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Pakistan in March 1953

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  1. achtung
    Member

    For two days last week, a wild mob ruled the Pakistan city of Lahore (pop. 849,000). Surging through the streets, hungry Moslems stoned and stabbed police, burned buses and automobiles, ripped up railroad tracks, cut telegraph wires, smashed traffic lights and forcibly blackened the faces of anyone caught riding a bicycle or automobile. All shops closed and public officials fled. The city's 300 police, disarmed by the mob, were withdrawn from the streets. All communication with the outside world was cut off.

    It was a minor revolution which swept this capital of the fertile Punjab province—a revolution engineered by fanatical mullahs against the Pakistan government. Five and a half years ago, when millions of frightened refugees were pouring into newly created Pakistan, the mullahs were the people's leaders. They had a strong voice in the government. But when the country began establishing industries, hospitals, schools and banks, the mullahs protested that these innovations clashed with Islamic law. When Pakistani women shed their veils and emerged from purdah (complete seclusion in the home), the more fanatic mullahs were outraged. When the time came for Pakistan to draw up a constitution, the mullahs demanded that it be based on the Koran. (Result: Pakistan, a nation of 76 million, is still without a constitution.) The government of Prime Minister Kwaja Nazimuddin avoided an open clash with religious leaders, but paid less attention to their counsel.

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,818042,00.html#ixzz0uXNuqunh

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 16:10 #
  2. achtung, that was a very good posting of yours. Unfortunately, it's a question of principle with me that I do not comment on things appearing in mags like the US Time, I'll say nothing. But you'll attract a lot of other bloggers, no doubt.

    Only this additionally, I've nothing at all to do with the mullahs or the Wahabis or whomever. Yet, I, too, after so many years of fazool rulers in Pakistan, have come to the conclusion that an Islamic system (N.B. not a mullah-led system) might be the answer to Pakistan's present problems.
    In any case, we're on the cusp of many changes in the years to come. Only time will tell what's in store for us next.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 17:54 #
  3. achtung
    Member

    mirza ghalib bhai

    it was not some view of ‘time’ magazine. it was describing situation in pakistan that time. i was interested because i not see any big change today after 57 years. mulla-nonmulla fight was going on at that time. mulla-nonmulla fight is going out today. only difference today that we blame this fight on america and west.

    good that you see many changes in coming years. i wish that changes do not further destroy pakistan.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 19:46 #
  4. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    "Mullah" bashing has become hallmark of Western journalists and like minded brown slaves. Nothing new.

    Let us shift our focus on another side of Muslim world in the same year-1953. Turkey was under iron grip of staunchly secular dictator- Mustafa Kamal Ata Turk. He and his so called young Turk henchmen mercilessly crushed "Mullahs" and secularised and nationalised the country on European model with the sole intention of assimilating 100% into European ghetto model. They did all they could to please their European buddies.

    This is year 2010. What went wrong in Turkey? After more than 60 years of secularism and blind aping of West, the Turks are still pariah-outcast in the West. Their economy is in shambles and have the lowest per capita in Europe perhaps with exception of Albania. They are standing with a begging bowl in front of Europe for last 60 years pleading to be accepted in the European Union. They have been repeatedly humiliated and turned away from the exclusive Christian club. Rather than going back to Caliphate( In line with Orthodox caliphate by removing the heriditary caliphate) that propelled Turks to dignity and rulers of three continents, the so called young Turks are still looking to West for their salvation. Pathetic slaves!

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 19:50 #
  5. achtung
    Member

    abdul rehman bhai

    you say mulla was crushed by mustafa kamal in turkey in 1953.

    but mulla is azad in pakistan politics today.

    which country is better off today, peace-wise, law-and-order-wise, economy-wise, education-wise, tecnology-wise, agriculture-wise, engineering-wise, tourism-wise, discipline-wise, employment-wise, poverty-wise, solidarity-wise etc.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 20:06 #
  6. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    achtung, None at the moment. But what is your yardstick? OK. You want to have tourism? That is what West loves. They want Muslim countries to be hoopla for the decadent foreign tourists that you see in countries like Phillipines, Thailand etc. As a matter of fact Tunisia and Turkey have exclusive nude beaches catering to tourists. These countries are changing into brothel houses for Western tourists. I wouldn't like to be part of that kind of tourism.

