Pakistan And The PPPP Government.

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javedsheikh
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The circumstantial evidence, ground reality and the forthcoming International trends, indicate that the Government of PPPP, gradually, is heading towards success.

PMLN could not play its cards properly after the restoration of Judiciary
The grip of PPPP on internal an external issues is getting tighter.

If all goes according to the script and plan, this government could emerge as the real winner at the end of its 5 year tenure.
In a struggle between realism and emotionalism where the later won't last longer.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Oct 2009 14:33 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

'success', 'winner' is a vague term. Start talking specifics.

WHAT are you talking about ?

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Oct 2009 14:42 #
Anonymous

They still have to establish a perception of good governance in Pakistan which is lacking at this point of time. There is no apparant threat to civilian government at this moment and probably by the end of government's tenure the flow of assistance from KL-bill and other sources will improve the situation and this is what that matters the most. If awami situation improves by 2011 or 2012 when next elections are due, awam will forget about 2009 and 10 and PPPP can probably do well in the next elections. I think government can survive this decline of popularity at this time when elections are not imminent.

Zardari's exclusion from current high-level security meeting in PM house is an indication of army's difference with Zardari. So probably minus one formula is still in works. When next elections are due, Bilawal will probably lead the election campaign and PPP can probably get rid of Zardari stigma. However, it will be unfortunate for Pakistanis to have Bilawal leading the biggest political party of Pakistan.
Army's hate of Zardari is not because of some Amreekan reason or some corruption reason. Sole reason for this is PPP's inherent anti-establishment activities which awam are led to think as anti-nation activities.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Oct 2009 14:49 #
javedsheikh
Members

Success on stabilizing the economic. political, educational and social sectors within 5 years.

Winner means this party could regain the consolidation of its vote bank if all goes according to plan.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Oct 2009 14:53 #
Anonymous

Although there will be a definite improvement in the year 2012 or so when elections are due, none of these improvements and PPP's "success" in its current tenure are going to be sustainable. Any improvement in awami conditions are going to be extremely short-lived and artificial and by mid 2014 or 15 situation will return to what it is today. Terrorism will be an exception and I cant say anything about it.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Oct 2009 14:59 #
Migel9
Member

Javed you actually think this demented man has the intellectual capability to "UNDERSTAND" ecomonic concept language,let alone leadership?Give me a break a retard leading our nation how pathetic.PPPP=DEAD PARTY KILLED BY A MENTAL CASE.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Oct 2009 15:04 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

@bsobaid: My friend, you're living in an illusion, if you think cutting off Zardari from the scene would have any affect. Untill he's alive, nothing will change, even if Bilawal takes over.

Why ? Because at the back, Zardari will ALWAYS be the one pulling the strings, if its PPP. He won't give it up untill he's alive.

@javedsheikh: I don't see it happening.

Its not in the interest of Americans. If Pakistan starts making progress, US can't show the world that Pakistan is doing down the drain because of ALL the violence here. It won't be able to touch Pakistan's nuclear arsenal in that case. Which is a strategic goal Israel wants US to achieve before US's economy goes down the drain. For Israel to become safe from attacks from Muslim nation states, they HAVE to destroy Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, capability.

Zardari would have NO worth in a Pakistan that makes progress.

Why ? Because a nation makes progress on the pillar of JUSTICE. If JUSTICE prevails, Zardari will be HANGED or sentenced to death for the multitude of crimes he has committed against individuals, judges, this entire nation.

I question your statements/comments. I question the wisdom behind them.

How do you see Zardari/PPP moving Pakistan towards progress ? Again, I want specifics. No here and there talk

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Oct 2009 15:05 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

In the one plus year, Zardari has had, I don't see any of his actions moving Pakistan towards prosperity.

He's keeping Pakistan dependent on US's money. A leader who instills the idea of 'remaining dependent on others' cannot move a nation towards progress.

