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pakistan ka matlab kia...ghora..!

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  1. jaypk
    Member

    i bet this is an ahmadiyya presentation...but whdeva is in this video is enough fr all of us to be ashamed of..!

    Posted 1 year ago on 08 Jan 2011 22:27 #

  2. shafiq12
    member

    jay pak

    Ahmedies believe an alchohal drinker as Prophet/Nabi/Promissed Missah etc which is violation of this verse of Quran

    (all kinds of alcoholic drinks), gambling, Al­Ansab , and Al­Azlam (arrows for seeking luck or decision) are an abomination of Shaitan's (Satan) handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successful .

    Shaitan (Satan) wants only to excite enmity and hatred between you with intoxicants (alcoholic drinks) and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah and from As-Salat (the prayer). So, will you not then abstain?

    And obey Allah and the Messenger Muhammad (SAW)
    and beware (of even coming near to drinking or gambling or Al­Ansab, or Al­Azlam, etc.) and fear Allah.

    Then if you turn away, you should know that it is Our Messenger's duty to convey (the Message) in the clearest way.

    "Quran"- 5..Surah Al-Ma'idah .

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jan 2011 9:26 #

  3. shafiq12
    member

    jay pak

    Do u honestly think that a Missah can violate the ayat of Quran to keep his desires over and above quran.

    Do u believe a messenger of Islam and Quran can violate Quran.

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jan 2011 9:28 #

  4. jaypk
    Member

    ok...so supersoldier is here..

    firstly its jaypk...nt jaypak..

    then...Ahmedies believe an alchohal drinker as Prophet/Nabi/Promissed Missah etc which is violation of this verse of Quran

    whd is this all abt? i dint understand...?? .so thr head is or was a drinker.....so??? they are kafir right...whd problem do you have thn..?

    besides...my point was to think and ponder abt our own firqas and sects...whdeva is happening in this video...u dint bother pointing this out...if a qadyani would ask us this question..tht why we are doing sajda to tahir ul qadri...whds the answer to tht...if our shiya baradari is saying tht this pakistan is becasue of a ghora so sajda a ghora...whd do we have to say abt this...how can we justify the dhammal and throwing money on ppl in an urs...apnay islam ko to bacha lo pehlay..jo kafir ho gaye ..so ho gaye...ab apna haal bhee to daikh lo bhai...

    forget ahamdis...they are declared kafir..dnt worry abt them..we have done the hard work....i guess the only one who has been declared...so dnt worry abt them and serve your intellect on answering whd are we doin?

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jan 2011 14:38 #

  5. shafiq12
    member

    jaypk

    u r ahmedie, doesn't make any sense, those who think that gora is pakistan, those who do sijda in front of Qadri, they are deviated from true path i.e Islam.

    Do u follow sects or Islam,

    please answer these question.
    do u believe that Quran has perfect guidance, Do u believe that Muhammad (pbuh) is best prophet of Allah. The way preached by Prophet muhammad is best way?

    If u answer these question

    Thay why u looking at other sects, other people to gain what.

    Posted 1 year ago on 09 Jan 2011 14:59 #

  6. jaypk
    Member

    supersoldier....y do you look at other sects thn..i see you being active in every thread which is abt sectarianism...i hardly see you on any thread which is beyond sectarianism....forget me...i think i gave you one reply in another thread...i guess you didnt read it properly..!

    i dont know whd are you talking abt..let me re phrase..

    tell me the meaning of this..

    Ahmedies believe an alchohal drinker as Prophet/Nabi/Promissed Missah etc which is violation of this verse of Quran..????

    so??...y do you write this line..?? this thread is abt the miseries of sects in islam...nt abt ahmadies...but somehow you dragged this qadyani crap into this....!!

    you havent answered my questions first..so i m nt answering yours....!!

    @SS..those who think that gora is pakistan, those who do sijda in front of Qadri, they are deviated from true path i.e Islam.....you know how big they are in numbers in pakistan...and you are saying all of them are deviated from the true path....so they are nt muslims or are they??

    @SS...Do u follow sects or Islam

    ohhh...bravo..you are a genius man...sects and islam dnt come together.....so whds the fight for..?

    Posted 1 year ago on 12 Jan 2011 17:18 #

  7. shafiq12
    member

    jaypk

    The maker of this video showed himself qadiani. It's old hyena tactics by Qadianis they use media, Now if he is really in search of truth the truth lies in the books of Mirza Ghulam and books mirza ghulam thousand of times proved it that he was biggest liar (sorry i have to speak truth)

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jan 2011 8:38 #

  8. hkbajwa
    Member

    SS

    You are merely parrotting the rumor and propaganda that you have picked up from avowedly anti-ahmedi sites.

    You want to prove something wrong/?? Then do it by finding it on the ahmedi website which is the only website that represents the belief of this sect.

    You have till this day never taken the trouble to actually figure out what ahmedis believe. How then can you claim to judge their belief right or wrong??

    TO me it really doesn;t matter whether you think one thing or the other. but if you are going to condemn something, then condemn what they ACTUALLY believe, and not what OTHER PEOPLE say they believe.

