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Osama, Zawahiri Under ISI Protection

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  1. World's most wanted terrorists Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri may be hiding close to each other in houses in northwest Pakistan, protected by some members of ISI, a media report said Monday.

    The two top Al-Qaida commanders may not be together and are not living in caves as forseen by American experts to evade detection, the CNN reported quoting a top NATO officer based in Afghanistan.

    "Nobody in Al-Qaida is living in a cave," said the official, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the intelligence matters involved, CNN said.

    Rather, Al-Qaida's top leadership is believed to be living in relative comfort, protected by locals and some members of the Pakistani intelligence services ISI, the official said.

    Pakistan has repeatedly denied protecting members of the Al-Qaida leadership.

    The official said the general region where Osama is likely to have moved around in recent years ranges from the mountainous Chitral area in the far northwest near the Chinese border, to the Kurram Valley which neighbours Afghanistan's Tora Bora, one of the Taliban strongholds during the US invasion in 2001.

    Tora Bora is also the region from which Osama is believed to have escaped during a US bombing raid in late 2001. US officials have long said there have been no confirmed sightings of Osama or Zawahiri for several years.

    The area that the official described covers hundreds of square miles of some of the most rugged terrain in Pakistan inhabited by fiercely independent tribes.

    The official also confirmed the US assessment that Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban, has moved between the cities of Quetta and Karachi in Pakistan over the last several months.

    The official would not discuss how the coalition has come to know any of this information, but he has access to some of the most sensitive information in the NATO alliance.

    Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik today said that similar reports of bin Laden and Mullah Omar's whereabouts have proven false in the past.

    Malik denied the two men are on Pakistani soil, but said that any information to the contrary should be shared with Pakistani officials so that they can take "immediate action" to arrest the pair, media reported.

    The NATO official said hard core Taliban groups such as the Quetta Shura run by Mullah Omar, the Haqqanis, the HiG (Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin) and the Pakistani Taliban still could potentially muster as many as 30,000 fighters.

    Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/osama-zawahiri-in-northwest-pak-under-isi-protection-report-60587?cp

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 12:16 #
  2. Natasha, just why should we take anything CNN reports seriously? Have we yet to learn our lesson about West media and their lies? Adding insult to injury, we are suppposed to sit up and take notice on the say so of some NATO official. I don't get it at all.

    Last but not least, regarding Osama bin Laden, why shouldn't we believe what several persons in the past, including Benazir Bhutto said about his death shortly after Shock and Awe came to Pakistan. Has everyone forgotten what a sick man he was even before?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 12:25 #
  3. I don't take it seriously just as I can't rubbish it as mere nonsense. We don't have a clean record but yes it is hard to beleive they are being protected when we have TTP sponsored bloodbath on the streets of Pakistan every other day.

    It was just to know what people on this forum think about the issue.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 12:29 #
  4. Thanks, Natasha. That was a well considered reply. I suppose the NATO statements above must be classified under the slow buildup required if ever the West does decide to attack Pakistan. I don't believe they will do so. But others, madder than most, will take the final decison. Let's see what Kiyani and Co manage to salvage, if anything, from their latest discussions with the so-called US masters when we all know who is actually ruling that benighted country.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 12:34 #
  5. toamin
    member

    Now this story came from Press Trust of India

    India has long been pleading this case internationally, I don't understand why member above recycled indian propaganda at a pakistani forum?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 12:42 #
  6. NNL
    member

    Wasnt it just proved that US Govt is trying to facilitate Afghan Taliban peace process thus releasing the criminals from ISI

    so why is this posted

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 13:12 #
  7. //I don't understand why member above recycled indian propaganda at a pakistani forum? //

    Perhaps because she's a RAW agent?

    The news appears on an Indian website but is BASED on a CNN report. There are various other non-Indian sources that have reported on the issue.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/10/18/afghanistan.bin.laden/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 13:32 #
  8. NNL,

    When was anything ever 'proven' ?

    This has been posted because this is the latest on the Pakistani role in the War on terror.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 13:37 #
  9. new story against Pakistan .

    Osama and his aides are hiding in USA indeed .