He's promoting lawlessness, by negating the accountability process, by breaking promises again and again, by allowing 'zakheera-andoz' (in urdu) to carry on with their deeds etc etc.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Oct 2009 15:31 #
javedsheikh
Members

A very ambitious and revolutionary plan is under consideration.
Once this project is materialized this would pave the way for Pakistan entering the modern advanced places like Korea, Dubai and Singapore.
The project is Indus River Walk.
I am collecting the details of the blue print of this 1600 miles industrial and recreational belt connecting many cities of Pakistan sitting near the bed of the Indus River through Ferries.
This project would create millions of jobs, markets, business stores, museums, entertainment and recreational centers. What would attract millions of tourists to Pakistan.
This project would be the first step to change the psychology of the nation.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Oct 2009 15:55 #
Ghareeb
Old-chechen

"advanced places like Korea, Dubai and Singapore."

Please don't include Dubai. It is a slave market awash with underpaid and exploited labor that is building skyscrapers for the corrupt Shaikhs. They live in inhuman conditions and often not paid the wages as per labor law. Protests and demands to improve their living conditions were mercilessly crushed with scores of death. They can't bring their families as they survive on meagre wages. On the other hand Russian women are flooding in chartered flights. A Russian woman can enter alone without a mahram or family but a poor worker is denied visa for family. I stayed at Sharjah Holiday Inn during yearly Dubai Fair and saw it first hand.

I don't think Korea and Singapore are much different with poor labor from Thailand and Phillipnes that are exploited.

Also stop this tourists attraction business. Would you like your Pakistani sisters and daughters to do hoopla for foreign tourists? If there is no night life there is no tourism. Take a hike to Bombay or Bangkok to find out first hand.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Oct 2009 16:13 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

A nation which doesn't have self respect, will NEVER RISE to power. It will NEVER have prosperity, peace, justice.

This PPP/Zardari govt. is ripping our self respect apart.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Oct 2009 20:16 #
Oriel
Member

No-one is able to 'rip' anyone's self-respect apart. You either have it or you do not. If you do, you defend it and realize when someone is approaching in an attempt to mess around with it. Only when you do not show behaviour of self-respect can it be malligned.

This is what is happening to Pakistani's within Pakistan.

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Oct 2009 20:41 #
msohail83
Member

LOL

Posted 2 years ago on 19 Oct 2009 20:57 #
Beenai
Moderator

honestly speaking...i DO NOT agree with Sheikh sahib.
i DO NOT think that PPP Govt has reached to the success point yet ...its still struggling to reach from point A to point B ....
from getting rid off the tag of Mr.10% ,commissions ,NRO and corruption friendly policies to the point B of getting trust and support of the ppl on crucial steps of the Govt .

Operation against militants :
it may be a good thing for Pakistanis ...but PPP Govt has badly failed it to convince Pakistanis ,that it is in their own favor ...majority of the Pakistanis still considering it a victory of Pakistani forces on behalf of USA .

Control over electricity crisis:
Govt has badly failed to fulfill its time to time announcement of electricity crisis control and its 'rental power plant ';has became a scandal ,more than an effort to solve the issue ...plus increasing prices of electricity units are getting nothing ,but a bad name for Govt .

Control over sugar crisis:
if opposition leaders are involved in the sugar crisis ,than still Govt was responsible to make sure the end of this crisis and make sure the availability of sugar in every city at the cost of Rs40/ as ordered by the courts .

Bad foreign policy:
Musharraf has tilted towards USA and left all the world to be his enemy ....PPP Govt could have tried to make a balance by trying to initiate some relations with other world countries ,to avoid utmost dependency over USA ...
but PPP Govt has gone two steps further ,in the US slavery .
hence we are ONLY depending on US and are totally helpless .

Kerry Lugar Bill:
Govt could have used this bill ,as a tool to bargain its crucial role in war on terror ...but it has badly failed to do so ....bill rather came out as a Charge Sheet against Pakistan ...which has humiliated us world wide .

Law & order in the country :
Govt has badly failed to control law and order situation within the country ...every week ,we heard a news of blasts ,suicide bombings ,at every city ,every province .

investigations:
Govt has badly failed to investigate its own leader assassination case ...even with all the requests and involvements of foreign investigators .

and i need to see ...
whats the meanings of success in the dictionary ...

