesus' message plotted to stop the message of Allah from gaining ground, so they plotted against the person of Jesus.
“And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.” (3:54)
But Jesus himself stated that the unbelievers would not be able to kill him but instead his death would be in peace:
“And PEACE IS ON ME on the day I was born, and on the DAY THAT I DIE, and on the day I shall be raised up to life (again).” (19:33)
Allah himself assured Jesus that the unbelievers will not kill him, instead it is Allah who will complete his period of life and cause him to die, as said in the following verse:
“Lo ! God said:
JIn above Allah clearly informs that He will complete Jesus' life on earth, and this is confirmed again, namely that Jesus had to die a natural death, when we are reminded through Jesus himself stating on the Last Day:
“I did not say to them aught save what Thou didst enjoin me with: That serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord, and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst CAUSE ME TO DIE <tavafaytani>, Thou wert the watcher over them, and Thou art witness of all things” (5:117 M. H. Shakir)
In above verse Jesus' statement that :
“..when Thou didst cause me to die.. <fallamatavafaaytani>”
Is confirming what Allah had earlier said to him in 3:55:
“..Verily I shall cause thee to die... <inni mutavafeeka>”
In other words Jesus was neither crucified nor taken up into heaven but Allah caused him to die a natural death, i.e. fully completed his life span. Then in the above mentioned verse Jesus is saying:
“..and I was a witness of them AS LONG AS I WAS AMONG THEM.. <wa kuntu alayhim shahidun maa dumtu feehim> ..”
And further he says;
“...but when Thou didst cause me to die, Thou wert the watcher over them.. <falama tavafaytani kunta antar raqiba alayhim>.”
Here Jesus clearly mentions two periods, one in which he dwelt among his people, and the other in which Allah caused him to die. There is no other period mentioned here which informs of a stage of being taken up and stationed in heaven temporarily. Furthermore in 19:31 he says:
“And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be and hath enjoined on me Prayer (Salat) and Charity (Zakat)as long as I live.” (19:31)
In above verse the words “.. as long as I live..” bear some importance. Jesus is to establish Salat and give Zakat AS LONG AS HE LIVES. Now if we accept that Jesus is taken up into heaven alive, then how is he performing these activities up there? He mentions that Allah has enjoined Salat and Zakat on him AS LONG AS HE LIVES <maa dumtu hay'yaa>. Now some one can say that in heaven he may be performing Salat. But what about Zakat? Are there any Orphans and Unfortunate persons in heaven as well to whom Jesus is paying Zakat? Does God have any poor people in heaven too? Giving Zakat in heaven would say that in heaven there are poor people! Does this make any sense?!
The above verse is very clear in informing that as long as Jesus lived on this earth, he performed these activities, i.e. Salat and Zakat, and Allah caused him to die a natural death. Now we come to the other issue which creates confusion for people, that is, Jesus being raised unto God.
ALLAH RAISED JESUS TO HIMSELF - WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ?
The opponents of Jesus (p) wanted to depict that Jesus was false in his position as a Messenger of God, and wanted to have him crucified. Crucifixion would mean that Jesus was a (Allah forbid us) cursed person and his death was a cursed death. As crucifixion is mentioned in Jewish law (Old testament) as a punishment for blasphemy, and the crucified person is considered cursed and degraded in God's law (According to the Jews). Their Book says:
“His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for inheritence.” - DEUTERONOMY 21:23
In the New Testament it is also said that Jesus (p) died an accursed death (Astaghfirullah) :
“Christ hath redeemed us, from the CURSE of the law, being made a CURSE for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE.” - GALATIANS 3:13
It is evident from above that the unbelievers want to show the world that Jesus being hanged on the cross died a cursed death, and this boast of theirs is also mentioned in the Qur'an;
“That they said (in boast) We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of God..” (4:157)
But Allah confirmed in the Qur'an that Jesus did not live a cursed life nor died a cursed death but on the contrary he enjoys an exalted and honourable status from Allah. This is what is said in 3:55, that: <Yaa essa inni mutavafeeka wa ra'afiuka illaya> “..O Jesus! Verily I shall cause thee to die, and shall EXALT thee <rafi'uka ilaya> unto me..”
