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Pakistan and Iran grow closer economically

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  1. Pakistan and Iran grow closer economically and define Afghan strategy

    10 September 2011.

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    Regional diplomacy reigns supreme in Pakistan. Tehran and Islamabd have increased their bilateral ties, and are improving their economic cohesion. The SCO and the Dushambe-4 are the new playgrounds for the Pakistan leadership. After tremendously successful trips to China,Tajiksitan, Khazakstan, Saudi Arabia, enriching negotiations with Russia, and after meaningful discussions with the Iranian Prime Minister Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani will leave for Tehran on Sunday for three-day visit for talks with the Iranian leadership on further strengthening bilateral relations and exchanging views on regional issues. The areas that have been brought into the discussion include:

    1.Expansion of the FTA and Free Trade items.
    2.Opening of a new border transit area.
    3.Completion fo the Iran Pakistan pipeline and possibly extending it to China.
    4.Execution of the Islamabad-Istanbul train line via Tehran.
    5.Bringing peace between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
    6.Exponential increase in trade between Iran and Pakistan.
    7.Purchase of electricity from Iran.
    8.Cooperation on eliminating Junduallh and the TTP.
    9.Update on Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) expansion.
    10.Further developments in the Economic Cooperation Organization (ECO), which includes all the former Turkish emirates which became part of the USSR, Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan.

    The Prime Minister will visit Tehran, Gilan and Mushhid during this three day visit. The Prime Minister will also discuss strengthening of transportation and communication links, cooperation in energy, economic and trade fields and preferential tariff arrangements.

    Of course the leadership have been focusing on Afghanistan. There seems to be consensus on the Post-American Afghan landscape with Iran supporting Pakistan’s position of brining back the Talibs into a coalition government in Kabul, securing Iranian interests in Herat, and ensuring security for all the Pakhtuns in Afghanistan. The Iran-Pakistani position is acceptable to Turkey and Mr. Karzai. This program has been endorsed by all the immediate neighbors of Afghanistan and will be taken to Bonn for approval by all the major powers in the world.

    It is the most natural friendship as Iran has a natural border with Pakistan. Pakistan has a great Persian past, Urdu is influenced by many Persian words and grammar. It is in both countries interest to work together and even more so if it brings Saudi Arabia and Iran closer. Iran is suspicious of Saudi because of America and the Sunni Shi’a schism. It is important that this divide is closed, sure Sunni like many Shi’a will completely disapprove of each others beliefs and practice but this should not become a hinderance to peace and reconciliation between Iran and the Sunni world and visa vi. There is much to learn from the Iranians who successfully broke away from American and European intervention into their nations economic and political affairs. Iranians have successfully remained in control of their destiny, their nation and regardless of what the West says have created a rich, progressive and modern society more so than the rest of the Arab world ruled by pro American dictators.

    Iran has a rich history, they are a great civilisation, a great past that one cannot deny. They will continue to influence geopolitics of this region and the wider world. We share so much with Iran and not only us but the whole of Asia and The Middle East. Why must we mistrust each other, we should celebrate our common history, geography, language, culture, religion. I am often at odd with Sunni countries mistrust for Shi’a countries over simplistic matters yet they embrace with open arms the greater threat from America and Co.

    Sunni and Shi’a can agree to disagree and must find the common ground, their is much to celebrate that can bring both closer together. Let us remove the colonial divides forever. It is in both Iran and Saudi interest to work with each other and be open and transparent to one another.

    A strong Khorasan cannot exist without Turkiye, Iran and Saudi on the same page working together to unite the modern istan nations that once made up Khorasan. Istanbul linked to Baghdad, Jeddah and the rest of Hijaz likewise Tehran linking Kabul, Karachi, Islamabad, Astana and the rest of Central Asia was the vision The Ottomans had. This very dream and vision was destroyed by British terrorists who sabotaged the integration of the Muslim world via road and rail links rivalling the integration of Europe as it was then. Unlike the Zionist Media demonising and creating a bi-polar world, I understand terrorist was a strong word for the British because they did what they had to do to safeguard their interest and monopolised on the destruction of the Muslim world. Today Euroep and America is falling in disarray as the Ottomans were of yesteryear. I am not advocating destroying European infrastructure, no not at all but we should seize this opportunity and integrate the the Muslim world, build strong economies, trading blocks, joint defence groupings to limit American and NATO influence but also to integrate with those nations who have a genuine interest in a integrated rich, vibrant Middle East and Asia like China and Russia.

