http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/15/pakistan-cia-informants-idUSN1425374320110615
should they be court marshall?
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Pakistan arrests CIA's bin Laden informants
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GOOGLE
MemberPosted 11 months ago on 15 Jun 2011 6:54 # -
junaid
Memberlagta hai imdad(bheek) mai kami agaye hai.
Posted 11 months ago on 15 Jun 2011 7:08 # -
scandinavian
MemberThat's a good development. Anybody working for foreign/enemy powers must be punished according to the law!
Posted 11 months ago on 15 Jun 2011 10:22 # -
aftab arif
MemberI doubt very much Major was doing something without knowledge of highups, considering that the raid was done in collusion with Pak Military.
Establishment trying too portray that they were on different page to the Yanks.
Posted 11 months ago on 15 Jun 2011 11:48 # -
uovervinnelig
MemberTime will tell the truth but right now seems to be an attempt just to improve the image of army.
Posted 11 months ago on 15 Jun 2011 12:01 # -
aftab arif
MemberThe Pakistan Army has strongly refuted a news item published in the American media which claimed that an Army Major was included in the detained persons regarding the Abbotabad incident.
ISPR spokesman said that no army officer had been detained and the story was false and totally baseless.
On Wednesday a report published in the NY Times quoted US officials as saying that five CIA informants included a major had been detained by Pakistan.
Posted 11 months ago on 15 Jun 2011 14:01 # -
aik important khabar
http://www.dailymashriq.com.pk/main%20news/m1.htmAur aik "important" tasveer
http://www.dailymashriq.com.pk/pictures/Px14-050.jpgPosted 11 months ago on 15 Jun 2011 15:53 # -
bsobaid
MemberThese Americans sent back were helping with training pak troops according to cnn, so I am not sure if it is a good thing. Since Pak Army, according to this report, not interested in training against terrorist does this mean pak army will gradually stop offensives in FATA?
I like the color of Hina Khar's suit, she looks nice in the picture but government needs to appoint a proper Foreign Minister.
I am surprised why BB chose Zardari, his personality is anything but attaractive.
Posted 11 months ago on 15 Jun 2011 16:00 # -
’سی آئی اے ایجنٹس‘ کے خلاف کریک ڈاؤن، متعدد گرفتار
پاکستانی فوج کا کہنا ہے کہ سی آئی اے کے ساتھ تعاون کرنے کے الزام میں ملک بھر سے متعدد افراد کو حراست میں لے کر ان سے تفتیش کی جا رہی ہے۔
ان پاکستانی اور امریکی شہریوں کے خلاف عملی کارروائی کا آغاز دو مئی کو ایبٹ آباد میں امریکی فوجی کارروائی کے بعد سے شروع کیا گیا ہے۔
امریکی اخبار نیو یارک ٹائمز کے مطابق القاعدہ کے سربراہ اسامہ بن لادن کی ہلاکت میں مدد دینے والوں میں پاکستانی فوج کے ایک میجر بھی شامل تھے جو اب پاکستانی فوج کی تحویل میں ہیں۔
تاہم پاکستانی فوج کے محکمہ تعلقات عامہ کے ڈائریکٹر بریگیڈئیر سید عظمت علی نے پاکستانی فوج سے تعلق رکھنے والے کسی بھی شخص کی اس ضمن میں گرفتاری کی تردید کرتے ہوئے بی بی سی کو بتایا ’کوئی پاکستانی فوجی زیر حراست نہیں ہے لیکن بعض افراد کو ہم نے تفتیش کی غرض سے تحویل میں لے رکھا ہے جن کے بارے میں ہمیں شبہ ہے کہ یہ لوگ امریکی انٹیلیجنس اداروں کے لیے کام کرتے تھے۔‘
نیو یارک ٹائمز نے یہ بھی کہا ہے کہ امریکی سی آئی اے کے سربراہ لیون پنیٹا نے پاکستان میں گزشتہ ہفتے پاکستانی فوجی اور انٹیلیجنس سربراہ کے ساتھ ملاقات میں پاکستان میں سی آئی اے ایجنٹس کی گرفتاری پر اعتراض کیا ہے۔
پاکستان کے مختلف شہروں میں موجود ’امریکی انسانی اثاثوں‘ کے خلاف بڑے پیمانے پر کریک ڈاؤن دو مئی کو ایبٹ آباد میں امریکی فوجی آپریشن کے فوراً بعد شروع ہوا۔
امریکی اثاثوں کی تیسری کیٹگری عام پاکستانی شہری ہیں۔ ان لوگوں میں سے بعض کے خلاف پرتشدد کارروائیوں کی بھی اطلاعات ہیں۔ یہ عام شہری ملک کے مختلف شہری علاقوں میں موجود ہیں اور مبینہ طور پر سی آئی اے کے لیے جاسوسی کا کام کرتے رہے ہیں۔