Posted 2 years ago on 20 Oct 2009 5:28 #
sasherwani
Members

@ JS

If by success you mean:

31% decline in our currency in less than 8 months

Equity disappearing from all sectors of Pakistan

Fast growing inflation

Highest unemployment rate in 16 yrs

Most foreign direct investors pulling out of Pakistan like Kingdom Investments (KHI), Emaar, Wesley Parsons, Goldcrest, CMS, Limitless, DMCC etc

Education quality and rate declining

Political instablility with the approval of the president less than 15%

Most of the prominent PPP members sidelining themselves from the party (Aitezaz, Naheed Khan, Sherry Rehman, Amin Faheem)

A fake degreed individual sitting in the presidential house

: then yes PPPP govt is doing a great job!

Posted 2 years ago on 20 Oct 2009 5:42 #
sasherwani
Members

@ Ghareeb,

Also stop this tourists attraction business. Would you like your Pakistani sisters and daughters to do hoopla for foreign tourists? If there is no night life there is no tourism. Take a hike to Bombay or Bangkok to find out first hand.

Wow, talk about having extreme prejudices and stereotypes. I guess you are one of those ppl who travel to various places for 5,6 nights and come back thinking you are Christopher Columbus.

I go to a lot of tourist places and many do well even without your so-called nightlife prerequisites. Places like Rome, Venice, Florence, Dibba, Jordon, Larnaca, Barcelona, Madrid, Cairo, Amalfi Coasts, Swiss Alps, Istanbul (and a million other places) are known for their historical monuments or natural beauty or culture and NOT as much as for their nightlife.
Secondly the hotel you stayed in was in Sharjah (NOT Dubai) and you are educating us on Dubai life? Dubai and Sharjah are two different Emirates. It takes atleast 2 yrs to really know a place. Your words of wisdom about Dubai are based on a short visit in Sharjah..pretty hilarious if you ask me... Your name depicts your intellect precisely.

Posted 2 years ago on 20 Oct 2009 5:55 #
pkimage
Member

pakistan and pppp.... pppp these days consist of zardari,rehman malik,naik,farzana raja, fozia wahab, and some other non sense people... gilani is in inferiority complex he needs some powerfull hands to support him. co currently their is no mind in pppp which is interesting in development projects...they just looking for those projects where they can make money. i bet after 4 more years pakistan will be in worse situation than now if pppp continues to work , but i am seeing another dictator is emerging in the shape of kayani ..... he is showing to people that this govt is doing nothing in favor of pakistan.. he has also started taking matters in his own hands,,, like sawat operation, kerry loger bil, and if u have doubts see his current letter for mehsood tribes

Posted 2 years ago on 20 Oct 2009 8:28 #
Beenai
Moderator

PPP govt can only survive ...
if it tries to give some powers to its poor PM too .

@all irrelevant posters ,
please be focused .
otherwise i would have no choice but to delete irrelevant posts ...after that ...u all feel bad .
so try to be focused .

Posted 2 years ago on 20 Oct 2009 8:35 #
amin1924
member

Beenai said:

PPP govt can only survive ...
if it tries to give some powers to its poor PM too .

I thought you knew better, PPP govt can only survive as long as it implements KLB in letter and spirit and follow the orders given from...

Posted 2 years ago on 20 Oct 2009 8:43 #
Beenai
Moderator

@JJ Khan ,
i know very well ...
that PPP Govt was given birth by the US policy makers .
and its expiry date has been stamped the day ,it was manufactured .
and its survival is totally dependent on USA .
but i was taking about its survival as a Govt ,in the eyes of Pakistani ppl ,its just possible ,if they give some rights back to their PM ,which has been taken by a dictator ...
and PPP being anti dictator party ,never ever tried to restore PM rights back .

Posted 2 years ago on 20 Oct 2009 8:48 #
amin1924
member

Exactly, it is just a post-colonial tool and will have value as long as it serves the purpose, the minute it resists it will be taken out.

