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Pakistan handles Islamic extremism with kid gloves

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  1. yahya
    Member

    Obvious stuff but worth reminding...

    No institution appears immune. At the prestigious University of the Punjab, a radical group has clamped down on anything it deems un-Islamic, be it music classes or male and female students being seen together. When a professor had several of the group's students expelled for violent behavior last year, other members severely beat him with rods and sticks.

    Even the upper chamber of parliament, the Senate, has been affected. After Taseer was assassinated, a move to offer a traditional memorial prayer was rejected, which observers said reflected the raw emotions caused by differences over the blasphemy law.

    Meanwhile, extremist groups have been emboldened.

    At a rally last month by Jamaat-ud-Dawa, a group regarded in the West as a front for the banned militant organization Lashkar-e-Taiba, more than 20,000 Pakistanis jammed a highway in the eastern city of Lahore to hear Islamist leaders urge the government to establish a ministry for jihad, or holy war. India and the West have accused Lashkar-e-Taiba of masterminding the terrorist attacks in Mumbai in 2008 that killed more than 160 people.

    "I can assure you that the funding for this ministry will be given by (Jamaat-ud-Dawa), and we will present a million trained sons of ours for this purpose," the group's political affairs chief, Hafiz Abdul Rehman Makki, told the crowd. "Give these million warriors of God AK-47s!"

    Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/ISLAMIC+EXTREMISM/4529958/story.html#ixzz1I7S1tue9

    Posted 1 year ago on 30 Mar 2011 22:06 #
  2. Bawa
    Member

    تنگ ملت ، ننگ دیں اور ننگ وطن لوگوں کا مقصد حیات ہی پاکستان اور اسلام دشمنی ہے. ایسے لوگوں سے ہماری تاریخ بھری پڑی ہے جو غیروں کے ہاتھوں میں چند ٹکوں کی خاطر اپنا ایمان بیچ دیتے ہیں اور اپنے ہی ملک کا سودا کرتے ہیں. الله تعالیٰ کا لاکھ لاکھ شکر ہے کہ بھٹو نے ہمیں ان لوگوں کا اصل چہرہ دکھلا دیا تھا اور ہم ان کو امت مسلمہ سے نکالنے میں کامیاب ہو گئے تھے ورنہ پتہ نہیں اب تک یہ منافق مسلمانوں کو کتنا نقصان پہچا چکے ہوتے. اب ہم انکے چہروں کو آسانی سے پہچان لیتے ہیں. انکے منہ سے پاکستان اور اسلام دشمنی کی بو آتی ہے. شیطان کے ان پیروکاروں کے خون میں وطن سے وفا نہیں ہے. یہ وہ بے شرم لوگ ہو جو جس ملک میں رہتے ہیں اسی کی بدنامی کرتے ہیں. انکے خمیر میں ہی دغا بازی ملی ہوئی ہے یہ وفا کر ہی نہیں سکتے ہیں اسی لیے پوری دنیا میں ذلیل و خوار ہو رہے ہو. ان میں غیرت ہے تو اس ملک کو چھوڑ کر دفع ہو جائیں اور اس ملک کو اپنے ناپاک وجود سے پاک کر دیں. لعنت ہے جس پاکستان کا کھاتے ہیں اسی کا برا چاہتے ہیں

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 0:12 #
  3. zenith
    Member

    Hypocrites rule!

    How can one claim to implement the selective teachings of a divine religion when one is not consistent with it holistically?

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 0:16 #
  4. toamin
    member

    یہ کوئی چار پانچ قادیانی ہیں جو مسلمانوں اور پاکستان سے اپنی محبت کا اظہار کرتے رہتے ہیں، پرانے لوگ سب ان کو جانتے ہیں اور یہ خود بھی کوئی نہیں چھپاتے، کسی نے ڈاکٹر سلام کی تصویر لگائی ہے تو کوئی اپنے قادیانی ٹی وی کے حوالے دے رہا ہوتا ہے

    ان کو ابھی تک اس بات کا غصہ ہے کہ ان کو کافر کیوں قرار دیا گیا تھا

    :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 0:51 #
  5. shirazi
    Member

    @Bawa Ji

    I hope you are not trying to say religious extremism is not an issue or it bothers and itches only qadiyanis. Bringing up violent activities of IJT or LET or ilk is not anti Islam or anti Pakistan.