ذرائع نے بی بی سی کو بتایا ’ان میں سے بعض نوجوان با اثر خاندانوں سے تعلق رکھتے ہیں اور بعض بیرون ملک سے تعلیم مکمل کر کے واپس آئے ہیں۔ جرم کی سنگینی کے حساب سے ان کے ساتھ ڈیل کیا جا رہا ہے۔ کسی کو تنبیہ کر کے چھوڑ دیا گیا ہے اور بعض کو چھوٹے موٹے جرائم کے الزامات کے تحت گرفتار بھی کیا گیا ہے۔‘
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2011/06/110615_pak_cia_agents_swoop_rh.shtmlذرائع نے بی بی سی کو بتایا ’ان میں سے بعض نوجوان با اثر خاندانوں سے تعلق رکھتے ہیں اور بعض بیرون ملک سے تعلیم مکمل کر کے واپس آئے ہیں۔ جرم کی سنگینی کے حساب سے ان کے ساتھ ڈیل کیا جا رہا ہے۔ کسی کو تنبیہ کر کے چھوڑ دیا گیا ہے اور بعض کو چھوٹے موٹے جرائم کے الزامات کے تحت گرفتار بھی کیا گیا ہے۔
Tu us waqt Army kahan thi jub CIA, multinational companies k zarayee Mukhtalaf languages bolnay walay Pakistaniyon ko Bharti kar rahi thi.
Posted 11 months ago on 16 Jun 2011 5:04 # -
اُسامہ کی اطلاع دینے والےسی آئی اے کےپانچ مخبرپاکستانی تحویل میں ہیں،جنگ میں پاکستان کا کردارنہ ہونے کےبرابر ہے :امریکی اخبارکی ہرزہ سرائی
فوجی اہلکار ایبٹ آباد آپریشن سے کئی ہفتوں قبل اُسامہ کے کمپاؤنڈ کادورہ کرنےوالی گاڑیوں کی تفصیل حاصل کرتا رہا تھا۔
http://www.dailypak.com/index.php?pag=detail&id=25953Posted 11 months ago on 16 Jun 2011 5:08 # -
Posted 11 months ago on 16 Jun 2011 5:18 #
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U.S.-Pakistan relations "on a collision course"
ByDavid Martin - 16.6.11.(CBS News) The U.S.-Pakistani relationship has been going downhill ever since Navy SEALS flew in --without permission — to get Osama bin Laden.
Tuesday's news managed to make things worse, when it was announced that Pakistan has rounded up several informants who helped the CIA find bin Laden.
CBS News correspondent David Martin reports it was the talk of Capitol Hill Wednesday.
Relations with Pakistan have gotten so bad since the raid on bin Laden's compound, the deputy director of the CIA told a closed door hearing on Capitol Hill it's a 3 on a scale of 10. According to Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, relations are close to the breaking point.
"We're at a crossroads with Pakistan. We're on a collision course with Pakistan," Graham said.
While the U.S. wants Pakistan to go after the support network which allowed bin Laden to hide in plain sight, Pakistan instead has arrested and interrogated 5 people suspected of helping the CIA pull off the raid.
It is all part of a spy versus spy game the U.S. plays with one of its most important allies, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates told Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy to get used to it.
"Based on 27 years in CIA and four and a half years in this job, most governments lie to each other. That's the way business gets done," Gates said.
Although CIA drone strikes against terrorist safe havens in Pakistan's border area continue without let up, Pakistani intelligence at the same time actually protects some of the terrorist groups.
The CIA gave Pakistan the location of two compounds where the explosives smuggled across the border to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan are manufactured. Someone in Pakistani intelligence apparently alerted the terrorists who immediately emptied out the compounds.
But for all the double dealing, the chairman of the Pentagon's Joint Chiefs of Staff says the U.S. cannot afford to turn its back on a country that has both terrorists and nuclear weapons on its soil.
"If we walk away from it, it's my view it will be a much more dangerous place a decade from now and we'll be back," Adm. Mike Mullen said.
Right now, Pakistan is pushing the U.S. away. They have kicked out virtually all the Americans who were training their military.