    Intellectual honesty SS... you should try it

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jan 2011 10:07 #

  9. shafiq12
    member

    bajwa

    ok can u please tell whether Mirza Ghulam was an Alchohol drinker or not?. Why should believe in him, Can u give any good reason. Why i believe in the word of heavy drinker

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jan 2011 10:55 #

  10. shafiq12
    member

    bajwa

    please read first ten line

    http://www.alislam.org/introduction/index.html

    Ahmadiyya Muslim Community believes that God sent Ahmad(as), like Jesus(as), to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice and peace. Ahmad’s(as) advent has brought about an unprecedented era of Islamic revival

    That must be kidding, if that is true than what about World war I and World war II. Why the world is still suffering. One part is rich and other is Poor even People in the world don't know where is missah. People are dying with their faith as Jesus as God, There are billion of Christian who even don't know who is Mirza Ghulam.

    Do u think that God is unjust

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jan 2011 11:02 #

  11. hkbajwa
    Member

    @ SS

    I have never implied you should believe anything in particular. That's your own problem. I have only ever said that you have no right to judge or condemn the belief of others (funny thing is that the Quran says the same)

    As far as i have experienced in my whole life growing up in an ahmedi family, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed never drank, did not encourage drinking, nor condone it. If he did, then his followers would not be shunning alcohol the way they do.

    Did you know that members of the ahmedi jamaat are specifically prohibited from selling alcohol in their business or indeed even work a job where they sell alcohol? Pretty weird for a sect that apparently follows a "drunkard".

    And your "point" that since all misery hasn't already been eliminated from the world thus Mirza Ghulam Ahmed must necessarily be a liar... i mean what can i say?? Other than the fact that even after Allah sent the Prophet (pbuh) the greatest of all His messengers, the Seal of the Prophets and the most exceptional of human beings in history STILL there was misery in the world and STILL the entire world is not muslim.

    Basically so what?? This is no argument.

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jan 2011 11:28 #

  12. shafiq12
    member

    I have only ever said that you have no right to judge or condemn the belief of others (funny thing is that the Quran says the same)

    Bajwa i have no right but what i have right is tell them truth. Are u agree?. If that is case what u r talking that it means Prophet (PBUH) did a wrong thing by breaking 360 idols in Makkah (See history). As it is directly related to their faith. Bajwa it means a man who is bathing in sh!t of cow thinking it as holly. U need not to tell him because it is related to their belief. Do u think it as reasonable.

    Bajwa u said=

    ....If he did.......,

    A thing which is prohibbeted in quran. Do u really think that Missah can broke the laws and order of Quran.If his follower dont' than does it mean we are following the the followers not the man who is Missah

    Basically so what?? This is no argument.

    The prophet(pbuh) don't directly related to their faith. As they don't believe in Prophet (PBUH). But what i am talking is that they are awaiting for Jesus which is directly related to their faith and Jesus died in Qadian.

    Are u playing with God (Does it makes any sense)

    Posted 1 year ago on 18 Jan 2011 11:42 #

  13. hkbajwa
    Member

    @ SS

    It is one thing to guide the misguided, and quite another to attack, condemn, oppress and discriminate against them.

    Does the Quran not extort muslims to respect the god(s), prophets and spiritual leaders of others?? And that too irrespective of what the others are saying/doing??

    You have every right to tell people the truth (as you perceive it). Nobody is preventing you from doing that.

    However if your truth is not accepted, you still do not have any right to attack, malign or discriminate against those who do not follow your truth.

    I do NOT believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was an alcoholic. I was pointing out to you that it seems pretty weird that the community that follows him is staunchly anti-alcohol. Would that be the case if the accusations of alcoholism were true?? Understand the question please. THe charge of alcoholism is just another of the long line of fraudulent accusations levelled agianst him by avowedly anti-ahmedi extremists.

    And i am still not understanding your last point about christians not being aware of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed... What are you trying to say?

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jan 2011 8:14 #

  14. shafiq12
    member

    bajwa

    I agree with ur points as u said=

    However if your truth is not accepted, you still do not have any right to attack, malign or discriminate against those who do not follow your truth.

    No one has right. But if the books itself malign rights. I am talking about the books of Mirza Ghulam. They are maligning the right of people. That's why u think people attack on Qadiyanis. Mirza Ghulam some of his authentic books abusing his opponents. When i give reference to Qadiani's Look that this is ur books speaking. It doesn't mean that I am attacking on their religion. I am giving them a reason to think again and again. As u called it "Age of Reason". u can't call it attack,

    Suppose i give u verse of Bible which shows that Jesus is Sinner. Man it's Bible what is saying not I. So u have to accept it or u have to reject it. Now the problem with Qadianis is that they neither accept it not they reject it. They say that these are from some Propganada Site. When i asked them to purchase the books of Mirza Ghulam from Store and look at the references they Run. They are just worshiping their personal ego.

    And i am still not understanding your last point about christians not being aware of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed... What are you trying to say?

    Last point is that I am saying they Don't believe in Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Since Beginning. But they believe in Jesus (PBUH) and according to ur source Jesus died (i mean Mirza Ghulam). Now point is that Million are still dying in name of Jesus thinking him as God and Mirza Ghulam (Jesus) had died. Do u think God is playing with his children. Do u think God is unjust.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jan 2011 8:51 #

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