    We differ with qadiyanis on their religious beliefs but that doesn't mean we are better Pakistanis than them or any other
    religious or ethnic group.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 0:53 #
  6. toamin
    member

    دیکھتے جائیں، اچھے اچھے وکیل آئیں گے

    :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 0:57 #
  7. Just like Sethi his ideal, Shirazi tu hai hi mulk-o-qaum ka mukhalif ;-)

    FJ

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:01 #
  8. shirazi
    Member

    @Salam

    It works both ways, Bawa Ji will find nota, Salam and few others connecting every dot back to qadeyanis or minority rights. There are few who 'd defend all sorts of violence in the name of religion :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:04 #
  9. zenith
    Member

    @ salam

    Be very specific when you call someone a qadiani or a kafir. Call them by name.

    If you were responding to my comment, I would consider your comment a pathetic defense in favour of hypocrites.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:06 #
  10. shirazi
    Member

    @FJ

    Jub tuk mulk o qom ke mufad mein qadeyanioo or minorities go galeyan na dein, unn ko har sazish ke peeche na tharein hub ul watan kase bun saktey hein.

    And if you want graduate diploma in patriotism buy in JI and LeT's world view and for master's degree you have to defend Taliban like Nota ji.

    Aur ghalti se agar hindustan se aman bahi chare kee baat kar li toh app hum mein se nahi.
    :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:09 #
  11. shirazi
    Member

    @zenith

    There are 3-4 who have declared like Aay Khokar, Yahya and perhaps kbajwa sb. and perhaps one more. They 'd know better as they are maintaining the head count :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:13 #
  12. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    It pains to see the simpletons falling into the crap posted by montreal gazette. Most of the Zionist controlled media is spewing hatred 24X7X365 and it is best to ignore their rants rather than dwelve into endless debates that will achieve nothing.

    It reminds me of a Western correspondent on a tour of former Soviet Union focusing on Islamic extremism and labelling genuine Muslims as extremists. The reply that one Muslim did was reported by the same correspondent and it caught my eye. The individual blasted the reporter and said he is proud to be a extremist and will be proud to carry that label until eternity.

    BTW, the reporter was bent upon presenting Turkey as a Big Brother for those Central Asians who long suffered under Communism but it should be noted that the Big Brother was notoriously absent from the scene. Once the Central Asians got independance the big brother instantly sprang to embrace their lost brethren claiming common Turkish ancestry.

    It was the same Big Brother who accepted few hundred Turkish speaking Uzbek refugees during Soviet occupation of Afganistan when millions flooded to Pak Sarzameen. Even Iran welcomed mostly Shia Hazaras from Herat and not every refugee.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:18 #
  13. shirazi
    Member

    @AR

    Rants he sahi dil bahlne dein match se toh focus hatey ga :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:20 #
  14. @ Shirazi

    "Aur ghalti se agar hindustan se aman bahi chare kee baat kar li toh app hum mein se nahi"

    AAj ka Talat ka program dekh leena tha aur phir baat karna aman ki whatever.

    Watch last 15 minutes and then preach aman ki Fvckhta :-P

    http://pkpolitics.com/2011/03/30/news-night-with-talat-30-march-2011/

    So much for indian peace loving mainstream media
    FJ

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:30 #
  15. Bawa
    Member

    @ Shirazi

    شیرازی بھائی. ان قادیانیوں نے کبھی ملک و قوم سے اپنی محبت کا اظہار بھی کیا ہے؟ اگر کیا ہے تو مجھے انکا ایک بھی کومنٹ دکھا دیں. اسکا مقصد حیات کی پاکستان اور اسلام کا مذاق اڑانا ہے. آخر انکے سارے کومنٹس نفرت بھرے ہی کیوں ہیں؟ یہ دوسروں کی آڑ لیکر نفرت پھیلاتے ہیں. انکو اصل تکلیف جو ہے وہ کھل کر بیان کرنی چاہیے تاکہ لوگ انکے مکرو چہرے دیکھ سکیں

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:31 #
  16. zenith
    Member

    @ abdul rehman

    Crap Crap Crap Crap. Everything is a bunch of crap spread by the zionists so they could ruin our wonderful islamic kingdoms where we maintain exemplary peace, justice and prosperity.