The word in above Ayah is <rafi uka> which means elevate you or exalt you. The word <raf'aa> literally means ‘to raise or elevate’, but in the Qur'an it has been used in many verses to convey the meaning of ‘Raising one's ranks or status in the sight of Allah’, and not physical raising up. Some verses are produced here to show that the meaning of <Raf'aa> is to raise in ranks and exalt someone:
“It is He Who hath made you (His) agents inheritors of the earth: He hath RAISED <raf'aa> you in ranks some above others: that He may try you in the gifts He hath given you: for thy Lord is quick in punishment: yet He is indeed Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.” (6:165)
“And RAISED <raf'ana> high the esteem (in which) thou (art held)?” (94:4)
Above verse mentioned of raising with degrees or <zikr>. But in following verses only raising alone is used to convey the meaning of elevation of ranks and exaltation.
Also mention in the Book the case of Idris:
“He was a man of truth (and sincerity) (and) a prophet:” 19:57
“And We RAISED HIM <raf'a na hu> to a lofty station.” (19:56)
In above Nabi Idris (p) is being ‘raised’ to a <makan an alaiya> i.e. a lofty station. This is not that Allah placed him up on a high mountain or sky scraper, but that his rank and status near Allah is exalted and he is elevated in that aspect. Finally the following verse clearly demonstrates that for ‘raising’ ones rank or status the word <raf aa> alone is used.
“And if We had pleased, We would certainly have EXALTED him <le rafa'nahu> thereby; but he clung to the earth and followed his low desire, so his parable is as the parable of the dog; if you attack him he lolls out his tongue; and if you leave him alone he lolls out his tongue; this is the parable of the people who reject Our communications; therefore relate the narrative that they may reflect.” (7:176)
It is this exaltation which is mentioned in 7:176 that Allah is mentioning about Jesus in 3:55 and 4:158. The opponents of Jesus want to convey to the World that as Jesus is crucified he has died a cursed death, but Allah refutes this allegation and confirms that he was neither killed nor crucified:
“That they said (in boast) We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of God ;- but they killed him not nor crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) know ledge but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not.” (4:157)
And Allah further negates their insinuation that Jesus had a cursed personality, when Allah himself confirms that his status and rank is not that of a cursed person but of an Exalted and elevated status:
“Nay God raised him to Himself; and God is Exalted in Power Wise.” (4:158)
The exalted position of Jesus was also confirmed earlier when he was described as;
“Behold! the angels said: ‘O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.’” (3:45)
Now see the verse again which talks about Jesus' exaltation and see the clear meaning.
“Lo! God said:`O Jesus! Verily I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee unto me..” (3:55)
This exaltation of Jesus or raising of his status by Allah is also made clear in another verse where Allah himself affirms:
“Those apostles We endowed with gifts some above others: To one of them God spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit..” (2:253)
Now if we were to accept the understanding that Jesus was physically raised ‘to Allah’ then this would mean that Allah is sitting someplace in heaven and one needs to travel up to him. Such an idea about God is un Quranic and is an invention of Jewish and Christian theology, where they have a concept of ‘Holy father in heaven’. But the Qur'an on the other hands informs us clearly that Allah (God) is not sitting someplace high up in heaven but:
“..He is with you wherever you are..” (57:4)
“..Nowhere is there a secret counsel between three persons but He is the fourth of them, nor (between) five but He is the sixth of them, nor less than that nor more BUT HE IS WITH THEM WHERESOEVER THEY ARE..” (58:7)
“..We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.” (50:16)
“And We are nearer to it( the human soul) than you, BUT YOU DO NOT SEE.” (56:85)
The above verses clearly negate the concept of a ‘Father (or God situated) in Heaven’ or God confined to a space, so that to reach him you need to travel up into heaven. This concept that God is confined in heaven is a Jewish and Christian idea, clearly mentioned at many places in the Bible. But the Qu'ran does not uphold this view and on the contrary clearly negates it. God is not restricted to time and space but His presence is everywhere, all the time but we cannot see or comprehend it. So again the idea of God stationed someplace in heaven and Jesus ascending unto Him is not verified by the Qur'an.