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 13:38 #
  10. And don't forget ISI was Mulla Omar's travel agent as well...
    :-P

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 14:03 #
  11. ideas2010
    Member

    My friends do'nt even believe any news which has been broadcasting on western media because they are under control of ZIONIST jew loby who control mind and economy of westen countries.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 14:11 #
  12. Why are agents RAW and Jew, why can't be they Cooked and Gentile?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 14:16 #
  13. SufiSoul
    Member

    @beenai

    I suggest you as a foreign minister of Pakistan.
    To tackle such propaganda with Iron hand.NICE

    One thing here for the rest of the people here.The top leadership of any Organisation would never like such FAVOUR from any even friendly organisation.
    Specially gurilla organisations are so independent in their actions and moves every where.
    This is same as Gen.kiyani calls for some Al-Qaidas gurilas to protect him..
    It is never like this.The co-operation against JOINT enemy between TTA and ISI or TTP and CIA or ISI and TTP/TTA is through some representatives not through Top Leadership..

    By issuing such reports by the westren media is always to Target common man having no technical first hand experience in analysing such reports.
    Above in case of NATASHA it is clear that westren medias thinking about ignorant people is ON TARGET and such people be made easily missguided.....

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 15:02 #
  14. barackosama,

    RAW is 'in'.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 15:08 #
  15. Ideas2010,

    While Im not one of those who blindly believe the western media just because it is 'western' , I believe it is ridiculous to trash every news as propaganda by the zionists.

    How do your friends determine who's right and who's wrong- what is propaganda and what is not?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 15:14 #
  16. toamin
    member

    well i don't know if you are working with raw or not but that response above certainly qualifies to be raw.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 15:25 #
  17. Oops Im busted!

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 15:28 #
  18. toamin
    member

    lolzz.. it happens with raw people!

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 15:30 #
  19. SufiSoul,

    //Above in case of NATASHA it is clear that westren medias thinking about ignorant people is ON TARGET and such people be made easily missguided..... //

    Just because I copy-pasted a news for some discussion makes you call me ignorant and misguided? Why don't you read my comments and THEN talk about NATASHA?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 16:28 #
  20. toamin
    member

    here is an easy guideline... anything coming from "Press Trust of India" about pakistan is a very good candidate for propaganda category!

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 16:33 #
  21. It is coming from CNN Salam. PTI has distributed the news. It's there on tribune as well by the way.

    Also , there are people who call geo Mossad agents persuing Zionist agenda , misinforming people about the terrorists. Do you rubbish everything Pakistani media says?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 16:38 #
  22. toamin
    member

    well, apparently you were surfing indian propaganda sites which happened to mention CNN.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 16:42 #
  23. Again - how to determine what is propaganda and what is not.

    So you rubbish every news on an Indian website just because it happens to be Indian?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 16:48 #
  24. toamin
    member

    i've already shared an 'easy guide', try it-

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 16:52 #
  25. I'll add to Salam's easy guide, Natasha. Anything reported by West mainstream media is to be "rubbished" to use a word you seem to favour. Only a very few journalists among them can still command a bit of respect, for instance Eric Margolis. Online blog commentators are, on the other hand, a better bet for something approacing objectivity. Again, pick and choose with care.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 17:02 #
  26. Salam,

    You don't make sense.Rubbish it because it's on an Indian website.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 17:29 #
  27. MG,

    What's your opinion on BBC?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 17:32 #
  28. Natasha, I hate to disappoint you, but the BBC is no longer what it once was. Now it's not to be trusted overmuch either. Again, an occasional BBC correspondent might be really an honest reporter - I'm thinking of Palestine in this case - many, though, are wholly establishment people.

    If your question meant is BBC better than CNN, etc., then I should have to say Yes. If the choice is down to believing CNN-US mainstream reporting or BBC in case of conflicting versions, then definitely the latter. Again, please not to think I dismiss them all out of hand. West dissidents are very important to our own cause. A Paul Craig Roberts, for instance, is worth his weight in gold, etc. Just a precautionary measure is all I advise so we're not simply taken in by their eloquence.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 17:45 #
  29. I'm not disappointed. Come on! I don't run these channels! Even I don't believe whatever BBC says is the ultimate truth. Yes , I consider them better than others.

    Thank you for your response.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 17:49 #
  30. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    You guys discussing the latest 'buggyman' USA has created for itself to 'kill', the latest 'problem' they have 'created' to 'resolve' to 'gain' 'points' in 'worldwide' 'public opinion' ?