    These zionists want to annihilate our impeccable way of islamic life where we loot and kill our fellow muslims in the name of Islam.

    You are a genius all the way!

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:31 #
  17. shirazi
    Member

    @FJ

    I started watching Talat's program but couldn't as it was so pathetic. But now that you insist I will try to watch final 15 minutes. As far as Talat is concerned yeh khud aman ke fakhta bun jein gey ager GHQ se ashara miley :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:36 #
  18. SufiSoul
    Member

    During my days of madrasa and manaziras with qadyanis in rabwa we a group passed through their JANNAT in rabwa.They created this Jannat having some hoors k naam pe kalank which were girls out in their for picnic in their so-called jannat.
    These qadyanis are living in their self created takhayulati jannat and wasting their energies in such thinkings as qadyaniyat will spread and become the majority religion of the world...

    Bawa sb,
    Man behind bhutto was maulana ghuas hazawi famous as hazarwi baba.May be i find this effort of hazarwi baba over net and will provide you with this step by step stpry behind eradicating qadyanis from muslims list.
    After hazarwi baba nusrat bhutto have that reward and effort and pressurises bhutto for this act.After these two bhutto comes as finally bhutto was convinced to do so......

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:38 #
  19. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Zenith, Zionists reached their zenith after World War II and are implementing sentence by sentence and word by word in manipulating the gentiles as per their sinister agenda in the Protocals of Elders of Zion. You shoud know "Thy enemy" when you read the entire Protocals that openly talk about world domination. But if you are bent upon embracing the enemy there is nothing any one can do for your kind. BTW, you will still be classified as "gentile" no matter how much you kow tow their line.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:38 #
  20. zenith
    Member

    @ Bawa

    Oh the Fatwa deliverer is at it again.

    Who the hell are you to deliver a fatwa?

    Do you even know the sin of tohmat?

    Your comments are shamelessly pathetic.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:42 #
  21. shirazi
    Member

    @Bawa Ji

    I assume real issue that you are hinting to is that why Bhutto declared them non Muslims? If so, I stand by them state had no business declaring anyone believer or non believer. Mullahs do that all the time they declare each other in-bound and out-bound, state should have kept itself aloof.

    But irrespective would you not agree there are qadiyanis who served at the highest level including armed forces and were loyal to Pakistan. How do you grade Prof. Dr. Abdus Salam. For few, including me, irrespective of his faith he was the brightest mind we produced.

    The concern shown by our fellow qadeyani bloggers is shared by almost all of us, be it deteriorating law and order, corruption, unemployment, religious extremism, masses suppressed in ME. These are the issues that we all discuss here, just because we know someone's faith we can't twist their every concern back to their faith.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:49 #
  22. shirazi
    Member

    @Sufi bahi

    Lagtah hai manazre ke naam pe app janat kee sair kar ke aa gai. Khuch manazre ke tufselaat dateh app toh janat ke taswer kashi mein pur gai :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:53 #
  23. zenith
    Member

    @ abdul Rehman

    Manipulation!

    This is what I like about people like you. Absolve yourselves of every responsibility and heap the blame on all the zionists.

    They manipulate people who are willing to be manipulated.
    Our societies are immensely decadent and of course it does not matter to you.

    When the quran says that use your brains, there are signs for people who think rationally, you become completely oblivious to it.

    Where is our islamic system which has inherent protection against in it? Why have we failed consistently to implement it?

    The answer is the rationality that has eluded us for centuries. The ones who did try to do something were actually mercilessly swept aside by their own people whom they fight for.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:56 #
  24. zenith
    Member

    Aik to pakistan match haar gaya hai ooper say in logon ki fazool batain suno.

    I barely got over that loss.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 1:58 #
  25. SufiSoul
    Member

    shirazi,
    lolzz
    The big question their so called ulema cannot answer is,
    If your mirza was Mahdi/maseeh etc than where he is burried????
    why not burried in madina munnawarra in roza mubarak....

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 2:00 #
  26. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    "How do you grade Prof. Dr. Abdus Salam. For few, including me, irrespective of his faith he was the brightest mind we produced."

    Really? So what when there is no Imaan and Aqeeda. Even a practicing Muslim bhangi is lot better than that so called materialistic educated doctor. There was a reason when Prophet SAS asked Muslims to shun Kuffar women and instead marry slave girl. You simply cannot embrace such mushriks. The only way to deal with such "intelligent" mushriks is to make them slaves and learn their trade as a barter for their freedom.