Now many people also give the argument that when Allah talks about Jesus being raised to Him, then it says:
“..Verily I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee UNTO ME..” (3:55)
In this verse the words <wa ra fi'uka illaya> they claim, denotes that, since Allah says he will raise Jesus TO HIMSELF or ‘Unto me’ ( <illaya> in Arabic) then this suggests that Jesus was taken to heaven as it says he was raised ‘towards’ Allah, and already they are under the influence of the idea that God is stationed some place in heaven, a concept which the Qur'an most certainly negates.
But again if we analyse this through many other places in the Quran we clearly see that when Allah says about calling or bringing something closer to himself, doesnt mean physically bringing that object near Him. The arabic preposition <illaya> used in 3:55 and the word <ilayhi> used in 4:158 convey the meaning of Allah raising Jesus towards Him. Now Let us analyse from other Ayat what does <illaya> and <illayhi> i.e. getting near or going to Allah mean?
Following verses describe this namely <illaya> or <illayhi> has not been used for Jesus (p) alone but also for other objects:
“Have you not considered (the work of) your Lord, how He extends the shade? And if He had pleased He would certainly have made it stationary; then We have made the sun an indication of it. Then We take it to Ourselves, <summa qabadnaahu 'illayna> taking little by little.” (25:45-46)
Above verse informs that Allah takes the Sun to His self <summa qabadnahu 'illayna> Does this mean that the Sun goes to visit Allah on the seventh heaven or someplace like that?
Again this going or calling to Allah has been mentioned not in a physical aspect but a metaphorical one. Nabi Lut (p) informs:
“And Lut believed in Him, and he said: I am fleeing to my Lord, <inni muhaajirun 'illaa rabii> surely He is the Mighty, the Wise.” (29:26)
Lut's hijrat (migration) to Allah was not to the seventh heaven, but to such an environment where he can obey and implement the commands of Allah. This is again confirmed through Ibrahim (p):
“He said: 'I will go to my Lord! <inni zahibun illaa rabii> He will surely guide me!” (37:99)
In the above verse Ibrahim did not go to the heavens to meet His Sustainer, but abandoned the environment of Shirk and went to such an environemt where he could establish the 'Deen' of Allah. This is metaphorically described in above verse as <zahibun illaa rabi> or going to my Sustainer. And not physically going up into heaven or someplace like that. The above verses very clearly describe what is meant by <illaya> or <illayhi>. Now keep the above usage of the verses and one more time look at the verses where Allah talks about His raising Jesus to himself.
“Nay God raised him to Himself, <bar rafa-'a-hullahu 'illahyi> and God is Exalted in Power Wise.” (4:158)
In above Allah nullifies the claim of opponents of Jesus that he was cursed being crucified on the cross, but confirms that his status is honoured and exalted. This is what is meant by <bar rafa-'a-hullahu 'illayhi> and what was previously confirmed by Allah in 3:55: <inni mutavafeeka wa rafi uka illaya>
The Qur'an negates the crucifixion of Jesus, and informs that he did not have a cursed life or death. The punishment of crucifixion occurs in the Qur'an as well for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger. (See 5:33)
To sum it up again, Allah is not confined to a place or station up in the heavens. We have seen verses negating this idea. Allah caused Jesus to die a natural death. The word <vaffat> has been seen at many places in the Quran to mean death, and this has also been confirmed by dictionaries. Then <rafa-a> and <illaya> have been confirmed through other verses where these words occur and we have seen what meaning they convey through the Quran itself.
Note: Translations of all the above Quranic Verses are taken from Non-Ahmadi Scholars.
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http://www.real-islam.org/jesus/jesus1.htmlPosted 2 years ago on 25 Mar 2010 13:20 # -
jaypk
Member@dost...i must appreciate yer hard work...but again..i think its a matter of interpretation....you guys interpret it your way....and we do our way...may Allah SWT give us the hidayat to choose the right path..!
Posted 2 years ago on 31 Mar 2010 20:38 # -
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I and i believe many others would never like to read sucha long "copy paste"...it irritates alot...would have been better if u just had pasted the link to this article...
Posted 2 years ago on 01 Apr 2010 13:07 #
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