    We must also look to restore the place and position of North Africa and the lower nile Sudan down to the Horn of Africa. America realises this hence has divided Sudan, deprived Somalia, restored their influence in Egypt and are destroying Libya. They have tried inciting similar unrest in Yemen and Hijaz /UAE by dividing Iran from the rest of The Muslim world. They have previously tried creating an uprising in Iran and Pakistan and failed. Their occupation of Iraq was a failure on the basis of long term strategic gains and Afghanistan is a quagmire they seek to run away from. A strong, rich China not by choice but to maintain its strategic influence and position is honourably filling the vaccum that will be left when American interest/influence diminishes. In SE Asia India and the pro American grouping of Japan, Austrlaia are also fighting to maintain American interests in this region.

    The world is changing and it is imperative that we stop mistrusting Iran. Pakistan has nothing to fear from Iran but much to celebrate due to our past, langugae, culture, geography. It is important Saudi, Iran, Turkiye and Pakistan can work together and for a common goal. This will be a common strategic interst that today Russia seeks as does China bringing together Asia and The Middle East which will bring together The Maghrib, Yemen and Horn of Africa.

    Seize the opportunity nations of Africa, nations of Middle East and Asia – these are tectonic shifts in economic and geopolitical interests. Agree on common goals and come together.

    Many economists have predicted a rise of a new Ottoman Empire referring to a huge Islamic economic trading block, a Strong Russia and China working together. Such a scenario is prosperous for not only Muslims but Russians and The Chinese, a better position than where we are today. This will cement China’s rise and bring prosperity to Russia and much needed stability to the Islamic World.

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    Posted 8 months ago on 12 Sep 2011 21:27 #
  2. My wish Mirza Sahab, my wish in fact when Pakistan and Iran will be close enough to over come their economic shortfalls without being injected by a slow poison from WM/IMF etc...Aameen.

    Posted 8 months ago on 12 Sep 2011 21:33 #
  3. scandinavian
    Member

    What could happen if we made REAL progress. I mean this government is not sincere and is doing far from enough to develop and make proper deals. We need to have Turkey on board too, and the road to Turkey goes through Iran. There are immense opportunities in developing this relationship....make a kind of EU.

    Posted 8 months ago on 12 Sep 2011 21:40 #
  4. Manra_Pardasi
    Member

    EU type of system among Iran, Pak, and Turkey would be amazing. But to achieve that Pakistan needs to bring some properity in the country. Otherwise it wouldnt be a fair game as Pakistan will become just a burden. I seriously dont understand why we look towards America or China when we have neighbours like Iran and Turkey.

    Posted 8 months ago on 12 Sep 2011 22:02 #
  5. spruce
    Member

    It seems zardari want to accomplish the job which ZAb left on half way and he is trying to reestablish relations among Muslim world.

    If Uncle Sam not intervene his legs then this journey will let Pakistan towards prosperity.
    For this reason Pakistan must eliminate terrorism and make sure that there is no space for Taliban and MQM type of terrorist wings.

    Operation in Karachi and KPK is key of such development because saudia and Iran crave to empower in Karachi.

    If there is peace automatically jobs, poverity can be solved on most primitive basis.

    Posted 8 months ago on 12 Sep 2011 23:07 #
  6. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    I do not expect anything good from Iran. Right now their hands are dripping with blood of thousands of innocent protestors in Syria. Several reports have surfaced of Iranian military involvement in killing fields of Syria. They are in leaque with Israel and US in crushing popular uprising. Israel has made known its liking of Baathist Alawite thugs in Syria.

    During the Gulf war, Iran refused to participate with Muslim countries and boycotted Islamic organizations. But it sat next to Saudi Arabia in OPEC meetings. They are the biggest source of fitna and have aided US ocupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. They are no different than other corrupt Arab governments.

    Posted 8 months ago on 12 Sep 2011 23:40 #
  7. I greatly fear, AR, that you are on the wrong tack there. You see Muslim Brotherhood and you think: ah, my people, when it's exactly the opposite in more cases than one. These people are neither Muslims, nor your brothers. Unless you think CIA-assets are your best bet to bring about a "Muslim" state. We are seeing what is happening in Libya at the moment. And we still will not learn, not now, not ever?

    Anti-Iran sentiments is all the fashion among some. Pro-Turkey sentiments are similarly cherished. All this is pure sectarianism, nothing to do with reality whatsoever. Worst of all is the way we have handed over Libya to the enemy on a platter and are hoping to do the same with Syria according to to the selfsame scenario. Well, AR, all good things must come to an end sometime. Down with NATO, the west and our own ghadar.

    Pakistan will be the next leader of the Muslim world and this in spite of our own hordes of traitors and enemies. And inevitably with the help of Iran and Afghanistan, whether we like it or not.

    Posted 8 months ago on 13 Sep 2011 6:12 #
  8. spruce
    Member

    Posted 8 months ago on 14 Sep 2011 11:19 #
  9. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    MG Quote "Pakistan will be the next leader of the Muslim world and this in spite of our own hordes of traitors and enemies. And inevitably with the help of Iran and Afghanistan, whether we like it or not. "

    I will refine that to Khurasan as predicted by Prophet SAS in a Hadith. I do not believe in colonialist demarcated boundaries that has divided the Ummah.

