zia m
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As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country," Obama said, weighing in for the first time on a controversy that has riven New York and the nation
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aftab arif
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The problem with the Yanks is not what they do in the US but the actual destruction and mess they create in foreign countries from Japan to Modern Day Iraq and Afghanistan.
Good words from Obama and his words show religious freedom in USA. Ask any Pakistani Muslims and they will tell you how much religious freedom they enjoy in Pakistan. It is only extremists who are making hue and cry over this mosque.
I have met people who advise their father/brother to offer prayers in home rather than in a mosque where life security is at risk. Even Data Darbar is not safe.
Saudi Arabia does not allow churches and other worship places in their country which shows how intolerant Saudi society is.
shimatoree
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For all those that are going GA GA on Obama-
Obama Backs Off Support for NYC Mosque Project
Posted By Jason Ditz On August 14, 2010 @ 3:50 pm In Uncategorized | No Comments
Yesterday President Barack Obama insisted that he believes Muslims have the same rights as everyone else in the US and that, as such, they have a right to build religious buildings on private property.
Following the predictable “outrage” at the comment, President Obama was quick to qualify it today, insisting that his belief in the legality of the project did not mean he was endorsing it, and that he would not comment on whether or not he supports the idea of the so-called Ground Zero Mosque, an Islamic Center two blocks from Ground Zero.
Perhaps trying to stay one outrage ahead of everyone else, White House official Bill Burton insisted that that the comments qualifying the last comments didn’t mean he was backing off the first comments, even though it was pretty clear to everyone that the whole point of the “qualification” was to do exactly that.
The White House had officially avoided comment for quite some time, and a number of Republican figures condemned Obama in the wake of his comment, declaring that his vague, qualified support for the legal notion of Freedom of Religion runs afoul of the general sentiment of the American people.
But the fact that President Obama so quickly retreated and started spouting the anti-mosque talking points about the site being “hallowed ground” leave one wondering, much as previous “hardline” positions he has taken and immediately abandoned, why he bothered opening his mouth at all.
The legal battle against the community center at the site continues, though with the battle to have the boarded-up, graffiti covered Burlington Coat Factory declared an historical landmark apparently lost, the possible legal recourse to stop the mosque appears slim.
shimatoree
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For all those that are going GA GA on Obama-
Obama Backs Off Support for NYC Mosque Project
Posted By Jason Ditz On August 14, 2010
Yesterday President Barack Obama insisted that he believes Muslims have the same rights as everyone else in the US and that, as such, they have a right to build religious buildings on private property.
Following the predictable “outrage” at the comment, President Obama was quick to qualify it today, insisting that his belief in the legality of the project did not mean he was endorsing it, and that he would not comment on whether or not he supports the idea of the so-called Ground Zero Mosque, an Islamic Center two blocks from Ground Zero.
Perhaps trying to stay one outrage ahead of everyone else, White House official Bill Burton insisted that that the comments qualifying the last comments didn’t mean he was backing off the first comments, even though it was pretty clear to everyone that the whole point of the “qualification” was to do exactly that.
The White House had officially avoided comment for quite some time, and a number of Republican figures condemned Obama in the wake of his comment, declaring that his vague, qualified support for the legal notion of Freedom of Religion runs afoul of the general sentiment of the American people.
But the fact that President Obama so quickly retreated and started spouting the anti-mosque talking points about the site being “hallowed ground” leave one wondering, much as previous “hardline” positions he has taken and immediately abandoned, why he bothered opening his mouth at all.
The legal battle against the community center at the site continues, though with the battle to have the boarded-up, graffiti covered Burlington Coat Factory declared an historical landmark apparently lost, the possible legal recourse to stop the mosque appears slim.
Abdul Rahman
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Why is Pakistani forum discussing the plight of Muslims in far away New York, thousands of miles away beyond the seven seas and fail to discuss the plight of suffering Muslims next door in Kashmir. What kind of hypocricy and double standards is this? Is this continuation of same mentality of brown slaves that seems to be still subservient to erstwhile colonial masters?
Is it because those Muslims in New York are citizens of a so called super power? and Muslims living next door are living in squalor and poverty?
@Abdul Rahman
You are wrong; there is no Muslim in New York living under any plight. Muslims of USA enjoy more religious freedom than Muslims of Pakistan. They can visit any mosque anywhere in USA and can offer prayers without any let or hindrance. They do not have any fear of attacks by other Muslims. In Pakistan, mosques and madarssas have become centre of sectarianism, inciting hatred/intolerance and jihadi suicide training centres. Religion has now become a multi-billion dollar industry all over the world and Pakistan has affected badly by this business.