    What is your concept of a Mullah?

    First of all it is not even an Islamic terminology. It is not even Arabic.

    I rememeber Iqbal's words:

    ye do rakat ke imam kya jaane mulkoun ki imamat kya hoti hai

    What does the 2 rakat Imam (Mullah) know about the leadership of a nation.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 20:19 #
  7. Pakistani molvis are world's biggest Fasadi and they have always been a major obstacle to development of our country. Very good thread to expose these fasadi molvis of 1950s.

    Keeping religion away from politics is key to economic success.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 20:20 #
  8. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Sweettruth, Try something new. Molvi/Mullah bashing has become old. It won't work.

    The world's biggest fasadi frauds are the white collar secular politicians that are ruling Pakistan.

    Keeping religion in politics is the only salvation. The rest are doomed to failure. Pakistan tried almost everything from dictatorship, to socialism to democracy. It is about time to try integrate politics with religion. Remember the role model for Pakistan is not Jinnah or Ayub but Prophet SAS who was a ceasar and pope in one. When Muslims followed that role model they were masters of the civilized world. When they follow any other model devoid of divine law, they will be humiliated and kicked around the world as you can deduce from the current scenario.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 20:35 #
  9. @Abdul Rahman

    So who will be the first Khalifa of this Khilafat topi drama?

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 20:42 #
  10. @Abdul Rahman

    These molvis were fasadi in the 1950s and still today they are same. Nothing has changed.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 20:44 #
  11. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    ST, Your question although totally illogical has been answered in the democracy thread.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 20:52 #
  12. achtung
    Member

    abdul rehman bhai

    sorry, you overlook all the indicator i say of economic development, you could only say some thing about tourism. brothals, nidity, has nothing to do with tourism. thousands of pakistani tour northern beautiful areas of pakistan, do they do it for the reason as in your mind? no, not at all.

    you are right, there is no post as mulla in islam. but what is mulla in pakistan, you, me, every one know it. we know what they did in 1953. we know what they doing today. muslims are kicked around in world due to role of mullas.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 20:55 #
  13. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    achtung bhai, What economy? Interest based western economies are on brink of collapse. We can build of own economies free of interest.

    Please see this video.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 21:01 #
  14. achtung
    Member

    abdul rehman bhai

    what economy?

    that is interesting.

    abhi tak interest based economy ka badal tou samnay nahee aa saka, siwaey iss kay keh interest ko islami libaday mein chhupa kay islami naam dey diya.

    video is really funny as its name is.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 21:06 #
  15. Let's just get on thing straight. "Mullah" is not "Islam" though every craven, fasadi, piece of garbage Mullah would like to make that association.

    Every time someone speaks up against these useless wannabe priests they equate it speaking against Islam itself.

    Now, regarding Turkey, here are some numbers (SRC: Wikipedia):


    GERMANY:
    Economy: 1st in Europe, 4th in World
    HDI: 0.947 (22nd)
    GDP (Nom): $3.673 trillion
    Per Cap. : $44,729</p>
    TURKEY </p>
    ECONOMY: 15th largest in the world
    HDI: 0.806 (79th)
    GDP(Nom.): $615.329 billion
    Per Cap. : $8,723</p>
    Pakistan: </p>
    Economy: 45th or 27th largest
    HDI: 0.572 or 141st
    GDP(Nom.): $166.515 billion
    Per Cap. : $1,016 </p>

    So much for Turky running around with a begging bowl with it's economy in "shambles".

    And let us not forget the role the despicable mullah's played in keeping the Ottoman forces backwards by declaring everything under the sun "khilaf-e Islam". New navy? Khilaf Islam. New military tactics? Khilaf e Islam. New thinking? Khilaf-e-Islam.

    The Mullah has always equated opposition to his power as "opposition to Islam", and the naive general Muslim populations have always bought this fraud, to their detriment.