    Are you joking abour help from Iran and that too along Afghanistan? Are you serious to assume that Iran will have anything to do with a free Afghanistan. All indications point to a Taliban led government. Like it or not. Afghans will then have right to have retribution with the traitors in Ummah including those in Iran and Pakistan that facilitated the brutal occupation and killings of millions of Afghans.

    MG, It is not sectarian scenario that you are painting in 2011. It was firmly in place since Syria was created by colonialists. I have lived with scores of patriotic Syrians and know very well the sectarian juggernaut demarcated by French colonial power for long term interests of future NATO, EU, etc etc. Syria was pre-planned to be on perpetual NATO platter when the retreating French colonialists made sure that the future NATO interests will be protected by the Baathist Alawite thugs.

    Posted 8 months ago on 14 Sep 2011 11:42 #
  10. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Dear Irshad

    I pray that YRG changes his style of living and adopt that of his great ancestors. We need the people at the helm of our affairs who are similar to the ancestors of YRG in terms of character and piety.

    Posted 8 months ago on 14 Sep 2011 12:03 #
  11. AR, I think there is a misunderstanding between us, between many others, also, as to how the future will look for the Muslim world. Certainly Khorassan, but eventually so. With the best will in the world, I can't believe that as soon as this dreadful war is over, the national state will disappear and we shall become the ummah of political unity. But we have to start somewhere and, in that interim phase is where I see what I thought would come to pass: Iran-Pakistan-Afghanistan and Turkey (but only if that country really stops playing games). Your point about the Taliban in government is also my view. I can't see how it can be otherwise. But our Mullah Omar has learnt a lot over the years. I believe that loose union with which we'll start is a very likely scenario. Some of you keep stating that Iran was responsible for the martyrdom of Iraq. I don't believe it, but even if such were the case, Iran to the best of my knowledge has given the Afghan Resistance much support, too. So I doubt that we'll be facing any kind of impossibility when the time is ripe.

    About Syria, I have a Syrian friend, too, a very intelligent, reliable person. I get my information from him. He's not an Alawite, so no one can accuse him of backing up his own side sort of. I back Bashar against the CIA-engineered "uprising" because he's the best they've got at the moment. But even had he been the worst, I'd have backed him up anyday against anything the CIA cares to provide us with. I know what the French did to Syria upon leaving. But as things stand, if anyone is a NATO agent among Muslims, it's most definitely NATO member Turkey, Jordan, etc.

    Posted 8 months ago on 14 Sep 2011 12:37 #
  12. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    MG quote "I back Bashar against the CIA-engineered "uprising" because he's the best they've got at the moment."

    That CIA backed uprising mantra was also used by his late father in Hama when upto 30,000 Syrians were massacred in 1982. As a matter of fact from Egypt to Iraq to Syria any uprising that sprung up in those Arab countries was characterised as CIA inspired. That was at a time when Soviets were supposed to be on "Arab" side. The brutal dicatators that were in power always used the CIA bogeyman to divert popular uprising.

    Even if it was CIA inspired for example in case of Afghan scenario when Najibullah "invited" red army, the struggle over 3 decades have finally shown who are the real freedom fighters. The CIA inspired freedom fighters of yester years are now the ruling elite. They ran out of options to blame outside interference and have now resorted to a new bogeyman-Al Qaeda.

    Common MG, the grass roots movement sweeping Syria has nothing to do with outside interference. The only outside interference is Iranian military that is participating in the killings fields of Syria.

    Posted 8 months ago on 14 Sep 2011 12:54 #
  13. Rizwan Qaimkhani
    Member

    PPP kay loog Irani baghoray hain, whether it ZM or Gilani, their forefathers were kicked out of Iran for political riggings by the government of that time:)

    Posted 8 months ago on 14 Sep 2011 15:19 #
  14. RQ, thanks for pointing out the Iranian link for some of our politicians.

    AR, we can go on like this eternally and never convince each other. The presence of the US ambassador to Syria in Hama and the French were also around, I believe, is proof enough of outside interference in Syrian affairs if any added proof was required. And as to what Hafez did in 82, I really don't know. My ignorance is total. But that Bashar did all that MSM claim he has done, I wholly contest. Look AR, you go to the MSM for your news apparently. I have my alternative media, people I feel great respect for as journalits like Thierry Meissen and with them will I stick. Not a word more will I exchange over al Qaeda which from the word go has been no more than a CIA-construct as events in Libya have shown us beyond the shadow of a doubt. So whichever way we look, the US is involved. Nothing to do with the US can be Muslim, the way I see it.

    Posted 8 months ago on 14 Sep 2011 16:40 #

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