Abdul Rahman
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ST,
You don't what you are talking about. That freedom is not worth the paper is is written on. You can definitely visit any Masjid in America when you tow the official lines and agree with genocidal wars committed by US in name of war on terror. Try to question the wisdom of drone attcaks in Pakistan and genocidal wars elsewhere then you will end up like Aafia Siddiqi. What kind of freedom is that?
GORDON DUFF: THE GROUND ZERO MOSQUE LIES
"There never were plans for a mosque at “ground zero.” The entire story is made up by a public relations agency working with the Israeli government and the GOP. There are plans for an Islamic center in an old Burlington Coat Factory store blocks away. That far down the island of Manhattan, a couple blocks away is “across town.” The idea that Israel is financing the “Ground Zero Mosque” controversy when Mossad agents were arrested, dancing in the streets on 9/11, is an obscenity.
Let’s get some facts straight...."
zia m
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I commend the support offered by the NYC Mayor Bloomberg(the Jew) for the mosque.
I don't think anybody can deny Muslims right to build a mosque on any private property within the laws of city.
But the decision to build it two blocks from ground zero is a bad one.
But only Muslims have the god given right to build their mosques.Wonder if Saudis will ever allow followers of other religions to build their place of worship.
Abdul Rahman
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"Wonder if Saudis will ever allow followers of other religions to build their place of worship."
This is same mantra repeated by the missionaries. It has nothing to do with Saudis or any Muslims who may be ruling Arabian peninsula. There is a authentic Hadith that clearly states that the monotheistic concept of tawheed cannot be diluted by the encrouchment of pagan beliefs that centered on blasphemy in the Arabian preninsula. There is a debate as to what constitutes that area. It definitely includes the entire area you call Saudi Arabia.
zia m
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Like i said only Muslims have god given right of proselytizing.We are not only ignorant but also very arrogant.
Ashfaqlahore
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"There is a authentic Hadith that clearly states that the monotheistic concept of tawheed cannot be diluted by the encrouchment of pagan beliefs that centered on blasphemy in the Arabian preninsula."
And why should the US allow encrouchment of our belief that does not respect the US values?
Abdul Rahman
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US constitution allows freedom of worship that it incidentaly borrowed from Muslims. Having allowed that "freedom" they have no problem if the freedom of worship allows hare Krishnas, Rastafarians, Satanic cults, devil worshippers etc etc. Don't compare Quran- the word of God with the filthy man made US constitution. OK.
Abdul Rahman
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Abdul Rahman
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US constitution allows freedom of worship that it incidentaly borrowed from Muslims. Having allowed that "freedom" they have no problem if the freedom of worship allows hare Krishnas, Rastafarians, Satanic cults, devil worshippers etc etc. Don't compare Quran- the word of God with the filthy man made US constitution. OK.
zia m
Member
"US constitution allows freedom of worship that it incidentaly borrowed from Muslims"
It is time for Muslims to claim it back and start treating the minorities with equal respect.
Ashfaqlahore
Member
"US constitution allows freedom of worship that it incidentaly borrowed from Muslims."
and
"There is a authentic Hadith that clearly states that the monotheistic concept of tawheed cannot be diluted by the encrouchment of pagan beliefs that centered on blasphemy in the Arabian preninsula."
These are contrasting comments. In any case, a mullah or a group does not represent our religion. So they can't hide behind "freedom of religion" excuse while themself being intolerant. Most of us feel freedom of religion in the US even without this mosque. Why do the people who hate America are the ones who want to build a mosque at a controversial site while hiding behind American values?
Ashfaqlahore
Member
AR, even if they stole our concept, they are the ones who are following it..not us. And they had the choice not to adopt this concept when they wrote their constitution.
Abdul Rahman
Member
There is no contradiction. They have adopted certain elements that suited their vision of government That's all. If we are not following Quran-the first universal constitution then it is not the problem of constituti0n but our own decline where we left Quran and started aping the West. Turkey is perfect example. They have lost their identity. They are neither of the two. The West has so far refused to accept them as "equal" and they have turned their back on the religion that gave them identity in the first place. They were monadic tribes and after embracing Islam they went on to lead the Muslim world for 500 years.
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