Posted 2 years ago on 20 Oct 2009 9:05 #
Beenai
Moderator

after islamabad islamic university bombing ...
i m seriously thinking ;
is there any Govt ?

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 5:36 #
javedsheikh
Members

@ Beena,

You are right at your spontaneous impression after the sad incident at Islamabad University.
Almost three generations of Pakistanis have been asking the same question:
'Is there any government?'
where the preamble of every Budget speech since 1947, is:
"Pakistan is passing through a crises".
After reading the front and back pages of the Newspapers and watching the Headline News at the Media, very soon, the fourth generation of Pakistanis will ask:
"Is there Allah anywhere in Pakistan?'

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 11:00 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Sheikh sahib,
for Allah ,i am 200% sure ...that he is there for us .
otherwise ,Pakistan would have became a Past .
its surviving still ,just coz Allah somehow wants it to be there on the face of earth .

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 11:07 #
amin1924
member

What is this?

very soon, the fourth generation of Pakistanis will ask:
Is there Allah anywhere in Pakistan?

Atheist remarks?

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 11:10 #
javedsheikh
Members

@ Beena,
You mean it is Allah Who wants to keep Pakistan under a constant crises on the face of the Earth?
Is it Allah Who wants Pakistan to survive like 'Sick Man' of Asia?

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 11:13 #
amin1924
member

Yet again, taking the discussion to Question on Allah swt.

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 11:15 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Sheikh sahib,
yes ...i firmly believe that
it is Allah ...who is making the ship STILL sailing .

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 11:17 #
amin1924
member

Muslims never quit believing in Allah swt no matter how big the hardship falls on them.

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 11:21 #
javedsheikh
Members

Dear Moderators,
Would you please ask the respectable gentleman to track the pace of the debate before jumping in without proper Home work?

The gentleman should read few verses from Allama Iqbal's poem 'Shakwa to Allah'.

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 11:23 #
amin1924
member

Dear Moderators,

Please note the member who derailed the discussion from actual thread to Question on Allah swt.

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 11:25 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Sheikh sahib,
i think ...u have initiated the thread to discuss PPP govt performance .

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 11:26 #
javedsheikh
Members

@ Beena,
O.K.
Coming back to the real issue and your question,
'Is there any government?'
Very stable Governments could not control and avoid the incidents such as 9/11, Mombai Attack, Suicide Attack in Iran and so many serious incidents in Turkey, Egypt, UK, Jordon and other States with very stable ans successful governments.
The real test of a Government is gauged, how a crises is handled and melted.
You will acknowledge that there are certain cancerous cells which cannot be killed even through the best available chemotherapy.
Does it mean that Medical Science has failed completely?

Terrorism is also a new kind of social evil, which could take a few decades to be minimized.

(Please, replace the word Allah by Morality at all of the previous posts and at your response, too. It could be read as , 'Is there Morality anywhere in Pakistan?')

My previous post may be read as under:

"After reading the front and back pages of the Newspapers and watching the Headline News at the Media, very soon, the fourth generation of Pakistanis will ask:
"Is there Morality anywhere in Pakistan?'

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 11:49 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Sheikh sahib,
thanks for coming back to the topic .
no2..i dont think Govt is handling the issue wisely ,
in other countries ,first response of the Govt at that kinds incidents ,is a Resignation from the interior minister .
which is a first sign of Govt admitting the mistake and failure in controlling the mishaps .
as well as this resignation shows and depicts aim of the Govt to handle it differently ,with a different interior minister .
no3.. these kinda threats has been in rumors in masses and media and ppl are well aware of something happening phenomena ,then why interior ministry ,always fails to stop it before it actually happens ?
no4..it was a wrong decision of PPP to follow the foot steps of Mushrraf ,in foreign policy .
now we are burning in the fire of war on terror . and we are alone in the world .

as long as morality versus Allah is concerned ,i totally disagree ...Allah is a faith ...Allah is a spiritual concept ...and morality is a virtue .
u can not mix the two or exchange the two,in my opinion.