Read more:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/15/eveningnews/main20071393.shtml#ixzz1PPZzOTgN
Posted 11 months ago on 16 Jun 2011 6:24 # -
Extremely hard to believe that US-Pak relations are going south. No Paak Jurnail with a real brain will think of such a move if he sees the US is about to get out of Afghanistan. I will only believe about the news of sour relations if there is no Drone attack from now on or it is shot down.
About the rounding up of CIA informant, I agree with those who think it is just an ISPR-PR campaign.
About the CIA informant: If a Pakistani Jurnail can handover innocent Pakistanis to USA for Dollars, what is wrong if a major or a soobaydar major sells information about a terrorist. I assume one is Halal and the other is going to Jhannam?
Posted 11 months ago on 16 Jun 2011 7:41 # -
"A colonels’ coup, while unlikely, was not out of the question"
Kiyani Fights to Keep His Job
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/16/world/asia/16pakistan.html
Posted 11 months ago on 16 Jun 2011 7:51 # -
Not Possible
BlockedOk America this Amerika that ok ok
but what aabout Osama. Alqaeda?
they are our heros???
Posted 11 months ago on 16 Jun 2011 9:21 # -
Since you have asked; Something of interest regarding Al Qaida!
I have no idea is the news that Obama will delete references to Islamic extremism from the national security policy is accurate.
However, the so called Islamic extremism is a creation of the CIA/Mossad/British intelligence and now Canada’s CSIS/RCMP and India’s RAW are also involved.
And the fact is that Obama is a Zionist Jew. The danger to the World’s Security has always been and is “Rothschild Banksters’ Zionism”: Rothschild Zionism History:Al-Qaeda is the name of the database where information about CIA hired mercenaries is stored as revealed by some military, political and research persons.
Quote: "The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money." [a la George Orwell’s book “1984”, "Emmanuel Goldstein" boogey man created by Ministry of Truth Big Brother]
In the francophone world, a colourful former French military intelligence officer, Pierre-Henri Bunel, had a book published in 2004, "Proche-Orient, une guerre mondiale?", extracts of which appeared in French. The extract went into some detail of how al-Qaeda originally referred to a computer database of Islamist fighters. But, it was not until after Robin Cook had revealed the same in the Guardian, and after his death a month later, that an English translation of Bunel's words appeared on the web in English. The basic outline of his account accords with what Cook had revealed.
If Robin Cook was starting to spill secrets, his sudden death [actually murdered by British Intelligence] one month later saved the defence, intelligence and security services from having to confront a difficult problem, one which would have had no obvious, certain solution.
http://tinyurl.com/ynykcn
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BUN20 &code=BUN20051120&articleId=1291
it has been suggested Al-Qaeda is a front for the global-intelligence drug-trade cartel sponsored by the CIA. e.g. http://whokilledjohnoneill.com/
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=gary+webb+dark+alli...> &lr=&safe=off&q=gary+webb+dark+alliance&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=global+intelligence...> &lr=&safe=off&q=global+intelligence+drug+lords&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=Russia+Afghanistan+...> &lr=&safe=off&q=Russia+Afghanistan+drugs+opium+cold+war&btnG=Search
For example, during the 1980s 'cold war' when the U.S. was backing the Afghani 'freedom fighters' (later to become 'terrorists'), the CIA used to fly shipments of arms in by day and planeloads of opium out at night. Talk about a nice little earner! The best answer to starting to solve the problem of drug-abuse (I believe) would be to decriminalise drugs and at the same time to criminalise the government/intelligence agency drug-dealers.
Al-Queda is closer to being a grouply held franchise operation by the US's CIA, the UK's MI5, and the Israel Mossad. After all the UK attempted to hire Al-Queda to do its ditry work against Lybia in 1995 (note the whistleblower MI5 opeative, David Shayler, on that--UK put a media blackout on him and put him in jail for a while, though his story "will out" as they say; and the only Al-Queda cell ever found was actually invented and run by Mossad in the Palistinian territories in Gaza. See http://www.whatreallyhappened.com on that for the summary of the story, with pictures of the glum Mossad agents after they were caught by the Gaza Palistinian authority government; and Michael Chertoff, you know, the "Jewish" guy in charge of U.S. security now (sigh) was the defense lawyer for Muslim Magdy El-Amir, a financier for Al-Queda in the 1993 WTC bombing; and lets additionally throw in that "Jewish" Abramoff used to work for a Muslim bank back in 1995, that was accused for funnelling money to Osama bin Laden (i.e., as a CIA proxy?) There are plenty of direct links showing Al-Queda is just a Western front: just a grouply managed "database" storefront operation of the imperialist West--accessed by the CIA, Mossad, and MI5 equally as they work on expanding their fast food terrorism drive thru franchises throughout the Middle East, and then using them to control the Muslim poplation that want to throw the West off their shoulders.
