Official: US troops out of Afghanistan in 3 years

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Official: US troops out of Afghanistan in 3 years

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Anonymous

i-e before or by 2013....that is earlier than expected, infact too early.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/01/obama.afghanistan/index.html

Wonder if Congress will approve.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 18:42 #
Anonymous

Taliban, fazlullah, hakeemullah will probably be looking at Pakistan and saying:

"teraa kiaa hogaaa kaalia"

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 18:43 #
semirza
Moderator

I may say it remains to be seen. There are dug in for a long time to come. If not Afghanistan than Pakistan. Or shall I say they have done with their fortress in Pakistan.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 18:46 #
Anonymous

I dont think all troops will leave but majority of the combat troops will I guess.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 18:52 #
Anonymous

I am thinking Pakistan should strictly seal its borders and destroy terrorist infrastructure inside Pakistan so once US is gone, Taliban dont impose another threat.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 18:53 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

I am confident justice, peace will return to Afghanistan under Taliban. The war lords will be contained.

Afghanistan will have a fresh chance of moving towards prosperity.

During Taliban's rule in Afghanistan, there was ZERO soldiers on Pak - Afghan border, yet there was 101% peace on the border

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 18:54 #
shahzad1924
member

i have said this before, but anyway....

US is here to stay! it is building the second largest embassy in Islamabad, extending the consulates in Mai Kolachi and Peshawar, has its contractors spread-out across Islamabad and Peshawar and most important of all, has its interests vested in staying here.

if someone tells me that tomorrow Zong, ZTE and Huwaei are going to stop operations in Pakistan....i would say...mmmm okay, maybe you are right.

but this.....a big no. they aren't going anywhere.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 18:59 #
Migel9
Member

Eloquent lies from an uncle Tom.Why the crusade in the first place?Ohh the gas pipe line from Turkmanistan..opps.
The criminal west will never leave the muslims untill and unless we put FEAR in their hearts. Longer range missles
unity education= freedom..From crusades..

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:00 #
shahzad1924
member

@bsobaid - "I am thinking Pakistan should strictly seal its borders and destroy terrorist infrastructure inside Pakistan so once US is gone, Taliban dont impose another threat."

so, prior to 9/11 when there was the Taliban government in Afghanistan, the TALIBAN WERE A THREAT?

im sorry but most of us on the forum were quite old enough aat that time to remember the situation. your twisted narrative does not prove anything.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:03 #
Anonymous

Haris Khan

It is not and should not be our problem which government comes in Afghanistan. We have done enough of ‘thekedari’ to influence our wishes in the internal affairs of Afghanistan and reaping the bitter harvest of those interferences.

Instead we should concentrate to see as to how we can ensure peace, progress and prosperity in our country Pakistan.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:10 #
ucsher
Member

@shahzaad
just in case you might have lost your memory due to the shock that you received when you heard about pak army declaring operation against the taliban for the first time, let me remind you that the time you are talking about is when your army was supporting these talibans unconditionally , so much so, that they even had the courage to protect people like usama bin laden against the will of whole wide world!

and btw it was the same time when pak army was known to support, nurture and pamper talibans and not declare operations against them!

The fact that you still think that every thing will go back to normal and hunky dory between pak army & talibs despite all that happened between them after 9/11 just because U.S forces would leave this area, tells us all about your intellect & the lala-land that people like you are living in!

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:17 #
inzi
Proxyman

obama just announced today 30000 more troops are going to afghanistan. Did everyone miss that?

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:19 #
ucsher
Member

@
inzi, yes he ideed did..but I think that is just for the time being, while the thread is actually about the larger picture!

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:20 #
inzi
Proxyman

30000 more coming in is not a sign for leaving. The rhetoric that you hear on the sideline about leaving in three years is to calm the nerves of the domestic public. It is like a pretty girl telling you. I will call you in three years and the chance of that happening.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:22 #
semirza
Moderator

@Adnak
Let us say that Pakistan has no hand whatsoever behind the Russian occupation of Afghanistan.
Keeping that in mind it became a matter of defense and of concern too for Pakistan.
Taliban or their infighting before Taliban was going on without interference or 'thekeydari' from Pakistan. That became a reality during Zia era right through BB era later.
Agreed we should keep our eyes on our own progress and prosperity.
And close our eyes by not keeping an eye across borders of Pakistan!
Defense is equally important. Both external and internal.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:23 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

People of Pakistan are not willing to change for the better.

They are more stubborn than the Zionists in this matter.

That is ALL that needs to be said.

But, I STILL have hope as long as there's some kind of justice available.

@ucsher: You are forgetting Pakistan Army has ZERO experience of fighting in mountainous terrain, plus Pakistan Army hasn't fought a war in decades.

People of Afghanistan have decades of experience of tough life.

Don't boast on the basis of a hope.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:24 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@inzi: If you have some facts to back up your statements with, I'm listening. Otherwise, BUZZ!!! OFF!!! :-)

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:29 #
Anonymous

Haris Khan

It looks like Justice as flourishing. Don’t you agree? Is it not a good sign at last?

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:30 #
zia m
Member

Will be interesting to see if Obama mentions Pakistan more than Afghanistan in his speech tonight.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:37 #
Anonymous

Mirza Sahib

Your views are logical too, except that I did not say that we should close our eyes to see across boarder but not to interfere in the affairs of other countries to bring a government of our liking there.
Presently, internal threat is most serious. Our armed forces are quite capable of meeting any threat from across any boarder.