    Its the same thing they did 200 years ago, and the **** talib garbage is following the same rule. You oppose me? You oppose Islam. Therefore I KEEEL YOOU!!!!

    Nice.

    And let us not forget the glorious role played by the Wahabbi "Jihadi's" who fought a "jihad" against the "Secular, westernized, Turk Caliph" and helped the British break up the Ottomon Empire. All under the sacred leadership of one "Sheik Lawrence" (Arabia Wali Sarkar)

    Ignorance and Self delusion as they say, is bliss.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 21:17 #
  16. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Although old it is still relevant today.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/khan09272008.html

    An Islamic Perspective
    Meltdown in American Markets
    By LIAQUAT ALI KHAN
    Ali Khan is Professor of Law at Washburn University in Topeka, Kansas.

    Call it the consequences of irresponsible American invasions, call it the irrational exuberance of short sellers, call it the catastrophe of subprime lending, call it the mismanagement of leveraged products, blame it as you may, American markets are facing unprecedented meltdown and doomsayers see little promise in the federal bailout package. Ironically, the Wall Street has noticed that Shariah-compliant investments--which avoid speculative risk and debt-ridden greed--have fared much better in these troubled markets. In the past few years, Shariah-compliant investments in Western markets have grown to more than half a trillion dollars.

    Islamic financing is attracting huge academic curiosity. Many experts participating in the 8th Harvard University Forum on Islamic Finance held this past April wondered if Islamic financing could have prevented the meltdown that American markets are facing primarily due to mortgage debt and mortgage-backed securities—now known as "toxic investments." This legal commentary highlights the two fundamental principles of Islamic financing that I presented at the Forum.

    High Risk Investments

    The Quran prohibits al-Maysir or speculative risk, warning the faithful to avoid games of chance in which the probability of loss in is much higher than the probability of gain (2:219). Shariah-compliant investments, therefore, avoid speculative risk, including interest rate options, naked equity options, futures, derivative and numerous leveraged products purportedly designed to hedge investments. Many of these financial products attract speculators in hopes of making quick money. When trusted fund managers, under institutional pressures to show profit, resort to speculative risk, hedge investments turn into suicidal strategies for financial destruction.

    In pursuit of greed and thrill, straightforward investments in companies engaged in socially useful activity has become unattractive, even boring, because of their presumably lower rate of return—frequently a self-fulfilling prophecy. Billions of dollars are dumped into companies that promise huge profits but produce nothing. While Islam would allow risking investments in socially beneficial research projects, it prohibits investments in companies peddling alcohol, tobacco, pornography, debt, and weapons—products that undermine our health and safety.

    Some investment strategies rampant in the markets are not only morally corrupt but socially harmful. Short sellers, for example, make money when companies collapse and close. Turning the conventional logic of investment on its head, short sellers wish companies to crash rather than prosper for they make most money when companies go bankrupt, workers and employees lose jobs, and pension funds evaporate through declining company stock. Such cynical investments, touted as useful forces that balance the market, are contrary to Islamic law.

    Interest-Bearing Debt

    In addition to prohibiting high risk investments, the Quran also prohibits no risk investments. The prohibition against riba, interest on loans, is strictly forbidden. Islam does not prohibit passive investments. Nor does it prohibit giving interest-free loans. Debt is not contrary to Islamic law. Charging interest is. Although some experts argue that usury, and not interest, is prohibited under Islamic law. Most Muslim scholars agree, however, that interest on loans is contrary to the Shariah.

    Refuting arguments that money has time value or that interest is analogous to profit, the Quran offers a categorical principle that “trade is permitted but interest is not.” (2:275). The prohibition against interest was revealed not only to save the poor from unscrupulous lenders but also to deter investors who demand a set return on their investments and decline to take the risk of engaging in useful trade.

    Contrary to Islamic principles, lending in general and subprime lending in particular was predestined to harm American financial markets for two distinct reasons. First, debt braced with high interest was being extended to persons who simply could not afford to pay back loans. This was usury. Second, the real estate mortgage was no longer a prudent investment decision, since numerous investors were trading in real estate with inflated prices. Investment bankers and other geniuses on Wall Street were securitizing mortgage debts, turning them into interest-bearing securities. These fancy securities began to fail when their underlying assets were foreclosed or deflated. The debt turned deadly and its holders bankrupt.