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 11:59 #
javedsheikh
Members

@ Beena,
1. Here I agree that the In-charge of the Ministry should have resigned, what unfortunately, is not a traditional precedent in Pakistan.
2. Any other Government would have perpetuated the same policy as laid down by Musharraf.
3. Even if you don't like the term 'Morality' then please, let me know, after reading the front and back pages of the Newspapers and watching the Headline News at the Media,
(what you already mentioned at an other thread),
how a member of the fourth generation of Pakistanis would react?
I expressed my reaction, what was not understood and appreciated due to reasons already very well known.

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 12:16 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Sheikh sahib,
Muhsarraf did ,whatever suits his personal agenda as a dictator ,to prolong its rule in Pakistan .
PPP ,being a political govt ,having a trust of voters ,who has Rejected Mush ,due to his policies ...
should have taken a slow and gradual shift in foreign policy .
which they never did .

if voters of PPP ,wanna mush policies to continue ...they would have voted to Mush backed party PMLQ ...rather voting PPP.

no2..the fourth generation would have more trust on Allah ,than any of us has today .
they will say :
yes ,there is certainly a force ,an unseen force ,who wants this country to Exist on the earth ...
as that much of hardships ,that much of dictatorships,that much of neighboring wars ,that much of pressures ,that much of incapable leaders would hardly keep it like that .
if its existing ,that means 'super being' more powerful than super power ,has been taking the issue in his own hands.

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 12:25 #
Anonymous

It is the failure of intel agencies.

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 14:45 #
Fahim23
Member

@Beena

Foreign Policy of every country remains pretty much same regardless of who is in Power - Even when it changes the pace is deliberately kept very slow so that they don't look drastic.

Just as an example I'll quote current USA set-up. President Bush is declared as the worst president in America's history and therefore probably Obamma has become the most anticipated president of USA! (He is given Nobel prize merely on the anticipation that are linked with him) People of America too wanted to see the change and that is why they voted for Obamma but on many issues say War on Terror or any other foreign policy matter the policy of Obamma is same as of Bush. So the point is Foreign policy or such matters are not dealt like an On-Off switches which instantly bring about the desired changes.

Coming back to Pakistan the policy of Fight against terrorism - the policy of Mush and current government is Same that it is in Pakistan's best intrest to curb this mennace. But you see an invisible but fundamental changes in the tactics of two governments outlined below.

Foreign Policy
==============

1. While Musharaf to serve his personal intrests was Double crossing his own nation and the foreigh powers (supporing terrorists as well as becoming front line state in War on Terror), this government on the other hand is actually striking the nerve centers of Terrorists! And that is the reason you are seeing successes in Swat and tribal areas of Pakhtunkhuwah.
2. Pakistan has attempted to widen its friends circle (and therefore you see the forum of FoDP).
3. In every three months Pakistan's higher officials officially visit China to minimize Pakistan's heavy reliance on America.

Economic Policy
================

1. While Musharaf's government completely ignored agriculture sector and only promoted service based sector (hence you saw increases in Mobiles, Credit cards and cars). This government is emphasizing on Agriculture along with Service based sector. Wheat Support prices. In last tenure of Musharf, Pakistan's agricultural development has dropped from 5% to just 1.5% and Pakistan still currently is in Recovery mode!
2. While Musharaf was only relying on Aid this government is trying to gain access of Trade corridors as well.

PS: I agree wiht you that Rehman Malik should be sacked asap and you might see this happening in near future.

Posted 2 years ago on 21 Oct 2009 15:41 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Fahim,
i am not asking for a drastic change in the foreign policy .
i am talking about a gradual shift ...
obviously ,a drastic change no Govt ,can afford to have.

i was mentioning about too much of dependency on US .
we have left alone in the world .
we should have taken serious steps to getting closer with china ,who has been a neglected neighbor ,in whole of Mush era ...in the first place,China never likes the US troops to enter in the region ,in the name of war on terror .
on other hand ,india ,very cleverly took the advantage and start making connections with China ....

now ,the situation is that bad ,that our president goes to China ,and ask for money ,and China refuses ...

no2...PPP govt thinks ,foreign relations only means foreign aid ....which should not be a case .
we should not ask for money to every country .
but should have some relations ,just for the strategic purposes ...
which Zardari and co badly failed to understand .

