SufiSoul
Member
Your friend is ours.Your enemy is also ours.(China deputy PM).
We want to talk with china regarding Pakistan.(Hilary Clinton).
I think its enough to understand chinese stance against US and in favour of Pakistan.
China has proved practically this time that Pakistan is ours Israel.but we can expect a brutal role like Israelis play,from Pakistan.....
Pakistann Zinda Bad
expakistani
Member
does it make Pakistan secure ? will china share some of his Billions with our people?
Come on Pakistan need to learn how to stand on own feet
siddiqi73
Member
Don't exactly know what Pakistan has to offer to China except for those freaking waters of Arabian Sea. Why the heck would China consider a junglee qom, its jahil and corrupt leaders who would flip back to Uncle Sam in a heartbeat; a valuable asset?
To China, the world including USA is one big and lucrative market for their products which are the basis of it trillions of $'s in reserves and a booming economy. As they say, money talks and bull$hit walks.
SufiSoul
Member
This time role is very unexpected from china.Nobody was expecting this role.
Another thing is that now its clear thats Pakistan recieved assurances from china during last hidden visits of zardari and Pasha and decided to stand against US.
Regarding, Pakistan should develop itself and should stand over its feet,Oppertunity is their and Pakistan should develop itself in every field under kind help of china.
Loosing this oppertunity would be actually very Pathetic.
All i must have to saying Pakistani and chinese security establishments "ROCKS"......
expakistani
Member
Sufi tumhara bhi jawab nhi... jab bhi mohbat ke us ki jo nazar nhi ata....
if Pakistan and Chinese estalblisment was so rocking why the hell we end up in such mess.
SufiSoul
Member
In my opinion china was worrying to engage with strong US and Pak and China were waiting for weaken US.
Time has come and china is the key guarantor of US debt now.
So its right time to ROCK....
kulla
Member
lanat hey esi dosti per...jis mein as a whole muslim ummah ka nuqsaan ho... China is killing muslims and persecuting ughur muslims in xinjiang province, and pakistani interior minister is saying jo china ka enemy hey wo hamara enemy hey.
so muslims who are fighting fr their independence are enemies of pakistan? we are enemies with muslims?
This is no difference from kashmire fighting the indian occupation or palestine fighting the israeli occupation.
the sad part is xinjiang used to independent and autonomous but China betrayed it, and now controls the entire province. It has marginalized the ethenic Ughurs by gradually increasing Hans population in that province, the exact same what israel has done with palestine, by building homes for jews in west bank, and Gaza.
Lanat hey Rehman Malik per and Lanat hey esi dosti per.
bsobaid
Member
At this moment China and Saudia are trying to negotiate a solution and situation will improve shortly. Saudia will persuade Haqqani to move their bases out of Pakistan.
China's only concern is another US base and army presence in
Pakistan and India's further meddling inside Pakistan.
China has adopted a high restraint policy to maintain its growth rate and would not want to engage in confrontational tug of war with Amreeka.
Zardari in past 2 years had been visiting China a lot, to the point of annoying Chinese...o baba maaf karo aur jaan choro but it seems like Zardari had some achievement. PPP and establishment's main goal with China is to have them build military base in Gawadar and given Chinese greater control in Gilgit-Baltistan. China has been reluctant of building military base but it has accepted Zardari and establishment's offer regarding Gilgit-Baltistan.
China is smart and bigger banya than Hindu banya. Thats why it wont show the same generosity when it comes to finances and trade because one, Pakistan is China's biggest competitor in textiles and secondly, it knows about the bad financial management of Pakistan.
SufiSoul
Member
Pakistan is also not controlling groups working against china Yughur non-muslims and despite of chinese crying Pakistan have ignored their call many times.
I mean to say nations relations are always based upon their respective interests.
China is not helping Pakistaan'sn Fee Sabeel Lillah against america.But the reason is china dont want american presence here in Pakistan at any cost.
American technology is capable to counter china while sitting in Pakistan in their military bases....