    Shared Destruction

    Between the prohibited limits of maysir (speculative risk) and riba (no risk), however, Islamic Law permits creativity in financial markets where investors mobilize surplus monies for the production and distribution of halal (Kosher) goods and services. These permissible markets are neither risk-free nor prone to irresponsible risk. Though innovative and authentic, the markets are infused with the values of fairness, transparency, and reasonable profits. They are free of predatory practices that corrupt transactions with greed and inflict hardship on the poor, the elderly, and the novice.

    The federal bailout package that the Bush Administration is selling as a quick cure of all problems will only aggravate the underlying cancer of interest-bearing debt. It is unlikely that the infusion of more money will reform institutions and companies built on layers of interest-bearing debt. When the best and the brightest are engrossed in finding ways to make money with money, and no more, the system may look creative and intelligent but it is geared toward shared destruction.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 21:19 #
  17. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Hey Ghost, You don't have to give fuzzy math numbers. I have been to Turkey and know what is their rotten economy.

    The British again played the divide and rule tactics. They offered "kingdom" to the Sharif Hussain of Makkah and also groomed Ata Turk the domla Jew to be the leader of Turkey. The Allied powers gave "victory" against Greeks to Ata Turk at the end of the WW I to make a hero out of that domla. It has nothing to do with Wahabi. Incidentally it was a term coined by the British to keep the Ummah divided. This all was done through their agent, Lawrence of Arabia. The corrupt Saudis fooled the masses promising a Islamic State but established their own monarchy once Ottomans left. It was all the game plan of British after the dismemberment of Khilafa rightly pointed by Allama Iqbal.

    Utha kar phek di Khilafat ki chob ko Turk e nadaan ne
    Apnoun ki nadaani bhee dekh auroun ki ayyari bhee dekh

    The ignorant Turk threw away the mantle of Khilafa
    Look at ignorance of ours and cunning of others.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 21:32 #
  18. Anwer Kamal
    Member

    Reply is here. Whole truth by H.N.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 22:02 #
  19. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    AK,

    Who is this character HS? I started listening to the video. When he started blaming a dead Muslim as a "lanati" and "Manhoos", I couldn't go further. I stopped right there. Is this the etiquette in a debate? And on top of that someone listening to his filthy language was laughing and enjoying and getting a kick out of that. Please have some respect for the dead and do not post such garbage again.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 22:15 #
  20. Anwer Kamal
    Member

    A dead who is responsible for this all terrorism.
    What else he could be called.
    سردار المنا فقین عبدللہ ابن ابی کی ناجائز باقیات

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 22:29 #
  21. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    AK,

    It is upto you. This is brotherly warning for you to desist from posting such vulgarities or else be prepared for wrath of Allah SBT. It will be swift and severe. OK

    What terrorism? Invent something new. That Zionist coined terminology is now rusty. The ones responsible for all fasad is your masters in West as vividly described by Dr. Muzaffar Iqbal and Dr. Murad Hoffman, new Muslim former German ambassador:

    1) Whatever it was, for now 11 September 2001 stands as a watershed between the low intensity invasion of the so called 3rd world of the post-Soviet era and the present intensive and full scale war that has so far conquered two wretched Muslim countries and subjugated numerous others like Pakistan without a fight.

    Afghanistan was more or less a trial run. Other than the blind fury and raw rage, there was nothing behind the wanton destruction of this ravaged land. Its most significant function proved to be the building of a war engine to provide a magic word for creating the most sinister label in recenthistory: Al-Qaeda.
    Since this word was invented, framed in a context and spun around a story, it has become a magic wand applicable to numerous situations. From Madrid to Bagdad and from Casablanca to Jakarta, anyone who is stuck with this label, stands guilty, ipso facto. No further investigation is needed. The general public is satisfied merely by the application of this label and the accused is lumbered with a verdict of guilty. This is perhaps the most criminal and brazen act of the aggressors, who have used the full force of their media to propagate this label worldwide.