    :D

    Do! it.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 17:52 #
  31. HK, could you explain a bit better perhaps? I haven't really caught the gist of what you're saying.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 18:05 #
  32. shirazi
    Member

    @HK

    You could have put whole sentence in quotes instead of putting quotes around every other word :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 18:29 #
  33. shirazi
    Member

    While we are on the topic I recently watched 'tere din ladin'. Very well made movie, good humor and Atif Aslam especially looked very good.

    As far as where abouts of osama & co. are concerned there is absolutely bo doubt where the hell is he? He can't be anywhere in ME, Americas or Europe. His possible destinations are war torn regions like ours or Africa. The only good news out of this news item is both are living in close proximity though in separate houses. I hope those houses are in the the region where drone attacks are 'permitted'. And one fine day we may hear good news out of these countless drone attacks. Until that day comes I don't see drone targets coming down.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 18:43 #
  34. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Mirza Ghalib: Brother, haven't you heard Jesse Ventura lately ?

    I'm trying to find that video, where he made that comment.

    *oops* *blush*

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 19:09 #
  35. No, sorry, HK. That Ventura venture I totally missed out on. Shall try I repair my mistake soon.

    shirazi, how come you still believe in that Osama bin Laden still alive fairytale? But then I suppose like some good friends of ours you also believe in the sanctified version of 9/11 events promoted by our main enemy?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 20:08 #
  36. haroonyahya
    Member

    watch all blacksheep zionist/kuffar supporter mulla zaif (former ambassador of taliban in pakistan) interview in geo jirga

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 20:16 #
  37. shimatoree
    Member

    .

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 20:18 #
  38. shirazi
    Member

    @MG

    You got that right I don't believe 911 was inside job as some conspiracy theories suggest.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 21:02 #
  39. Shirazi,

    Ali Zafar*

    MG

    I thought you too believe in 9/11 being an inside job. I saw some thread by you sometime back.

    So you think OBL is dead?

    Haroon,

    What was THAT? Zaeef a Zionist supporter?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 21:16 #
  40. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @haroon: When did MULLAH Zaeef sell-out to Zionists, Unjust Jews ?

    Why do you think so ? Just because he's rightly complaining about how Pakistan, Pakistanis' treated him ?

    Pakistanis' did! mistreat him. That's a fact. Live with it. You, Pakistan has to say sorry to MULLAH Zaeef.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 21:36 #
  41. Natasha, Nothing new there. Yes,of course, I believe 9/11 was an inside job. We've even had some long-drawn-out discussions on this topic on the blog. Equally, I believe those who have claimed OBL met his death quite some time ago.

    Shimatoree, not to get mad. Was just trying to refresh my memory as to shirazi's stand on the first matter. Yours, of course, I do remember. BTW: am I to take it that on the final fate of bin Laden we also stand divided? I suppose that would be only logical. Well since I'm an absolutely anti Pax Americana person myself, my position is also wholly understandable.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 21:44 #
  42. shirazi
    Member

    @Natasha

    I think he is alive that's why we see his tape every now and then.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 21:59 #
  43. I'd like to know what makes people believe he's dead.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 22:02 #
  44. In answer to your above question, the link below might help you to understand:

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osama_dead.php

    shirazi, you must have heard of false videos as well, or haven't you? Also about specialists' verdicts on the tapes purportedly coming from OBL?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 22:12 #
  45. shirazi
    Member

    @Natasha

    I think it's more of a wish than belief. People 'd like to see him dead or at the minimum prevalent view that he is dead so that global powers can commit to some sort of end to this seems like eternal war on terror.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 22:14 #
  46. shirazi
    Member

    @MG

    Thanks to friends like you I have been exposed to all sort of conspiracy theories but in vain. -:)

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 22:15 #
  47. shirazi, good man. Once you've made up your mind, stick to your guns. That way lies wisdom.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 22:18 #
  48. If he's dead, why don't his followers admit that and put an end to this war that has claimed thousands of lives until now?

    Thanks for the link.

    I can see a lot of 'mainstream Western Media' links that I was told about in this very thread.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 22:31 #
  49. Shirazi,

    I didn't get you. People ? People who say 9/11 was an inside job or the allied forces?

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 22:37 #
  50. Natasha, I see what you're doing here, ambushing the claimants in their own trap.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Oct 2010 22:38 #

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