Feeding non-state actors is the big Asset of Pakistani security establishment and one time more it is proved that they pull down americans to knee with the help of these non-state-actors and Usama and Queta Shura etc..
bsobaid
Member
btw, the idea of "non-state actors" is totally un-islamic...I thought sufi soul would know.
scandinavian
Member
Don't get over excited about the role of China. The first issue we need solve is self respect. We don't respect ourselves and expect others to do so. We should stop this emotional talk i.e. banduq doosroN key kandoN par chalana. We must learn to stand on our own feet first, then we can try to make alliances with friendly nations, and USA is certainly NOT a friendly state, but they will learn to accept us if we behave!
SufiSoul
Member
When alcohol gets islamic to save one.How NSAs gets unislamic to save billions of people's neck against US........
:)
Agreed Scandinavian
We should learn to stand our own feet..
Dusky
Member
Their are no permanent friends and no permanent enemies in politics, all boils down to interest countries pursue.
Mujahidin and Pakistani establishment were American ally till they were fighting against Russians, same mujahadins are American enemy since they are fighting against American interest in region.
So this notion we are "Israel" of China is idiotic to begin with. China will not do any different with us then U.S. ones their purpose is served.
Israel to US is a totally different ball game. Jews pretty much control the American economy, they are power brokers in U.S. government, control the money flow for senate/congress candidates through donations, run the biggest political lobby group(s) in U.S., exploit the religious history to maintain their ties with fundamentalist christian, and the list goes on...
So question is, what we have in common with "Israel" to become the "Israel" of China??
Wake-up, smell the folgers folks. This notion that we are some super power b!tch is not going to take us anywhere.
kulla
Member
agree with dusky.
truths
Member
what will do china when pakistani nation leaders are own enemy we always vote us show polishers
no one change us
We should not and must not be any one's b!tch.
We should stand on our two feet and stop looking for foreign crutches.
FJ
banjarbayabaan
Members
No body will come to fight for us. We need to make our own policy. This country can survive without any foreign aid.
China is our strategic partner.
somehow its China's strategic stand too, to have its friendship intact with Pakistan,as in the region.
otherwise, we haven't done anything for china.
Pak china friendship is only 'give and give'.china isn't taking anything from us.
but i agree with FJ Pak,that we should find out our own ways to come out from the bad timings,instead of looking at China and Saudia all the time.
SufiSoul
Member
New policies and establishing new system and new leadership is the need of the day.
We have plenty of resources to manage and pushing the nation towards prosperity and development.
Again we have the oppertunity to get some professional hands experience and chinese world repotation.
But i doubt that we will fail to exploit this oppertunity if we are not establishing our system to cope with the future oppertunities.
I am sure now that our present day leadership are well aware that Pakistan is Majboori of many Powers so we need nothing to do for our survival.
The reason is that Saidis,chinese,UAE etc like it or not have to help Pakistan when it goes into crises.So our rulers nothing have to do in delivering better life standards to common people.
They are and will busy in transferring National resources to their own Pockets untill common did not rise up for their rights....
spruce
Member
Pakistan's interior minister Tuesday vowed to attack Chinese militants hiding out in his country's tribal regions, saying China's enemies were also Islamabad's.
Rehman Malik made the strong show of support for Beijing after a meeting with visiting Chinese Public Security Minister Meng Jianzhu.
The trip comes as Pakistan's ties with the United States have soured over allegations that Islamabad supports Afghan insurgents that are also based in Pakistan's tribal regions. Some Pakistani officials hope that China can fill any diplomatic and economic void if Washington decides to sever or downgrade ties with Islamabad.
Muslim militants from China's western Xinjiang are known to be training and fighting on the Pakistan side of the Afghan border, along with al-Qaida and other international extremist networks. They have claimed attacks in China and issued statements threatening Beijing.
"We will strike very hard against them," Malik said. "Anybody who is the enemy of China is the enemy of Pakistan."
It remains unclear how Pakistan will do this. Most of the militants are believed to be in the North Waziristan tribal area. Pakistan's army has a presence there, but so far has not touched the several thousand militants there.
The U.S. has persistently asked Islamabad to move against militants in North Waziristan, but it has refused to do so.
Malik said Sunday Islamabad had killed or extradited several Chinese militants, but didn't say when or from where.
May I point out a small matter. China comes visiting Pakistan and straightaway the tone in the US media changes. We have the Washington Post producing an article entitled: Adm. Mullen's words on Pakistan come under scrutiny. We have a Gareth Porter writing something called: US knows pressure on Pakistan won't change policy. And no doubt there are many other similar titles to be found in today's papers which I can't mention since, as a matter of principle, I stay far away from west MSM.