    How about that joker in India, Abdul kalam Azad who is also supposed to be a father of missile technology. Before his term as India's president, he worked as an aeronautical engineer. He is popularly known as the Missile Man of India for his work on development of ballistic missile and space rocket technology. Kalam played a pivotal organizational, technical and political role in India's Pokhran-II nuclear test in 1998, the first since the original nuclear test by India in 1974. This joker practices idol worship and reads pagan scriptures to please the masters. There is no use for million such mushriks if they do not have Iman.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 2:00 #
  27. shirazi
    Member

    @Sufi bahi

    Yeh to app batein na manazara app ne keya hai ya mein ne? Janat ke durshun app karein, manazre app karein aur sawal o jawab ke leye hum?

    I do not share their belief, I can't defend my faith how can I defend theirs? All I argued we can't doubt someone's patriotism based on their faith or ethnicity.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 2:08 #
  28. shirazi
    Member

    @FJ

    I just watched second half of Talat's program. It's funny. In India we have serious journalism and then this sort of cheap publicity stunts. Talat should have kept himself aloof of all this BS. He is not our B category journalist. He should learn from Nusrat Javed and Mustaq Minhas how they conducted their today's program. I am utterly disappointed by his tone and direction but as I said he is GHQ's mouth piece. They determine his direction, no big deal.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 2:13 #
  29. SufiSoul
    Member

    All I argued we can't doubt someone's patriotism based on their faith or ethnicity.

    ////////////////////////////////////////
    They got deeply hurted by this decision and now they cannot be trusted..
    kehty hain apny dushmanon ko bhool jawo laikin un k naam na bholo......

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 2:18 #
  30. shirazi
    Member

    @Sufi bahi

    Kon kehta hai?

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 2:26 #
  31. SufiSoul
    Member

    siyany keh gaye hain............

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 2:28 #
  32. Bawa
    Member

    شیرازی بھائی اور دیگر دوستو

    میری پاکستانی سے نفرت اور احترام معیار اسکی پاکستان سے وفا داری سے منسلک ہے. کوئی پاکستانی خواہ وہ مسلمان ہو، ہندو ہو، عیسائی ہو، مرزائی ہو اور کسی اور مذھب اور عقیدے کا ماننے والا ہو یا سیکولر ہو، اگر وہ پاکستان سے محبت کرتا ہے اور اسکے آئین و قانون کا احترام کرتا ہے تو وہ میرے لیے قابل احترام ہے لیکن اگر وہ میرے پاکستان کو بدنام کرتا ہے یا یہاں نفرت پھیلاتا ہے خواہ وہ مسلمان ہو، ہندو ہو، عیسائی ہو، مرزائی ہو اور کسی اور مذھب اور عقیدے کا ماننے والا ہو یا سیکولر ہو، اگر وہ پاکستان سےنفرت کا اظہار کرتا ہے، اسکے آئیں و قانون کا مذاق اڑاتا ہے تو وہ میرے لیے قابل نفرت ہے. میں تمام پاکستانیوں کو پاکستان میں بلا لحاظ مذھب، علاقہ اور زبان برابر کے حقوق دینے کے حق میں ہوں. کسی کے ساتھ کوئی امتیازی سلوک نہیں ہونا چاہیے اور ہر ایک کو مکمل مذہبی اور شخصی آزادی ہونی چاہئیے

    میں نے یحییٰ صاحب کے سارے کومنٹس پرہے ہیں. انکا مقصد اس فورم پر پاکستان کے خلاف اور مسلمانوں کے خلاف نفرت پھیلانے کے سوا کچھ نہیں ہے. لگتا ہے یہ ایک منظم منصوبے کے تحت اسلام اور مسلمانوں کے خلاف زہر اگلتے ہیں. میں اس چیز کو مانتا ہوں کہ یہاں اقلیتیں محفوظ نہیں ہیں لیکن کیا مسلمان محفوظ ہیں؟ کیا مسلمان قتل نہیں ہو رہے ہیں؟ کیا مساجد میں دھماکے نہیں ہو رہے ہیں؟ سب غیر محفوظ ہیں تو عیسایوں کی آڑ لیکر نفرت پھیلانے کا کیا مقصد؟ اور پھر انکی سوچ دیکھیے کہ جس تھریڈ میں ٹیری جونز کی طرف سے قران جلانے کی مذمت کی جا رہی ہے وہاں یہ صاحب کومنٹس کیا دے رہے ہیں؟ خیر انکے میں کن کن کومنٹس کا ذکر کروں؟ انکو میں نے بے نقاب کرنا تھا سو کر دیا