This sorry state of affairs is the brainchild of new world order geniuses like Zbigniew Brzezenski, who hatched the idea of reviving Islamic jihadism and turning it into a political weapon, inspiring a generation of Islamic insurgents armed and trained with modern weaponry and demolition skills. The idea was to indoctrinate millions of devout Muslims with militant Wahabi doctrine, dispensed in Saudi madrassas in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan's badlands (utilizing radical Islamist textbooks printed for the CIA in the USA), is bearing fruit today. The new generation of thirty-something Taliban leaders, like 34 year-old Baitullah Mehsud (accused of assassinating Benazir Bhutto), are products of the madrassa indoctrination. The University of Nebraska-Omaha jihadi textbooks began arriving in the Saudi/Pakistani madrassas when Mehsud and his pals were about ten years old.”
“"Al Qaida" is a CIA fabricated enemy, created as an opponent for the CIA-created "neocon" supermen, intended to embed an invisible terror army amongst the people, in order to perpetually justify waging war upon the people. 9/11 was a declaration of war by the CIA conspirators upon the people of the United States and the military forces that defend us. The US Army should be hunting the real CIA terrorists.”
“Before Kangas died, he produced a lengthy report titled, "How the CIA Created a Ruling, Corporate Overclass in America" that may have gotten him killed.
<http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-cia-created-ruling-corp...> http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-cia-created-ruling-corp... “
“The US war on terror has been, in reality, a machine for sowing terror, intended to force the people who are inclined to self-defense, to become terrorists. Kidnappings, targeted assassinations, military attacks, and the making of entire populations into refugees, are tactics intended to alienate individuals and drive them to vigilantism. Terrorists are defined as those who take up arms to defend against US attacks and occupation. The driving purpose of the war on terrorism has been to uncover would-be terrorists (those who would resist America), by forcing radicalized men to violently act upon their beliefs. The use of "death squads" and militias to instigate conflicts is a plot to flush-out the hidden commitments to family and country that would drive angry young men to oppose America's violent designs upon their property.”
"Al Qaeda is nothing more than an extension of the apparatus linked to U.S. intelligence that was allowed, by script, to remove itself as a rogue breakaway entity of the U.S. government; allowed to de-compartmentalize from oversight, and was run instead by Gary Best's rogue black ops specialists for scripted activity outside the U.S. government." Tom Heneghan, International Intelligence Expert
http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/d2c0b5967496c209Posted 11 months ago on 16 Jun 2011 9:31 # -
Not Possible
BlockedSo is OBL a Shaheed and our hero or not?
Posted 11 months ago on 16 Jun 2011 10:00 # -
I'll answer that for you, NP. Yes, he is a shaheed and our hero, but not because of all the recent false flags (i.e. over the past ten years), but of that which came before. As an Afghan Resistance guerrila fighter during the Soviet era he merited the two distinctions you stated above. After that, he was mainly a sick man.
Mirza Sahib, Excellent that we are finally getting to the core of the matter. Nothing is as it appears. Obama is a Zionist Jew says the article, correct. Al Quaida doesn't exist in the sense that it has nothing to do with the Muslim Ummah, correct. Ex-British FM was murdered because he dared to say so, correct. Rotschild Zionist wars, correct. And also correct all that we have been saying all along about the CIA-Mossad (and in the case of Pakistan: RAW) nexus.
Posted 11 months ago on 16 Jun 2011 11:26 # -
Not Possible
BlockedBe careful in your assesment and mailigning of Obama
he may be hostage to the NeoCon system in USA as the Zionist lobby and NeoCons are extremly powerful and influential and manipulative
Imagine if you were made President and had to work in that kind of system
He might find it very hard to break the shackles of the past NeoCon rule and current Zionist influence
His actions may be discreat and incremental to break this yoke
If you hammer him Sarah the Dumbo Palin may come to power
Much like Dubya but worse
Posted 11 months ago on 16 Jun 2011 11:34 # -
spruce
Memberif obama tried to went against the neo cons theories he will be killed and blame will go to iran to cause a reason to attack on iran or pakistan.
Posted 11 months ago on 16 Jun 2011 11:39 # -
NP, who's afraid of Sarah Palin? She's probably exactly what US needs finally to bury itself under the rubble of its explodd empire.
Posted 11 months ago on 16 Jun 2011 20:43 #
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