Regards.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:40 #
inzi
Proxyman

adnak it is a good idea to live in the present. WWII end howaie kafie dair ho gaie haie. You can't live your life living in the past. Learn the lesson from history instead of living it everyday.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:42 #
Migel9
Member

Why are they in Afghanistan??Ohh the AL-FIADAH..No gas pipe line from Turkmanistan.Helmand Balochistan?route being protcted by the coward american troops.Dying for oil and israhell is insanity AMERICANS GET OUT NOW..

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:44 #
Anonymous

INZI

Thanks for the advice.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:48 #
Anonymous

Migel9

I don't think there are any Americans on this forum !

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:51 #
Anonymous

@Shahzad, they may or may not be a threat before 9/11 but today they definitely are to Pakistan.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 19:52 #
Anonymous

Please no personal posts.

Stick to the topic.

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 21:29 #
netengr
blocked

US want to capture afghanistan and want to sell their products

Posted 2 years ago on 01 Dec 2009 21:53 #
shahzad1924
member

"they may or may not be a threat before 9/11 but today they definitely are to Pakistan."

why are they a threat to Pakistan. what is the motivation behind it?

and are they the only threat?

Posted 2 years ago on 02 Dec 2009 14:39 #
Anonymous

Why are they a threat? Have'nt you seen all this suicide bombings and they taking responsibility of those terrorist activities?
They may not be the only thread but they are the biggest threat we are facing today.

Posted 2 years ago on 02 Dec 2009 14:42 #
zia m
Member

Corruption and terrorism are the biggest threat to our country.

Posted 2 years ago on 02 Dec 2009 15:19 #
LetsDoIt
Member

Pakistan should seal its borders completely..... lolz

The problem is that most of our analyst never went to those areas, they have not even seen these areas using Google earth, thats why they are always full of ideas...

Posted 2 years ago on 02 Dec 2009 15:25 #
Anonymous

This is going to define events in Pakistan for atleast next 4-5 years and we are not paying attention to it.

?Here is another article
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/04/world/asia/04policy.html?ref=world

Posted 2 years ago on 03 Dec 2009 18:29 #
shahzad1924
member

excerpt from Douglas Birch's article "Obama borrows Soviet’s Afghan endgame"

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\124\story_4-12-2009_pg20_10

"President Obama’s plan for ending the US-led war against the Taliban bears a striking resemblance to former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev’s scheme for ending his country’s Afghan war 20 years ago.

After Gorbachev took power in 1985, he authorised a surge in military forces. But he gave his generals a year to win the war. After that, he warned, they would have to withdraw.

Obama on Tuesday proposed a similar strategy, calling for 30,000 additional American troops, bringing the US total to nearly 100,000. But he also said troop withdrawals would begin in the summer of 2011.

Gorbachev’s exit from what he called “our bleeding wound” took four years instead of one and cost the lives of an additional 7,000 Russian soldiers."

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2009 11:47 #
truepakistani
Member

vietnamees were more brave and good fighters in war against USA.

Afghanis could not fight with Americans.

USA has itself decided to leave afghanistan at its time not compelled by afghan taliban.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2009 12:32 #
Oriel
Member

What is your problem with the Afghans T.Pak? Don't hide your obvious bias, come out and lets discuss.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2009 12:47 #
shahzad1924
member

@tp

"Afghanis could not fight with Americans.

USA has itself decided to leave afghanistan at its time not compelled by afghan taliban."

i hope you have good weather on saturn?

well, if you do plan on coming to earth, i would love to take you to Afghanistan where the local people have brought down America, with all its military might, to its knees with simple klashinkovs.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2009 13:45 #
Anonymous

Guys, stay on the topic. Please suggest how Pakistan can protect its interest in Afghanistan?

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2009 14:45 #
truepakistani
Member

vietnamis killed 50,000 americans,
afghan could not pass the figures 4000 in 8 yaers,

its local pressure in usa, plus main purpose usa has acheived so they decided to leave,

actually, there is nothing left except talibans in afghanistan for which usa can stay for a long time.

Posted 2 years ago on 04 Dec 2009 15:22 #
iamsowise
Commenter

The only way to protect Paistan interst in Afghanistan is midterm election because current govt high officials are protecting US and Indian interest in Afghanistan and they are recieving $lrs.

Posted 2 years ago on 07 Dec 2009 14:31 #
Jalali
Member

@iamsowise
If there are mid term elections and NS came into power, do you seriously think he is going to change the policies. You are living in utopia. He is not saying anything about Drone strikes. He is complacent and it amounts to acknowledgment in my opinion. Show me an instant where PML(N) has truly spoken out in favor of poor public on any issue as opposition.
Don't mention NRO as it is inextricably linked to Musharraf and his legacy.

Posted 2 years ago on 07 Dec 2009 14:37 #
iamsowise
Commenter

@ jalali

One person or one party cannot bring change. The insititute which can play very effective role in current situation is Parliment but unfortunately under SOB Zardari govt, Pakistan parliment is not functioning and that is the reason why western countries decleard pakistan as a failed state.I support midterm election because i want to see free effective parliment.

Posted 2 years ago on 09 Dec 2009 11:43 #