    2) Dr. Murad Hoffman perspective on terrorism encompasses global fasad perpetrated for last 200 years. Don't take the frog in the pond attitude of blaming Muslims for some petty terror that pales into insignificance. Whatever terror is happening in Pakistan is result of that widespread global terror orchestrated by West and their secular agents.

    Let us now take a good look at the record of that marvelous, self-appointed center of rationality, the enlightened Western world. Since the 18th century, in contrast to the high ideals pronounced and exported, what one discovers in terms of actual behavior is highly disturbing: Slave-trading, extermination of native populations, apartheid and colonialism -100's of millions killed; two savage world wars-56 million killed ; Stalinist massacres-29 million killed and the Nazi holocaust-6 million ; ethnic (in reality, religious) cleansing in Bosnia, Chechnya, Kosova and atomic warfare against civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Total half billion killed in those atrocities.

    These disasters were the bloodiest the world has ever seen. But even if Western people were not at war with each other, they have behaved violently against nature: against animals, plants and even minerals-to the point that the destruction of resources and environmental disasters like air pollution threaten the survival of mankind. Add the Gulf of Mexico oil catastrophe.

    None of the bloody excesses I mentioned took place in the Muslim world; and yet the West, in spite of such a record, has the nerve to blame Muslims and ask the rest of the world to follow its example and to deny not only the existence, but also the possibility, of an alternative.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 22:52 #
  22. Anwer Kamal
    Member

    Slave trading is thousands years old thing.
    Our country was used by that Manhoos and lantee for American purposes.MQM, KK , Heroin, terrorists and many more all from this dead.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 23:19 #
  23. zia m
    Member

    "We should define Islam in such a way that it does not undermine its global standing. For this we need educated, pragmatic and rational political and cultural spokespersons. Obviously, people like the Al Qaeda and the Taliban are the worst poster boys for Islam in the modern world.

    But so are sectarian and communal hate-mongers found on TV screens these days across the Muslim world, and the many Muslim preachers doing the same in mosques in the West – ironically cursing and abusing anything to do with the West while at the same time gleefully benefiting from their adopted countries’ democratic and generous welfare systems."

    A very well reasoned article in Dawn.

    http://blog.dawn.com/2010/07/22/the-worst-poster-boys-for-islam/

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jul 2010 23:54 #
  24. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    AK says "Slave trading is thousands years old thing."

    This is what happens if you are ignorant about history. Slave trading is still practiced but the slaves are paying their own tickets to go to Western countries. Even British took slaves less than 80 years back from your ancestors in India as "indentured labor" and used them for slave plantations in Fiji, West Indies, Africa, Guyana. America was build by slaves and it was only "discovered" in 1492. Slavery existed "officially" until 19th century in America.

    AK, Where did you get the 1000 years number?

    And lest you forget, the brown slaves are still around and ruling Pakistan who are still subservient to their ertswhile Masters.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jul 2010 0:14 #
  25. zia m
    Member

    None of the monotheistic religions abolished slavery.
    The credit goes to free thinking heretics.

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jul 2010 1:10 #
  26. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Zia says "None of the monotheistic religions abolished slavery"

    Really?

    Zia, How can you make such blasphemous statement? you have nerve to equate Islam with those so called monotheistic religions that promote slavery? On the contrary, Islam gave freedom to slave 1400 years back. See these 2 short links on slavery before making ridiculous statements attributing slavery to Islam.OK.

    http://www.peacethroughreligion.info/1/post/2010/06/slavery-in-islam-submission.html

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jul 2010 2:00 #
  27. Abdul Rahman
    Member

    Another excellent video by Yusuf Estes, American preacher who embraced Islam.

    http://www.muslimvideo.com/tv/watch/1f484bc931f9a10f34b6/Slavery-in-Islam--by-Yusuf-estes

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jul 2010 2:06 #
  28. zia m
    Member

    It is a blasphemy to deny the verses in Quran and not the other way around.
    Don't get too excited.

    There is already a thread on slavery---

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/right-hands-possess

    Posted 1 year ago on 24 Jul 2010 2:41 #

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