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 5:29 #
amin1924
member

You guys are talking about change. Even if the thought of change is sensed in Pakistan society American establishment gets sleepless nights and have to cook up some change for the people to digest for next 5 years.

Zardari govt was a change when people got extremely fed up with Mush dictatorship.

Don't forget they are keeping an eye on every single development and movement. They will pre-empt any move that leaders plan or try -if any because most are already sell outs.

This game has been going on for last 200 years.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 5:32 #
Beenai
Moderator

@JJ khan ,
that we know all ,,,,but do u have any idea ...what could be the way out to this trap?

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 5:43 #
amin1924
member

Only a revolution can get us out of this.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 5:51 #
Beenai
Moderator

@JJ Khan
and who will u see ,coming up with this revolution?
are u too waiting for a Mohammad Bin Qasim or Messah ?

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 5:53 #
amin1924
member

Not waiting, working on it.

Middle class people like you who see things, understand things and help make public opinion. Masses are just followers, they will follow small sincere leader class.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 5:56 #
Beenai
Moderator

@JJ khan ,
i like your optimism ....but frankly speaking ...
i m hopeless about all this leaders lot .
what middle class can do in a country ?>
where decisions are in the hands of 2% upper class?

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 6:17 #
amin1924
member

We can try and work with our generation and following generation. Trying is better than not doing anything.

You are also trying by putting effort on pk forum.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 6:22 #
shahzad1924
member

if you study any movement of change, it was the common people who stood up against the ruling elite.

did the bolshevik movement consist of the ruling elite? how many were they? was lenin from an aristocratic family?

and take the example of Rasoolullah (SAW); were the sahabah from the ruling elite?

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 6:23 #
Fahim23
Member

@Beena

From your post I understood, Pak should

1. Strengthen its ties with China and in general reduce the heavy dependency on USA.
2. Widens the spectrum of its friends especially with its neighbours like Iran, Afghanistan, China and India.
3. Focus on Trade rather than aid.

All are sensible points and I was trying to highlight that - this is exactly what PPP is trying to acheive.

1. In every 3rd month Pak's president or Prime minister visits China and we have cut about 40 MoUs with China especially to meet our Energy and Agriculture demands.

2. Friends of Democratic Pakistan is the initiative of this government which includes both Westers and eastern nations. Further, after a pause of 8, 9 long years President Zardari visited Iran and invited Ahmedinijad to visit Pak.

3. Pakistan again after pause of 10 years have demanded access to European and american market especially for textile sector. Also all embassies of Pakistan in Africa especially are directed to explore new channels for Pakistan's goods.

What is hitting the Pakistan most at this moment is the attacks of Terrorists and lack of Effective Governance. I believe Pakistan's government is on right track in curbing the terrorists but it is going to take time and resources. While there is a huge room of improvement in Governance sector and they have no excuse for that but the last 10 years of dictatorship has severely damaged the institutions and Pakistan still is in recovery mode.

Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 17:52 #
Beenai
Moderator

@Fahim,
with all honesty ,i think ,PPP Govt still has a HUGE Credibility gape for its own public .
no matter if its doing any good ,it must be taken wrong.
just because of its wrong perception and bad track record .
PPP seriously needs to work ,to fill up the credibility gape.

Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 6:29 #
hariskhan
member

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

I can't believe I'm watching Fahim write this. He actually thinks PPP is making efforts to make Pakistan a prosperous country.

I can't believe!! how easily it is for javedsheikh sb. and Fahim to twist the truth, how easy it is for them to lie.

So far, I see nothing concrete in his words. ALL I see is deliberate lies.

I can prove he's lying.

Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 12:09 #