Also, Pak has suddenly also mounted a counter-attack, boldly accusing the CIA of using **** Fever as a bioweapon.
All this and more thanks to the China visit. Upto you now to decide who is allied with whom and why.
Hussain Farooqui
Member
Definitely, it is mostly a matter of interest that a country supports or opposes another country. There is rarely any love affair in the international relations.
SufiSoul
Member
CIA is blamed for fever weapon that is very strict approach really.
Today americans are more polite and mallen has been declared as scape goat for all this media hype.I think behind all this is chinese stance against US threats and US is now playing backfoot.
This time i must say it again that present day strategy is Pak-China joint venture.
pakistan gave relaxation to chinese by sayings of the rehman malik that "Pakistan will wipe out militants working against the interests of china."
situation is very clear that Pakistan will use weapon of non-state actors even against china if it is needed.And non-state actors are the bargaining point against every power, pak would like to sqeeze at any time..
So the policy of feeding non-state actors will continue even in 22nd century also....:)
scandinavian
Member
@Sufi
We need to get our acts together and put every institution in the rightful place! Only that way Pakistan will function and only that way other countries will take us seriously.
"This time i must say it again that present day strategy is Pak-China joint venture."
Right, and what about approaching Russia?
I would prefer some kind of alliance with China, Russia, Iran and Turkey.
SufiSoul
Member
American political establishment and security establishment today divided themselves against pro and anti Pak stances.Security establishment will show us stick and carrot by political one.
scandinivian,
I agree to you.
Mismanagement will lead us no where and we should insist over prosperity of the nation.
GOD had given us opportunities and strategic position to exploit and collect gains.But am afraid our ruling elite will continue with the same.
Switching towards Russia would be difficult rest of the hidden coalition i think already exists.
Dusky
Member
The cat is finally out of the bag....
here goes the brotherly.. oops I mean chines love...
China seeking military bases in Fata or N-Areas
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=9842&Cat=13
@Dusky
Now even China is sick and tired of cross border terrorism which has bases in our tribal areas. What a shame!
Wwhole world is questioning and pointing fingers at us that our tribal areas have become safe heaven/breeding ground for AlQaeda/Taliban and other terrorists. Pakistan enjoys good relations with China and angering them would not be a good idea.
In my view, Pak Govt/Army should allow China to set up military bases in our tribal areas to fight growing threats of taliban-like terrorism. Terrorism is an international problem and terorists do not have any nationality or religion. Due to comples nature of this problem, pakistan cannot fight on its own, so it is a good idea to use and share combined resources of other countries to win war against terrorism.
Aadmi
Member
For those who feel the Chinese government is persecuting innocent Muslims in the western Chinese Muslim majority province of Xinjiang, I suggest paying a visit to the provincial capital Urumqi. Urumqi is at least 20-30 years ahead of Karachi in terms of development. People roam around streets enjoying street-food (turkish kebabs), well after midnight without any fear of being mugged.
East of Chinese Xinjiang lies KYRGYZSTAN and TAJIKISTAN. Two countries consisting of Turkic races similar to the Ughyr Muslims in Chinese Xinjiang. Both countries are the poorest amongst central Asian states, corruption is rampant with few developmental projects.
Though both countries share borders with Chinese Xinjiang province, they are decades apart in terms of social and economic stability.
The only reason for Xinjiang's development is the Chinese governments dedication to their country's prosperity.
Yes Chinese government does crush separatist movements be they from Taiwanese Chinese or Xinjiang Muslims, because turmoil affects development and their primary concern is the financial well being of their citizens. I'd suggest Xinjiang Muslims to come and visit Pakistan, maybe then they'd start appreciating what good hands their governments in.
Dusky
Member
@Sweettruth:
What?? you did not get the memo???
Bhai mara.... we are the chosen one, torch bearers of Islam in the world...
agar yah souta FATA sa sookh jayain gaya, to Islam khatra main ajjay ga....
@Dusky
Due to these extremist elements, Pakistan is humiliating worldwide. Even close friends like China are worried about cross border terrorism of such elements. FATA was a peaceful region and then Taliban came to this area and since then it has become epicentre of terrorist activities.
May God destroy all talibans and their followers
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