    حرف آخر یہی ہے کہ پاکستان کی عزت کرو گے تو عزت کرواو گے اور پاکستان کے خلاف نفرت پھیلاو گے تو جواب میں نفرت ہی پاو گے

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 2:38 #
  33. shirazi
    Member

    @Bawa Ji

    Thanks for clarification otherwise I was about to give you a call, but then when I looked for your number I guess you have mine but I don't have yours :)

    I think we are on same page, Pakistan first no discriminations. As far as Yahya bahi is concerned I guess you had some scores to settle that perhaps you did:)

    I agree Pakistan is going through a chaos and it's effecting with varying degree each one of us w/o asking us what our religion or race is?

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 2:47 #
  34. Bawa
    Member

    @ Shirazi

    بھائی جی صبح آپ گھر ہونگے تو میں فون کروں؟ میں ایسٹرن ٹایم سے دو گھنٹے پیچھے ہوں اور صبح اپنے تو بجے کر سکتا ہوں

    کیا آپ دستیاب ہونگے؟

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 2:59 #
  35. Qadianis are very patriotic!!

    I know few of them personally, but they hate Government's policies which discriminate against them.

    But I vehemently oppose the theology of their cult. They need to be enlightened and educated, but we decided to shun them all together cutting all ties and communication inadvertently strengthening their baseless belief.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 3:01 #
  36. shirazi
    Member

    @Bawa Ji

    At your convenience please any time you have my cell #, zara match ka ghum ghalat karein gey

    :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 3:01 #
  37. Bawa
    Member

    @Shirazi

    بہت شکریہ بھائی جی. میں صبح ٹھیک اپنے نو بجے فون کروں گا

    خدا نگہباں

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 3:04 #
  38. toamin
    member

    @Zenith,

    Rest assured about specifics when dealing with me, why not ask me for clarification before uttering pathetic word?

    Seems like you are not active enough to know about Yahya, Aay Khokar and HKBAJWA, at least these 3 say openly way what they believe in and are known AHMADI.

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 3:05 #
  39. shirazi
    Member

    @dell

    I fully agree with you and that's why we sent @Sufi bahi for manazara but it seems like woh sirf janat ke mazey le ke aa gai :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 3:08 #
  40. @Shirazi Sb.

    Just freaking imagine people like Sufi representing orthodox Islam against Qadianis, isiliye to aaj yeh haal hai!!!

    Haroon Rasheed once said, "Hamaray mulk per hukumat ka tekka maashray kay ghatiya tareen loogon kay paas hai, aur humain deen sikhanay ka tekka perlay darjay kay jahiloon kay paas hai".

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 3:16 #
  41. shirazi
    Member

    @AR

    From Abdus Salam to Abul Kalam app toh hur kissi pe fitwae deh rahe hein, khuda kheir kare scientists toh app ko ek aankh nahi bhatey.

    :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 3:16 #
  42. shirazi
    Member

    @dell

    App ne Haroon Rashid ke kandhe se sufi bahi pe toph ka gola mara hai :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 3:18 #
  43. toamin
    member

    اور لگتا ہے کہ قادیانی آپ کو خوب بہاتے ہیں

    :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 3:20 #
  44. SufiSoul
    Member

    orthodox Islam,
    Yahi islam tho chub raha hy kuch roshan khayalon ko....aur chubta rahe ga...majority love to be muslims from the core of their hearts...minority can cry and they are free to cry..

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 3:21 #
  45. shirazi
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    @Salam

    Kahan bahatey hein bahi, 3 iss site pe, ek ex-FM Zafar Ullah aur ek Dr. Abdus Salam aur inn mein se bhi kissi se mein personally milne ka sharuf hasal nahi howa, hum ne thoore hee janat kee sarein kee hein sufi bahi ke tarah :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 31 Mar 2011 3:25 #

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